posted February 11, 2011 07:32 PM            

I never said Canada was bad. It's just an example of a country with free healthcare.

posted February 11, 2011 07:51 PM            

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posted February 12, 2011 03:05 PM              

randall, sorry if i was a little abrupt there but really i don't see any point in resorting to name calling after a few exchanges where neither one of us felt heard...NOT JUST YOU.

it occurs to me that you and i speak different languages, even though raised in the same country there is as much difference between ny and georgia as there is between quebec and british columbia, much of the time.

but since you seem to have made up your mind a) that i am a socialist and b) that socialists are akin to brick walls,

forgive me if i don't try to make my point clear to you any more. i like a back-and-forth conversation and i am not here to score "points for the team". that would be a better description of jwhop with his predetermined "mission" of outing "leftists" by spouting polarizing rhetoric...and little else unless someone appeals to the good ole boy in him. but take issue with his slogans and extremist attacks on the duly elected president of the country (despite his loathing of people who were less than respectful of bush) and he becomes abusive, instantly branding one a leftist (because we do not toe HIS line) when most of the rest of us are just trying to inject some reason and wit into the proceedings.

i admit that i have been so frustrated trying to have an actual conversation with him that i have resorted to the same sort of thing in the hope he would recognize we are both of the same human race...

but if you don't understand how treating every tom dick and harry FREE OF CHARGE in the ERs in this country has raised the price of med care, i am not going to push the point any more. not everything that is called "free" is so.

posted February 12, 2011 10:20 PM            

what i find most amusing is the rhetoric regarding socialism by people who have never lived in a socialist country and haven't the faintest clue what it's like to live under a dictatorship but constantly call Obama a socialist dictator... fascinating... however, that is a topic for another post

posted February 12, 2011 10:43 PM            

I haven't seen anyone call O'Bomber a Socialist dictator.

posted February 15, 2011 09:43 AM            

There is a tipping point but it has nothing to do with Algore's man made global warning religion.

That tipping point is reached when the angry hateful left...not as an individual action...but in collectivist fashion takes stances which are so disgraceful Or so contemptible Or unpatriotic Or anti-American Or anti-women Or anti-gender Or any one of a host of other "anti" causes leftists collectively embrace that their actions finally snap former members out of their mind fog and they begin to see and question what the irrational, illogical, hateful left has become.

February 15, 2011
Sarah and the San Francisco Poster Wars
By Ray Gross

As I stood in front of the vile posters of Sarah Palin, I felt anger and rage. Above all, I felt powerless.

In the days after the Arizona shootings someone had plastered these horrible images on a fence surrounding an empty lot. My gut reaction was to destroy them. Why? I began to question my urge to act in such a primal manner. It felt uncomfortable, and yet the urge was strong. Who had taught me to react like this? This was not the kind of person I wanted to be.

The more I thought about these conflicting emotions, the more it became clear to me. If this had been a poster of George Bush five years ago, I would have been excited and stimulated by it. What had changed? What had changed me?

I am gay. I live in San Francisco. For the last few years I've had a terrible secret, one I felt necessary to hide from hateful and intolerant people. Who would these people be, and what am I hiding?

I am hiding from the Liberal Left. I am hiding that I'm a conservative.

Gay people are used to feeling the fear of backlash and intolerance. It's been a common theme for me, and I hid being gay for a good part of my life because of that fear.

But here I am, hiding again, hiding from those who have been telling me my whole life that they are the tolerant, loving and accepting ones. And I believed them, joining them in pinning the labels of hate and intolerance on the political right.

Now I fear them. They are not tolerant or accepting. They accuse others of hate and intolerance and yet, by their behavior they show themselves again and again to be the hypocrites they are. They are incapable of seeing the irony of the situation; that those who preach " tolerance" are intolerant, and those who champion " love" exude hate.

Like Pavlov's dog they are trained by the left and the liberal media to salivate at the mere mention of the words "conservative" "Republican," "right," "Christian," and "Bush". Now, they have a new favorite victim for their hate and intolerance, Sarah Palin.

I know the truth about Sarah Palin.

During the 2008 primary the Liberal Left and the Democrats exposed who they really are. What was done to Hillary Clinton by the Democratic Party and the complicit media shook me out of my old belief system. I broke free from the self-limiting anger and hate created by the left and the media towards the right.

