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jwhop
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posted August 07, 2010 05:53 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah, and the demoscats sank America deeper into the debt pit for our children and grandchildren to pay back.

That didn't need to happen seeing as how there were about $700 Billion in untapped TARP and so called Stimulus funds which could have and should have been used.

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posted August 07, 2010 05:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
None of what you said refutes what I've said, jwhop. You can keep trying to call people stupid, but it only reflects poorly on your own ability to judge.

If the tax cuts expire it will be primarily the fault of Republicans. Straight up. No ifs ands or buts about it. If they were to get on board with Obama and the Democrats plan we'd see only the taxes on the top 2% increase.

Super-genius Palin doesn't understand, and you stand with her.

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posted August 07, 2010 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
demoscats are in charge of the House, the Senate and the White House. Your crack analysis seemed to have missed that important point acoustic.

There is nothing Republicans could do to stop any bill to extend the Bush tax cuts..not that they would.

If the Bush tax cuts expire the blame for the $3.8 Trillion tax hike can, should and will be laid squarely on their doorstep.

Something else for the brain dead demoscats to explain to the folks back home...as if they don't have enough explaining to do already. So much explaining to do that demoscats don't want to show up at town hall meetings to meet and greet their own constituents.

Neither do most of them want O'Bomber anywhere in their districts or states.

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posted August 08, 2010 01:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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demoscats are in charge of the House, the Senate and the White House. Your crack analysis seemed to have missed that important point acoustic.

I didn't MISS the point. The point doesn't matter. If Republicans got on board with the President's plan most of the Bush tax cuts would continue forward. End of story. Republicans have a choice on this, and they can avert Palin's own invented trajedy.

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There is nothing Republicans could do to stop any bill to extend the Bush tax cuts..not that they would.

Great. Then there's nothing to debate here. The budget will pass eventually, and since Obama must sign off, he will hopefully stick to his guns and achieve exactly what he's set forward as his plan in February of this year. In doing so, he and the Democrats will make Palin look crazy for suggesting there wasn't a plan when there has been since February of this year.

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posted August 08, 2010 07:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
If the Republicans got onboard with Prez Teleprompter's plan?

There is no plan. What about this is unclear to you? O'Bomber has said something similar to..."I'm for clean water".

Only in knucklehead leftistland is that a plan.

There's no Bill in the House or Senate to get "onboard with". What about this is unclear to you acoustic.

Time sequence is very important acoustic...like context.

Sarah Palin is right. There is no plan to extend the Bush tax cuts in the present. It's in the present that Sarah Palin is speaking.

The American majority want the Bush tax cuts extended for everyone.

Far from Sarah Palin looking crazy, she's hitting all the high points in showing off O'Bomber's incompetence...and his Socialist pals in Congress too.

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posted August 08, 2010 09:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is my favorite line:

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The American majority want the Bush tax cuts extended for everyone

Which American Majority? The majority of 1,000 in a Poll?

and 1,000 people polled do not want those that make over a quarter million a year to go back to the Clinton tax scale? Which wasn't the highest btw.
They do not care so much for fiscal responsibility or solvency?

Maybe you need to be reminded that there was a surplus because of the Clinton Tax structure. Whatever is said about Clinton, he left with money in the till.

The majority do not want the top 2% to again pay their fair share????

Your right, it must be 1,000 people who feel that way.

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yes node, the 1000 people were culled from the vip lounge of first class customers at the airport...and the floor of the stock exchange.

and you can be sure they did NOT include obama supporters since THEY apparently are "not likely to vote".

and apparently sour'n pallid hasn't heard it is unwise to peak too early in your bid for office...

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posted August 08, 2010 10:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hahaha "laughing:

Poll after poll after poll show Americans are enraged that the prez and Congress passed O'BomberCare over their objections.

Poll after poll after poll show Americans want O'BomberCare repealed outright...not fixed...because they don't think O'BomberCare can be fixed. It's that bad.

Poll after poll after poll show support for O'Bomber and the Socialist demoscats in Congress collapsed...after they passed O'BomberCare.

So, you can bloviate about all these O'BomberCare resisters being dredged up by pollsters from the ranks of those found on the NY Stock Exchange but that won't fly on Main Street.

ps: have we ever had a President named Sarah?

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posted August 08, 2010 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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There is no plan. What about this is unclear to you? O'Bomber has said something similar to..."I'm for clean water".

There is a plan. There's been a plan since February like I said. Node even posted a link directly to Obama's plan straight from the White House. The only thing that's unclear is why you or Sarah Palin would believe otherwise.

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Far from Sarah Palin looking crazy, she's hitting all the high points in showing off O'Bomber's incompetence

She can't look anything but crazy considering that Obama has lined out precisely which of the Bush tax cuts he'd like to maintain, and which he'd like to let expire.

Now here's Node's link once again in case you missed it:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/budget/fy2011/assets/budget.pdf

If you want to keep it simple, here's Fox News' factsheet on it:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/02/01/federal-budget-factsheet-fiscal-year/

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posted August 08, 2010 12:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There is NO PLAN. There's a presidential wish list which the Congress has not enacted and do not intend to enact with legislation.

