posted November 11, 2016 06:13 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Trump is lovable because of Neptune, but this isn't a good reason to make somebody President. This is exactly the wrong reason to make somebody President. Neptune encourages us to overlook all practicalities in favour of unconditional love... It's a beautiful illusion he has spun. Those in favour of him feel a false sense of security from him because of his Neptune in the 2nd, and for the same reason, he believes in himself.

Belief is not enough. Believing is not knowing. He has a seriously impractical understanding of finances. He is an earth void!!! Maybe Neptune in the second house of the president is a blessing in disguise because it will cripple the economy and force a crisis so that the people who are consuming way beyond their means are humbled and shown that all they have to rely on is the good earth itself, not a bank machine or a gun or somebody who is promising to protect them from anybody different from them. Unfortunately that's an empty promise and the catastrophe isn't going to be pretty. Everybody who thinks they can derive satisfaction and comfort from.the suffering of others is going to get such a hard hit of karma, it is terrible, terrible to want others to be hurt for your benefit and your soul WILL feel the pain inflicted on your behalf, even if Trump makes you feel safe right now, believe me, you aren't.

Love is not enough. Wife beaters and rapists say they love their victims, and their victims believe it. They also promise financial security, protecting the family from unwanted outsiders, etc etc... and their slip ups are forgiven and they are upheld because they are the head of the household, the breadwinner, and the father. Their rule is absolute. Until by some grace, you manage to get out. And then the rage is extreme.

This is just the same as people saying the president has to be respected because he's the president. It's like saying you have to respect somebody with a gun pointing at a crowd because they're on stage and it's they show... It's exactly the same.

We absolutely do not have to respect this person. We can have compassion for his terrible position as a deliverer of karma, because that is the only reasonable stance to take in this world... and understand that none of us are getting out of this life alive, and we will all have to face our feelings and our pain and our demons in a moment of humbling weakness...

The less carnage the better. If you have ever truly understood karma (I know it to be real), you will not support anybody who is intentionally causing pain. You will hear the cries of the world and be compassionate... you will never laugh at anybody's pain, for you will know it is your own.

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Hi, Yun! and I love the interpretation of the 2nd house Neptune, so refined!

posted November 11, 2016 06:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Nah, the protesters will stop soon. No civil war. Just a temper tantrum.

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posted November 11, 2016 06:28 PM            

Where we are disagreeing is the use of "crybaby" and "whining". You are contradicting yourself in the sense of saying you are fine with the protesters but they are a bunch of whiners? Because of their opinion? Stastically, Trump supporters are overwhelmingly white, straight, male, and Christian. Way more white men support him than women, although the percentage of women for him is surprisingly high in that demographic. Of course certain minorities and gays have supported him. But that is definitely the exception and not the rule.

I don't know what demographic you fall into and I won't assume. But take a look at those protests. They are dominated by women, racial minorities, LGBT people, Muslims. People who have been told to shut up and know their place for far too long in this country, to just accept inequality or that it no longer exists and you're being oversensitive or a SJW (I effing hate that term). That they just need to work harder and things are fine.

Trump winning sent the people in these groups the message that their rights do not matter. It is not whining because one didn't get their way. It is speaking out for their rights. It is not just about Trump. It is what he stands for and what he has unleashed in this country.

So your dismissal of these political statements as petulant complaining is far off the mark. And it shows that you may not be taking them as seriously as you should and that you are projecting on to the peaceful protesters who are NOT the same as the select violent ones. Also, we were never exactly sure if Trump would concede to Hillary if she won. And he is the one who complained about the peaceful protests and then backtracked. So who is the self absorbed whiner?

@yungang_grotto,

Just as another human being, I feel for him. I do. Being him has to be miserable. But narcissists/sociopaths like him reap what they sow. You cannot give too much of your empathy to someone with none. I know from experience. They can suck you into their own void and without you even knowing.

My own experience with people of Donald's type is why what he has done is so unacceptable. He manipulatively promoted hatred and bigotry for publicity and encouraged the nastiness in others to do so. He has risked people's health, security, livelihood, and stability for his own whims. I can understand the motives of someone that sick. But you won't hear me playing him a violin.

