posted January 18, 2017 06:11 AM            

This is hilarious, considering what Hillary Clinton does.

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posted January 18, 2017 06:12 AM              

Some examples:

Lincoln - Pluto/Jupiter stellium in the 1st, highly aspected, tight Saturn/Neptune/MC conj

Roosevelt - highly aspected stellium with all these planets

Stalin - Mars/Saturn/Pluto wedge, Jupiter conj NN, very aspected Neptune

Hitler - Saturn in Leo near MC, sq Mars/Venus, Pluto/Neptune conj in the 8th linked to Moon/Jupiter conj

Mao - Saturn near MC, connected to highly aspected Jupiter, Mars opp Jupiter, highly aspected Pluto/Neptune conj

Churchill - Mars conj Jupiter Kite connected to nodal axis conj Neptune and Saturn, highly aspected Pluto

Napoleon - Jupiter rising in the 1st house in mega Castle with Mars, Neptune, Pluto; Saturn opp Moon

Mitterrand - Pluto conj MC, Leo Saturn/Neptune in mega T/sq with Jupiter and Sun/Moon/Merc stellium

Thatcher - Saturn con ASC in Wedge with Pluto and Jupiter, Mars/Jupiter/Pluto T/sq, Moon/Neptune on MC

Merkel - Mars in the 1st in Minor Triangle with Pluto and Saturn/Neptune on MC; Saturn/Neptune sq Sun/Uranus, Jupiter/Mercury in the 7th highly aspected to the above, Moon opp Pluto

Putin - Sun/Saturn/Neptune stellium in MT, with Mars and Pluto (conj MC), highly aspected Jupiter in the 7th

Jinping - Sun/Mars in MT with Neptune/Saturn and Pluto

DT's chart is unusual in this respect, it lacks this men/women of state formula. Saturn, Pluto, Neptune and even Jupiter qualify as "weak" in his chart.

To be noted: highly aspected means aspects between that planet and personal planets + angles.

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posted January 18, 2017 06:27 AM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
He has sun conjunct NN, and I've been especially fascinated by his draconic chart and the draconic transits.

Here is his draconic chart, draconic transits on Election Day:

5 Gemini, transiting draconic sun
5 Gemini, his draconic Mars

14 Cancer, transiting draconic Venus
15 Cancer, his draconic Neptune

2 Taurus, transiting draconic Jupiter
3-4 Taurus, his draconic Venus-Saturn

29 Virgo, transiting draconic Neptune
0 Libra, his draconic moon

^^ A lot of romantic energy here. Men and women romanticizing him.

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Now things have been changing, and on Inauguration Day:

26 Leo, transiting draconic sun
26 Leo, his tropical Mars

(See that sun-Mars repetition? Similar to Election Day.)

16 Scorpio, transiting draconic Uranus
18 Taurus, transiting draconic Jupiter
19 Taurus, his draconic Pluto

^ More of a somber theme. And [b]check out these links between his natal/tropical chart and the draconic transits

19 Cancer, transiting draconic Saturn
23 Cancer, his tropical Saturn

6 Libra, transiting draconic Neptune
5 Libra, his tropical Neptune

13 Leo, transiting draconic Pluto
10 Leo, his tropical Pluto

14 Libra, his tropical Chiron
17 Libra, transiting draconic Chiron

^ Almost like he is a representative of the draconic "times" we are in, as defined by outer planets?

His natal Juno-Chiron-Jupiter @ 13-17° Libra will be conjunct transiting draconic Venus-Chiron-Mars @ 13-19° Libra.

So again there is this romantic energy: Neptune, Mars, Venus. The tropical planets may be squaring his sun and there is no shortage of dislike for this person, but those same planets in draconic are more or less conjunct his tropical Jupiter. Which helps account for the fact that some people think of him as an almost god-like figure. Jupiter. [/B]

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This is a most fascinating analysis. I would be inclined to connect this Jupiter theme you have discovered with his Uranus, considering that this is I think the tightest major aspect in his chart, and considering Uranus is, imo, his most prominent planet, among outers. Due to this connection, I would be inclined to think of Jupiter here as the "god of thunder".

He came to prominence under the huge Pisces stellium: Venus Mars Neptune Chiron and even Moon. This points to dream or illusion, imo, and the romance you describe is similar to a love dream/love ideal. Chiron as awakener in the love affair, this Chiron should take the flavor of his own Chiron: Chiron conj Jupiter and Juno in Libra: chirotic marriage. Mars Venus Neptune Moon is the honeymoon what do you think?