That Presidential wish list is the 2011 so called budget. The Congress has failed to produce ANY budget for year 2011 even though the deadline for doing so was April 15th...and Congress has no plans to produce a budget for 2011. Perhaps you're not keeping up with the news. If you were, you'd know passing a budget for 2011 is not on demoscats list of things to do.

Dan Calabrese: Take that, PolitiFact: Sarah Palin’s Relentless Assault on Media Disinformation
By Doug Brady

Dan Calabrese at the Northstar National has written a piece about Governor Palin's fearless willingness to take on media bias and distortions from left-wing media organizations while other Republicans don't have the, dare I say, cojones to do anything about it. Calabrese first discusses the recent attempt by Politifact to "take Governor Palin to task" for merely stating a fact: Obama and the Democrat Party have no formal plan to extend the Bush tax cuts for anyone, the absence of which will result in a $3.8 trillion tax increase over the next decade:

And when Democrats or the media put out drivel, Palin quickly and effectively responds. Her latest such effort occurred over the past few days as PolitiFact, one of those “independent, nonpartisan” so-called fact-checker outfits owned by the St. Petersburg Times, did its best to label her “Liar Pants on Fire” for her recent commentary about the upcoming expiration of the Bush tax cuts.

PolitiFact took Palin to task for discussing the economic ramifications of the tax cuts’ expiration in total, which is what will happen at the end of this year if the Democrats take no action to extend them. According to PolitiFact, Palin is lying because Democrats only intend to let the tax cuts expire for those making less than $250,000 a year.

Unlike most in the political world, Palin didn’t let that charge go unanswered. She came right back with a detailed rebuttal to PolitiFact, pointing out that there is no legislation pending that would do anything at all, which means it’s perfectly reasonable to discuss what would happen if nothing at all is done.

Now, refusing to back down, PolitiFact insists the Democrats do have a plan, and points to a 2011 budget document put out by the White House. This rebuttal is hilarious for two reasons. One is that there could not be a more meaningless piece of paper than a “2011 budget document,” since congressional Democrats have no intention of even trying to pass a 2011 budget. The second reason is that, as even PolitiFact points out in this very document, Obama has already broken his promise not to raise taxes on people making less than $250,000 a year.

So then what is the value of a promise in a document about a budget that will never pass? PolitiFact gives passing credit to Palin for pointing out that no pending legislation seeks to extend the tax cuts for anyone, but then dismisses this as insignificant. This is a good example of how these “fact-checkers” often come to the job with little understanding of what constitutes a fact.

Legislation that originates in Congress is the only way the Bush tax cuts can be extended for anyone. If there is no proposed legislation, there is no proposal. A commentary in a document about a hypothetical budget that will never be passed is meaningless.

Calabrese has some advice for establishment politicians, particularly those in her own party, who continue to prefer the conventional approach of passivity when it comes to media bias and disinformation.

When Palin gets criticized by Democrats, it’s simply because they hate her guts. When she gets criticized by Republicans, it’s because conventional wisdom says you’re not supposed to go toe-to-toe with the media on things like this. This is why they call her dumb. If she were smart, they think, she would hire seasoned political consultants who would teach her conventional political behavior and see to it that she follows it.

Since the conventional thinkers have left our nation in hoc to the tune of $71 trillion, including unfunded entitlement mandates, it might be worth considering an alternative approach. Such an approach might include knocking down idiotic arguments offered under the guise of “fact-checking,” especially when you have a ready-made audience of 2 million people who can immediately receive your well-reasoned, detailed arguments the second you’re finished writing them – even if you do so from a fishing boat.

The media are not used to public figures firing back like this. The result is that they have to work overtime to defend their specious claims. And as they try in vain to do so, Palin does not let it go.

George W. Bush certainly had his faults in terms of policy, but one of his biggest faults was strategic. He allowed his administration to be beaten mercilessly for eight years by the liberal media without even so much as a whimper. Ultimately this resulted in approval ratings in the 30s and a near complete loss of his ability to govern. When lies are repeated often enough, absent any rebuttal, people understandably begin to believe them.

Governor Palin is demonstrating to the Democrat Party and their allies in the media that she is not going to play this game; that she's not going to take the conventional Republican approach of lying down and hoping the media will be fair. They won't. Governor Palin's new approach of actively countering media bias is as refreshing as it is inspirational. Moreover, it's something the media is ill-equipped to counter, as the recent flailing away by the Politifact "fact checkers" demonstrates. Read Calabrese's entire piece here.
http://www.northstarnational.com/2010/08/08/take-that-politifact-sarah-palins-relentless-assault-on-media-disinformation/


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posted August 08, 2010 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
PS: katatonic and Node

Perhaps in your haste to equate those opposing O'BomberCare with Wall Street fat cats, you missed the referendum in Missouri. 71% of voters rejected the personal mandate to purchase health insurance, which is the cornerstone of O'BomberCare.

ObamaCare Is in Big Trouble
By Deroy Murdock

ObamaCare faced voters for the first time last Tuesday and was diagnosed as seriously ill.

By a margin of 71 percent to 29 percent, Missouri voters approved a referendum to invalidate any ObamaCare mandate to purchase health insurance or any penalty for not doing so.

