posted November 10, 2016 02:04 PM            

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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
NO amount of words can convey my disdain for them!!!

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posted November 10, 2016 02:09 PM            

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Originally posted by FatedCinderella:
the89freespirit
I get your point of view but I respectfully disagree about one thing.The man is a leader,a very crazy and mad one but a leader.He said all the crazy things he wanted,all things that any sane politician would avoid to get elected and yet he gained million of votes!! He is many things but not stupid.He is smart like a fox!That was the worst mistake, people underestimated him. He was getting stronger (you can see how confident he were on the end) while people were comfortable on their couch watching the media and the pools claiming Hillary could easily beat him.HUGE mistake.

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His IQ is 156 so high and you are on point about everything you just said.

posted November 10, 2016 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
Please tell me how the hateful, ignorant, hair-trigger-tempered person who literally has ZERO experience in politics is "better" than the person who has spent her entire life in public service and politics but who is unfortunately maligned because of a combination of misogyny, misinformation, paranoia, and her lack of conventional charisma?

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I can answer this for you

First big reason:

Trump said some bad stuff. (Gemini typical vomit of the mouth.) Hillary DID some bad stuff.

Wikileaks proved her coverups, but the media wouldn't touch it. The reason it seemed like Hillary would win was because the media perpetuated that lie.

Second big reason:

People are tired of the same corrupt washington BS. I think most people were curious to find out what a businessman could do as the president. We've had 8 years of Obama. People weren't happy. They wanted a change. Hillary wouldn't have provided that change.

3rd reason:

posted November 10, 2016 02:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Hillary only has experience as it relates to messing things up. For 40 years she did nothing but get us in one mess after another, and people have died over her bad decisions. She sold the State Dept. to the highest bidders. And the Clintons have a long line of racism, sexism, discrimination, and bigotry. You don't know your candidate very well. When Bill was Gov, she called disabled children who were taking too long hunting Easter eggs on her lawn "fuc*ing retards." Bill was a member of two "whites only" country clubs and said that a few years ago Obama would be "carrying our bags" and "getting us coffee." Hillary's friend and mentor was Robert Byrd, the leader of the KKK. And Bill said you had to be in the Klan back then in order to be elected as a Democrat. Don't even get me started on all the women Bill assaulted! Plus, Hillary's first case as a young defense attorney was a child rapist, whom she got off on a technicality and bragged about it! When she left the white house the first time, she stole millions in art off the walls, which she was forced to return, but she kept all the silverware that she stole! Hillary is also privately against gay marriage, as she has stated in her e-mails. And what about women's rights? Her foundation pays men a lot more than women. And she accepted tens of millions from countries where gays are killed and women are subjugated--where they can't drive or go to school and can be raped and can't report it unless it was witnessed by 5 men. So, don't come here holier-than-thou thinking Hillary is some kind of saint. If you didn't get all of your news from the Clinton News Network and the lying media, you might know all of this stuff about your candidate already. It's no big secret, any of it. And since you mentioned the e-mails, she was guilty as hell. Or else why would she have deleted them AFTER receiving a Congressional subpoena? And she showed intent by using Bleach Bit software to delete them. She took a hammer and smashed 13 phone devices to bits! What was she hiding? I'm sure it wasn't about yoga and her favorite tv shows. And intent wasn't even needed. Extremely careless is the definition for gross negligence. She should have been indicted. But she is above the law. Had she been elected, she would have sold the white house to the highest bidders. Hillary doesn't care about any of you. All she cares about is herself and the Wall Street donors who own her.

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Agree with this SO much.

posted November 10, 2016 02:41 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
His IQ is 156 so high and you are on point about everything you just said.

That been said I do want to say I don't enjoy AT ALL seeing liberals sad and I hate how divided we are, I really do; I know a lot of liberals who are great people and that I admire. I just wish liberals made a genuine big effort to understand were we are coming from and why we voted the way we did and be a lot more suspicious of the media and really look into Hillary. I wish they would also try to understand Trump more.

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posted November 10, 2016 02:48 PM            

@ bananaz,

I actually agree with your third point. Bernie would have drawn more unanimous support. Hillary is so polarizing. And the fact that we had our first female nominee who was not all that "likable" or "charming" really did make a difference. The fact that she was a woman and a "nasty woman" at that cannot be ignored.

Also, what is the difference between a corrupt politician and a corrupt businessman? Both are uber-rich, both love power, and both indulge in ruthless capitalism to get what they want. Just because Trump isn't a part of the traditional "system" doesn't mean he'll fix it.

