posted January 28, 2017 01:00 PM            

Can I ask any interpretation of you about the nodes from that perspective you presented. Happy to provide my info in another thread if you were available to give me some insights.

Thanks

posted January 29, 2017 02:45 PM            

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You are right! Didn't see it. Well, he could be a good liar then ...esp in social environments

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posted January 29, 2017 03:42 PM              

Göring wannabe Bannon just got "promoted" today:
http://star4cast.ca/stephen-bannon-punches-his-weight/

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posted January 30, 2017 07:43 AM              

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What are people's thoughts on the upcoming full moon eclipse in Trump's 12th house?

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This should be important, he is a lunar eclipse fellow, can't wait to take a look after work. What do you think?

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posted January 30, 2017 07:39 PM            

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I don't think an astrological study of DT will be complete unless and until one also looks at the charts of Steve Bannon, Stephen Miller, and probably Jared Kushner, in that order.

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posted January 30, 2017 07:48 PM            

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@ Peony,

Can I ask any interpretation of you about the nodes from that perspective you presented. Happy to provide my info in another thread if you were available to give me some insights.

Thanks

NS

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posted January 30, 2017 09:35 PM            

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This should be important, he is a lunar eclipse fellow, can't wait to take a look after work. What do you think?

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The eclipse is falling along his 12th/6th house axis. It will be close enough to his Mars to trigger something.

Perhaps some hidden health ailment might surface. Leo rules the heart.

Other than that, I think he will be fine because the eclipse is making lovely aspects with his sun, moon and Jupiter.

posted February 01, 2017 06:21 AM              

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I noticed Donald Trump has North Node in Gemini, in the 10th house. Also, his Sun is conjunct the North Node.

He's meant to have a career, and be in the spotlight this lifetime.

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Definitely huge spotlight there, considering it also brings the light of both luminaries, so it is like a literal "spotlight", 2 spotlights

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posted February 01, 2017 06:23 AM              

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These examples illustrate the cycles of and interplay between Saturn and Pluto, as they play out within the human psyche and in history.

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posted February 01, 2017 07:25 AM              

"LeeLoo, It's not clear to me what you mean by "turning point of recoil" and what you're saying here.

A couple of questions I have are to what extent, if any, will Trump break with or confront the geopolitical goals of the deep state. There is continuity of the deep state or shadow government, no matter who the president is and what party is in power.

I have my doubts that the Saturn-Pluto transit aspecting Trump's Venus-Saturn indicates such a break, more likely a consolidation of power of the ruling elites, made possible by fanning the flames of fear and scapegoating, typical of this configuration when national security concerns tend to dominate."

Every time there is a turning point of changing eras, there will be a retrograde movement, a recoil to that, coming from the dying structures fighting to subsist or maintain their power. These forces are usually very corrupt around such turning point, due the natural decay and rococo of every trend. In this case, we are talking about this move towards the age of Aquarius which has already started, and now will be soaring, and this past trying to stop it.

In the face of inevitable change, the previous mentalities and forces will have a moment of clinging to power. This action of recoil eventually reaffirms the inevitable change, and gives it a push. But, it is, of course, dramatic.

In this particular case, the retrograde recoil, the past is: patriarchy, hegemony, warmongering, religions in their current forms (particularly the mosaic ones), fear/intolerance of differences, inequality and various forms of masquerade slavery, destruction of the environment, unethical accumulation of wealth, corruption, isolationism and bigotry.

Just to give an example, travel revolution (airplanes) and internet evolution (widespread information), both recent, inevitably bring about facing the variety in the world and integrating it (minorities, different cultures), something that didn't happen before.

There will be no turning back towards these values, mentalities, structures in the past, no return to patriarchy in its previous 2000 year (at least) form, for a long while (thousands of years).

