posted January 17, 2017 05:17 PM              

89freespirit, I find your analysis very fascinating (btw I'm a huge fan of your Pluto natal aspects series ). Those transits will be so very hard for him to handle. I suppose we'll see how he'll cope.

I think there's a misunderstanding here as my english is not my 1st language. I'm not talking about managing big corporations, I'm talking about leading a whole nation. In business, you can be audacious, you can take risk. But leading a whole nation requires strategy and being vigilant, you can't take risk with millions of lives.

posted January 17, 2017 05:20 PM            

@ Tulipe and the89freespirit I do understand your astrological take on this chart and it resonates a lot with what I think.

posted January 17, 2017 05:44 PM            

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Originally posted by soren:
from baba vanga: the 44th president (who she predicted was black) will be the last acting president of the US. what this means is that presidents will no longer take major changes, rather they will just be a figure.

the most important thing in this time is for people to let out emotions and feelings and trust in the intuitive forces of time. if we can not express ourselves, then what are we. if we can, then we are alive. if ourselves are dangerous, then we discover we are monsters. but really god has been with us all this time. if we can express ourselves, it means we trust in god.

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All presidents are puppets of the elite, except for JFK. Last president could mean that Trump becomes a dictator, is president of the DIVIDED states, gets assassinated on inauguration day (many astrologers and psychics predict he won't even make a full term), a president that wasn't elected by the people as he lost the popular vote, etc. But the president never TRULY runs the country as that is the Illuminati/Bilderberg Group (Loch Brothers, Soros, Murdoch, Buffett, Gates, Kissinger, Rockefellers, Rothschilds, etc.).

posted January 17, 2017 05:54 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
He's one of only 45 people who ever lived who has the honor of being President. He overcame insurmountable odds to do so. He's a winner. What reflects this?

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posted January 17, 2017 05:55 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Losing the popular vote only means California wanted Hillary. In the electoral college, it was a landslide-- with Hillary suffering a veritable beating. Trump IS a leader, so what in his chart shows that?

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You have to be a natural leader to overcome ALL the terrible odds stacked against him, but I believe God intervened, really.

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posted January 17, 2017 06:00 PM              

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posted January 17, 2017 06:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
First, I was addressing the comment that his chart didn't show leadership. Second, he's already shown great leadership by getting thousands of jobs to stay and return to the country. He's a man of action. If you want to talk weak leaders, they don't get any weaker than Obama, with his bowing to a Saudi king, the empty red line threat he cowered from, and apologizing to terrorists.

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I'm sorry LeeLoo, maybe if it would have been just another user I would have just cruised the forum as per usual and not bothered with a reply, BUT
It amazes me that someone who is a webmaster on this forum is going so far away from the topic at hand, which is ASTROLOGY, to sing the praises of this awful reality show straw man, who has the Ku Klux Klan and the alt-right rallying behind him. Yes, not every person who supports Donald Trump is racist, misogynistic or bigoted (many of them are just naive or delusional), but you can bet that all the racists, misogynists and bigots support Donald Trump. How any decent person with common sense can hear that man talk and see the people he surrounds himself with and still believe him to be an okay person, not to mention a COMPETENT adult fit for the presidency of the most powerful nation in the world is beyond me. And I know this won't make an ounce of a difference for you, because if one year and a half of seeing Trump in all his glory brought you to the conclusion that he is a great leader, then you are beyond the scope of reason, but still..
You want a man of action, really, that's your definition of leadership? That's how most criminals end up behind bars - acting without thinking, which is what your boy Donnie does. Sure, Obama is a weakling for not starting a war during his presidency! No worries, Donie will take care of that. After all, in his first ever briefing as future potus, he asked THREE times why the USA cannot use the nuclear weapons they have. Oh yeah, that's a man of action all right.. He's not even taken office yet, and he's already ****** off China, Mexico, Germany, he is encouraging the dissolution of the EU and is questioning support for NATO allies. He's destabilizing the entire world with his thoughtless words and REactions! and putting all 7 billions of us in danger in the process.
ANd back home he's not doing better either. He's promised to "drain the swamp" and yet he filled his cabinet with Goldman Sachs people and other billionaires. His choice for the Environmental protection agency is a man who doesn't believe in climate change! REx Tillerson, his nomination for secretary of state, is the former ceo of exxon, the epitome of big oil. He cannot wait to lift those sanctions on Russia which are now so cumbersome for his industry, and if he gets nominated he will do exactly that. Trump's nomination for attorney general is a racist dinosaur who David Duke of all people thinks is a great choice for "taking America back". At his hearings last week he actually admitted to saying "justice has to be saved from secular, progressive liberals" and when prompted that "a secular person has just as good a claim to understanding the truth as a person who is religious, correct?" he literally answered "well... *smirk, pause*."
Do yourself a favor and stop listening to fox news and get some actual FACTS. You will find that Trump;s "entertaining" shows and his flailing his arms around like a demented person and his angry tweets are hiding some very sinister moves with grave consequences for all of us.
As for the thousands of jobs your hero has supposedly brought back, please understand that the correct thinking is in terms of unemployment rate. Aka, %. A thousand jobs is a drop in the ocean.
Again, I don't expect you to logically understand this, but a man who has conned people his entire life and only hung out with rich people and who lives in a GOLD TOWER knows nothing about the struggles of the everyday man, nor does he give a flying rat about them as people, only as a mindless audience, only as a spotlight for him to bask in. Only as cheers and boos as he directs it. He has skin about as thick as a baby mouse and gets riled up by literally anyone who puts their mind to it. He's irrational and explosive and vengeful and how people like you can see those as qualities, in a person who holds the fates of so many nations in his hands, is beyond me. Oh yes, he's a tough guy, not like weak Obama.. what is this, the battle of the amazonian tribes? we are talking about a profoundly interconnected world, and multiple nations with nuclear weapons! Diplomacy and political knowledge are of the utmost importance and trump has neither. His tough talk with zero to back it up can get us all killed, literally.
Man, the Russians must be laughing their a**es off at every state meeting, and rubbing their hands with glee every time they turn on the news. But Trump is too far up his own a** to see that, he's too busy singing Putin's praises and gagging the press and of course performing his strongman routine for all you people out there who are so easily blinded.
As far as I'm concerned, you deserve your hero leader Trump and everything he will bring you. Too bad you will drag the entire world down with you.