There is this whole theory many have that he did all this just to build a new Fox News personality like brand for himself and now that he actually won, he is secretly crapping his pants. Those pics of him and Obama in the White House yesterday were so awkward and it made even me uneasy. His body language and facial expression was just terror. You could see it in his acceptance speech too. The man is way in over his head.

Everything you said was really beautiful by the way! And it does show Neptune in Pisces through not only this deceptive leader but the actual, true compassion and acceptance we need to foster in order to overcome the increasing insensitivity he has encouraged.

posted November 11, 2016 06:45 PM            

I do have compassion for Trump, and everybody on this thread, and I admit that--like Gandhi, who acknowledged that all he did was for his own sadhana--I do so as much as possible to relieve myself of as much suffering as possible.

Because you ARE me, and I DO feel your pain

I will feel pain endlessly, as long as conditions continue as they are.

The Boddhisattvas are magnificent beings because they hear the cries of the world and do not turn away. They rush to the aid of those who need it, with no judgment or thought for themselves...

They are models for us... all of us... there is truth in these, stories and myths, and the truth of them was hard won by people who saw through the facade of personal importance to the heart of existence.

posted November 11, 2016 06:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Nah, the protesters will stop soon. No civil war. Just a temper tantrum.

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posted November 11, 2016 06:48 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Unfortunately, violence in the streets is the well-known consequence of making hate speech official and a state policy. When this happens, there is either silent fear, anger and pain (dictatorship) or the loud kind (riot).

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posted November 11, 2016 06:49 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
that only relates to water yungang. Fire is fun, adventure, laughter

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posted November 11, 2016 06:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Trump will be the greatest president since Reagan.

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I have never seen the kind of courage Trump has in my entire life.

He brought down a whole corrupt media.

He brought down a crook--Clinton--that no one could touch.

The Clintons have a list of people they murdered to get where they were and stay where they were.

One man alone had the courage to tell the truth about this and other things no one would say.

He didn't need us.

He had everything he ever needed.

We owe the fact that we will have a FREE country to him to look forward to is because he had consummate courage.

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posted November 11, 2016 06:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
What are you teaching children--that it's okay to have a tantrum when things don't go your way?

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Just stop. You are embarrasing. You clearly don't have an original, mature, or respectful thought to offer to this conversation.

If you want to act like an actual moderator, you may just want to close this thread or move it as another poster suggests. Many of us are actually trying to engage in a nuanced and complex debate. You're just sitting here trolling and it is not helping the discussion at all.

posted November 11, 2016 06:54 PM            

But I can't help but feel like you don't care about how many people Trump has offended and made them feel inferior as human beings. Do you honestly not care how the citizens of this country are now in fear because he has basically put a target on them? Do you not care for other people, their lives, their feelings, their families, and their friends who are going through this difficult time because the man with the most respected position in this country has insulted them and labeled them as either rapists, gang members, or terrorists just because the color of their skin? Please put your political preference aside for one minute, take Hillary out of this, and ask yourself if you have any empathy for these people? They are humans like yourself, they live, they breathe, they love, and they live, and they are just as entitled to feeling as safe in this country as you do. And right now, because of this man's attitude and remarks on them, he has opened Pandora's box to others who feel like they can do the same.

This is why there is anger towards him. It's not so much his polices or the republicans vs democrats. It's his demeaning view towards so many that has caused heartache and uncertainty. And people who adamantly support him and disregard the feelings of those who have been insulted and targeted by him, just make the fire worse. It's a case about humanity. Our country has come so far to try to close the gap on racial divide, and this man has opened the seams and it is starting to unravel.

I took a trip into Washington DC today and I visited the FDR Memorial. I stumbled across this quote and found it ever so meaningful, especially with the current times. It made my heart hurt that we now have a President who's mentality is so far from this message.

posted November 11, 2016 06:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
What are you teaching children--that it's okay to have a tantrum when things don't go your way?

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Actually, yes. It's so interesting you should mention that.

The fact that, as children, we were told our negative emotions were wrong, and shamed for them, rather than comforted and supported in expressing our full range of perfectly reasonable emotions which were a direct result of our environment and our parents influence (often at least subtly abusive), has caused a huge amount of pain in many many people.

It is one thing to gently support a child in expressing their feelings and encourage them to redirect their attention elsewhere. Real love and compassion calm a tantrum far better than forced, insensitive telling them to stop, that they "can't" act like that, etc.