What do you think (and everyone else) of SN Lunar Eclipse at birth, in his case? and the connection with Draco?

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posted January 18, 2017 06:41 AM              

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Originally posted by Nine:
This was actually my question. What is the darkside of a Gemini leader?

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Omen or ominous herald. Leading to death. Thief. Conman. Bad or lack of diplomacy. Blocked roads. Noise. Scandal. Gossip. Mockery. Indiscretion. Infantilism (Hermetic - Hermes - main attributes).

All talk, no action. Unintelligent yet talkative. Mentally ill or unstable. (mind) Erratic. Twitting. Two-faced. Liar. Groper (hands). Traitor. Cheater. Fugitive. Lewd. Scandalous. Inconsistent. Histrionic. Provocative. Irresponsible. Socialite. Division. Diversion. Sellout. Disloyal. Cynicism. Ridicule. Demagogy. Rhetoric. Pettiness. Blather.

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posted January 18, 2017 07:04 AM            

he purposely exposes his flaws, so that everyone understands his position. the last thing people need, is someone trying to control everyone. trump instead says hello i am a baby, i make mistakes, but i am peaceful for the most part. hey look how flawed i am, "now think for yourselves, act for yourselves, do not depend on me, you are your own people"

hillary was the opposite, and instead of deliberately tossing responsibility away and showing the people they need to control themselves, she wanted to maintain status quo. everyone is lesser. she is the one in charge, she will make changes. she will do good for all. she is in power. trump is not like that, he says I AM FLAWED NOW CONTROL YOURSELVES, ACT FOR YOURSELVES.

he is more up to the times. i understand there is a couple racist things, the feminine thing is completely not a worry (no female is gonna get hurt), but i think the racist things will stop, and even if so they are people just being real with their feelings. i think it is better to express those feelings (not in killing, but letting loose words is not the worst thing). that is the only way to get closer to and understand someone, is to see what they have to say, and maybe after you hear what they say, you realize they misunderstood you this whole time. if they never said anything, you could never come closer to understand each other more.

posted January 18, 2017 07:09 AM              

How do you connect what you say about his personality/behavior with his chart?

Also, what do you think about the inauguration day, in comparison with his chart or not?

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posted January 18, 2017 07:13 AM            

besides poor people getting kicked out of the country, i hope that doesnt happen.

that is the only 1 thing that could be that bad.

for his chart he has leo rising so he is connected to the new just in aqua/leo age. he is in line with it more so than hillary who was a 12th house sun who thrived in the old age but isnt realizing it isnt the old age or old ways anymore. not the age where she thrived, it's a new age of self individualization.

posted January 18, 2017 07:32 AM              

I admire your efforts to keep this astrology-related, and there were some jewels of astrological analysis in here;

however Trump seems to be such a "hot topic", that keeping out personal bias (of whatever colour) is very hard to do (as I said there are some shining examples how to focus on astrology here, too; actually more than I expected when reading the topic title).

Still I wanted to give you and those doing great astrological analysis here my positive feedback.

posted January 18, 2017 11:50 AM              

As per the good suggestion, synastry between Donald Trump and the USA (Sibly chart)

and the Composite

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posted January 18, 2017 03:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Ami Anne:
[b]He wouldn't be threatening to expose people's secrets, if they disagree with him.

This is hilarious, considering what Hillary Clinton does.

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Not taking your bait.

posted January 18, 2017 03:56 PM            

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Originally posted by polkadotstars:
What does Pluto opposing Saturn mean? What will this bring?

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For me, it was a really rough transit, but it was meshed in with the Uranus-Pluto square hitting my Cardinal (and Saturn doing the same).

posted January 18, 2017 04:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Nine:
Pluto is a planet of destruction, thus is inherently anti Saturn/anti-establishment.

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posted January 19, 2017 03:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Losing the popular vote only means California wanted Hillary.

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Right.

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Trump IS a leader, so what in his chart shows that?

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Sun conjunct Uranus. Also, his success and good fortune in an outer world sense is shown by the Sun conjunct NN elevated in the 10H.

posted January 19, 2017 03:59 AM            

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Originally posted by Beautiful_Light:
Has any other world leader ever come into power during their Saturn opp Sun transit or Pluto opp Saturn transit, and how did it go for them?

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I'm not a historian, but I think Trump is the only president-elect who had the entire establishment, including his own party, the deep state, the intel community, and the corporate media against him, which is indicative of a Sun-Saturn opposition.

