posted January 17, 2017 09:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
Because Trump was the people choice

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He lost the popular vote.

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Originally posted by Nine:
...irrespective of his vices, because the alternative was 1000x scarier.

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Who cares? That's over.

I'm talking about him, as a Gemini, and the effect he has on people.

posted January 17, 2017 09:22 AM              

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Originally posted by theunknown:
The next 2 saturn transits will hit his cancer stellium and his angles. So i expect if he does last 4 years, there'll be major problems with his family. Saturn opposition transit is very challenging.

His mars in leo has been helping him with the Sag Saturn transit but Capricorn Saturn would hit him hard.

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It's definitely going to be an important transit, considering there is that Pholus/Vx conjunction there in the intercepted 5th house, also coinciding with the Saturn return. Saturn will reach that point in January 2020. It's exiting the 4th house though, by May.

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posted January 17, 2017 09:31 AM            

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Okay. So then what is the darkside of the Gemini leader that people are so afraid of?

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posted January 17, 2017 09:36 AM              

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Originally posted by hypatia238:
He is very sensitive and his Mars on the AC will strike back and destroy you if you attack him. He said in one of the episodes of the apprentice that when someone talks bad about him he will never ever forget them and openly admitted he is very sensitive, you can tell he meant it that he takes that seriously and doesnt forget.

The media always focuses on what he says but not why he says it or who provoked him, he will strike back no matter who you are, he wont treat you differently bc of your gender or anything else, if you cross him you cross him.

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It's an unusual view to see Mars as the point of sensitivity in someone's chart, but I guess it all depends on how everyone perceives sensitivity. For example, for me an insensitive person stomping on others can have no genuine claim on personal sensitivity. I think you have an interesting point though, since Mars shows what "triggers" us. In this respect, I would add that a Leo Mars conj ASC can range from highest frequency ( an inspiring dashing hero with a cause, leading by example through courage, poise, generosity and ultimately self-sacrificing) to lowest frequency (a terrifying self-serving, self-centered thin-skinned egomaniac anti-hero triggered by minuscule pro/contra attention, ultimately sacrificing all).

I take it you connect Mars/ASC with constantly challenging/being challenged and I think you are right I'm confused if the last part of your comment is supposed to come from fear or admiration, but if you ask me, in this case, critics are rightfully pushing for Aquila non capit muscas since some jobs are incompatible with SNL allergies.

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posted January 17, 2017 09:38 AM            

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Congratulations!

You just won the

DUMB QUESTION AWARD

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Ah, so you're here for insults?

posted January 17, 2017 09:43 AM            

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I take it you connect Mars/ASC with constantly challenging/being challenged and I think you are right

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posted January 17, 2017 09:52 AM              

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I thought that was more an afflicted Mars condition.

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My personal observations, and I think the textbooks as well, show Mars conj ASC as a point of assertion, an area of impulsivity and aggressiveness, for better or worse. The ASC is Martian per se, it shows how we stand out and go after things; as a result, any planet conj the ASC has a Martian vibe; and actual Mars there is a triple hit, imo.

"A planet in conjunction to the Ascendant always takes on powerful proportions in the native’s life and personality. A distinction is made between planets in the twelfth house in conjunction to the Ascendant, and planets in the first house in conjunction to the Ascendant. When found in the first house, the native feels free—and compelled—to express the planet’s energies. When behind the Ascendant in the twelfth house, that planet is just as powerful, but it has problems expressing itself in a direct and uninhibited manner.

Mars conjunct the Ascendant

The sign position of this aspect plays a big role in how overtly Mars-like this person will be. Whether Mars is positioned in the first house, or behind the Ascendant in the twelfth house, will also play a role. These are noticeable people, particularly for their ability to lead, take action, fight for what they want, and also for their independence. Generally feisty, Mars-Ascendant people are easily riled up and either on the offensive or defensive, with quick reactions to stimuli. They want to be seen as powerful people. Impulsive and assertive, they at least exude confidence even if they don’t feel it.

Interpretation from the Astrology Profile for Women report: With Mars in conjunction with your Ascendant, you are driven to accomplish what you set out to do. You’re likely to be seen as active and energetic, and you are also unlikely to back down from a challenge. In order to achieve greater harmony with others in the world, you may need to pay more attention to the way others respond to you, your actions and attitudes. You can be abrasive, or others may think you’re pushy, even though that may not be your intent. Assertiveness is different from aggression, and you may be much happier when you feel confident in your assertive abilities. Driving yourself to the point of exhaustion is a temptation since you may not know when and where to stop.

Queen Latifah (Mars conjunct Ascendant in Taurus), Harry Belafonte (Mars behind the Ascendant conjunct the Ascendant in Gemini), Sir Arthur Conan Doyle (Mars behind the Ascendant conjunct the Ascendant in Gemini), John Denver (Mars behind the Ascendant conjunct the Ascendant in Gemini), Henry Kissinger (Mars conjunct Ascendant in Gemini), Lord Byron (Mars conjunct Ascendant in Cancer), Stephen King (Mars behind the Ascendant and conjunct, in Cancer), Alex Haley (in Leo), Kathy Bates (Mars behind the Ascendant and conjunct, in Virgo), Nick Carter (in Virgo), Lou Ferrigno (in Virgo), Betty Ford (Mars behind the Ascendant and conjunct, in Virgo), Harry Hamlin (in Virgo), Gene Kelly (Mars behind the Ascendant, in Virgo), Peter Sellers (in Virgo), Sissy Spacek (in Virgo), Bill Clinton (in Libra), Emeril Lagasse (Mars behind the Ascendant and conjunct, in Libra), Dudley Moore (Mars behind the Ascendant and conjunct, in Libra), Julie Sweeney (in Libra), Christian Dior (Mars behind the Ascendant and conjunct, in Scorpio), Arsenio Hall (in Sagittarius), Francis Ford Coppola (in Capricorn), Jayne Mansfield (Mars behind the Ascendant and conjunct, in Capricorn), Heidi Fleiss (Mars behind the Ascendant and conjunct, in Aquarius), Ritchie Valens (in Aquarius), Dorothy Hamill (Mars behind the Ascendant and conjunct, in Pisces)."
http://cafeastrology.com/natal/marsascendantaspects.html

Of course, this is just a generality, the whole chart needs to be taken into account.