Trump and his people are one of the effigies of this dying past, so he crystallizes it in order to be denied and destroyed: a catalyst for irreversible change towards Aqua. This is why in this particular astrological combination he is Saturn in Cancer ( the recoiled past, the voice of the past, and the "ambassador" of it, Hermes). Saturn in Cancer here also stands for the callousness of this past in contrast with the much stronger humanitarian values of present and future, coinciding with higher global empathy as a result of globalization (being in constant touch with diversity), typical of Aqua.

He IS the deep state and the ruling elites, and has been since birth, as you described those (Saturn in Cancer = deep state, the tumor that needs to be removed).

"He could suffer a crushing defeat during this transit, from an ego standpoint, but in a deeper context, may actually aid him in his evolution."

Due to his condition, Trump actually goes for world domination. He won't be able to help himself against that. (You can read about his condition and its devastating effects when given power here:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-greene/is-donald-trump-mentally_b_13693174.html

http://citizentherapists.com/manifesto/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malignant_narcissism

My opinion and analysis at this point is that on this path, with him as POTUS, war is imminent. Civil war in the US (high risk for it due to civilians being armed, a rare occurrence in nowadays global context) and international war (and of course, we all know
wars at this level have a high risk of being catastrophic). But in my opinion he will be stopped in due time, when the lesson he is supposed to bring is sufficiently understood and integrated. The cost of the process is of great concern though.

As for the timing of when this happens, I am still working on a complex transit analysis of this and will post it here, so far it looks like about a year from now, as a possible window for that: 2018.

Most dictatorships have an average of 40 years. His ascension being stopped is consistent with his upcoming transits and mostly with his overall natal chart, which shows no signs of persistent political leadership.

"I think the Saturn-Pluto conjunction in Capricorn is going to be the darkness before the dawn, the latter perhaps a correlation with Saturn in Aqua."
Absolutely.

"This is an intriguing image and there are a number of ways to interpret it. A hidden source of power that shields and protects? One mundane interpretation could be a powerful ally or trusted advisor behind Trump, who is not known to the public."

I agree, due to the easiness to manipulate someone with his condition, and also its erratic nature, several fight behind the scenes to form a plutocracy with him as leader or trigger.

The invisible cloak of power also shows his hidden intentions, occult friends and advisors and also how he perfectly embodies Andersen's tale, the Emperor's New Clothes, which just became an urban reality.

"Or, perhaps an allusion to spiritual forces, both light and dark that are aligned with human beings, would also constitute an invisible source of power. The nature of these forces drawn to Trump would depend on his thoughts, emotions, and actions. His 12H Pluto could mean either, as this planet has light and dark connotations"

I agree, to its core, this is a fight between good and evil.

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posted February 02, 2017 03:16 AM            

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Nine,

LeeLoo, thanks for clarifying.

[QUOTE][b]Trump and his people are one of the effigies of this dying past, so he crystallizes it in order to be denied and destroyed: a catalyst for irreversible change towards Aqua.

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If you're saying this is part of a universal or global situation and people and groups around the world embody this old order, I agree.

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He IS the deep state and the ruling elites, and has been since birth, as you described those (Saturn in Cancer = deep state, the tumor that needs to be removed).

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His executive orders indicate otherwise: withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership [TPP], controlling mass immigration, which corporations use to keep wages here in the U.S. low, and his stand on normalizing relations with Russia, against the agenda of neoconservatives and the military industrial complex.

What I mean by "deep state" is Wall Street/Goldman Sachs, multi-national corporations, the military industrial complex, and the national security and surveillance state.

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Due to his condition, Trump actually goes for world domination. He won't be able to help himself against that. (You can read about his condition and its devastating effects when given power here:

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I don't know what you mean by "his condition." Huffington Post is like CNN, the Clinton News Network, so I don't consider them a reliable source of news, nor do I consider Wikipedia an authority qualified to assess Trump's state of mind.

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My opinion and analysis at this point is that on this path, with him as POTUS, war is imminent.

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I take it you mean a new war. The U.S. has been at war for decades and is at war as we speak. By the way, Obama was at war for the entire eight years of his presidency. So, yeah, American presidents kill lots of people. It's a tradition.