Oh, and by your logic, Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin.. they are all members of a select group of people who got to be in charge of a powerful nation, man look at the leadership on those guys, and how well that turned out for the world! Pffft.

posted January 17, 2017 06:22 PM            

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Strong Saturn because I see maturity and responsibility as very important. Sure you can be anti-system with Uranus, but you need Saturn to take care of the aftermath. What's the point of breaking structure and leaving chaos behind? Who will take care of the mess?
Strong Pluto because in order to lead you have to understand power and its destructive force to use it wisely. I know a lot of leaders understand the power game and abuse it, but a good one who is conscious of power will make a difference.

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posted January 17, 2017 06:42 PM            

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Originally posted by teasel:

In a few years, Pluto will oppose his Saturn.

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posted January 17, 2017 06:56 PM            

I don't have time now but synastry of the US and Trump would be more compatible than HRC. And given the Saturn in Sag transit, the election was a way to force America re-assess what the country is made off. So while the transit is tough on Trump, it's meant to be tough on the US as well and Trumps sun is in the US 7th house, which is the shadow side. Trump projected something that has always been a part of the US hidden images but once Trump won, it's like Saturn on the Asc telling us all we are stuck in a bad marriage.

And ppl start to speak out (Sag). Green Day at the AMA was a spontaneous protest but that's the effects of Trump of Americans.

It's funny the same ppl who put down Obama are the same ones who say Trump is a part of 45 extraordinary leaders who overcome challenges. While the former was born to a biracial, poor, intellectual couple, was the first black leader at Harvard Law review journal, and the latter was born to rich family with a father who bailed him out of his failed business. Btw DNC really set HRC up for the 2008 election too but Obama got out of that alive. So yes, Bernie was great but compared to Obama, definitely nig as good.

Oh not only that, the market for president candidates is small and exclusive. Usually you have to be interested in holding an elected office, have money or well connected. And the first Black president is somehow presumed to overcome less challenges? When did facts stop being facts?

posted January 17, 2017 07:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
That derogatory post was very astrological, wasn't it? The alt right is only a few hundred members. A drop in the bucket. For those thousands of jobs, in particular the ones that were saved, like employees at Carrier, it made all the difference. They were able to have a good Christmas. It was symbolic. The point is that he kept his word, and he's not even POTUS yet. His economic policies will attract billions in foreign investments, as well as attracting many more businesses to America, turning thousands of new jobs into millions.

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The Nation needs a strong leader. Trump is that leader.

posted January 18, 2017 03:19 AM              

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Originally posted by Nine:
Pluto is a planet of destruction, thus is inherently anti Saturn/anti-establishment.

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