posted November 11, 2016 03:50 PM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
Dunno who you're talking to but nobody is saying that liberalism works. We're saying that Trump sucks and I'm saying that this entire system is obviously not working.
Republicans didn't riot when Obama won again, because Obama wasn't a raging idiot who (openly) threatened and insulted people.. duh.
You're subscribing to an outdated system and taking one of two idiotic sides. Liberals vs. conservatives, republicans vs. democrats, etc., just keeps you complacent and distracted. The real issue is that at least HALF the country hates their new leader. It's not about your side winning, it's a bigger issue of widespread unrest. Obviously our daily lives are not affected enough to cause the violent revolution that I was talking about, but arguing 'your side' like a parrot is not constructive. You're just feeding this cycle of nonsense.. Though I guess you see nothing wrong since your side "won" --- it won 4 years of decisions being made that cannot possibly be good for everyone living here, because HALF the country disagrees entirely with our leader. That's a problem.

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posted November 11, 2016 03:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
as a Jewish woman you should be careful supporting right wings. No idea how they are like in the U.S. but in Europe they despise you; i mean really despise you.

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True.

posted November 11, 2016 03:56 PM            

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posted November 11, 2016 04:30 PM            

For those who haven't noticed.

First - they'll try to isolate you from your nearest and dearest. [his own party/your friends/colleagues won't associate with him] This will give the [false] impression that not only them but the entire world is against you.

Once you stand your ground, they will still try some underhanded move.

posted November 11, 2016 04:39 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Trump will be the greatest president since Reagan.

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Originally posted by Enneline:
because of peace?

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Randall is talking about the people who are "protesting" in non-peaceful ways. It's fine to protest. It is absolutely fine to be against Trump or what he says, what policies he wants to put in place. But it's not protesting when there are those who are looting, smashing car windows, beating people up because they do favor Trump.

posted November 11, 2016 04:44 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
This is what happens when Scorpio is defeated FAIR-AND-SQUARE. Bitter. Bitter. Bitter.

For those who haven't noticed.

First - they'll try to isolate you from your nearest and dearest. [his own party/your friends/colleagues won't associate with him] This will give the [false] impression that not only them but the entire world is against you.

Once you stand your ground, they will still try some underhanded move.

Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign is a perfect illustration why Scorpio is a universally hated sign. UNFAIR!!

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Trump is the one who was literally saying "UNFAIR!!" on twitter, about protesters. He's said it about everything else, too.

posted November 11, 2016 04:50 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
There are loons on both sides, man. Did you not get the memo about the people who voted for Trump who are harrassing innocent people on the streets for their race or religion? Did you not hear about the numerous reports of children going to school crying, scared that their parents or friends would get deported, or being told that they would be deported by OTHER CHILDREN, even if they are US citizens?

Neither is acceptable but which one is more troubling: smashing a few windows or spewing vile racism and hatred?

If you think I'm calling you a racist, you're wrong. But, what you guys need to realize is that, even though you don't share the mindset of these hateful Trump supporters, his ideologies have emboldened them to take these actions.

It's something you really, seriously need to digest.

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Yep, and thanks for your response to me, also. I was taking a break; I don't know why I clicked here again.

posted November 11, 2016 04:56 PM            

If anyone who is calling the dems who wanted Hillary crybabies, it's because they are. Trump won, get over it. Put your energy into something useful like educating others on what you know so they vote for your candidate next time.

Well said, my Friend

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posted November 11, 2016 04:56 PM            

If she is that much of a devious, calculating, Amy Dunne from Gone Girl mastermind, we would be calling her Madame President by now.

But, of course. She is paying all of these protesters. She has infected their minds by telling them to work with Trump and be open to him, as well. By conceding graciously, as opposed to the tantrum Trump probably would have pulled if he lost (which he more or less said in his own words). God that nasty woman. Always up to no good! Maybe if she did stay home and bake cookies all those years ago, we'd be better off.

posted November 11, 2016 05:10 PM            

They are using their energy constructively. They are using their right to freedom of speech and to a peaceful protest. Just because you don't agree with them does not mean they will shut up or go away.

The Tea Party certainly did not shut up. So don't talk to me about how accepting everyone on the right is. A special group was created to complain about the President and rake him across the coals for years. It may not have been an in the streets rally but it was their own form of dissent. Did that bother you?

And it is funny how you say it is fine to protest but then revert to the violent protests. Dramatic political events tend to cause these kinds of reactions in certain people. Not pretty or somethibg I agree with. But it is a generalization to dismiss the honest rights of the vast amount of peaceful protesters because of the select violent ones.

If people just shut up and accepted it, if they just kept their heads down and played passive, we would not have had the Civil Rights Movement. So, so many progressions in this country would not have happened because, when justice was not served, people would have just said, "Oh well. Lets just wait a few years and see what happens."