Proposition C reflects growing momentum to repeal ObamaCare, an increasingly unpopular federal sinkhole that the American people do not want and numerous state and federal officials are working sedulously to reverse.

ObamaCare’s latest defeat did not occur in some right-wing bastion, but in a swing state in which Barack Obama lost by just 3,903 votes to Sen. John McCain in 2008.

And on Monday, Federal Judge Henry Hudson ruled that Virginia may proceed with its lawsuit to overturn ObamaCare’s individual mandate to acquire medical coverage.

“While this case raises a host of complex constitutional issues,” Hudson wrote, “all seem to distill to the single question of whether or not Congress has the power to regulate - and tax - a citizen’s decision not to participate in interstate commerce.”

As Virginia Attorney General Ken Cuccinelli observed, “The government cannot draft an unwilling citizen into commerce just so it can regulate him under the Commerce Clause.”

ObamaCare’s mandate redefines the individual’s relationship to Washington, D.C. If it can compel Americans to buy health insurance, why can’t it force each American to join a gym or eat bran?

Twenty different state attorneys general are in court battling ObamaCare’s defining ideology, as embodied in the individual mandate.

Meanwhile, on Capitol Hill, 170 of 178 Republicans have signed Rep. Steve King’s (R-Iowa) discharge petition to bring repeal language to the House floor.

Americans increasingly would applaud such a House vote. A July 30-31 Rasmussen survey shows that among 1,000 likely voters, 59 percent want ObamaCare overturned. Despite relentless Democratic preening over ObamaCare, pro-repeal sentiments have risen from 55 percent (42 percent opposed) on March 24, when Obama signed this bill.

The American people can kill this monster in its crib. Handing Republicans the keys to Congress on Nov. 2 could smother this $2.5 trillion extravagance in its infancy. While a GOP repeal vote surely would earn a presidential veto, a Republican Congress could defund this law’s implementation.

Instead, Republicans should administer a pro-market antidote to ObamaCare’s poison: Health-insurance vouchers, medical malpractice reform; universal, tax-free Health Savings Accounts; and individual, portable medical plans - all available across state lines.

ObamaCare’s ultimate demise likely will require a GOP chief executive to sign its death certificate. Until that joyous occasion, Americans should dream of the day when Obama returns to Chicago to break ground on his presidential library.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2010/08/07/obamacare_is_in_big_trouble_106659.html

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posted August 08, 2010 05:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Obama’s Predictable, Tiring, Ineffective Lecture; Would Someone Call Him on the Hypocrisy, Please?
Wednesday, August 4, 2010 at 2:04pm
Sarah Palin

Congress’ approval rating is at 11% because politicians thwart the will of the people, explode our national debt, and practice reckless deficit spending while hoping we’ll sit down and shut up about their nonsensical agenda. President Obama just made the AFL-CIO suffer through another “Blame Bush” lecture today as he, as usual, put the car in reverse and looked backward to find someone else to blame for problems he helped cause and now aggressively perpetuates.

Okay, Mr. President, you tell us we have to keep looking backward (as we’re steered toward the cliff), so let’s go:

Barack Obama was part of the problem while in Congress. Senator Obama pushed the fiscally irresponsible measures that Democrats, who held the majority, advanced while holding the government’s purse strings. And now, as President, he’s not just one of the pack anymore as a mere contributor to the problem – he now leads the problem. We are sick and tired of President Obama pointing his finger and screeching through his blame game about what he “inherited.” Up until 18 months ago he was fully engaged in that Congressional herd mentality of the Left as he just went with the flow, adding to the debt and deficit, instead of bucking his party’s leadership to stop the recklessness. (Did you ever hear him as an independent voice standing up and speaking out against his Democrat party’s overspending and over reach? Come to think of it, did you ever hear of his congressional record at all? For the life of me I can’t think of any time he used his bully pulpit as a sitting U.S. Senator to lead free market, equality-respecting pro-private sector efforts, nor to change up actions he now conveniently condemns. He could have refudiated them all.)

His lecture today must have been tough for our good union brothers and sisters to sit through, though it may have resonated with some union bosses who desire their members to adopt a herd mentality, too, so as to not dare speak up against what Washington is doing to us.

Surely the good, hard working Americans who happen to be union members know, too, that Obama’s blame game is getting old. It’s obviously ineffective, it’s the antithesis of good leadership, and it reeks of hypocrisy. A complicit media won’t call President Obama out on this, so let’s do it ourselves, friends. It helps put his criticisms and fiscal problems in context.

In contrast to President Obama’s lack of leadership in getting our country on a responsible fiscal path, there are some who have a positive agenda, including Rep. Paul Ryan who has shared ideas that deserve a fair hearing. He knows why we need to rein in the government’s reckless spending and how it can be done. Please read this excerpt of an article by Rep. Ryan and be thankful there are some who remember why they were hired to serve us in Congress – it sure wasn’t to merely vote “present” as the powers-that-be jam the car in reverse while hoping we won’t remember who dug the ditch we’re headed toward.