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As for the timing of when this happens, I am still working on a complex transit analysis of this and will post it here, so far it looks like about a year from now, as a possible window for that: 2018.

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Yes, that coincides with the beginning of the Saturn-Pluto conjunction in January-February, or even the end of this year.

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Most dictatorships...

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My dear LeeLoo, you know I'm not going to let this go unchallenged, right? Trump has been in office for 12 days, so I think it's premature to assess his presidency. But, I'd make an exception for a seer who has attained the "clear mirror of prophesy" as distinguished from a "hazy mirror."

A recent Reuters/Ipsos poll found that 49% of Americans support the ban on seven Muslim countries, 41% disagreed. So, a plurality supports it. He's also getting opposition in Congress for his nominees and he can't overrule Congress with executive orders on that. So this doesn't support the notion he's a dictator.

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I agree, to its core, this is a fight between good and evil.

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I don't think we agree on this. The struggle between light and dark is one we are all engaged in, not only Trump. Like IQ, I have a more nuanced view of him. I agree that he's going to do bad things, but he's also going to do good things.

posted February 02, 2017 03:26 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Definitely huge spotlight there, considering it also brings the light of both luminaries, so it is like a literal "spotlight", 2 spotlights

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posted February 02, 2017 06:46 AM              

"If you're saying this is part of a universal or global situation and people and groups around the world embody this old order, I agree. "

Yes, this is what I meant.

"His executive orders indicate otherwise: withdrawal from the Trans-Pacific Partnership [TPP], controlling mass immigration, which corporations use to keep wages here in the U.S. low, and his stand on normalizing relations with Russia, against the agenda of neoconservatives and the military industrial complex."

Nope. His orders have one purpose alone: isolate to rule (by oneself). The Muslim/travel/immigration ban is not "controlling immigration", but creating a prejudice, violating human rights and the Geneva Convention, endangering the already endangered lives of refugees, endangering the lives of Americans and all of us by giving radicals a "war against Islam", already responsible for murder and I am afraid, will cause more loss of life. On this path, he will also start deportations.

There is no negotiation with the likes of dictator, national and war criminal Putin who just killed and imprisoned more Russians as a result of the Steele file and who will most likely try to invade Ukraine because of Trump.

No, he is going for radical conservative agenda and for the heaviest militarization in recent US history, which he will also parade for you to cheer it, so prepare the little flags.

If he wanted to encourage American jobs and industry, he's had 50 years of business activity to do it. He didn't. Still doesn't (hires minimal wage immigrants and produces offshore). Never will do it. He doesn't care about American wages and jobs, and generally about Americans or anyone else.

"What I mean by "deep state" is Wall Street/Goldman Sachs, the military industrial complex, and the national security and surveillance state"

He is this deep state, yes, as his biography and nominations show.

"I don't know what you mean by "his condition." Huffington Post is like CNN, the Clinton News Network, so I don't consider them a reliable source of news, nor do I consider Wikipedia an authority qualified to assess Trump's state of mind."

That is my personal evaluation as a Psychology MS, it is a widespread view among psychologists, here and everywhere, it seems. It is unethical to diagnose without consulting, but I, like many other psychologists/psychiatrists (check the Manifesto I posted and the signature list) am going to make an exception in this case, due to the gravity of the situation and the transparency of his symptoms that a 1st year student would identify, and in fact, any layman, including Trump supporters would check at least 5 criteria on that list instantly.
Wikipedia lists DSM-5 criteria, doesn't diagnose Trump, you can find the criteria in the DSM itself, on Mayo Clinic website or other specialty resources.

I chose the HP article because it describes accurately how this condition evolves:

"We are writing to express our grave concern regarding the mental stability of our President-Elect. Professional standards do not permit us to venture a diagnosis for a public figure whom we have not evaluated personally. Nevertheless, his widely reported symptoms of mental instability — including grandiosity, impulsivity, hypersensitivity to slights or criticism, and an apparent inability to distinguish between fantasy and reality — lead us to question his fitness for the immense responsibilities of the office. We strongly recommend that, in preparation for assuming these responsibilities, he receive a full medical and neuropsychiatric evaluation by an impartial team of investigators.

