posted November 08, 2010 07:05 AM            

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No one is arguing to ignore Sun signs. They just aren't everything. Cancers generally get along with Earth signs. Cancers are also generally not Aquarian (lol). All I am saying and have been saying is that you can't pick an attribute about yourself and immediately aply it to your Sun sign because it could be something else in your chart. Like your dislike of Earth signs.

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posted November 08, 2010 07:46 AM            

So regarding the Earth Element: I don't agree with any materialistic approach to anything at all, basically. I don't understand why materialism should ever manifest. I guess the physical side of reality has been naturally designed to let people instinctively react properly, but I don't trust this artificial world today, while perhaps Earth Element Signs need to physically experience stuff like a fish needs water (though not literally; I don't like swimming), and most of the physical experiences offered today are artificial, it affects their character negatively, as I'm sure it would any other, but they have to go back to it. That was a pretty cruel, but just me thinking out loud as it were; theories. Basically every Earth sign I've known has been a bit of a nymphomaniac. Contraception is another artificial experience I resent.

Greed, basically, is what I resent in Earth Signs. When the instinct overreacts and is uncontrolled, sometimes consciously reveling in it, and sadism is no trait I'm fond of.

posted November 08, 2010 08:29 AM              

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All I am saying and have been saying is that you can't pick an attribute about yourself and immediately apply it to your Sun sign because it could be something else in your chart. Like your dislike of Earth signs.

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LOL
I dislike earth, especially when my dog and kids run it all over my house.
The thing is, all the signs are in balance. Earth might be clumpy and dense but it grows things you can eat and experience different pleasures with. Air might be invisible and sometimes chill you to the bone but it's great for fizzing all your drinks and allowing you to breathe. Water is the same. Fire too. They are inter-mingle and have both positive and negative connotations.

So to separate them and try to analyse them is futile because earth needs water, air and fire to live, breathe, give life and regenerate. Fire needs water, air and earth to give it purpose, fuel it and put it out and so on.

We are ALL these elements. A characteristic in one person is not identical in another. Elements shape us, contribute to our individual ways. Be thankful for them.

posted November 08, 2010 06:12 PM              

Dad - Libra
Mum - Gemini
Bro - Aquarius

posted November 08, 2010 11:04 PM            

Then, of course, people get defensive and say "No, but I'm an earth sign and I'm not like that, that's just you." okay great, you're an exception. Hooray for you, now you know a cancer will possibly be willing to marry you. Go celebrate. But, I have noticed that MOST earth signs are serious, shy, and monotonous.
If you're not like that, great for you. I don't need to hear about it. This thread was for cancers...it was a question for cancers only. Now I don't even know who is a cancer and who isn't. Lol. It's just kind of funny how ppl don't realize when they're opinion was unasked for...

posted November 09, 2010 12:54 AM            

I personally love Earth signs. However I have a Cap Moon, Virgo IC, and Taurus Venus. I actually like Earth and Air Signs much more than Water and Fire (my fave Air sign is Aquarius as my Venus is in the 11th, and Libra as my Moon is in the 7th, and I don't tend to mesh with Gemini's as I think they are quite superficial (my Pluto aspects balk at this lol...even more so than my own need for balance and fairness due to my 7th house Moon lol).

But the point is we have so many things that make up our chart, and no one is defined solely by their Sun sign. If that was the case then I wouldn't have dated as many Fire Sign (especially Sags...probably due to the 1st house Mars/Sun, and Leo Mer)...and Aquas (maybe because of my Mars aspecting Uranus).

posted November 09, 2010 04:11 AM            

Agent_009

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here's
"controlling," which is
ineffective/malfunctioning
decrees thrown at people. Then
there's "STRUCTURING," which
is effective leadership so a corporation actually has a
fighting chance at survival.
HUGE difference...! You
CANNOT control & cling onto
ideas & methods if you
constantly need to restructure it to make it work. Earths are
good at "letting go," of what's
not working. I agree with Lara on this one. I
dont want to generalize, but I've
found Cancer & Pisces stellium
people (3+ planets) to be really
controlling. I think it's because,
in general water signs have stress mis-management
(whether they realize it or not).
It usually leads to rampid,
atomic explosions, hence
"potentially," triggering series of
anger mis-management. Call it emotional, passionate (as
waters would have it)...whatever
you want. I still think it's mis-
management of emotions. I
think one can be passionate in
life without being a total basket case. I once worked on a movie
where the DOP (director of
photography) and a producer
were both Cancer stelliums.
They were SO stressed out they
turned into a double case of Mr. Hydes, (James Cameron style).
I quit in protest, not only
because they'd swear at me but
they were seriously abusing
other crew members. One of my
actor friends (male) was severely physically abused by
his ex, cancer stellium. Their
relationship finally ended when
the COPS put in a restraining
order. My mom, a pisces
stellium...issues with rage. My dad's pisces sun too (no
stellium), so he's got a broader
perspective on life compared to
my mom. Waters have big time
issues letting go of
dysfunctional situations & feelings. Now that's controlling.
Desperately clinging onto
ultimate dysfunct...instead of
restructuring, aka transforming
malfunction into function.