“Reducing deficits should begin with a budget plan to cut spending, yet incredibly Congress abandoned its legal obligation to write a budget this year, which means the leadership has abandoned even the pretense of limiting government’s insatiable spending appetite. I hope the Debt Commission, of which I am a member, will identify potential major spending reductions when we publish our report in December. But waiting for somebody else to suggest cuts was no excuse for Congress to dismiss its mandate to write America’s budget.

There’s no shortage of ideas for cuts we could make immediately. Last year I identified $4.8 trillion we could cut. Right now we could easily reduce spending by $1.3 trillion by: rescinding $266 billion in unused stimulus funds and another $16 billion in leftover TARP money; saving $925 billion by cutting and capping discretionary spending at 2008 levels; imposing a hiring and pay freeze on government employees, saving $65 billion; and reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the proximate originators of the home mortgage meltdown, to save $30 billion. I would also give the President line-item veto authority to realize further savings.

The American people and both parties see the need to get federal spending under control. Any time congressional leaders want, we can start by cutting unnecessary expenditures. Let’s not punish business and workers by raising their taxes at a time when the economy is struggling to return to a growth path—that would only make a desperate situation worse.”

Rep. Ryan is right about not raising taxes.

Lest we forget, the Obama-Pelosi-Reid Democrats have a special New Years gift in store for American taxpayers. On January 1, 2011, they are going to hit us with the largest tax increase in U.S. history. By allowing the 2001 and 2003 tax cuts to expire on New Years Eve, the Democrats are going to impose a $3.8 trillion tax increase on Americans over the next decade.

Instead of admitting that this massive tax hike is just an attempt to get hardworking taxpayers to continue to fund their reckless spending, the Democrats are selling it is as a tax on “the rich” to increase revenues to pay down the debt. However, history shows that raising the top tax rate doesn’t lead to increased revenues. It’s what Arthur Laffer describes as a tax the rich Catch-22: the highest earners, who are expected to bear most of the tax burden, generally also have the best tax advisers to help them get around it.

Regardless of what the Democrats want you to believe, this is a tax increase on every American who pays taxes. Families will suffer because the Democrats’ tax hike will reinstate the marriage penalty, cut the child tax credit in half, abolish various personal exemptions, and impose limits on itemized deductions like home mortgage interest and charitable contributions. Investors and savers would suffer through increases in the top rates in long-term capital gains and qualified dividends. And the Alternative Minimum Tax would end up hitting 15 million taxpayers – up from 4 million in 2009.

We’ll all be feeling the pinch, but the ones who will be hit hardest by this massive tax hike will be America’s small business owners – the businesses that create up to 70% of all jobs in this country. According to a recent report by the Congressional Joint Committee on Taxation, small business owners will pay over half the taxes raised when the Democrats increase the top two tax brackets. In an already anemic jobless recovery, the last thing government should do is to impose even higher tax burdens on job creators. Instead of hurting “the rich,” such measures would end up hurting the unemployed.

To burden American families and small businesses with the largest tax hike in history while the economy is teetering on the brink of a potential double-dip recession is madness. It’s another reason why we must elect commonsense fiscal conservatives in the upcoming midterm elections this November. We simply cannot afford the Obama-Pelosi-Reid Democrats. We need people in Congress who know that the best way to get our economy moving again is to cut taxes, not raise them by unprecedented amounts.

You might have noticed that the Democrats have been throwing around the phrase “common sense” more often these days, but actions speak louder than words. We need real leadership in Washington across the board. We need common sense solutions, not finger-pointing, buck-passing, and lecturing.

- Sarah Palin

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actually, rather than tackling disinformation from the left, sarah palin seems to be taking this to heart:

George W. Bush certainly had his faults in terms of policy, but one of his biggest faults was strategic. He allowed his administration to be beaten mercilessly for eight years by the liberal media without even so much as a whimper. Ultimately this resulted in approval ratings in the 30s and a near complete loss of his ability to govern. When lies are repeated often enough, absent any rebuttal, people understandably begin to believe them

and turning it against those NOW in power.

perhaps that is clever of her. perhaps it is just what happens when one is in power...everyone wants a piece of you, nice or nasty. just as the voters put democrats in to curb bush, and the press criticized and mocked him, now they are doing it to the PRESENT officeholder. it won't be surprising if a lot of people vote republicans and others in in november, in fact it will be PAR FOR THE COURSE especially in a time of multiple breakdowns of the longtime established order.

like i said, everyone's a critic and i would have a lot more respect for palin if she would stop the cheap shots at the sitting duck and offer some HELP. because all she is doing now is taking pot shots designed to help HER or someone she thinks better into the office. with NO regard for the PRESENT and ONLY an eye to the big OPPORTUNITY.

as for the healthcare issue, i thought we were talking about the expiration of the bush tax cuts??

and why do you and palin consistently ignore THIS little fact?

The most recent significant tax cuts were signed into law by Barack Obama as part of the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 (ARRA). Of the $700 Billion cost of ARRA, roughly $288 Billion were tax cuts.

doesn't fit too well into the picture the pretenders (to the white house) are trying to paint, does it?

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posted August 09, 2010 01:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Plan? What plan? There is no plan. - Sarah Palin

That's what she said. The President is required by law (31 U.S.C. § 1105(a)) to submit his plan no later than the first Monday of February the year prior to the budget going in to effect. The continued contention that this doesn't constitute a plan is ridiculous. Jwhop, you've parroted this idea. There is a plan. There's been a plan.

