posted April 17, 2018 11:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Mkya00:
It might explain why Secret seems to enjoy "attacking" me too. We are opposites.

My ASC is 16deg Aquarius
My Dejanira is 20deg Aquarius (1st House) ... lovely interpretation of that asteroid in 1st house
My Truth/Sun/Jupiter are conjunct in Aquarius at 22/23/24 degrees, respectively.

His Lie conj. Lucifer is interesting. It's like he is lying about the Light-bringer.

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Interesting. Yes I have been curious about your aspects too to make sense of our dynamics on this thread .

-Your AC squares exact my AC/DC axis (scorpio riser).

-Your Sun conjunct Jupiter opposes my Venus conjunct Mars in Leo at 23d and 24d. That could explain the love and hate thing, "I adore you/I want to strangle you" lol JK.

-My valentine in Leo at 18d conjuncts your DC

-My Lilith (h21) in Aquarius at 16d falls on your AC, so my Priapus falls on your DC

-My Ceres in Aquarius at 14d21 falls on your AC

-My Pandora in Leo at 13d21 conjuncts your DC

-My Kaali in scorpio at 15d05 on your MC

posted April 17, 2018 11:40 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
I think you were earlier referring to Antares, the fixed star, being conjunct Lucifer's Dejanira along with asteroid Truth. If so, what reference do you have that makes you think Antares can be good for Dejanira, or Truth for that matter. I just checked this link out for Antares:
http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Antares.html

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Antares is a force to be reckon with, it will make it so Dejanira fights back to get the truth out and fight for justice. Antares is not just going to take it and be a victim.

The Ebertins say “Antares makes people tough, belligerent and pugnacious. This is an important star for military personnel, it is said to convey mental alertness, strategic ability and courage to make daredevils” [3.]

^^that fits well in a situation were abuse/corruption took place and dejanira fights back for the truth to come out and justice to be done.

posted April 17, 2018 11:47 PM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
In regards to Antares being on Lucifer's Dejanira, that can't be encouraging. I think that could make matters worse not improve them.

"According to tradition, Antares is of violent character and is credited with being significant for a violent death, either in battle or by process of law."
http://www.constellationsofwords.com/stars/Antares.html

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posted April 17, 2018 11:52 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Antares is a force to be reckon with, it will make it so Dejanira fights back to get the truth out and fight for justice. Antares is not just going to take it and be a victim.

The Ebertins say “Antares makes people tough, belligerent and pugnacious. This is an important star for military personnel, it is said to convey mental alertness, strategic ability and courage to make daredevils” [3.]

^^that fits well in a situation were abuse/corruption took place and dejanira fights back for the truth to come out and justice to be done.

Pugnacious: eager or quick to argue, quarrel, or fight."the increasingly pugnacious demeanor of politicians"
synonyms: `combative, aggressive, antagonistic, belligerent, bellicose, warlike, quarrelsome, argumentative, contentious, disputatious, hostile, threatening, truculent;

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posted April 18, 2018 12:01 AM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
That sounds like it could speed up death not slow it down.

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Angel is sextile Antares conjunct Dejanira and Truth protecting Dejanira, Antares in this case will make Dejanira strong and give her the passion and drive to fight for justice and get the truth out.

I hope you don't take offense but you are not open at all to my point and at this point I don't want to keep debating this, bc I don't like wasting my time. Lets agree to disagree on this.

posted April 18, 2018 01:28 AM            

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Originally posted by SecretGeek:
No problem with disagreeing from me.

There is such a thing as angels assigned to do negative tasks relative to humans. If you need references, I can provide them.

