posted November 10, 2016 05:08 PM            

And no. We have just shown our children that being an insensitive bully can win you the Presidency. So do not get on a high horse about that, especially when you cannot even admit to Trump's own deception and flouting of laws.

This is nothing to be proud of. One day, the Piscean illusion his supporters have of him will be shattered (for the reasonably intelligent ones). It will probably just take a year or two for it to fully sink in. And by that time, we will have a giant mess on our hands. It could be worse than the Bush era. In the history books, people will look back on this day as a massive blunder.

posted November 10, 2016 05:25 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Don't get me started on climate change!

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posted November 10, 2016 05:29 PM            

I find it interesting that the89freespirit attacked Bush but did not attack Obama or Bill Clinton's presidency, I can find a bunch of things seriously wrong with all three of them but yet you think you are been impartial bc for a second you admitted to some flaws that Hillary has which I am sure you are minimizing in your head while magnifying Trump's flaws of been supposedly racist and sexist; I disagree completely that this is the case. The media has reinforced this narrative so much that I suppose it makes it hard for people to even question for a second that he is not sexist or racist and that he says the things he says bec he is provoked and for good reason.

posted November 10, 2016 05:30 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Next to Neptune, there is SO much nuance in your comment and I agree with all of it. Intense times are ahead for the world.

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posted November 10, 2016 05:32 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
He didn't cheat the IRS out of taxes. He had a write-off for losses that carried forward. Every business does it. It's not cheating. And he was under no obligation to reveal his returns. And the US is not a democracy. It's a Republic. The popular vote isn't how we elect a president. There's a lot of misinformation on this thread.

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posted November 10, 2016 05:39 PM            

I guess you would rather have a crook

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posted November 10, 2016 05:48 PM            

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And in terms of the astrology of it, transiting Neptune in Pisces is opposing transiting North Node in Virgo.

Mass deception with counterproductive or negative consequences. A lot of the people who put that man in the White House just got hoodwinked. And they aren't going to realize it til later.

There are even people saying that Trump said all of that just to get elected. He was allegedly pro-choice until he announced he was running and was a Democrat for years. If that's true, he is even more of a dangerous sociopath to encourage the ugly side of people just to get what he wants.

I mean, this is just WILD. It is all very surreal. Again, fitting for Neptune in Pisces.

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posted November 10, 2016 05:51 PM            

Nothing good will ever come out from war.No love,no understanding,no sense of unit.Just more hate!!Besides that we go into the 3rd world war we not going to have anything to change.I mean with all the power the nations hold into their hands nowadays we not going to have tomorrow to see through the darkness.

posted November 10, 2016 06:04 PM            

I have had enough, people. This thread isn't going to accomplish anything but a back and forth. In the end, my mind about Trump isn't changing. Not for now at least. Not until he actually proves what he can do over a very long term period of time. Because he again has no track record in politics whatsoever.

Your minds clearly aren't changing either. So good for you. Let's agree to disagree.

posted November 10, 2016 06:10 PM            

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
. The media has reinforced this narrative so much that I suppose it makes it hard for people to even question for a second that he is not sexist or racist and that he says the things he says bec he is provoked and for good reason.

Reality is that the media always uses the race card when they feel threatened by a republican candidate. Ron Paul also got hit with the race card and he is gentleman who maybe would have won if he had the Ba*ls of Trump, the race card gets old and it starts to lose its effectiveness in manipulating the masses hence why he won in spite of the entire media been against him and trying to brainwash the masses.

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There is no way to question the racism and the sexism of a public figure who has a racist speech on TV, for the whole world to see. It's undebatable. Why would it matter if he is Republican or Democrat or if he likes latino women in private? He is a racist, and it is between you and your conscience to decide what it means to support a racist speech in any way, the others have decided a long time ago. It's your option to deal with, you can't expect people to change the definition of racism instead.

Sorry, that's a point I can't ignore. Can you?

As an outsider from Europe, it seems the bi-party system has just started to collapse, and it will, since it got to the point where people would do and say anything to be Republicans or Democrats.

And obviously when it comes to racism and sexism, the whole thing is very distressing for gentle, feeble creatures like astrologers. and most of the world. What's not to understand?

Let's focus on his relationship with Neptune, Mercury in Cancer 11th sq Neptune in Libra 2nd, we can see here a Neptunian impact on the masses, mostly coming from people's fascination with "gold" (Neptune in the 2nd Libra) and cardinal, no less. Easiness in receiving, acquiring and losing wealth. Trading. Motivational speech.