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A commentary in a document about a hypothetical budget that will never be passed is meaningless. - Doug Brady

Obviously not if it's required of the President. It, in fact, outlines exactly what the President wishes to see in the budget.

Obama went a step further creating a Fiscal Reform Commission, which contains a minimum of six Republicans from Congress. (This commission's report is due Dec 1, 2010.)
http://budget.senate.gov/democratic/documents/2010/2010fiscal.eo.pdf

The claim of "No plan" is false. No way around it.

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"that among 1,000 likely voters" - ie those that would not vote for obama because they don't know they have to show up at the polls...or somewhere and actually vote.

shameless. i keep trying to explain to you, why a poll that segregates out anyone who might vote for obama on the grounds that they don't vote, is , well, bogus. inadmissable

but if you tell a lie often enough people will start to believe it, well

you can fool some of the people all of the time...

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Sorry, but that wish list so called budget won't cut it in the realm of a fleshed out plan to extend the Bush tax cuts so America will be saved from getting the biggest tax hike in history.

Pointing to the law...which requires President Tax Hike to put something on paper by a date certain is meaningless when it's understood that Prez Tax Hike has NO POWER whatsoever to enact his wish list into law.

It's Congress which has the LEGISLATIVE AUTHORITY in America, not the prez. O'Bomber can bloviate until the cows come home but until Congress comes up with a PLAN...in the form of actual legislation, there is no PLAN.

US Constitution, Article I
Article I, Section I

All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

Article I, Section 8

To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.

This demoscat congress is actually in violation of it's own law which requires Congress to pass a budget by April 15th. That date has come and gone...and there's NO BUDGET.

This is a "Political Statement" and it's an outright lie which has no place in Prez Tax Hike's wish list. Further, it most certainly has no force of law, wasn't implemented and isn't even specific enough to be called a PLAN.

"Allow the Bush Tax Cuts for Households
Earning More Than $250,000 to Expire. In
the last Administration, those at the very top enjoyed large tax breaks and income gains while almost everyone else struggled and real income for the middle class declined"
President Tax Hike

Btw, does President Tax Hike's statement.."Allow the Bush Tax Cuts for Households Earning More Than $250,000 to Expire"..refer to Gross Income...or Net Income?

See, it's impossible this could be considered a PLAN. It lacks the specific details...like defining terms which would make sense...if President Tax Hike had any authority to pass it into law.

He doesn't.

Those who do have the authority and the legal responsibility for enacting legislation..by April 15th to produce a budget for the next year haven't done so.

They're too busy hiding out from their constituents.

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okay folks this is the new buzzphrase which we will be seeing over and over in the hope that we, too, will believe anything we see enough times:

"They're too busy hiding out from their constituents"

and this is the one jwhop is going to be seeing EVERY TIME he repeats it

Sour'n Pallid can't even toss salad.

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Sorry, but that wish list so called budget won't cut it in the realm of a fleshed out plan to extend the Bush tax cuts so America will be saved from getting the biggest tax hike in history.

It does cut it just fine. You're in no position to make such an assessment.

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Pointing to the law...which requires President Tax Hike to put something on paper by a date certain is meaningless when it's understood that Prez Tax Hike has NO POWER whatsoever to enact his wish list into law.

False. The President can veto the budget, which gives him rather substantial power over enacting his wish list.

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Btw, does President Tax Hike's statement.."Allow the Bush Tax Cuts for Households Earning More Than $250,000 to Expire"..refer to Gross Income...or Net Income?

See, it's impossible this could be considered a PLAN. It lacks the specific details...like defining terms which would make sense...if President Tax Hike had any authority to pass it into law.


Also untrue. You're trying to split hairs where there are none to be split. Congress could assume net or gross, and the President would likely go for it.

The only point you win in this particular debate is that Congress hasn't settled a budget. Talk of a lack of a plan is still completely unfounded.

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I'm in the perfect position to assess the lack of a PLAN to extend the Bush tax cuts to forestall the biggest tax increase in American history.

Unlike you acoustic, I have my eyes wide open and I can see there is no legislation in the Congress to extend the Bush tax cuts. That's the only place there could even be a PLAN since budgets and tax policy are the exclusive province of the Congress of the United States. It's called the Legislative Process where the laws of the United States are enacted by the Congress.

There's not even a congressional budget..required to be enacted by April 15th of each year for the next year.

All the blithering, blathering, bloviation and bullshiiit will not obscure the fact that there is NO PLAN.

It's like this acoustic.

I PLAN to do some shopping and mow the lawn this afternoon.

I can make these PLANS because I have control over my activities and can implement MY PLANS.

O'Bomber has no control over the Congress, cannot force Congress to enact his wish list..even if it were specific and fleshed out..which it isn't...and therefore, there is no PLAN to extend the Bush tax cuts..for anyone.

Palin is right, there is no PLAN. There may be a PLAN by Congress in the future but it doesn't exist in the present.

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You're not assessing the lack of a plan. A plan exists, therefore there can be no lack for one.