Sincerely,

Judith Herman, M.D.
Professor of Psychiatry
Harvard Medical School

Nanette Gartrell, M.D.
Associate Clinical Professor of Psychiatry
University of California, San Francisco (1988-2011)
Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, Harvard Medical School (1983-87)

Dee Mosbacher, M.D., Ph.D.
Assistant Clinical Professor
Department of Community Health Systems
University of California, San Francisco (2005-2013)

The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM - 5, Cluster B) for “Narcissistic Personality Disorder” by The American Psychiatric Association (APA)

Here, according to The APA, are the 9 criteria for “Narcissistic Personality Disorder”. If an individual has 5 out of the 9 they have a confirmed diagnosis of this illness. Many individuals have “traits” of narcissism but only about 1% of the population has clinical NPD.

“Summary : A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

1. Has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
2. Is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love.
3. Believe that he or she is “special” and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with other special or high-status people (or institutions)
4. Requires excessive admiration
5. Has a sense of entitlement
6. Is interpersonally exploitative
7. Lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her.
9. Shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes.”

What does it mean if someone does have NPD?

If someone does have “Narcissistic Personality Disorder” they can, indeed, wake up, see a Tweet or a news report from a foreign leader criticizing him, mocking him, calling him “weak” or threatening his ego in any way and order some kind of impulsive, vindictive, punishing, immediate response that could include an unhinged order to attack that foreign leader or foreign country with military force, even including the authorization of nuclear weapons.

It is extremely likely that there would be some kind of impulsive, angry diplomatic response.

Because someone afflicted with this incurable and progressive “Narcissistic Personality Disorder” simply can’t help himself.

Here’s why:

1. People with NPD are extremely sensitive and insecure. They psychologically require constant compliments and acknowledgement because they do not have their own internal self-esteem. They need to get it from others.

2. If someone does criticize them, even in a Tweet or on a television comedy show, it triggers this deep and painful lack of self-esteem and they MUST lash out to relieve the pain of the criticism.

3. They have only two modes: They are either fully your friend and love you or you are their enemy and they will do everything to discredit you or humiliate you. They can’t help it. The pain of having someone in their circle who does not approve of them or acknowledge them, (almost constantly), is too great.

4. There are only two ways to deal with someone with NPD, and they are both dangerous. There is no healthy way of interacting with someone with this affliction. If you criticize them they will lash out at you and if they have a great deal of power, that can be consequential. If you compliment them it only acts to increase the delusional and grandiose reality the sufferer has created, causing him to be even more reliant on constant and endless compliments and unwavering support.

5. Because they crave the attention and approval of others they develop great capacity to engage and entertain and can be quite charismatic, even to the point of developing a cult-like following.

6. Someone with NPD will NEVER get along with any member of the press, or any media outlet that criticizes him.

7. Someone with NPD will NEVER hire (and will fire) anyone who criticizes him. Therefore, and because they believe they know better than almost everyone else, they have a very hard time listening and taking any advice.

Concerns Expressed by Mental Health Professionals

The President of The United State and Commander in Chief is the only American who has ANY say over the mobilization of The United States Military, the authorization of a military strike on a perceived or real enemy and the launch of any and all of the weapons possessed by The United States Military, including 7,000 nuclear warheads.

There is no “Fail Safe”. There is no “Team”. There is no thoughtful review.

The National Security Advisor, The Secretary of Defense, The Secretary of State, The Joint Chiefs of State and every General in the military can all emphatically say “NO!” but if The Commander in Chief wants to initiate military and even nuclear action, NO ONE can stop him. American law does not allow a military officer to make those decisions.

Only a civilian, The President, elected by The American People can access the nuclear codes. Only that President can use the nuclear codes.

And if he does, the military is duty bound to follow his order.

A President and Commander in Chief who does have Narcissistic Personality Disorder would be very dangerous to all Americans, and the world.