For years I accepted the leftist line. Things I never cared about trying to make sense of, or tried to form my own real opinions about, suddenly became important to me.

It was like I had been in an abusive relationship where I had been lied to and pushed around for so long that I didn't know what the truth was anymore. I began to think for myself and ask questions I never thought to ask before. Instead of taking the word of my abusers, I went in search of my own answers, and through my research realized that the things I thought were true were not. It didn't take me long to discover that there were many of us out there who underwent the same awakening and personal and emotional transformation.

Now I am being courted by another potentially abusive lover. The Republican Party.

I am a little relationship shy right now and am enjoying being an Independent voter and thinker. I love my freedom. I love the freedom to think for myself. And when I believe in something it is because I've done my own research to support or deny the "facts" I'm given. I will no longer be fooled. A "news" personality/anchor or corrupt politician can no longer tell me how to think or feel. And now, when I hear the left repeating the same old lies and using the same tactics of hate and personal destruction, I am determined to break the chains of intolerance and lies that keep so many on the left captive to a destructive belief system.

With my new awareness of myself and the world around me, I decided to keep my eyes open for someone I can trust, someone who represents truth, honesty, goodness, and above all, strength of character.

Enter Sarah Palin. The moment I heard her speak, I knew she was special. There was an unmistakable honesty and strength about her. All hell broke loose on the left when she entered the scene. The ferociousness and vileness of the attacks towards her comforted me because I know how the left operates. She was telling the truth, and in doing so was exposing the underlying falsehoods of their belief system. This is when the left always lashes out, it is their gut reaction to their fear of being exposed, and anger and hate speech are their weapons.

If you look at the response and reaction to Sarah Palin from the left, you will realize that this isn't just about political views. Their intense, over-the-top reaction to everything she says and does is because they know she holds the truth that threatens to destabilize their world.

Enter Kevin DuJan, founder of Hillbuzz.org. Kevin's situation is very similar to mine. He is a gay conservative man living in a predominately gay neighborhood referred to as "Boystown" in Chicago. Along with Sarah Palin, Kevin is my main source of inspiration and courage. Every day of his life he fights and challenges the Liberal Goliath by highlighting the intolerance and lies perpetrated by the left. He inspired me to take my turn, to step up and be, as Sarah Palin put it, a "patriotic David".

With the graphic talents of a fellow Hillbuzzer, Susan, I was going to fight back. I was going to take back my power. And I was going to do it in a creative and positive way.

At the crack of dawn I went to that fence, and pasted over the vile and angry posters of Governor Palin with another poster. A poster of Sarah, with hands clasped in front of her looking up in prayerful thanks, her smile genuine, her eyes sparkling. Behind her is the same sunburst design found on a well known Harvey Milk poser from the seventies. I wanted to neutralize the left, not only by highlighting their own anger in a peaceful way, but by using their own liberal symbols to showcase Sarah Palin in a positive light.

But, most of all, I wanted to honor Governor Palin in a way that would make her proud.

Standing in front of these new posters I felt hope and power. I felt proud, not only of the beautiful message of Sarah's image, but I felt proud of myself. Proud of how far I had come from the days of my old cocoon of ignorance and intolerance to my present place of self awareness. It was a feeling and a story I wanted to share with others.

There will be a time very soon when we will all be called on to be patriotic Davids - called to fight the Goliath left. We have choices on how we are going to respond to anger and vicious lies. We can be lured to respond to their negativity with negativity. Or we can respond in a positive and creative way. I chose to not allow myself to be baited into responding with anger and negativity. After all, I have the best role model in the world about how to respond to the left - with poise and grace and courage. It drives them crazy because it highlights their anger and hypocrisy.

Thank you, Sarah Palin for your example. You show us how to do it every day.
http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/02/sarah_and_the_san_francisco_po.html

posted February 15, 2011 10:10 AM            

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Originally posted by Randall:
Socialism is the antithesis to capitalism, so yeah, it should be viewed in that light in this country, seeing as the US is built on capitalism.