Obama can, in fact, veto any budget presented to him. He can, in fact, hold out indefinitely if he wishes to do so. Budget crises aren't anything new either.

The criticism of Congress is justified on some levels, though I don't know the reason they haven't tackled the budget. There may be a plan there, or there may not be.

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JW is just confused because he hasn't seen a real budget in years.

The current budget actually has the war on it, both of them.

In days gone by the monthly bill was paid by Executive Order.

I have a theory about the 4 B usage as well. blither, blather, bliovate, bull...
be trotted out when deep water is breached and the backstroke is now fully employed.

bliovate?
I always thought that's what hermaphrodite sea-cucumbers do on a date.

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Back to our half term gurl:

Sister Sarah get's owned by local teacher



Edit to include full text:


The following is the transcript of a cell phone video shot by Homeroid Billy Sullivan. Billy gave Kathleen permission to hang her banner (PALIN WORST GOVERNOR EVER) on his place of business at the Homer docks in clear view of Palin’s Discovery entourage.

Palin: like how? What’s up?

Kathleen: You swore on your precious Bible that you would uphold the interests of this state, and then when cash was waved in front of your face, you quit.

Palin: OH, you WANTED me to be your governor! I’m honored! Thank you!

Kathleen: I wanted you to honor your responsibilities. That is what I wanted. I wanted you to be part of the political process instead of becoming a celebrity so that you could (inaudible). And if that’s the best you could do, then good for you. If that’s the best you could do.

Palin: Here’s the deal. Here’s the deal. (inaudible) That’s what I’m out there fightin’ for Americans to be able to have a Constitution protected so that we can have free speech…And ALSO there…

Kathleen: In what way are you fighting for that?

Palin: Oh my goodness!

Kathleen: In what way?

Palin: To elect candidates who understand the Constitution, to protect our military interests so that we can keep on fightin’ for our constitution that will protect some of the freedoms that evidently are important to you too.

Kathleen: By using your celebrity status, certainly not by political status.

Palin Daughter: How is she a celebrity? That’s my question.

Palin: I’m honored! No, she thinks I’m a celebrity!

Palin Daughter: That’s funny that you think she is.

Kathleen: Well, you’re certainly not representing the state of Alaska any longer…even though…

Palin Daughter: She’s representing United States?

Kathleen: Yes, I know. You belong to America now, and that suits me just fine. Yeah.

Palin: What do you do here?

Kathleen: I’m a teacher

Palin: Oh. (Eye roll and protracted grimace)

Palin Daughter: Oh.

Kathleen: I also have a few other jobs. I’m married to a commercial fisherman. And so I fish.

Palin: Oh that’s cool. So am I! I married to-we probably have a lot in common!

Kathleen: Yeah. You know, I think that we do.

Palin: Hi! (waves to camera) Are we on video?

Kathleen: Too bad. I’m more of a still camera girl myself. (inaudible) I am, I am…I will tell you I’m very pleased to meet you.

Palin: I’m honored to meet you, I really am. And, no we both agree on the freedom of speech and the-

Kathleen: Yes we do.

Palin: you know – the protection of that. So, um, no I and, you know… best of everything to you too and Yeah.

Kathleen: Thank you for coming over.

Palin: Well, okay. It’s nice to meet you anyway.

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Sarah Palin had an approval rating of about 80% in Alaska when she ran for VP.

Your so called teacher is either crazy, drunk, high or a political partisan hack with no objectivity.

There is no PLAN until the Congress puts a PLAN on paper and passes it into law.

Until then, Sarah Palin is right, the leftist idiots at PolitiFact/St Petersburg Times..and elsewhere are wrong.

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Monday, August 9, 2010
Pants on Fire, Still, Shannyn
By Mel Bryant

As has often been reported here, Shannyn Moore suffers from a severe case of PDS (Palin Derangement Syndrome). It’s so severe that she sees and hears things that never even happened. Only Shannyn can take a video that portrays Governor Palin in a good light and spin it as something terrible.

Shannyn has a habit of lying about Sarah Palin. You may recall that she’s the one who invented the rumor that the FBI was investigating Governor Palin, which resulted in the FBI calling her out (Nice going, Shannyn, you got the FBI’s attention).

Yesterday I noted how disappointed Shannyn was that Governor Palin came to “her” town (I guess the town has some sort of barrier that only allows Palin detractors inside). In her tweet this weekend, Shannyn warned Governor Palin that she “would be sorry,” and today Shannyn made good on her promise. How? By making some more stuff up.

In her usual style of mindless snark, Shannyn begins with taking aim at Governor Palin’s Facebook post on Saturday in which she alludes to “baiting fish” with a “hook” – an obvious metaphor to what she was doing in taking on PolitiFact and the White House. Moore interprets it literally and, well, she doesn’t get the joke (No surprise. Left-wingers have no sense of humor.)

She then goes on to complain about the Governor’s security detail:

On the public dock, private security patted down private citizens. The Fourth Amendment protects citizens from unreasonable search and seizure from their government. Private security searching private citizens in a public place, doesn't fall under that category. It's a bit more hinky.

Whether it was TLC or the Palins who contracted security, under what authority did they operate in a public location? Were they looking for weapons? Well, now there's a Second Amendment issue.

