posted April 12, 2018 08:56 PM            

However, the more I thought about the interpretations of asteroid Lucifer I felt the need to provide some (hopefully) valuable insight.

Most interpretations reference Lucifer as a "fallen angel" or point to mythology.

The etymology of the word Lucifer comes from Latin and was first translated into the Bible during Old/Middle English, and it originally meant:
"morning star, Venus in the morning sky before sunrise,"

From Google:
Old English, from Latin, ‘light-bringing, morning star,’ and "the planet Venus when it rises in the morning."

If you reference the passage in the Old Testament from Isaiah 14:12 using the Tanakh prior to the Old/Middle English translation you find:

"How art thou fallen from heaven, O day-star, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, That didst cast lots over the nations!"

Morning star or day star being Venus. Venus is seen in the morning during the Spring and Summer and is seen at night during Fall and Winter. (This is why the Freemasons "go dark" during the Spring/Summer and "go light" during the Fall/Winter.)

I know people will want to argue this. But it really is hard to argue with etymology prior to the Old/Middle English translations of the Bible and someone in history, a priest/preacher, connecting the word "Lucifer" to Satan (a different debate).

Here's my main thing - I believe it is possible that "Lucifer" in astrology should be interpreted as another Venus rather than as God's adversary (Satan)?

I personally have Lucifer conjunct a planet, and I have no problem with it. However, the knowledge of what Lucifer really is pushed me to offer this information.

Just figured it would be an interesting debate if we can keep it civil, and just in time for Friday the 13th... another important Masonic date.

Cheers!

posted April 13, 2018 07:19 PM            

I have Lucifer conjunct Mercury, Karma, and my Anti-Vertex.

Depending on the interpretation you choose to take with Lucifer, I think Lucifer conjunct Angel could be a good thing.

Since I don't 100% hold to the myth that Lucifer = satan (God's adversary), Lucifer in truth being Venus or a light-bringer should be very beneficial when conjunct Angel.

I also question the use of the term Angel. Etymology of "Angel" doesn't mean a winged being with a halo - that's a very narrow view of the word given it's origin. It stems from Greek and means "messenger," as in "messenger from God."

I would almost say, and don't hold me to this, that Lucifer conj. Angel means you are a messenger of love and light.

/Edit: I think I misinterpreted your original message.

Angel conj. Eros still means a messenger of love.

posted April 13, 2018 09:43 PM            

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Originally posted by MoonMystic:
I have Lucifer cnj Iris 0°
Which may be similar to the
Lucifer/Angel cnj.

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MoonMystic:

posted April 14, 2018 01:02 PM            

Kaali is power that can be used for good or bad but with Ixion there the chances that it will be used for bad increases. But then you have Saturn conjunct Astraea the goddess of justice trining Kaali conjunct Ixion so if that power is used for bad that person will suffer the consequences and will be held accountable by karma and or the law, there will be justice. The corruption of power or violation will not go unnoticed. Lucifer will punish the wrong doer.

In this sense asteroid Lucifer could be the person doing the punishing or possibly the person who is going to hell for abusing their power. I get more of the energy of Lucifer been an asteroid about justice though!

With Angel sextile Dejanira and trine Nessus while Dejanira and Nessus are opposing each other it adds again this protective factor like Saturn conjunct Astraea is doing to Kaali conjunct Ixion. Angel is watching Nessus and Dejanira, he is keeping an eye and trying to protect Dejanira and if he is not able to there will consequences (Saturn).

My conclusion is that Lucifer is a good asteroid in line with his role to provide justice against wrongdoings, people who abuse their power in some way.