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posted January 17, 2017 09:53 AM            

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Ah, so you're here for insults?

Got it!!

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Since you cannot SEE Trump's dark side, then you must also think insults are A-OK.

You support insulting.

posted January 17, 2017 09:57 AM              

I know it's very hard to keep it dry astrology though. I don't mind if honest astrology-based evaluation of character and personality happens, that was the point; let's try to focus on him.

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posted January 17, 2017 10:01 AM            

But I'm sorry for derailing, and I'm going to leave the thread.

posted January 17, 2017 11:08 AM              

I too don't understand that question, and I can understand and feel the same, that supporting insults is in fact, insulting. But perhaps Nine and others genuinely see something else, that they can explain, with the help of astrology.

It was not in my intention to criticize you, Faith, and I don't think you are responsible for derailing, you wrote the most amazing analysis, the topic itself is a ticking bomb of derailment. I was hoping it's not derailed yet.

Nine, I don't want you to be or feel offended either, I hope you know my tolerance for offensive words is generally low. Dumb question from me : do you see any dark side to the Gem in question?

With this thread, I was trying to say that this event is too important for us to ignore it because of these differences, it needs to be discussed, astrologically! But if this thread has the potential for me to upset you in any way, Faith, I'll leave it aside altogether. Screw Trump and the whole world! I mean it

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posted January 17, 2017 11:13 AM              

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Screw Trump and the whole world! I mean it

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Yeah, screw politics. Let's get a massive tub of Ben n Jerry's and binge watch Gilmore girls. Or whatever you guys like.

posted January 17, 2017 11:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Elysia:
....and binge watch Gilmore girls. Or whatever you guys like.

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You guys make it too hard to leave threads!

But I'm really going now.

Later

posted January 17, 2017 11:19 AM            

Mars-Ascendant sort of has this battle mode that's initiated upon being attacked. They usually will immediately strike back unless afflicted by Saturn or in a water sign, but they are the quickest to assert themselves. Can be very vocal about things that upset them and their reactions show in their contorted facial expressions (I do it all the time).

posted January 17, 2017 11:20 AM            

there are all kinds of people, some hard for hillary, some a little for hillary. there is ALL types, many on the fence.

posted January 17, 2017 11:31 AM              

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posted January 17, 2017 11:33 AM            

Please dont quote.I will edit the personal part (moon) later.

posted January 17, 2017 11:34 AM              

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Yeah, screw politics. Let's get a massive tub of Ben n Jerry's and binge watch Gilmore girls. Or whatever you guys like.

And hot fudge of course.

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posted January 17, 2017 11:38 AM              

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Leo Mars & Asc for leadership. Sagittarius Moon for inspiration.

Here is a man although born into wealth made a name for himself. He passed this on to his children, they were born into money, yet he wanted them to stand on their own merits.

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I'd like to see Saturn and Pluto aspects for leadership. Mars and Ascendant Leo don't automatically make for leadership. And seeing how he act and talk, I find it hard to say he has leader qualities.

posted January 17, 2017 11:43 AM              

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You guys make it too hard to leave threads!

But I'm really going now.

Later

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posted January 17, 2017 11:55 AM              

But such view allows you to see through the real intentions, eventually, so there is no need to feel guilty about it

I am little disconcerted about the idea of 70y olds suddenly starting to do good things after a life of questionable deeds. (since you acknowledge this reality yourself). Why or how do you think that can be possible? Serious question.

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posted January 17, 2017 12:02 PM              

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Mars conjunct the Ac-Mars has the effect of making the body energized(but only for a little while whilst the interest lasts). But nevertheless the person may be unable to sit still, must always be busy "doing" something.

There is little wonder that he married more than once and took a younger woman as his wife as he might have strong passions and a high sex drive. Mars conjunct Ac inspires others and wants to be inspired too.

Disease is "burned" away through sheer will and a fighting spirit. Zest for life and an independent nature that seeks to be themselves regardless of what others think and say. Little keeps these folks down for long.

I think the fact that most people are weary of him is testament to that: someone whom people respond to either in one way or another-as is the nature of Mars.No "in between" or indifference.

Sun in 10th- "I rule the world". Someone who wants to be at the very top, thinks themselves very important and "royal". Is usually the "authority" and finds it difficult to follow others leadership if they disagree(which is usually 90% of the time). Mixes with celebrity/high class, "roll out the red carpet",loves pomp and ceremony,high self esteem,knows themselves to be "the best",a very domineering and authoritative parental figure.

Moon in 4th house-May have moved around a lot or is sentimental about ideas of family and feeling a sense of belonging, home and childhood.Patriotic and protective of home or land of birth, interior design,domesticated,heart is in the home,keeps family close, ties that bind are very important, loyal,cares in a protective "motherly meddling" ways, comfortable home or is interested in owning/maintaining real estate. Parental figure that was emotional and supportive.

I see Mars/Asc conjunct a lot with him. No other personality factor stands out so vividly. And his love for keeping it straight and simple(even if uncomfortable) is classic Mars straightforwardness.

But I think his chart was rectified to give a Sag Asc? Can't remember where I saw that though

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