First of all, Shannyn wasn’t there. She is reporting hearsay. And as we’ve seen in the past with her “reporting” (like that “fact” she reported about the FBI investigation), she just makes stuff up. And that’s what she’s doing here.

Our sources tell us that, to the best of their knowledge, no one was ever frisked and nothing was seized from anyone. Again, it’s Shannyn making stuff up in her hyperventilating style. And when a film crew has a permit, they can dress the set and control the area however they see fit. If someone is wandering into their shot, they’ll tell them to get out of the way. That’s not violating anyone’s rights – any more than telling some moron who wonders into your place of work to please step away from your desk so that you can get your job done.

Shannyn goes on about a woman who decided to put up a sign and protest Governor Palin’s presence. This lady didn’t expect that the Governor would take the time to actually talk to her. And that's Shannyn’s problem.

She didn't imagine Palin would be so easy to draw out.

Saturday morning, Billy Sullivan helped Kathleen tape the banner up on his place of business at the top of the boat ramp. Then here she came. Sarah.

She couldn't just walk by. Only a few fishermen and tourists would have seen the banner, but Sarah had to stop and protest. I spoke with Kathleen. She said she wanted Palin to know how she felt, but never dreamed she'd get the chance to say to her face,

From a normal person’s perspective, it looks like Governor Palin approached the protestor trying to politely reach out to her and find common ground, not infringe in any way on her First Amendment rights. The two had a civil conversation.

This may come as a shock to Shannyn because no other politician – Democrat or Republican – seems to have the courage to do what Governor Palin did, namely to reach out to their detractors. Have you seen President Obama or Nancy Pelosi approach a Tea Party protestor to try to engage them in a civil debate? The last time Obama did that he encountered Joe the Plumber – and we all know how that turned out.

Shannyn also complains about someone in Palin's entourage “tearing down the sign to great applause from her group”. This too is false. Our sources tell us that no one associated with Governor Palin or the TLC crew tore down the sign. As is evident in the video, the Governor had no problem with the lady’s right to protest. In the video, she’s standing in front of the sign talking to the woman and even waved to the person recording. However, there are plenty of other folks in Homer who apparently didn’t agree with the lone lady and her sign. It appears that at least one of them may have issued a counter protest of sorts.

Of course, no article Shannyn writes can go without attacking Governor Palin for resigning, which ironically was a result of Shannyn and her entourage doing everything they could to get her to resign. Shannyn and the protester accuse Governor Palin of ignoring the oath of office she'd sworn on a Bible. That’s an interesting, but specious, accusation. Her oath of office was to uphold the constitution. It didn’t carry any date requirements. And as a matter of note: Wally Hickel also resigned the governorship early, and yet he is revered. Explain the difference to me. Both did it to serve their country.

But Shannyn isn’t the only one jumping on the idiot bandwagon with this one. NY Mag decided to chime in about Governor Palin’s discussion with the protestor, in which she discovered that the woman is a teacher:

When Palin asks Gustafson what she does for a living, and Gustafson tells Palin she's a teacher, Palin and her daughter groan and exchange eye rolls as if to say, "Of course, only a teacher would be such a liberal nut." Belittling teachers? Palin really is a maverick.

First of all, I didn’t hear any groans or even see any eye rolls. And belittling teachers? Really? There’s probably no other politician in America that has more respect for teachers. Governor Palin mentioned in her Facebook post on this how many people in her family are teachers.

As the video below proves; Governor Palin did not in any way stop this woman from voicing her opinion. Governor Palin was just trying to reach out to a former constituent to find common ground and as evident in the video towards the end of the conversation they somewhat did. Once again Shannyn is trying to turn nothing into something. We rate this one: Pants on fire, or should I just say we have her on the hook.

In addition, please note, the video was clearly edited. Our sources have confirmed that the encounter lasted longer than just two minutes, and you can tell as much from the video because it is cut at the 0:34 mark when the Governor responds to the question why she left office. I think we can safely assume that the governor made a strong argument, and leaving that in would counter Shannyn’s agenda. Also, our sources tell us that the protester didn’t even know that Joe Miller is running for the US Senate. She apparently accused Governor Palin of endorsing Joe Miller for Governor. No wonder that part was edited out. It doesn’t make the protester look very smart, does it?

We have a challenge for the folks who posted this video: Post the entire unedited video.

Here’s the extensively edited video. I guess they thought these were the parts that would make Governor Palin look “bad.” Nice try, lefties.
http://www.conservatives4palin.com/

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Why would Sister Sarah mosey right into a videoed confrontation with an alleged teacher who (rolls my own eyes) creates signs that say "Worst GOV Ever??

To promote her new tv show? No, not even a remote possibly.
Since I had no idea who Shannyn Moore is I thought I would look her up:


Equal time to the self proclaimed "Girl from Homer"


Posted by: shannynmoore |
August 8, 2010

Sarah Palin’s Homer Moment-D’Oh!


quote:
I’m really proud of my home town. When I say, “I’m just a girl from Homer” on my blog, radio or television show, I like to think it’s not so much self-deprecation as it is a friendly warning. When Palin signed off on her Facebook blog bashing Obama on Friday with “Sarah Palin in Homer, Alaska”. I laughed. Lady, if you think I give you a hard time, hang on.