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No thanks, I am not interested in your religion and its teachings.

posted April 18, 2018 08:55 AM            

"15 Degrees of Leo is one of the worst degrees in the zodiac, either natally or in prediction. Prominent in the charts of serial killers, felons serving life sentences, in the charts of those who have fated hard luck, etc. Helen Keller, both blind and deaf from a very early age had her chart co-ruler Mars at 15 degrees of Leo, along with no air signs. [Air signs are communication]. Stevie Wonder [blind] Pluto at 15 degrees of Leo, Ludwig van Beethoven, deaf, Saturn at 15 degrees of Leo."
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/Degrees.html

In Helio Sidereal mode, Lucifer's Achilles, Lucifer's Mars, and Lucifer's Lie are conjunct. Maybe that is why my asteroid Lie is conjunct my asteroid Lucifer to show Lucifer could be the father of lies.

posted April 18, 2018 09:10 AM            

"Lachesis is a genus of pit vipers sometimes called bushmasters. It includes the largest venomous snake in the Western Hemisphere."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lachesis

"Astrologically, Lachesis is a marker of death and termination, and “the span of life”, i.e., the duration of a person, organization, project, endeavor, etc." http://alexasteroidastrology.com/lachesis/

Asteroid Lucifer to show Lie and Lachesis conjunct:

posted April 18, 2018 10:16 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
Anyways I have a new understanding of my natal Eros conjunct Angel opposite Lucifer.

I love Lucifer and have the hots for him (Eros/Erotic Love) and I am very protective of him (Angel). I attract Lucifer types, I tend to meet them during a crisis and provide support *(husband, ex-lover).

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Interesting point about meeting Lucifer types during a crisis.

Hypatia, are you a Plutonian person?

My MC is 4 deg. Sagittarius

My Moon is 6 deg Scorpio conj. Isis/Nymphe/Quaoar/Angel 8th house

My Pluto Libra conj. Valentine/Lust 8th house

posted April 18, 2018 11:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Mkya00:
Interesting point about meeting Lucifer types during a crisis.

Hypatia, are you a Plutonian person?

My MC is 4 deg. Sagittarius

My Moon is 6 deg Scorpio conj. Isis/Nymphe/Quaoar/Angel 8th house

My Pluto Libra conj. Valentine/Lust 8th house

"Darker" and sometimes deeper personality people tend to be drawn to me. I would classify the ones that stick around in my life as abusers or corrupters. Many I've found recently have prominent Lie, Swindle or both.

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I have Jupiter conjunct Uranus in the 1H in Sagittarius at 5d on your MC.

I have saturn in scorpio conjunct DNA exact at 2d, my saturn also conjuncts adonis, tyche and Geisha.

Your moon quintiles my venus and mars in Leo 23d51 & 24d44

Wow that is a nice aspect pluto/valentine/Lust in the 8th! I had pluto conjunct valentine in composite with the person I have fallen for the hardest in my life so far

Lovely moon aspects you have!

Am I the plutonic type?.... Neptune in Sag at the GC is my strongest planet, it squares my Sun opposite Moon forming a tsquare with Neptune at the apex but Pluto in the 12th (neptunian pluto) is my chart ruler and aspects everything in my chart:

Scorpio rising
Sun semisextile exact Pluto
Moon biquintile Pluto (part of golden yod with chiron)
Mercury parallel and novile pluto
Venus sextile Pluto
Mars Sextile Pluto
Jupiter Decile Pluto
Uranus Decile Pluto
Saturn in scorpio conjunct Pluto in Libra
Neptune sextile Pluto
Pluto septile Southnode

You can definitely sense my moon in pisces, venus and mars in leo and sag influence though.

SORRY to hear you attract types like that, I tend to attract honest guys. I think it could be the Lucifer opposing my eros which saturn squares. Chiron trines and sextiles eros/angel opposite lucifer.

posted April 19, 2018 08:18 AM            

Previously, I showed Lucifer's Achilles heel, specifically Lucifer's Achilles conjunct Lucifer's Lie in Helio Sidereal mode, meaning at least one weak point of Lucifer could be deception. This theme could be corroborated by Lucifer's Truth being on Lucifer's Dejanira in Tropical mode, meaning one of Lucifer's vulnerabilities could be truth. In order to make a connection of Lucifer to Satan, whom was supposedly the father of all lies, I now inspect Pinocchio relative to Lucifer. In the following quote, I find the "denial" and "self-delusion" traits to resonate:

"Astrologically, asteroid Pinocchio signifies the telling of lies, especially transparent ones; rumor mongering; scoffing; the creation of legends; denial; and self-delusion, and also finding one's true purpose in life or what makes one more successful or distinguished than one's previous pursuits were doing, finding one's own voice, reclaiming one's life, taking control of one's life, possibly coming to or coming back to life, in either the literal or metaphorical sense." http://markandrewholmes.com/pinocchio.html

As you can see, Lucifer (inside) and Pinocchio (outside) both have their Lies on each other. If 15 degrees Leo is the worst degree in the zodiac (see earlier post), then both of these placements could reinforce a derogatory main theme of their characters.

Here is Pinocchio by itself. Pinocchio is a Libra, with a Leo NN on my Lucifer's Lie and my Lucifer's Lucifer, and a discovery location in Aries. It is very interesting Pinocchio's Pinocchio is on Pinocchio's Dejanira. It is even more interesting that my Pinocchio is on Pinocchio's Lucifer, further reinforcing my ability to spot deception!

posted April 19, 2018 11:43 AM            

At the end of the day I trust my own my judgement, my own instincts and my own personal observations on how it has played out in the lives of people I know and my clients.

posted April 19, 2018 12:48 PM            

A sculpture in Venice of the Angel of Death:

Here is Angel (inside) and Lucifer (outside) in Helio Sidereal mode to show the Star of David formation in synastry (more rare). There is also a Kite formation directing the energy from the apex to Lucifer's Achilles and Lucifer's Lie.

posted April 19, 2018 05:43 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:

Am I the plutonic type?.... Neptune in Sag at the GC is my strongest planet, it squares my Sun opposite Moon forming a tsquare with Neptune at the apex but Pluto in the 12th (neptunian pluto) is my chart ruler and aspects everything in my chart:

What is lie doing in your chart? does it aspect your 7th house ruler by any chance?

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My Lie is 27deg 32min Pisces in my 1st house. It does oppose my Name(retrograde) + Meta (retrograde) in my 7th House. It is an out-of-sign opposition but opposition nonetheless.

I always get the rulership stuff mixed up. 7th is Ruled by Libra, but my DSC/7th is Leo. My Name is in Libra while Meta is conj. in Virgo, both in 7th house.

NOW...

Your Neptune explains a bit.

I have NN Sag conj. GC by 49 min.
My NN is also conj Spirit and Arthur
My GC is conj. Guinevere

...of course my GC/NN sextiles my Truth/Sun/Jupiter combo.

I am a male with female energy (Moon + Isis/Nymphe/Angel/Quaoar) trine Saturn conj. Magdalene + Compassion and my Moon Trines Mercury conj. Karma/Lucifer

My Moon+asteroids trines asteroid Yeshuhua by less than 3 degrees.

But, reading Ami Anne's recent comments in Brown Owl School about Saturn obsessively actualizing what it touches - Magdalene and Compassion.

Why do you think I'm so interested in the true nature of the Sacred Feminine?

I was raised by a lesbian (back when being gay wasn't cool, not that is completely accepted), which is why I ignored SecretGreek's post trying to bait me about Goddess "Dike." It's also why I agreed with him about the Sacred Feminine being genderless.

posted April 20, 2018 08:43 AM            

At this stage, I think all can agree that one of asteroid Lucifer's weak points is deception. I think it is just a starting point though. If the asteroid didn't have the remarkable connections with deception, I would have gone on to the next research item. So now I am interested to see if there is a connection with serial killers so Lucifer can be mapped to Satan.

Charles Manson (inside) and Lucifer (outside) to show both have Achilles on each other's SN.

Charles Manson (inside) and Sharon Tate (outside) to show Tate's Lucifer on Manson's Scorpio Sun. He took her life.

Image of Charles Manson with a swastika in front of his pineal gland:

Charles Manson's chart to show his Achilles and Lie are in the 8th house. May not be important but I thought it was very very interesting since Lucifer's core is all about deception. Notice his Pallas is on his ASC.