Note: A Clinical Psychologist wrote the author to confirm (and expand upon) the dire analysis of Dr. Lynne Meyer and the concerns of the 3 Professors in this article. It is worth including here, especially her very unique perspectives on the role of Trump’s daughter Ivanka.

“Dr. Meyer is spot on in her assessment in the video. It is particularly good to hear her make the distinction between mental illness and personality disorders with their pervasive, inflexible, permanently fixed and incurable patterns of pathological behavior. This is one aspect of Trump’s problem that’s routinely misunderstood, even by some experts.

She also makes an excellent observation, among many, about Trump’s grandiosity being behind his refusal to have daily intelligence briefings.

Another, and related reason is the fact that he is cognitively so limited that such briefings make no sense to him (and that’s why he wants Ivanka, for example, or Jared with him during similar occasions, to help him understand what’s being said). Additionally, and also relatedly, his profoundly deficient attention makes it impossible for him to focus on any stimuli that do not provide him with adulation. He’s quickly bored by and dismissive of anything that does not have to do with himself.

The point about him getting worse in the future also cannot be overstated. An increasing paranoia combined with growing sadistic vindictiveness is pretty much a given. We have seen it consistently in other leaders, past and present, with this character defect.

And being so impulsive and without a conscience, he won’t stop for a moment before putting his primitive impulses into action. Those who believe that they can somehow “control” him, or that our democratic “checks and balances” can withstand the collusion between his personal pathology and that of his willing sycophants, are deluded, I’m afraid.

The man is unfit to run a lemonade stand, much less a country. That so many have decided to ignore his profound character defect, or turn it into an asset in their eyes, is horrific, but, sadly, not surprising”

And please read the Manifesto, it's important.

As a European, I find CNN reports the same news as other prestigious networks around the world.

"I take it you mean a new war. The U.S. has been at war for decades and is at war as we speak. By the way, Obama was at war for the entire eight years of his presidency. So, yeah, American presidents kill lots of people. It's a tradition."

True that Americans waged various forms of imperialistic wars. This war would be different. On this path, with Trump as POTUS, there will be civil war (as I said in November, I don't believe a dictatorship is possible in the US without civil war happening) and he will also go for world domination, possibly starting with the American continent, and then attack other random countries. This is a consequence of his condition, he can't help to do otherwise.
The more he stays in office, the higher the risk for that, and for nuclear war.

"My dear LeeLoo, you know I'm not going to let this go unchallenged, right? Trump has been in office for 12 days, so I think it's premature to assess his presidency. But, I'd make an exception for a seer who has attained the "clear mirror of prophesy" as distinguished from a "hazy mirror."

There is no room for interpretation in regards to him, in my mind, based on his biography and personality alone. If anyone were to have any doubts, there is no room for interpretation in my mind for blatantly racist, sexist, discriminatory, hateful, compulsively lying words and deeds, and never will be. Let there be a room in your mind for that. Case closed to me since I first heard the Trump.

"A recent Reuters/Ipsos poll found that 49% of Americans support the ban on seven Muslim countries, 41% disagreed. So, a plurality supports it. He's also getting opposition in Congress for his nominees and he can't overrule Congress with executive orders on that. So this doesn't support the notion he's a dictator. "

The poll will fluctuate a lot, even over a few days, with his upcoming actions. He is a dictator at core because of his personality. No matter what he is given to rule, a bonfire party or a country, he can be but a dictator. His actions so far are classical by-the-book dictator words, actions and behavior. With the help of all those sinister figures around him, he is working now to centralize power for absolute domination (the rest of the arguments you can find in GU2) and conducting a coup against democratic values.

"I don't think we agree on this. The struggle between light and dark is one we are all engaged in, not only Trump. Like IQ, I have a more nuanced view of him. I agree that he's going to do bad things, but he's also going to do good things."

Yes, he will do good by making people realize they don't want someone like him and what he represents to happen again, that those days are over, and the past I described is now dead.
To add an astrology metaphor , this will be the highest frequency of his Sun/Uranus/NN conjunction in Gemini in the 10th: becoming the guiding light of widespread commitment to Aquarian values, from all walks of life, with leaving the past behind.