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I definitely agree with that. I think the thing with water signs is that they are bad at expressing themselves socially. They're probably the worst at that and that's why I think they would gain so much from being aroud Air signs. Water signs are too "real" and inexperienced (cuz they're usuallyshy or feearful i guess) to have become aware of how to deal with ppl in the best way. Probably earth sigbs are in second place, but they're still better at it than that the water signs in my opinion. I can definitely come off as overbearing and have problems being diplomatic and tactful a lot, and even say things I'm not supposed to say all the time. I know a lot of other water signs who are also like that. So, our cobtrolling tendencies come from our social ineptness on how to manipulate people to act the way we want. Air signs are great at this. Water signs, I find, often need a filter for their bluntness, and some cool rational detachment for their temper. I've learned a lot from my air sign friends, though.

posted November 09, 2010 05:10 AM              

It just means that you had a bad experience and are now ranting about it LOL

posted November 09, 2010 07:31 AM            

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I think the thing with water signs is that they are bad at expressing themselves socially.

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Mmmm isn't expressing yourself via all communication (spoken, writing, etc) more based upon Mercury than anything else. I know with my Mercury in Leo I ran circles around my double Sag ex, double Gemini ex and Aqua ex. I was WAY TOOO blunt with them lol...and these were guys with a good bit of fire in them...however their water Mercuries doesn't do arguments (or they tend to take me being passionate as an a argument lol). And they tend to take criticism or perceived rejection VERY hard.

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we really haven't completely admitted that earth signs are kinda workaholic and really detailed oriented so I'm guessing it will continue for a while when people stop debating over this and just accept it

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I actually disagree with you about the generalizations that all Earth signs are workaholics and detail orientated. In fact what about someone who might have a laser beam Mercury in Scorpio who is very detail orientated and catches EVERYTHING, and they have a Sag Sun (typical interpretations don't tend to say they are detail orientated). Or what about a weak Mars might make an otherwise "thought to be" workaholic Earth sign be passive about work, career, or future goals.

posted November 09, 2010 08:39 AM            

My water sign mother (Pisces), on the other hand routinely stays late at the office. She also brings her work home with her. I would call her a workaholic. She has little earth in her chart (pisces rising and aqua moon).

My best friend is a Cap (Virgo rising/Virgo Moon) and she is very very silly and cares more about bar fights than working. I have another cap friend who has quit every job he's had after 2 months. Both are also very funny and animated, definitely not boring or stickinthemud.

posted November 11, 2010 04:11 AM            

Thanks for helping me realize that. Too cool! Now I know what it is..lol..it's the typical problem between leos and tauruses for example. Leos like being larger than life, tauruses are the opposite and hate the limelight or pouring that much admiration or encouragement on someone, or being too out there public affection or romance. Leo needs the opposite. They need someone extroverted enough to wrap them up in warmth...and earth signs just aren't like that. Now withjust words, either, with emotions, facial expressions, body language etc.

So yeah, that's what it must be.

Thank you!

posted November 11, 2010 04:35 AM              

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they just dont express emotions enough as and aren't as "out there" as my firey self needs!

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You cannot be serious! (screams McEnroe!)

posted November 11, 2010 05:02 AM            

In my opinion water sigbs are the most emotionally expressive, but if u want emotions expressed in a grand, larger than life way that's where fire signs come in. I think we're talking about two very different kinds of emotion. You're more talking about vulnerability and weakness whereas i'm kind of talking about enthusiastic and fun emotion where pride and needing attention take a big part. Water and earth signs are good at showing vulnerability in their facial expressions, fire and air signs, not so much....

But fire signs show a kind of extroverted emotion...they're "firey" so to speak. It's emotion that doesn't seem needy but that rather commands your attention. Hard to explain.

posted November 11, 2010 05:16 AM              

Pisces are feeling people and they seem to express through indirect means. They make good artists but hopeless communicators
Cancerians seems to be more expressive through home and entertaining. Scorpios never want to express anything. They just want to feel and keep it to themselves!

Air signs struggle with feeling. They are head-orientated and find physical tactile behaviour alien, preferring to analyse and give function to the form of expression.

Fire signs can't handle or hold their feelings to express them. It's walking on hot coals to them

These are all just observations so don't shoot the messenger!

posted November 11, 2010 11:29 AM            

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I think we should be looking to Ascendants for who is more expressive. Because I'll admit I repress alot of feelings from the surface and I have a water sun, but with a Cap Ascendant. However, my face will often betray me with weird expressions. Okay, so maybe I am really expressive....nevermind. haha0

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Plus you also have to take into consideration again Mercury...it rules communication. I think that communicating is the domain of that. Even if someone is an Air Sign and naturally needs communication they might also need emotional communication if their Mercury is in Water for instance. An example I have is my Gemini and Aqua ex...perfect examples of guys who NEEDED communication (the Gemini has a Gemini Moon and Venus...YET a Pisces Asc, and Cancer Mercury. And the Aqua had a Virgo Moon with Cap Asc, and Pisces Mercury) yet neither could communicate without getting their feelings hurt or fear you'd reject them. Another thing they did was (and I have seen this in so many Water Mercuries) they didn't understand why they felt the way they did, there was no analyzing anything. And getting them to actually express anything verbally (even though they were Air signs) such as anger or emotion or even happiness...was impossible lol.