Since I have it opposing Eros conjunct Angel, I will share how I feel it plays out with me. I see sex as very sacred and one thing I find super triggering that brings out the killer side of me is the idea of a group of men rapping a woman even and specially if she is a prostitute. The fact that you think is ok to do that to anyone specially a prostitute makes me genuinely feel they should all die instantly bc that is the lowest kind of scum in my mind, like wrath comes out of my eyes when I think of that, is like the inner Lucifer in me comes out and wants immediate justice to happen to this wrong doing and in my mind justice for that is death, you should not have the privilege to live IMO if you are capable of doing that, like seriously F you. I said that to someone in person last weekend and they asked me if that happened to me I guess bc of the passion I said it with, I have never been raped let alone by a group of men and it better not happen bc I would probably try to kill them lol. I think something does protect me strongly in this regard.

Example: Someone was psychologically abusing me as a child (pool guy) intimidating me about hurting my mom, he might have been grooming me, anyways my neighbor caught him talking to me once and fired him, she noticed I had not been going to the pool lately and said he is fired and I can start coming again. She was like an ANGEL, she was my Lucifer, I will always be grateful to her. One time he had a knife on his hand and was gesturing self-harm while smiling and talking about how he likes to self-harm. That is my creepiest memory of him.

posted April 14, 2018 02:07 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
Pallas and Pluto with very little Saturn for rape.

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posted April 14, 2018 02:27 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Interesting I have my chart ruler Pluto in Libra at 28d13 conjunct Astraea in Libra at 29d40 falling on Lucifer's Kaali conjunct Ixion.

^This reinforces how Lucifer manifests in me in the context of creating justice.

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posted April 14, 2018 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by arcturus90:
what do you mean by "lucifer's kaali", please ?

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Look at Lucifer's Discovery chart above that I posted, it has kaali conjunct Ixion in the late degrees of libra trine Saturn conjunct Astraea (goddess of justice).

posted April 14, 2018 02:34 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Huh? What are you saying? There are a lot of different views out there on Pallas, a lot. I have not checked Pallas discovery chart yet so I have not formulated an opinion on pallas but I have no idea what you are talking about, oh you mean my chart? like the chances of rape are low.

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posted April 14, 2018 02:56 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Look at Lucifer's Discovery chart above that I posted, it has kaali conjunct Ixion in the late degrees of libra trine Saturn conjunct Astraea (goddess of justice).

My pluto and astraea conjunct that in Lucifer's discovery chart.

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posted April 14, 2018 03:04 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
Scroll down until you get to the rapists: http://zot.net/criminalastrology.htm

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Ok Lucifer's Discovery chart has Pluto square Pallas. I don't know how valid this research is, it is a theory, the sample is not large but definitely worth considering and there could be something to it. Thanks for sharing.

With this addition to the discovery chart and its possible implications I would revert back to my original interpretation that Lucifer could be the person doing the punishing who feels passionate about justice or possibly the person who is going to hell for abusing their power. Lucifer could go either way perhaps but what I feel is clear is that regardless of how the energy manifests, the side of lucifer that punishes wrongdoings (saturn conjunct astraea) or the side of lucifer that abuses its power (kaali conjunct ixion), I feel with this asteroid there is justice at the end.

posted April 14, 2018 03:05 PM            

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Originally posted by arcturus90:
Ah okay, I wasn't sure you were talking about the discovery chart. thanks

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posted April 14, 2018 03:20 PM            

Exactly!

I think we need to be concerned with at least two waves:

The primary wave would be the direct application to the position of the object to the natal in tropical and/or draconian. Such as, the discovery location itself relative to the angles of our other objects (frequency). The primary wave is strongest.

The secondary wave would consist of lower energy and represents an indirect level. Such as my Kaali being on Lucifer's NN. It is like a fractal wave with lower magnitude, likely at a Fibonacci interval.

posted April 14, 2018 03:31 PM            

Here is Yeshuhua (inside) and Lucifer (outside) to at least show:

(1) Yeshuhua's Pallas is on Lucifer's Lilith.

(2) Yeshuhua's Gabriel is on Lucifer's Sun.

(3) Yeshuhua's NN is on Lucifer's "fallen" Venus.

(4) Yeshuhua's SN is on Lucifer's Gabriel.

(5) Yeshuhua's Michael is on Lucifer's NN.