This election is about justice. Plain abd simple. Not seeing that makes you part of the problem.

Also good luck with that so called policy of Trump's. He flip flops more than a pair of sandals. The only issue he has ever been 100 percent clear about is immigration and that is not even included in his 100 day plan online now.

posted November 11, 2016 05:11 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b] It's fine to protest. It is absolutely fine to be against Trump or what he says, what policies he wants to put in place. But it's not protesting when there are those who are looting, smashing car windows, beating people up because they do favor Trump.

If anyone who is calling the dems who wanted Hillary crybabies, it's because they are. Trump won, get over it. Put your energy into something useful like educating others on what you know so they vote for your candidate next time.

Well said, my Friend

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How do you explain the attacks against Muslims and women by Trump supporters, then?

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The victory celebration comes amid a climate of reports of hate crimes and vandalism by purported Trump supporters (including attacks on women, Muslims and other minorities, and the arson of a black church), as well as reports of attacks on Trump supporters and the firebombing of a GOP office in North Carolina.

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http://www.cbsnews.com/news/n-c-kkk-chapter-plans-trump-victory-parade/

posted November 11, 2016 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
@etherealsaturn,

They are using their energy constructively. They are using their right to freedom of speech and to a peaceful protest. Just because you don't agree with them does not mean they will shut up or go away.

The Tea Party certainly did not shut up. So don't talk to me about how accepting everyone on the right is. A special group was created to complain about the President and rake him across the coals for years. It may not have been an in the streets rally but it was their own form of dissent. Did that bother you?

And it is funny how you say it is fine to protest but then revert to the violent protests. Dramatic political events tend to cause these kinds of reactions in certain people. Not pretty or somethibg I agree with. But it is a generalization to dismiss the honest rights of the vast amount of peaceful protesters because of the select violent ones.

If people just shut up and accepted it, if they just kept their heads down and played passive, we would not have had the Civil Rights Movement. So, so many progressions in this country would not have happened because, when justice was not served, people would have just said, "Oh well. Lets just wait a few years and see what happens."

This election is about justice. Plain abd simple. Not seeing that makes you part of the problem.

Also good luck with that so called policy of Trump's. He flip flops more than a pair of sandals. The only issue he has ever been 100 percent clear about is immigration and that is not even included in his 100 day plan online now.

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posted November 11, 2016 05:18 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
Yep, and thanks for your response to me, also. I was taking a break; I don't know why I clicked here again.

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You're welcome. And I hear you cause here I am again. Haha but it is important for you to use your voice. Don't shut up. Don't give into this idea to "stop complaining". Keep speaking out about these things out in the world. If Trump can use his freedom of speech right as obnoxiously as he sees fit, so can we.

posted November 11, 2016 05:20 PM            

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Originally posted by the89freespirit:
It's not counting on failure. It's having enough common sense to know that this is not going to turn out well. I'm not saying it will be apocalyptic or dystopian. I don't want to be too dramatic. But, things are not going to be ideal. Polyanna optimism only gets you so far. We need to be realistic and realize we're ON the crashing plane. Sorry but it's the truth.

The best way I can put it is if you had to have open heart surgery, who would you trust: a very professional surgeon with many years of experience or some guy who just blustered his way into a hospital and kept yelling, "I'm going to be a great surgeon! Let me operate on you! Believe me!" with absolutely nothing to back that up, as well as a very unstable nature.

It's a no brainer. Accepting the former option would be outright foolish. Electing Trump as president is like getting the random, crazy, unqualified guy to do open heart surgery on you. All because you're sick of experienced surgeons always operating on you. If you don't realize it's an incredibly risky and dangerous situation, you're just not using your head.

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posted November 11, 2016 05:38 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
There is no way to question the racism and the sexism of a public figure who has a racist speech on TV, for the whole world to see. It's undebatable. Why would it matter if he is Republican or Democrat or if he likes latino women in private? He is a racist, and it is between you and your conscience to decide what it means to support a racist speech in any way, the others have decided a long time ago. It's your option to deal with, you can't expect people to change the definition of racism instead.

Sorry, that's a point I can't ignore. Can you?

As an outsider from Europe, it seems the bi-party system has just started to collapse, and it will, since it got to the point where people would do and say anything to be Republicans or Democrats.

And obviously when it comes to racism and sexism, the whole thing is very distressing for gentle, feeble creatures like astrologers. and most of the world. What's not to understand?

Let's focus on his relationship with Neptune, Mercury in Cancer 11th sq Neptune in Libra 2nd, we can see here a Neptunian impact on the masses, mostly coming from people's fascination with "gold" (Neptune in the 2nd Libra) and cardinal, no less. Easiness in receiving, acquiring and losing wealth. Trading. Motivational speech.

Hillary: poor Neptune, no wonder the tide couldn't have been in her favor.