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USA was built on theft from the Native Americans which they killed and forced on reservations.
It was built on slavery of the African Americans. A type of slavery that included the ideology that blacks were racially inferior to whites.
It took the mid 1960's for blacks to finally get some equal treatment as whites.

Without the theft and slavery, USA wouldn't be like it is today.

USA was only made for the white people. It was not made for asians. It was not made for blacks. It certainly wasn't made for multiracial people like myself which I feel represents an actual Melting Pot.

Why even argue about USA being built on capitalism? The capitalism has a dark past that involve deception, theft, genocide, slavery, and segregation as well as denial.
USA has a very dark past which they haven't totally overcome. It's still in the present.

If you deny that stuff, then you are obviously a liar or clueless.

When the USA was created, African American men were considered 3/5 of man by the founding fathers who owned slaves.
That whole "All Men Are Created Equal" was a bunch of garbage that wasn't even practiced.

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posted February 15, 2011 11:07 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by katatonic:
hi emitres, and thank you for pointing out a common error made by the anti"socialist" press, or media. not only is canada a varied country in terms of healthcare but it is not the picture of ruin so many pundits like to paint. i know many canadians who may live here but they go home to get their medical needs taken care of rather than pay through the nose here, where the wait can be just as long as anywhere else.

randall, sorry if i was a little abrupt there but really i don't see any point in resorting to name calling after a few exchanges where neither one of us felt heard...NOT JUST YOU.

it occurs to me that you and i speak different languages, even though raised in the same country there is as much difference between ny and georgia as there is between quebec and british columbia, much of the time.

but since you seem to have made up your mind a) that i am a socialist and b) that socialists are akin to brick walls,

forgive me if i don't try to make my point clear to you any more. i like a back-and-forth conversation and i am not here to score "points for the team". that would be a better description of jwhop with his predetermined "mission" of outing "leftists" by spouting polarizing rhetoric...and little else unless someone appeals to the good ole boy in him. but take issue with his slogans and extremist attacks on the duly elected president of the country (despite his loathing of people who were less than respectful of bush) and he becomes abusive, instantly branding one a leftist (because we do not toe HIS line) when most of the rest of us are just trying to inject some reason and wit into the proceedings.

i admit that i have been so frustrated trying to have an actual conversation with him that i have resorted to the same sort of thing in the hope he would recognize we are both of the same human race...

but if you don't understand how treating every tom dick and harry FREE OF CHARGE in the ERs in this country has raised the price of med care, i am not going to push the point any more. not everything that is called "free" is so.

hi juni, happy belated birthday!

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I agree with you. jwhop is very divisive. It's either his way or no way. He shows very negative Eristic traits. I am confused how people that believe in Astrology and other things that fall in New Age can be conservatives. I just don't get it. I don't even get how some astrologers,gays,Native Americans,Blacks,and women can be Republicans. Republican Party as a whole are against things of their interest. I can never be a Republican nor a conservative ever in this life. You probably understand why knowing what I told you about my background and past. Imho, liberals are for true equality. Conservatives aren't.

jwhop is so blind and in denial about race relations in this country. I have read about Ronald Reagan. He was pretty much opposed to civil rights for blacks. Sarah Palin think that USA is out of touch with Reagan's values like it's a bad thing. The more I read about Ronald Reagan, the more I don't understand how he is viewed as a great President nor do I understand why he won 49 states to be elected president.

The whole argument about USA is built on capitalism is a joke. USA was built on deception, theft, slavery, inequality. There is no denial of that. That whole capitalism crap is a joke. I responded to Randall's post about USA based on capitalism. I am startng to dislike that guy, and I am starting to wonder if I should remain a moderator. I don't care for the founding father argument. They didn't care about actual equality. The truth is if USA remained exactly the same when USA was founded, I wouldn't have equal rights. Heck..I might not have even been born. I am very grateful that USA is much different from times of the founding fathers and out of touch with Reagan's values.

I am not at all a divisive person. I am not all about race which jwhop accuses me of. I am actually for equality for all people. I just point out the racial bigotry that is still a problem in this country, and he's too blind to see it. I post things not out of divisiveness but out of pointing out the issue because of desire for true unity.