Palin posted:

“And here I am, thousands of miles away from DC out on a commercial fishing boat, working my butt off for my own business, merely asking the Democrat politicos and their liberal friends in the media: “What’s the plan, man?”, and they seem to feel threatened by my question. So, I’ll go back to setting my hooks and watching the halibut take the bait, and when I come back into the boat’s cabin in a few hours…”

Strange. The Palin’s fishing business doesn’t include IFQ’s (Individual Fishing Quotas) necessary for commercially harvesting halibut. Her baiting hooks and keeping a manicure is laughable. Halibut are on the bottom of the ocean, hard to watch them “take the bait”. I hope she’s got a crew license. (Shrug).

Sarah Palin & company spent several days in Homer filming her “Sarah Palin’s Uh-laska” show. (Eyes rolled).

On the public dock, private security patted down private citizens. The Fourth Amendment protects citizens from unreasonable search and seizure from their government. Private security searching private citizens in a public place, doesn’t fall under that category. It’s a bit more hinky.

Whether it was TLC or the Palins who contracted security, under what authority did they operate in a public location? Were they looking for weapons? Well, now there’s a Second Amendment issue.

This is Alaska, we carry guns. You can open-carry or acquire a concealed weapons permit from the state. If you are a law abiding citizen, you don’t even need a permit. Sarah Palin recently endorsed Alaska Tea Party Candidate Joe Miller for US Senate. His supporters carried assault rifles in last month’s Golden Days Parade in Fairbanks. If weapons are good enough for a public parade, weapons should be fine at a public dock.

Maybe it wasn’t about guns. Maybe it was about cameras. In that case, it’s a First Amendment issue. Whether Palin had a problem with the First Amendment, the Second Amendment or the Fourth Amendment, she contradicted her entourage’s actions at the Homer dock.

Risking accusations of being all “Wee-Wee’d Up“, one Homer woman made a sign in her shed. She then took the 30 foot by 3 foot banner out to the boat harbor. It said “WORST GOVERNOR EVER“. Kathleen Gustafson is a teacher married to a local commercial fisherman. She felt like Sarah Palin had let the state down by becoming a dollar-chasing celebrity and ignoring the oath of office she’d sworn on a Bible.

Kathleen was motivated by the fact Palin was using the very place where her family makes a living to fortify the Palin personality cult-pretending to do the very thing they worked so hard to sustain. Initially, Kathleen just wanted to waste a little of the camera crew’s time, since Palin wasted so much of her time purporting to represent Alaska’s interests.

She didn’t imagine Palin would be so easy to draw out.

Saturday morning, Billy Sullivan helped Kathleen tape the banner up on his place of business at the top of the boat ramp. Then here she came. Sarah.

She couldn’t just walk by. Only a few fishermen and tourists would have seen the banner, but Sarah had to stop and protest. I spoke with Kathleen. She said she wanted Palin to know how she felt, but never dreamed she’d get the chance to say to her face, “You’re not a leader, you’re a climber!” Early in the conversation, Sarah actually winked at Kathleen in what seemed to be a case of eyelid Tourette Syndrome.

At one point, a Palin daughter chanted, “You’re just jealous”. Kathleen told Sarah she was disappointed that she dropped her responsibility to the state to became a celebrity. Palin said incredulously, “I’m honored. No, she thinks I’m a celebrity!” Really? So the camera crew wasn’t an indicator? How many times do you have to be on magazine covers to gain celebrity status? Something about camping with Kate Plus Eight in rain slickers seems, well, a little celebrity.

Billy Sullivan caught much of the interchange on his cell phone camera. The back of her security guard’s head and Todd Palin attempted to block Billy’s view, continually rotating like Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dum. What were they afraid of? I guess that’s what happens when you’re filming a “celebrity”. He was even told by one of the Palin daughters, “You’re an A-hole”. Charming family values.

I asked both Billy and Kathleen which Palin daughter said what. Neither knew. They don’t have televisions and aren’t interested in Palin’s personal life and dramas.

In what has become typical tragic irony, Sarah initially claimed to support Kathleen’s First Amendment Rights. But as soon as Billy Sullivan walked toward the dock, one of Palin’s entourage tore down the sign to great applause from her group.

Todd Palin approached Billy (who owns a business called Dockside Fish and buys halibut on that dock) and asked him to get out of the Discovery crew’s shot. “You just can’t get enough of her, can you?” he asked. An Alaska State Trooper told Billy he should call the Homer Police Department and report the trespassing and destruction of property.

What the Palin folks don’t seem to understand is simple; if Fred Phelps gets to hold his hateful signs up at military funerals, Billy should be able to put Kathleen’s “WORST GOVERNOR EVER” banner on his building and not have a Palin goon tear it down.

The First Amendment only matters when you say or write something someone else doesn’t like.

For someone who doesn’t hold elected office and denies being a celebrity, Sarah Palin may want to get a “Constitutional Handler”.



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"eyelid Tourette Syndrome"


Since Shannyn had the full text of the convo I reposted it above ^-^

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