And in terms of Wikileaks, I think there's an inherent media bias because, I don't know, Julian Assange is a narcissistic nutcase who occupies this "cult leader" status. Even I don't trust it because he just left a bad taste in my mouth from everything that happened years ago. He just sounds like a paranoid creeper nowadays.

Also, if the freaking FBI said that there's nothing incriminating, why can't people let it go? Is Hillary such a Scorpio that she makes people that distrustful and paranoid? When does the media ever hesitate to bring down a political figure? They love to see them rise and see them fall. If she was really up to no good, why would there not be more information?

Yet, I am disappointed in the media for the coverage of her seeming "lead", as it seems like they are not truly in touch with the polls.

@ Randall,

Again, not saying Hillary is a saint. In fact, it has taken me a long time to warm to her. I'm aware she has dirt on her hands and does many things for her own self-interest. But, name me one successful politician who doesn't?

As I said before to bananaz, I just find that Hillary critics cannot at all be neutral about her. She evokes the most passionate hatred in people. So, my first instinct is, honestly, to distrust things like that that you're saying. Not because they can't be true. But, they sound like they come from such an irrational, conspiracy-theory place.

For example, I find it very hard to believe, in this day and age, that there would be no scandal about "Hillary doesn't actually approve of same-sex marriage" if there was actual evidence. Did she jump on the bandwagon late? Yes. In an opportunistic way? In many ways, yes. I don't deny that. But, this is much different than having a VP who actually believes that you can send a gay person to electroshock therapy to "cure" and make them straight. Not even in the same ballpark. Neither is having the KKK literally endorse you and tweet you a congrats. If her friend really was in the KKK, he is awful quiet now (if he's still alive).

It just feels like Hillary is the Devil herself to some critics. Let's just ignore all of her efficiency and intelligence and experience. Burn the witch! Lock her up! Like I said before, if Trump were actually experienced and effective, I would get it. I would be able to say, "He's problematic and flawed and obnoxious, but he'll be very good at his job." But, Hillary critics can't even see her in a balanced light. And it's hard to see Trump in that way because he's SO extreme and such a parody.

@ FatedCinderella,

I highly doubt he's all that smart. Have you seen this deposition video of his? He couldn't even read the lawyer from the document right in front of him, saying something like "that's just a lot of words". He used the word "bigly." Bigly. Is that even a word? Some even say that it wouldn't be a surprise if he were actually illiterate. Not to put down people who are. But, the way he speaks does not denote this extreme intelligence and sharp brain. He just sounds "slow". Not all Gemini's are smart. No offense to any of you Twins but it is the airhead of astrology.

If he actually is this ultra-intelligent person, he is an amazing actor. But, I don't buy it. I think he is a businessman and a hustler and get what he wants. So, he knows how to work people. He seems very street-smart. But, not book smart.

And that doesn't actually means he should be leader of the *free world*. There is a vast difference between being able to be president of your business and president of an entire country. By the way, he filed for bankruptcy numerous times, set up a fake college, swindled his employees out of hard earned money, and didn't pay his taxes for several years. So, if that how he leads a business, how will he lead the free world?

posted November 10, 2016 02:59 PM            

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Originally posted by FatedCinderella:
the89freespirit
I get your point of view but I respectfully disagree about one thing.The man is a leader,a very crazy and mad one but a leader.He said all the crazy things he wanted,all things that any sane politician would avoid to get elected and yet he gained million of votes!! Not to mention that he was practically alone cuz everyone was going against him!He is many things but not stupid.Smart actually,like a fox and that was the worst mistake, people understimated him. He was getting stronger (you can see how confident he were on the end) while people were confortable on their couch watching the media and the pools claiming Hillary could easily beat him.HUGE mistake.

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I am not trying to get into a debate (hopefully haha) but I have to disagree with this. There are many things to be said about his personality, but a simple study of Trump's biography will show you he is not a self-made man, he is a classic mamma and papa boy, who was taught by his father a method of negotiation/persuasion (which you can find in the Art of the Deal) based on audacity and cheekiness (it's old). He has become this model from an early age, a very static, congruent personality. Part of this ingrained model is aspiring to mingle with rich, powerful people and the contempt/avoidance of the poor/minorities/underprivileged (which leads to actual racism/discrimination), display of wealth (even for make belief purposes), creating the illusion of wealth/power (before you even have it and even when you lose it), mammonism. He is basically a people person, not holding actual values and beliefs outside the childhood background and the opposite of an original (self-made). He is a follower of the trend, the wave, the powerful ones, a trader, a dealer, a businessman, not a leader, and this will be seen in his upcoming activity. It's a method mostly based on the illusion of grandeur, both in the viewer and the illusionist.