I have lost total respect for jwhop since he told me that I am a primary example of a racist voting black, implying that I voted for Barack Obama because "he's black like me"

That's totally B.S. As you know, I never identified as black on the forum. I always acknowledged my multiracial identity, and I am passionate about it to the point that I spoke out against the one drop rule which most people seem to embrace. That one drop rule was created for segregation and prevent race-mixing to keep the white race pure. I don't see how anybody can embrace the one drop rule. I have identified as multiracial on both 2000 and 2010 Census. I was one of only 2.4 percent that did that on 2000 Census. I don't view Obama as being black. His mom was white as my mom, heck..when I look at her picture, I even see some similarities with my mom who has dark brown hair and brown eyes like his mom. His complexion is not much different from mine. In some ways, I am bothered that he won't identify as multiracial.

I didn't vote for him because he's black nor because he's mulitiracial. I voted for him because he is a democrat and thought he was a liberal. His voting record wasn't much different from Hillary Clinton's. In some ways, he's not liberal enough for me. He doesn't support full gay rights.....I mean..he doesn't support gay marriage. His military stance doesn't seem liberal. He's no socialist. He's obviously a capitalist. In my opinion, he's a moderate. I don't see how anybody think that he's a far left Marxist. I do believe that his being part black has to do with that as well as his history as a community organizer who worked with black churches. I'd say that his connections to his former pastor was also a factor. That pastor is not Anti-American. That guy was in both the Navy and Marines. I really hate all the damned rumors about he is a Muslim and was born in Kenya. I read a lot of ignorant posts about that. I even read one guy post that he was raised by black muslims which is totally ludicrous. The conspiracy theories about him are disturbing,and it makes me fear for his life.

However, I am starting to believe in that Illuminati stuff. I read about Barack Obama being related to both Bush and Cheney, and he's even related to Sarah Palin.

The Chaldean Numerology stuff is fascinating. I even found out that Illuminati is 29/11/2. Well.....I was born on 29th...what does that make me? hahahahaha

any ways...I appreciate your friendship. I am honored to know you. It's great that you post and call out jwhop on his B.S.

I'd rather die than be a Republican or conservative.

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posted March 07, 2011 08:58 AM            

A phobia is an unjustified fear, like a fear of harmless spiders or walking across a bridge. Our media specialize in spreading phobias: Global warming. Flesh-eating bacteria. Carbon fuels. None of those are likely to harm you, not unless you inject nasty bacteria under your skin. By comparison, the media cover-up of who Obama really is -- a rigid hard-left ideologue -- is going to hurt this country for decades to come. The media use false fears to cover up genuine dangers, like Islamic fascism. Or have you forgotten already who committed the 9/11 massacres? The media have been trying to make you forget.

News outlets pump out a daily diet of false fears. If they don't want you to see a genuine threat, they cover it up with phony threats. Our news media don't spread the truth. They spread agit-prop.

They also mislabel rational fears as imaginary phobias. "Islamophobia," is a deliberately misleading label made up by some PR hack hired by the Saudis after 9/11. Like most propaganda, it is a lie; first, there are real things to fear about Islamic fascism, so it's not a phobia at all. And second, the American people are painstakingly decent and accepting of Muslims. We are insanely tolerant of really evil folks; that is why 9/11 happened. As a country we suffer from a Typhoid Mary media -- they will spread sickness and vulnerability, and make a nice profit from it.

Unlike race hatreds against Blacks, Jews, and other ethnicities, fear of Islamic throat-cutting is just facing reality. What's not to fear about a bloody-minded ideology that wants to chop your head off for the greater glory of God? The 9/11 hijackers used box-cutting razors to cut the throats of innocent pilots and flight attendants, exactly the same style of butchery that devout Muslims employ to kill sheep every year, during the media-celebrated holiday of Eid el Adha. (The feast of Jacob's sacrifice.). That's just about the only time liberals express any respect for religion.

The media always forget to tell you how much the throat-cutting of sheep on Eid looks like the throat-cutting of American flight personnel on 9/11. Odd, ain't it? Minister Louis Farrakhan knows all about it, and so does Rev. Jerry Wright, who started his career as a Muslim. Obama was raised with Muslims, so there's no doubt he knows about throat-cutting, too. Everybody knows about it, except the American people, who are not allowed to know. Our pathological media at work.