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posted February 02, 2017 08:10 AM              

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The Nodal Axis in Trump’s chart

This is a probe of Trump’s nodal axis in the context of Steven Forrest’s “Evolutionary Astrology,” which is a method of reading a chart in terms of past lives. Evolutionary Astrology deals specifically with the intersection of astrology and reincarnation. I became intrigued with Forrest’s work after reading his analyses of the charts of Agatha Christie and Lee Harvey Oswald, and a later discussion with a friend, which impressed me by how this method corroborated a psychic reading of a past life. So I thought it might be valuable to explore what may be gleaned about Trump’s past incarnations that are playing out in the current one.

The South Node indicates positive, subconscious endowments we have obtained and achieved in past lives, but there is also something off kilter about the South Node and a certain caution needs to be exercised when examining it. There is a negative connotation associated with it. In Trump’s chart, the South Node conjunct the Moon shows a strong need or instinct to nurture and protect, also strong feelings for one’s family or clan. But, given that it’s the South Node conjunct the Moon, there’s a darker implication. The quincunx to Saturn in the 11H suggests maybe being smothered by his clan or family. But that’s not all. One of the ideas of Evolutionary Astrology is that a planet conjunct the South Node is similar to that planet conjunct the Sun in a previous life, meaning that the person was defined and identified by that planet. So, according to this idea, Trump’s Moon conjunct the South Node would play out like a Sun-Moon conjunction in a previous life. This suggests that Trump’s identity in a former life was aligned with and largely influenced by his emotions. He brought with him into this life a tendency to view life and other people subjectively and in a self-centered way. He has residual traits carried over from previous lives of a tendency to be self-serving and opportunistic, especially given the conjunction in a fire sign.

The same theme is repeated by the South Node’s position in the 4H: that in the past Trump was defined by family, possibly with a strong tie to his roots and the land. Tribal awareness and loyalty to and within the tribe is probably ingrained in him. This characteristic is something I think we now see on a larger stage in his embrace of nationalism - “America First,” his rejection of globalism and neoliberal trade policies that hurt the American worker. We also see that members of his family are important figures and advisors in his administration. People he regards as family and who are loyal are probably the kinds of people who make up his inner circle. Again, his natal Saturn in Cancer resonates with the themes of his South Node/Moon in the 4H.

The South Node in Sagittarius in the 4H may indicate that there was some tension between a need for belonging, tradition, stability and security that family bonds offer and a wanderlust and restlessness of spirit more aligned with adventure and future possibilities. He may also have been strongly influenced by belief systems if not by religion within his family or clan which may be another component of the tension between beliefs and attitudes adopted from the family system and a set of beliefs and ideas that evidently he has yet to discover as a unique, self-aware individual as indicated by his Leo Ascendant. Another possibility is that there may have been a search for home that amounted to a quest, for example as a result of religious persecution in his or her native country in that lifetime.

Forrest states that a person with South Node in Sagittarius “has fallen into patterns of collusion that led to the denial of truths that ran counter to expectations—and it is a short step from fundamentalist Islam or Christianity in a past life to fundamentalist New Age thinking today.” [This made me think of Trump’s denial of climate change and whether psychologically ISIS could represent an aspect of the shadow within himself and more broadly the shadow of the West]. “Karmically, with the south node in Sagittarius, the issue he or she has come here to resolve is a compulsive addiction to certainty.” It’s possible that the South Node and its placements may offer clues regarding his desire to protect our borders and control immigration.

The ruler of the South Node is also important to consider. It’s sign and house position give further clues to the past life story. The ruler of the South Node is Jupiter in Libra in the 2H. It may be that the family or clan’s social position and perhaps very survival was secured and dependent upon maintaining its wealth. So this placement suggests a prominent social position of wealth, privilege and high status. In the present, this makes me think of all the building he’s done and Trump Tower being designated by the family name, although Saturn in Cancer, and the security that owning land gives, is also a factor in this.