He is being empowered now by an important part of the collective psyche, and this is not a random fact, and a very interesting one. The illusion seems to work. If it happens, it's needed. For those who feel outside of it, it appears like a nightmare beyond comprehension. It's a great challenge. I totally agree with the89freespirit that this is Neptune, the master of the collective psyche, the master of illusion. I see this empowerment as purging, eventually. Neptune with his waters acts like a mirror, and this mirror is needed, otherwise it wouldn't have happened. There is a whole process with Neptune and how its waters wash away.

Lots of factors concurred to creating this moment. One important factor is the very poor choice of Hillary as alternative candidate, since astrologically and psychologically, imo, she would have never been chosen or wouldn't be as president.

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

posted November 10, 2016 03:12 PM            

"No all gemini's are smart"
No,I'm not saying he is smart because he is a gemini!! lol

posted November 10, 2016 03:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Hillary only has experience as it relates to messing things up. For 40 years she did nothing but get us in one mess after another, and people have died over her bad decisions. She sold the State Dept. to the highest bidders. And the Clintons have a long line of racism, sexism, discrimination, and bigotry. You don't know your candidate very well. When Bill was Gov, she called disabled children who were taking too long hunting Easter eggs on her lawn "fuc*ing retards." Bill was a member of two "whites only" country clubs and said that a few years ago Obama would be "carrying our bags" and "getting us coffee." Hillary's friend and mentor was Robert Byrd, the leader of the KKK. And Bill said you had to be in the Klan back then in order to be elected as a Democrat. Don't even get me started on all the women Bill assaulted! Plus, Hillary's first case as a young defense attorney was a child rapist, whom she got off on a technicality and bragged about it! When she left the white house the first time, she stole millions in art off the walls, which she was forced to return, but she kept all the silverware that she stole! Hillary is also privately against gay marriage, as she has stated in her e-mails. And what about women's rights? Her foundation pays men a lot more than women. And she accepted tens of millions from countries where gays are killed and women are subjugated--where they can't drive or go to school and can be raped and can't report it unless it was witnessed by 5 men. So, don't come here holier-than-thou thinking Hillary is some kind of saint. If you didn't get all of your news from the Clinton News Network and the lying media, you might know all of this stuff about your candidate already. It's no big secret, any of it. And since you mentioned the e-mails, she was guilty as hell. Or else why would she have deleted them AFTER receiving a Congressional subpoena? And she showed intent by using Bleach Bit software to delete them. She took a hammer and smashed 13 phone devices to bits! What was she hiding? I'm sure it wasn't about yoga and her favorite tv shows. And intent wasn't even needed. Extremely careless is the definition for gross negligence. She should have been indicted. But she is above the law. Had she been elected, she would have sold the white house to the highest bidders. Hillary doesn't care about any of you. All she cares about is herself and the Wall Street donors who own her.

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posted November 10, 2016 03:15 PM            

The disappointing thing is that while those who voted for Trump wish they said that his opponents could see where they're coming from, I don't hear any understanding from the other side as far as to where we're coming from.

I saw one ad with a mother with a disabled child who spoke of her disgust at him mocking that reporter. Imagine how that feels to see a potential President makes fun of mentally challenged people during a RALLY. Imagine how it feels to have a potential President call those of your ethnicity "rapists" or describe you as a sexual object he can have at will, because of his fame. Imagine how it feels to have a Presidential nominee, instead of discussing terrorism in and of itself, describe virtually everyone who shares your religion AS terrorists who should be feared (an attitude that began around 9/11 and needs to be stopped, not encouraged).

Again, to describe the response to Trump winning as a mere "temper tantrum" is to essentially miss where these protestors are coming from. And if they feel like you aren't willing to understand their rage and frustration and confusion, they aren't going to listen to you.

It's not the media dividing people. It's an increased insensitivity that is spreading throughout society, an unwillingness to be "politically correct" which is really just an excuse for many to vent their prejudices behind a social guise and Trump has only fueled that fire. It's not okay and people are not going to stand for it anymore.

Until you understand that, we will not be able to come together.