Islam is dangerous because it treats people like sheep to be killed if they don't obey. European literature begins with the Song of Roland, a chanson de geste about a famous last stand by Charlemagne's knight Roland in Europe's first war against the Saracens (Muslims). The Song of Roland came to be the symbol of resistance by Christian Europe against Muslim head-choppers.

American history also begins with a battle against the Barbary (Muslim) pirates of North Africa. Remember this?

From the halls of Montezuma
To the shores of Tripoli

On the shores of Tripoli today, Muammar Khadafi still has the same barbaric morals as the pirates who preyed on US ships during the Jefferson administration. Jefferson used the US Marines to cope with the slave-taking pirates of Tripoli. Somali pirates are doing the same today. Their ideology is identical, and so are their actions.

Islam has waged war against the West for 1,200 years, which seems to be why the Left adores it. It's a medieval brand of totalitarianism. Obama was raised by such people. Obama's Third World Socialism is an update of Leninism, another totalitarian creed parading under the guise of peace and love -- if you kowtow to them first.

In Obama's opinion Muslims are the victims of "racism," even though they are not a race. But Islam is a war-making ideology against infidels like Jews, Christians, atheists, Marxists, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, and heretical versions of Islam itself. Muslims are not supposed to hate you by race. They are supposed to hate you by dogma, as dictated by Mohammed in 7th century Arabia. Mohammed was a desert pirate, and not surprisingly, he created a war-promoting religion. That is why conversion by the sword, slavery, theft, looting, rape, murder, wife abuse, cutting off the hands of thieves, child abuse and genocide are officially authorized under Shari'ah.

But only for bad people, you see. That makes it okay.

Totalitarian ideologues will kill you for not bowing to their will. Hitler and Stalin were atheistic totalitarians, and Bin Laden is a religious totalitarian. They will both kill you if you don't follow their orders. Bin Laden killed 3,000 people in Manhattan on a single day in September, 2001 -- and today, the Obama Administration still can't figure out why a radical Muslim shoots two American soldiers in Germany while screaming Allahu Akhbar! This is the smartest US President ever, straight out of Harvard Law and Chicago politics. What could possibly motivate this airport killer to shoot American soldiers? They can't figure it out.

This is also the week that Hillary decided to praise Al Jazeerah, the biggest Muslim propaganda channel. The Left is malignant and perverse; they do these things knowingly. They talk tolerance for Muslims, but their aim is to protect fascist killers. If Americans were not dumbed down and intimidated by our leftist schools and media, we would rise up in our wrath and destroy a lot of liberal political careers. Neither Hillary nor Obama deserve election as garbage collectors. They are not ignorant but perverse.

Radical Islam is now getting armed up with nuclear weapons in Pakistan and Iran. If you're not afraid of that, you are dumbed down or delusional. You are letting the media dictate your thoughts. You are lying to yourself to earn their approval. Think again, if you want to survive.

The Left is in noisy denial of Islam's danger to civilization, but then the Left has totalitarian fantasies of its own. They keep making friends with Nazis and fascist Muslims, figuring they can exploit their anti-Western rage for their own purposes. Besides, they like to see anarchy; at bottom, leftism is a primitive urge to destroy, like a bully pulling the wings off butterflies. Leftists are totalitarians with smiling faces, and they are all over our society today, like a new outbreak of an old, old virus.

What about Palin-phobia? It is an irrational fear of Governor Sarah Palin, propagated by leftist ideologues. Governor Palin is beautiful, smart, has lots of common sense, and she is running the biggest head-trip on the Left since the heyday of Ronald Reagan. They should be afraid of Palin, because she could just drive them back into that old dustbin of history, just like Ronald Reagan did with the Soviets. :

Palin is the biggest danger the Left can see. If she is elected president, I think it will be morning in America again.

The great thing about Reagan was that the libs couldn't ignore him. He was a painful burr in their saddle, and they couldn't get rid of him because he spoke directly to people, bypassing the corrupting filters of the media. When Reagan became president, the mullahs suddenly backed off, the Soviet Union crumbled, and the rest is history.