Trump presents himself as a champion of the working class who denounced the ruling class elites in his inauguration speech. And yet, he’s appointed a number of billionaires to his cabinet. I suspect this contradiction can be accounted for in part by his South Node Achilles heel. He’s a billionaire. They’re billionaires. He’s one of them and that’s what his 11H Saturn needs to feel, so he’s appointing members of his club to key positions in his administration. It seems to me the security needs that are satisfied by wealth may be what’s blinding him to a broader imperative to safeguard the environment. So, the Keystone Pipeline and the Dakota Access Pipeline will probably get the green light because his investments are at stake.

The 10H placement of Trump’s North Node suggests that Trump’s evolution is linked to his emergence from the confines and conditioning of his family and engagement with the outer world in a public role. He has extraordinary support for this given the North Node conjunctions with the Sun and Uranus and the trines to Jupiter. The Leo Ascendant and Sun conjunct Uranus bolster an evolutionary impulse toward uniqueness and individuality. With regard to the “evolutionary intention” of North Node in Gemini, Forrest states that the focus is on receptive listening and dialogue, a fluid and dynamic mentality open to influxes of new information and new perspectives. This is Uranus in Gemini, which is conjunct the North Node. This is the direction he’s heading in his evolution. We see this to some extent in his listening sessions with various groups and interests. But, it remains to be seen how decisive the emerging influence of the North Node will be during his presidency. Will he be successful and stand up to the deep state or will he gradually be turned by these forces to maintain their power and influence? I believe he’d be in a stronger position to oppose the deep state if Uranus was conjunct the South Node. That would have given him an already acquired capacity for boldness and breaking with the status quo. But it’s the North Node on Uranus so it’s an ability he’s learning to embody and exercise.

I think if he is to succeed at being the kind of president the country needs, it will depend on his overcoming the regressive aspects of the South Node/4H/Cancer and whether or not he can align with his soul and the “will to illumine,” meaning knowledge and a true self-awareness ascribed to his Leo Ascendant.

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Thank you for this thoughtful, complex, interesting analysis. As stated, my evaluation of Trumps' personality/evolution is different.

Belage, interesting points

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posted February 02, 2017 04:52 PM            

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Nine,

"LeeLoo, It's not clear to me what you mean by "turning point of recoil" and what you're saying here.

A couple of questions I have are to what extent, if any, will Trump break with or confront the geopolitical goals of the deep state. There is continuity of the deep state or shadow government, no matter who the president is and what party is in power.

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Fabulous astrology. However, we might have read different history books.

posted February 02, 2017 05:30 PM            

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A couple of questions I have are to what extent, if any, will Trump break with or confront the geopolitical goals of the deep state. There is continuity of the deep state or shadow government, no matter who the president is and what party is in power.

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Well, he's said repeatedly that his Presidency will be for the benefit of the American people. Thus, he's the People's President.

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Trump and his people are one of the effigies of this dying past, so he crystallizes it in order to be denied and destroyed: a catalyst for irreversible change towards Aqua.

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I disagree. Trump's win is a symbol of the future. After the Soviet Union won WW2, everyone wanted to become communist. After the USSR collapsed, and the USA was the undisputed #1, everyone wanted an OPEN MARKET economy. Now that China is fast, is not yet, becoming the #1 economy, everyone wants to emulate their top-sown style of governance. It is human nature to follow the leader. The most exciting & talked about country has a conservative political style, so that is what people will want for themselves.

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This is why in this particular astrological combination he is Saturn in Cancer ( the recoiled past, the voice of the past, and the "ambassador" of it, Hermes). Saturn in Cancer here also stands for the callousness of this past in contrast with the much stronger humanitarian values of present and future, coinciding with higher global empathy as a result of globalization (being in constant touch with diversity), typical of Aqua.[quote]

Or, Saturn in Cancer could mean; Get your house is order.