Saturn-Pluto cycles are linked to war, terrorism, and severe economic constrictions, but since the U.S. has been at war continuously for decades, that may not be a meaningful prediction. But, it's likely we'll see an economic and/or political crisis that Trump will have to deal with given the upcoming Saturn-Pluto conjunction beginning at the end of 2018, transiting the U.S. 2H (Sibley chart) at the same time as it opposes Trump's natal Venus-Saturn conjunction.

posted January 19, 2017 05:37 AM            

I will just share the chart. There are some hits by declination that are not seen here.

posted January 19, 2017 05:57 AM            

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Originally posted by peony:
I'm not a historian, but I think Trump is the only president-elect who had the entire establishment, including his own party, the deep state, the intel community, and the corporate media against him, which is indicative of a Sun-Saturn opposition.

Saturn-Pluto cycles are linked to war, terrorism, and severe economic constrictions, but since the U.S. has been at war continuously for decades, that may not be a meaningful prediction. But, it's likely we'll see an economic and/or political crisis that Trump will have to deal with given the upcoming Saturn-Pluto conjunction beginning at the end of 2018, transiting the U.S. 2H (Sibley chart) at the same time as it opposes Trump's natal Venus-Saturn conjunction.

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posted January 19, 2017 06:00 AM            

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Originally posted by GeminiKarat:
I stumbled across Alice Portman when I was looking for something totally different. She makes a Synastry chart with the very 1. POTUS to find answers.

I will just share the chart. There are some hits by declination that are not seen here.

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posted January 19, 2017 07:32 AM              

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posted January 19, 2017 08:17 AM              

Particularly Moon/Mars. Moon/Mars opp DW in synastry becomes an exact Moon/Mars opp on MC/IC in the composite, with Mars ruling the DSC and Moon ruling the MC.

What is most impressive about it is that Trump's main structure in his natal chart is this theme. A Sun/Moon opp on nodal axis with Uranus, in aspect with Mars/Asc: that Wedge, as the center of his chart. It's his main theme. Trump and this US chart have a siamese aspect, the Moon/Mars trine. The US has an air Moon/Mars trine to which Trump brings this structure (his own Moon/Mars/Sun/Uranus/NN Wedge) forming a Mystic Rectangle.

This composite Moon/Mars opp on MC/IC looks rather belligerent and quite tense to me.

This opposition axis will be fed by Virgo Neptune in the 12th, 6th house ruler. This points to secrets and plots, healing vs. health problems. tSaturn/Juno/Pholus applying to sq that Neptune.

However, cSun, 11th house ruler is part of a tight stable structure with Saturn (IC ruler, home and structure) and Pluto (2nd house ruler, more structure), a Minor Triangle peaking in Saturn in the 11th. That should be a very stable structure, right now you can see it exactly aligns itself on tNN. Also cJuno conj ASC and chart ruler Venus conj NN. BUT, cGem Uranus peregrine in the 8th, also conjunct USA DSC is usually descriptive of sudden, unexpected beginnings and endings of a relationship, particularly ending in this case (the 8th).

The transits to this composite are astounding, with tNN conj Saturn exact, Sun conj Pholus(1), Uranus (mr Trump's planet) conj DSC and Vx (1). cVx/DSC is common for relationships. tJupiter conj ASC. tPluto squaring the angles and making a Cardinal Grand Cross with cChiron/Venus/Mercury.

Another source of surprise is peregrine cJupiter (conj Trump's own Mars/ASC) opening the 11th house in quincunx with the Moon. The surprise has a 3rd and 11th house flavor (communications, groups). tNN already passed by there, so this could have been the surprise, or it happens now, as activated by the Pisces stellium forming subsequent Yods as of the 20th, or it happens when tSun conj cEris/Ceres which is going to be around the 12th of February. More like a concerted energy coming from both sources.

Anyway, there is so much to be seen in these charts.

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posted January 19, 2017 08:38 AM              

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posted January 19, 2017 08:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
I disliked Nine before this thread, so it has nothing to do with Trump.

But I'm sorry for derailing, and I'm going to leave the thread.

Adios

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posted January 19, 2017 08:56 AM            

someone with mars from 12 conjunct 1st house cusp trine his ruler sun from 10 house and moon from 4th? hum, can we say that he express FOR THE COLLECTIVE unconscious anger and the fighting spirit. he also become a vehicle for the security needs of his home or country.

his neptune in 2nd. lol.. no wonder nobody knows how much he really has..