The Left can't ignore Sarah Palin either. They can't stop scratching that scab. The Washington Post's Dana Milbank has outed himself and his fellow travelers by starting the first twitter campaign in favor of censorship. It's his "Ignore Sarah Palin" campaign. This is how the media really think; the First Amendment exists for them, but not for any conservative.

Most leftists carry little censors in their heads. If they can get you to punish yourself for thinking Politically Incorrect thoughts, they don't have to control you. You'll do it for them in your own head.

The day you stop being that, the Wicked Witch of the West will be exposed, and the media narrative will crumble. That is why Dana Milbank is indoctrinating tweeters to avoid thinking about Sarah Palin.

But Milbank can't drive Sarah out of his own mind. She is beautiful, vigorous, wholesome, has a loaded shotgun, and is passionate about her values. She has charisma. Milbank wants to control Governor Palin, and he will never do it.

The Left runs a sexual power trip. Marxists have exploited women sexually since Karl Marx impoverished his wife Jennie and his children to keep up his quest for absolute power. Jean-Jacques Rousseau was infamous for exploiting his mistresses and depositing their new-born babies in the nearest foundling home. It suited his monstrous selfishness.

Palin is a target for the left because (a) they want to score with the lady and (b) they can't, because she is married with kids, and actually takes her family seriously. Feminists have their own neurotic hang-ups with sex and power, and they hate Sarah Palin because she is a liberated woman, completely free of their hang-ups. The nastiness of the feminist left looks like something out of the Witches of Eastwick. They keep showing their mean side to Palin, and people can see it. In the fullness of time it will come back to bite them.

It is a fine and noble thing to see Sarah Palin driving Dana Milbank off the edge. Ronald Reagan just had to grin on TV and say "There they go again!" and most people got the point. Sarah Palin is like that. Her very way of being cuts through the inky smoke the Left keeps squirting into the air. Palin only needs is to be herself and Dana Milbank goes hooting through the moonlit sky again.

A true phobia is a neurosis, and it just keeps repeating itself. The Left can't stop their Palin-phobia. They can't stop themselves from tearing off the mask. Behind the professional smiles, their real faces are cruel and destructive. Palin brings out the true nature of the Left.

posted March 07, 2011 10:51 AM            

I've thought certain members of the news media and certain members of the entertainment set are the flesh eating bacteria!

Palin: Kathy Griffin ‘a 50-year-old adult bully’

posted March 07, 2011 08:08 PM              

sounds like you, lambchop! and the rightwing media keeps plugging that SOCIALIST PHOBIA, OBAMAPHOBIA, UNIONPHOBIA...and the rest of your favourite saw horses...

and you know, in some cases you are right. if only you could get a good case of WALLSTREETERPHOBIA and MONOPOLYPHOBIA, you might start to get somewhere...

tho the repetitious phrasing, junior high satire, etc, do get old fast...

posted March 08, 2011 08:57 AM            

NYT/CBS Poll: 52% Say Obama Moving America Towards Socialism

A New York Times/CBS News poll found that a majority of Americans think President Barack Obama is moving the country toward socialism.
Thursday, April 15, 2010
By Matt Cover
http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/64245

"What about Palin-phobia? It is an irrational fear of Governor Sarah Palin, propagated by leftist ideologues. Governor Palin is beautiful, smart, has lots of common sense, and she is running the biggest head-trip on the Left since the heyday of Ronald Reagan. They should be afraid of Palin, because she could just drive them back into that old dustbin of history, just like Ronald Reagan did with the Soviets.

Palin is the biggest danger the Left can see. If she is elected president, I think it will be morning in America again."

posted March 08, 2011 01:16 PM              

a lot of people just have no idea what socialism is. they think the soviet union is a good example, or cuba. these were dictatorships by oligarchy, not socialism in any real sense. the fear that we are going there is not unfounded, but that doesn't make those places socialist. socialist is ownership BY THE PEOPLE of everything. not by the leaders.

interestingly when the USSR collapsed, all those people living in state owned houses "inherited" their homes and took real ownership of them...and since their focus was not on money but what it can provide, they kept going without money until the dust settled and reorganization was put in place...

posted March 08, 2011 01:49 PM              

Then they came for the Jews,(read muslims)
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.

Then they came for me (read jwhop/palin)
and there was no one left to speak out for me.