Okay, so I guess I had one more bullet point. By the way, if I've stepped on any toes here, don't take it personally. Or do, if you want. But, as a person who falls into two minority categories in this country myself, this election matters a lot to me. And it's not just a matter of being tolerant of other people's views. It's about taking a stand against injustices that others are not taking as seriously as they should.

posted November 10, 2016 03:31 PM            

Hahaha its fine.I am glad to hear your opinion about it.As I said to the89freespirit only time will tell if he's going to be good or bad.I think he is smart but that is just my personal opinion.

posted November 10, 2016 03:41 PM            

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I understand their rage and frustration and fear. Many people felt the same way when Obama was elected for a 2nd term. But they didn't storm the streets and declare that he wasn't their president. It's a democracy. A winner was elected. There needs to be a peaceful transition. The protesters damaged property. They blocked streets! Here in FL protesters were sent to prison for blocking an ambulance and causing a death. Imagine if those protesters had done the same...it's not worth it putting so much negativity on Trump when he has yet to begin his work. Whats's done is done. If people seek change, they need to work toward their cause.

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The fact that you think Obama and Trump are comparable candidates shows that you actually don't understand. Obama is an accomplished politician and was years before being elected. Trump is basically a giant troll who got lucky. Obama built his campaign on unity and progression. Trump built his campaign on hatred and division and fear and regression, all while masking it as unity and progression.

People who were disappointed in Obama did not agree with his policies. People who oppose Trump are opposing him based on a very fundamental sense of right and wrong. And they are not willing to just be passive about that.

I do not agree with protests that are not peaceful. That is never okay and people need to make sure others aren't getting hurt. But it has brought out a lot of intense reactions out of people. You not knowing why that is shows an essential lack of understanding.

posted November 10, 2016 03:48 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
His IQ is 156 so high and you are on point about everything you just said.

That been said I do want to say I don't enjoy AT ALL seeing liberals sad and I hate how divided we are, I really do; I know a lot of liberals who are great people and that I admire. I just wish liberals made a genuine big effort to understand were we are coming from and why we voted the way we did and be a lot more suspicious of the media and really look into Hillary. I wish they would also try to understand Trump more.

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posted November 10, 2016 04:04 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
The fact that you think Obama and Trump are comparable candidates shows that you actually don't understand. Obama is an accomplished politician and was years before being elected. Trump is basically a giant troll who got lucky. Obama built his campaign on unity and progression. Trump built his campaign on hatred and division and fear and regression, all while masking it as unity and progression.

People who were disappointed in Obama did not agree with his policies. People who oppose Trump are opposing him based on a very fundamental sense of right and wrong. And they are not willing to just be passive about that.

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posted November 10, 2016 04:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
There is nothing wrong with filing for bankruptcy. It's legal. The same goes for taxes. Why would Trump pay more than the law says he must pay? Also legal. Trump is a winner. And this country has been settling for losing for years. We will now become winners. All of us. United.

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Wow. Think about what you just said. Why should he pay more than the law says he should pay? That's LEGAL? Since when do we get to choose to pay taxes? The only people who don't have to are the deeply impoverished. Is Trump in that category? And filing for personal bankruptcy? Okay. Filing for business bankruptcy numerous times? Not illegal. But not a sign of an effective businessman, which is why many voted for him.

But I wonder, if Hillary spent years dodging the IRS all while being a filthy rich 1 percenter who can afford to take the hit in her bank account, she would be raked across the coals by his supporters?

I really see the effect of Neptune in Pisces. He has really cast a spell on many people where he can do no wrong and it is downright alarming. That is why people disagree with what has happened.

posted November 10, 2016 04:26 PM            

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Originally posted by bananaz:
I understand their rage and frustration and fear. Many people felt the same way when Obama was elected for a 2nd term. But they didn't storm the streets and declare that he wasn't their president. It's a democracy. A winner was elected. There needs to be a peaceful transition. The protesters damaged property. They blocked streets! Here in FL protesters were sent to prison for blocking an ambulance and causing a death. Imagine if those protesters had done the same...it's not worth it putting so much negativity on Trump when he has yet to begin his work. Whats's done is done. If people seek change, they need to work toward their cause.

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posted November 10, 2016 04:56 PM            

Although I really disagree with his politics, I cannot deny that he got personality and some sort of charisma, even when he is being really offensive. He also got humour and self-irony. I think people voted for him because he is just much more of a personality you either hate or not, compared to Hillary. And Hillary is a Scorpio, to me it feels like thats her true "crime"... she seems mysterious and a bit power-hungry, and thats why people dislike her.

But the REALITY is so different. Trump is e.g. both a racist, sexist and doesn't even believe in climate change. It is so WRONG to elect a president like that, right now, in this particular time in history. He will without doubt divide the country more and more from now on, but maybe that is what America needs actually.

Maybe America really needs someone who can divide us, so we can fight the bad guys and actually really change the system...maybe all this "make America great again" b**sh** actually is a symbol for what is going to happen after the war.
Cause it's not democratic at all at the moment. Hillary got the most votes remember, but their election-system just made Trump win anyways. that is NOT democracy.