[quote]He IS the deep state and the ruling elites, and has been since birth, as you described those (Saturn in Cancer = deep state, the tumor that needs to be removed).

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The Deep State wants a new Cold War. Trump doesn't. DS wants TPP. Trump doesn't. He isn't the Deep State, he is the People's President. The American people.

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"He could suffer a crushing defeat during this transit, from an ego standpoint, but in a deeper context, may actually aid him in his evolution."

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He just scored an improbable win. Saturn also rewards effort.

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Due to his condition, Trump actually goes for world domination. He won't be able to help himself against that.

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Now you're sounding irrational.

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My opinion and analysis at this point is that on this path, with him as POTUS, war is imminent. Civil war in the US (high risk for it due to civilians being armed, a rare occurrence in nowadays global context) and international war (and of course, we all know
wars at this level have a high risk of being catastrophic). But in my opinion he will be stopped in due time, when the lesson he is supposed to bring is sufficiently understood and integrated. The cost of the process is of great concern though.

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In the last 100 years humanity has witnessed the mighty British Empire come to an end. The mighty Soviet Empire collapse. Now it appears the American Empire is headed down the same road. This is the reason for all the uncertainty.

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As for the timing of when this happens, I am still working on a complex transit analysis of this and will post it here, so far it looks like about a year from now, as a possible window for that: 2018.

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Pluto leaves Capricorn in 2023. The New World Order/dust will settle by then.

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Most dictatorships have an average of 40 years. His ascension being stopped is consistent with his upcoming transits and mostly with his overall natal chart, which shows no signs of persistent political leadership.

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Trump is a dictator? Now I'm starting to think I've been wasting my time responding here.

posted February 02, 2017 06:54 PM              

You want to talk history? Start with ABC, with the dinosaurs and move yourself to Yalta, perhaps jump the wall to Mao, if you feel brave enough, if you feel you've gained some experience. Try zigzagging, it builds za little grey cells.

It didn't work, did it? Our honeymoon is over, what to do? We're forced by circumstances to go back to square one.

We'll try again another time

Thank you, Polka I didn't know you're heavy Plutonian.

PS: 2018 is a window out for Trump.
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posted February 02, 2017 08:20 PM            

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I am from Romania, fighting communists right now, just like for 60 years.

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Ooops, sorry I didn't know that. Thought you were a native speaker pulling my strings.

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Nobody ever wanted to be communist, not even Russia or China

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The Russian Republic was poor, backward, and illiterate. The communists made them into a superpower. Same for China - vast, backward, hungry! Today China is the biggest economy on the planet. India, otoh, never had a communist revolution and the results telling.

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...just like nobody will buy your little fascist American dream.

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The USA is still a global empire, with a high standard of living. They don't need Fascism.

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I am from Romania, fighting communists right now, just like for 60 years. You will not want to say any other enormity about communism, trust me, unless you want to cry a river of embarrassment

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If you're still fighting communists twenty-six years after the monster was buried, perhaps the killing was premature. And, people and now coming to their senses.

My understanding of the period is; the socialist experiment was working fine. Someone got greedy, borrowed money from the capitalists. When he couldn't make his payments he took it from the people, and their standard of living suffered. Suffering not because Socialism wasn't working, people were suffering because the country's assets had to head west to pay capitalist debts. Him & Her were removed, and the country was opened fully to the wolves.

posted February 02, 2017 09:29 PM              

As for your obsession with everything Bigly, the Bigly it is, the bigger the fall.

Try to use your Pluto for your own good, will you? and for sending that which comes from knowledge and love: an informed, positive, uplifting, friendly message. Open the window and say bye to the ghost who taught you to hate yourself. It's no longer an excuse. The universe is waiting around the corner to love you and be loved by you.

So talk to you about history lessons 5,000 years from now. Unless the Clockwork Orange continues to play Tweet Tweet Hurray with the Persians and other legends, which might turn USA into a peaceful sea between Canada and Mexico. Iran has played Age of Empires for almost 10,000 years now, they've seen and made many USAs rise and fall.

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