Hillary: poor Neptune, no wonder the tide couldn't have been in her favor.

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posted November 10, 2016 06:17 PM            

I can see why people wanted a guy like Trump. The Leo rising and Gemini sun- what a charismatic talker! No political background, no political corruptness, a business guy who gets stuff done- it's refreshing to see after years and years of typical politicians. But I, along with millions, couldn't get past the hurtful and derogatory things he has said. It upsets me that people are starting to share their racist views now because they have heard the President Elect openly say it, without punishment. A regular customer came into a popular restaurant close to where I live and told the owner and the staff that they were all going to get deported. I have friends of every ethnicity, religion, and background, who are honestly afraid of what people are going to do or say to them now. Children are starting to make fun of other children as school calling them immigrants, terrorists, and teasing them about the Mexican Wall.

My boyfriend is not from this country. He came here as a child and is legally here and protected under DACA, or the Dream Act, as it is also called. He has no direct path towards citizenship unless he gets married. He has his Masters degree and works as an environmental scientist for an amazing organization. But his future here is in jeopardy because Tump wants to remove the Dream Act, an executive order started by Obama in 2012, to help children get an education and a work authorization permit. Now hundreds of thousands of people who are here legally, have a tax ID, pay taxes, some in school, some working, all face deportation. The Government has their fingerprints and addresses due to their immigration status applications, so they can show up at their door anytime. Trump has stated one of the first thing he wants to do is get rid of that act and get rid of those people. *sigh*. Im sorry, I know this is off topic. this has just been bothering me a lot these past few days.

posted November 10, 2016 06:32 PM            

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If anyone has a heavy hand in contributing to rapid climate change, it's China and other industry-heavy countries. The US has very little say in what other countries do, thus is a moot point. In fact, the US was the first one to institute environmental protective policies, and created the very first national park. It's a very minor issue in the grand scheme of things, because there isn't much the US can do to change things, regardless if one believes in rapid climate change or not.

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Thats another illusion again. Cause America got everything to do with our climate crisis. And now they will roll back all the good things Obama fighted for, for an example the million-dollar agreement in Paris 2015, with China. China is still gonna do their best from now on, but it will never be enough without America.

We wont achieve the goal any longer, of being under the limit of a 2,5 degree temperature increase, which means the ecosystem in our oceans will collapse. And once they do that, everything else is gonna be f*****. Ocean streams will change, which will bring colder climate to Europe, and drought to already dry areas. Billions of people from the West is gonna be the new climate refugee, and where will we go?

posted November 10, 2016 06:37 PM            

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Her true crime is not been a Scorpio, she has a long list of crimes and highly unethical things she has committed including treason that make it very clear she is a sociopath and cannot be compared for a second to him not showing his taxes to the IRS or filing for bankruptcy! please....
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PLEASE name ONE politician in the US which ISNT corrupt. Come on, the one is not worse than the other regarding that. Their whole system is based on lobbyism and if you don't owe billions of dollars and have a huge network, you will never ever make it to the White House. Everyone knows each other and go to golf courses in the weekend together. Trump went to Hillarys birthday parties and Hillary went to Trumps wedding. It's all a big show, don't you get it?

posted November 10, 2016 06:59 PM            

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Don't get me started on climate change!

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posted November 10, 2016 07:04 PM            

Well gee, what a way to win people over by name calling people who don't submit automatically to your points of views.

There's a better way to win people over than calling people racist, sexist, homophobic, etc, etc. Basically demonizing people when they don't agree with you will not win anyone over.

posted November 10, 2016 07:39 PM            

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I can't help, but see Trump winning as a backlash against self entitled college students calling everyone racist if people/you don't agree with them.

Well gee, what a way to win people over by name calling people who don't submit automatically to your points of views.

There's a better way to win people over than calling people racist, sexist, homophobic, etc, etc. Basically demonizing people when they don't agree with you will not win anyone over.

It'll make people dig their heels deeper. It's human nature people.

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posted November 10, 2016 07:47 PM            

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Originally posted by Sulkyarcher:
I can't help, but see Trump winning as a backlash against self entitled college students calling everyone racist if people/you don't agree with them.

Well gee, what a way to win people over by name calling people who don't submit automatically to your points of views.

There's a better way to win people over than calling people racist, sexist, homophobic, etc, etc. Basically demonizing people when they don't agree with you will not win anyone over.

It'll make people dig their heels deeper. It's human nature people.

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Great post, as usual, SA!

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