This is a huge deal for most of us. Healing early childhood wounding is a long process, and understanding that feeling pain is ok is a huge step in healing ourselves and the world.

posted November 11, 2016 06:55 PM            

You are really wise and smart and I always look forward to your responses. I may not know you but you seem like a beautiful soul and that is very appreciated.

posted November 11, 2016 06:55 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
If you want to act like an actual moderator, you may just want to close this thread or move it as another poster suggests. Many of us are actually trying to engage in a nuanced and complex debate. You're just sitting here trolling and it is not helping the discussion at all.

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posted November 11, 2016 06:58 PM            

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Originally posted by polkadotstars:
Randall I have looked up to you on this astrology website. You're the OG of it and I respect your opinions of your political party, your political beliefs, and choice of candidate. To each their own.

But I can't help but feel like you don't care about how many people Trump has offended and made them feel inferior as human beings. Do you honestly not care how the citizens of this country are now in fear because he has basically put a target on them? Do you not care for other people, their lives, their feelings, their families, and their friends who are going through this difficult time because the man with the most respected position in this country has insulted them and labeled them as either rapists, gang members, or terrorists just because the color of their skin? Please put your political preference aside for one minute, take Hillary out of this, and ask yourself if you have any empathy for these people? They are humans like yourself, they live, they breathe, they love, and they live, and they are just as entitled to feeling as safe in this country as you do. And right now, because of this man's attitude and remarks on them, he has opened Pandora's box to others who feel like they can do the same.

This is why there is anger towards him. It's not so much his polices or the republicans vs democrats. It's his demeaning view towards so many that has caused heartache and uncertainty. And people who adamantly support him and disregard the feelings of those who have been insulted and targeted by him, just make the fire worse. It's a case about humanity. Our country has come so far to try to close the gap on racial divide, and this man has opened the seams and it is starting to unravel.

I took a trip into Washington DC today and I visited the FDR Memorial. I stumbled across this quote and found it ever so meaningful, especially with the current times. It made my heart hurt that we now have a President who's mentality is so far from this message.

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posted November 11, 2016 07:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Nah, the protesters will stop soon. No civil war. Just a temper tantrum.

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posted November 11, 2016 07:12 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Trump is lovable because of Neptune, but this isn't a good reason to make somebody President. This is exactly the wrong reason to make somebody President. Neptune encourages us to overlook all practicalities in favour of unconditional love... It's a beautiful illusion he has spun. Those in favour of him feel a false sense of security from him because of his Neptune in the 2nd, and for the same reason, he believes in himself.

Belief is not enough. Believing is not knowing. He has a seriously impractical understanding of finances. He is an earth void!!! Maybe Neptune in the second house of the president is a blessing in disguise because it will cripple the economy and force a crisis so that the people who are consuming way beyond their means are humbled and shown that all they have to rely on is the good earth itself, not a bank machine or a gun or somebody who is promising to protect them from anybody different from them. Unfortunately that's an empty promise and the catastrophe isn't going to be pretty. Everybody who thinks they can derive satisfaction and comfort from.the suffering of others is going to get such a hard hit of karma, it is terrible, terrible to want others to be hurt for your benefit and your soul WILL feel the pain inflicted on your behalf, even if Trump makes you feel safe right now, believe me, you aren't.

Love is not enough. Wife beaters and rapists say they love their victims, and their victims believe it. They also promise financial security, protecting the family from unwanted outsiders, etc etc... and their slip ups are forgiven and they are upheld because they are the head of the household, the breadwinner, and the father. Their rule is absolute. Until by some grace, you manage to get out. And then the rage is extreme.

This is just the same as people saying the president has to be respected because he's the president. It's like saying you have to respect somebody with a gun pointing at a crowd because they're on stage and it's they show... It's exactly the same.

We absolutely do not have to respect this person. We can have compassion for his terrible position as a deliverer of karma, because that is the only reasonable stance to take in this world... and understand that none of us are getting out of this life alive, and we will all have to face our feelings and our pain and our demons in a moment of humbling weakness...

The less carnage the better. If you have ever truly understood karma (I know it to be real), you will not support anybody who is intentionally causing pain. You will hear the cries of the world and be compassionate... you will never laugh at anybody's pain, for you will know it is your own.

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