posted November 11, 2016 07:24 PM            

By the way, did you hear? Trump might not repeal Obamacare after all. He said he is thinking it over but there are many good things about it to consider and he is open to merely amending it and not repealing it. If I wasn't on my phone, I would provide a link. But Google and see for yourself.

Not even sworn in and he is already waffling on one of his major promises. Welcome to the next four years!

posted November 11, 2016 07:43 PM            

When a candidate promises people to do something on their campaign trail, based on his or her well informed vision of the future, and urges people to vote for them based on that promise and goes back on it, it is deceptive and unethical. Many people voted for him just for that promise. Not being able to really get the promise off the ground while in the Office is one thing. Potentially changing your mind before your first day on the job is another.

It is flaky and weak minded. Hate to break it to you. This is only the beginning.

posted November 11, 2016 08:03 PM            

Personally I am not upset about it. Obamacare is good for many people. I just see it as the first piece of startling evidence that this man might have literally said anything he could to get attention and really had absolutely no idea what he was talking about. I would not at all be surprised if he just learned all the details about the ACA today fron talking to Obama. He never gave a detailed plan as to how he would repeal it before.

Which gives rise to my point about the possibility that many many people got tricked into supporting him and voting for him when his actual stances are vastly different. And again this flip flopping is happening before he is even sworn in! And it is not just an open mind. It is quite a fundamental switch of ideologies as many of his hardcore voters truly hate the ACA.

Don't be surprised if the wall is he going to build is a Tex Mex restaurant called Wall where burritos will be half off every Tuesday and the chips and salsa are top notch.

posted November 11, 2016 08:08 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
He doesn't want to leave 20 million people out in the cold. It will still be replaced.

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Mmm 50-50 chance there. He said verbatim it will either be "amended or repealed and replaced." Clearly that is an either or situation. If elements of Obamacare are kept, he didn't truly replace it did he? He just changed the rules.

Replacing it would be throwing the whole act out the window which is why so many people freaked out about it because they thought their insurance and their children's insurance would totally disappear and they would have to put up with a complete new and shaky system.

And soren he loves himself. That is about it. His voters will soon figure this out. I honestly think he just knows he is in the absolute doghouse with the left and is trying to offer an olive branch. Nope. Just all kinds of nope.

posted November 11, 2016 08:37 PM            

But bottom line, defend him all you want, people are going to feel increasingly deceived over the next few years. And this is not just my opinion. I am seeing that in the stars.

Signing off.

posted November 11, 2016 08:53 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
Please tell me how the hateful, ignorant, hair-trigger-tempered person who literally has ZERO experience in politics is "better" than the person who has spent her entire life in public service and politics but who is unfortunately maligned because of a combination of misogyny, misinformation, paranoia, and her lack of conventional charisma?

Normally I stay neutral on the issues. This is very serious and fires me up and I don't care who it offends right now.

Trump is a danger to this country, whether it is through his complete ignorance on politics (he flip flops more on most of the important issues, beyond building that stupid wall, at an alarming rate) or through how he has stoked fires of hatred in many (but mind you not all) of his supporters.
It is like handing a tremendous amount of power to a 6 year old. It is wildly irresponsible.

Democrats are not being "sore losers". We have lost elections many times and not reacted at this level. They are genuinely and rightfully concerned with the state of their country. Many gay people are wondering if Trump will try to repeal same sex marriage or introduce conversion therapy. Women fear their rights to their own bodies will be challenged. Do I even have to explain why racial minorities are mad?

Voters who think their privilege in society will protect them are foolish. What do you think this man will do to the economy? The value of the dollar plummeted as soon as he was elected (but may have recovered). He is a threat to working class families of all races. This greedy 1 percenter could recklessly send us into another global recession. Economists spoke of the threat of a financial crisis in the next two years months BEFORE he was even elected. Now, it is only a matter of when.

This is not a typical election. This is something very very different. Hillary has her flaws. But she knows what she is doing. And she gets projected on and dumped on so much that it unfortunately made it possible for this joke to win. If you don't think sexism played a part in this result, (not a complete part but a significant part) you are either deluded or part of the problem. And it is funny how many people who voted for him totally gloss over his flaws (like utterly degrading women) yet cling to their outrageous conspiracy theories about Clinton that are usually founded in nothing. Also, clearly, our democracy is deeply flawed.

Sorry for you guys who don't want to "go there". I probably shouldn't have even opened this thread. When I get started on this whole issue, I come out swinging, haha.

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posted November 11, 2016 09:13 PM            

He cares about all Americans, but takes zero responsibility for his role modeling hatred? He is a figurehead and only a figurehead, it will be business as usual in Washington with them doing the bare minimum they can to scrape by and make as much money as they can for the corporations they are affiliated with. The whole political dance and political system is a complete farce, in fact. I know I said before he would run things into the ground and he WOULD if he as an individual were ACTUALLY in charge.

Symbolically he is, and I really don't know... with his 8th house rulers in his second house, it looks... interesting for the economy... to say the least.