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posted November 11, 2016 05:54 PM            

@StubbornVirgo I didn't blame violence on one side. However, the violence I have seen are anti-Trump folks starting fires, breaking windows, being physically beaten, a child kicked out of his house because he voted for Trump in school...Violence, on both sides, is not acceptable. Hurting people and causing destruction is NOT protesting and it's not making your voice heard acting like that.

Help to fix the broken system by being involved politically.

posted November 11, 2016 05:55 PM            

Belief is not enough. Believing is not knowing. He has a seriously impractical understanding of finances. He is an earth void!!! Maybe Neptune in the second house of the president is a blessing in disguise because it will cripple the economy and force a crisis so that the people who are consuming way beyond their means are humbled and shown that all they have to rely on is the good earth itself, not a bank machine or a gun or somebody who is promising to protect them from anybody different from them. Unfortunately that's an empty promise and the catastrophe isn't going to be pretty. Everybody who thinks they can derive satisfaction and comfort from.the suffering of others is going to get such a hard hit of karma, it is terrible, terrible to want others to be hurt for your benefit and your soul WILL feel the pain inflicted on your behalf, even if Trump makes you feel safe right now, believe me, you aren't.

Love is not enough. Wife beaters and rapists say they love their victims, and their victims believe it. They also promise financial security, protecting the family from unwanted outsiders, etc etc... and their slip ups are forgiven and they are upheld because they are the head of the household, the breadwinner, and the father. Their rule is absolute. Until by some grace, you manage to get out. And then the rage is extreme.

This is just the same as people saying the president has to be respected because he's the president. It's like saying you have to respect somebody with a gun pointing at a crowd because they're on stage and it's they show... It's exactly the same.

We absolutely do not have to respect this person. We can have compassion for his terrible position as a deliverer of karma, because that is the only reasonable stance to take in this world... and understand that none of us are getting out of this life alive, and we will all have to face our feelings and our pain and our demons in a moment of humbling weakness...

posted November 11, 2016 06:01 PM            

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Trump won. Your crooked little Wall Street candidate lost. Nothing you can do about. You better hang on tight. It's going to be a bumpy 8-year ride for y'all.

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Haha this is getting hilarious. Again, thank you for yet another well thought out response that totally ignores all my and others' bullet points to spout off something overly simplistic and not founded in reality or fact whatsoever. Real food for thought.

One thing we can finally agree on: it will be a bumpy ride, for everyone, seeing as how you know he is the leader of the free world and his poor actions will affect everyone, including his devoted disciples. But it will most likely be four years, assuming Trump does not go down like Nixon, who many have compared him to, before then. Scandal follows the man like a magnet.

We should revive this thread in a year or two when Trump is either a complete hot mess or reveals himself to not be the man you think he is and remind his voters that "hey at least he's not a criminal" or "he's better than Hillary right?" It will be the new "I told you so".

posted November 11, 2016 06:04 PM            

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Originally posted by bonsai:
Given the experience I and my community have had recently based on an issue that has been affecting us profoundly, and hence which was also reported on by the media (and sometimes was ignored by the media), I can tell you from first-hand experience that, depending on the news source you read, the media can greatly colour the perception of the issue and either make it out to be really good or really bad. Some of the things that one news source was reporting kept making my blood boil, cause it completely ignored certain valuable information that changed everything, like how we were deceived etc. I wouldn't be surprised if the media has done the same to portray Trump as the biggest pig in the world. If you go on the internet and look up news articles about him, there's almost always at least one picture of Trump where his facial expression looks contorted and ape-like, whereas you won't see any of Hillary doing the same. The media loves to capture the one split second where he makes a less than impressive face to show how stupid he is. It may seem simple, but it's one of the little tricks that the media loves to use to influence the public's perception. In reality, we all make stupid faces at one point or other throughout the day, even if they last for half a second. It's easy to make almost anyone look stupid if you have your camera on them 24/7 and can go through their facial expressions in slow motion.

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posted November 11, 2016 06:05 PM            

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Originally posted by etherealsaturn:
@the89freespirit Not sure if you completely understood where I was coming from...I agree with you. I said protesting was fine, it's a reasonable response. I didn't say I think they should shut up and go away. I don't have to approve of the whining protest, but I support their right to do so. Again, to be clear, it's not protesting when it turns to violence.

@StubbornVirgo I didn't blame violence on one side. However, the violence I have seen are anti-Trump folks starting fires, breaking windows, being physically beaten, a child kicked out of his house because he voted for Trump in school...Violence, on both sides, is not acceptable. Hurting people and causing destruction is NOT protesting and it's not making your voice heard acting like that.

Help to fix the broken system by being involved politically.

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Unfortunately, violence in the streets is the well-known consequence of making hate speech official and a state policy. When this happens, there is either silent fear, anger and pain (dictatorship) or the loud kind (riot).

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