posted June 07, 2011 11:24 AM            

The fact leftists don't know American history doesn't alter that fact. It does however cast extreme doubt on the intellectual capacity of leftists...who continue to whine, squeal and shriek in unison about something they know nothing about.

Words for leftists to live by...attributed to Abraham Lincoln:

"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."

posted June 07, 2011 11:47 AM            

From NPR...All Things Considered.

How Accurate Were Palin's Paul Revere Comments?

June 6, 2011 Sarah Palin caused a colonial-era commotion last week with comments she made in Boston about Paul Revere's famous ride. Melissa Block speaks with Robert Allison, a professor and historian at Suffolk University about Palin's comments to see just how historically accurate they were.
http://www.npr.org/player/v2/mediaPlayer.html?action=1&t=1&islist=false&id=137011636&m=137012129

MELISSA BLOCK, host:

Sarah Palin is defending her knowledge of American history. Last week, after Palin visited Old North Church and Paul Revere's house in Boston, a reporter asked her what she had seen and what she'd take away from her visit.

Ms. SARAH PALIN (Former Governor, Alaska): We saw where Paul Revere hung out as a teenager, which was something new to learn. And, you know, he who warned the British that they weren't going to be taking away our arms by ringing those bells and making sure, as he is riding his horse through town, to send those warning shots and bells, that we were going to be secure and we were going to be free.

BLOCK: Well, after that generated howls of derision for historical inaccuracy, Palin amplified on "Fox News Sunday." Here's part of what she said.

(Soundbite of TV show, "Fox News Sunday")

Ms. PALIN: Part of Paul Revere's ride - and it wasn't just one ride - he was a courier, he was a messenger. Part of his ride was to warn the British that we're already there, that, hey, you're not going to succeed. You're not going to take American arms. You are not going to beat our own well-armed persons, individual, private militia that we have. He did warn the British.

BLOCK: We are going to fact-check Palin's Paul Revere history now with Robert Allison. He's chair of the history department at Suffolk University in Boston.

Professor Allison, welcome to the program.

Professor ROBERT ALLISON (Chairman, History Department, Suffolk University): Thanks, Melissa.

BLOCK: And let's review Paul Revere's midnight ride, April 18, 1775. He's going to Lexington, Massachusetts. And according to Sarah Palin, he's riding his horse through town sending warning shots and ringing those bells. True?

Prof. ALLISON: Well, he's not firing warning shots. He is telling people so that they can ring bells to alert others. What he's doing is going from house to house, knocking on doors of members of the Committees of Safety saying the regulars are out. That is, he knew that General Gage was sending troops out to Lexington and Concord, really Concord, to seize the weapons being stockpiled there, but also perhaps to arrest John Hancock and Samuel Adams, leaders of the Continental Congress, who were staying in the town of Lexington.

Remember, Gage was planning - this is a secret operation, that's why he's moving at night. He gets over to Cambridge, the troops start marching from Cambridge, and church bells are ringing throughout the countryside.

BLOCK: So Paul Revere was ringing those bells? He was a silversmith, right?

Prof. ALLISON: Well, he was - he also was a bell ringer. That is, he rang the bells at Old North Church as a boy. But he personally is not getting off his horse and going to ring bells. He's telling other people - and this is their system before Facebook, before Twitter, before NPR, this was the way you get a message out is by having people ring church bells and everyone knows there is an emergency.

And by this time, of course, the various town Committees of Safety, militia knew what the signals were, so they knew something was afoot. So this is no longer a secret operation for the British.

Revere isn't trying to alert the British, but he is trying to warn them. And in April of 1775, no one was talking about independence. We're still part of the British Empire. We're trying to save it. So this is a warning to the British Empire what will happen if you provoke Americans.

BLOCK: And Sarah Palin also was saying there that Paul Revere's message to the British in his warning was: you're not going to take American arms. You know, basically a Second Amendment argument, even though the Second Amendment didn't exist then.

Prof. ALLISON: Yeah. She was making a Second Amendment case. But, in fact, the British were going out to Concord to seize colonists' arms, the weapons that the Massachusetts Provincial Congress was stockpiling there.

So, yeah, she is right in that. I mean, and she may be pushing it too far to say this is a Second Amendment case. Of course, neither the Second Amendment nor the Constitution was in anyone's mind at the time. But the British objective was to get the arms that were stockpiled in Concord.

BLOCK: So you think basically, on the whole, Sarah Palin got her history right.

Prof. ALLISON: Well, yeah, she did. And remember, she is a politician. She's not an historian. And God help us when historians start acting like politicians, and I suppose when politicians start writing history.

BLOCK: Are there other historians, Professor, whom you've talked with who say you're being entirely too charitable towards Sarah Palin here, and she really did misread American...

Prof. ALLISON: I haven't talked to many - well, I don't know. I mean, I haven't talked to too many historians today. And, you know, Sarah Palin is a lightning rod. I just was thinking about how many times, you know, I've spoken about Paul Revere. I've organized events about the American Revolution. No one ever pays any attention. Suddenly, Sarah Palin comes to town, makes an off-the-cuff remark about what she learned, and suddenly, you're calling me to find out what I think about Paul Revere and the American Revolution.

It's a great honor to talk to you, Melissa.

(Soundbite of laughter)

Prof. ALLISON: I wish it didn't take Sarah Palin coming to town to bring us together.

BLOCK: Well, we'll have to do this again sometime.

Prof. ALLISON: I hope so.

BLOCK: Professor Allison, thanks so much.

Prof. ALLISON: Thanks. Take care.

posted June 07, 2011 12:08 PM            

It's true that shots were fired and bells were rung, but not by Revere.

It's also true that Revere spoke to British officers — though that was by no means his intent.


But Revere makes no mention of specifically "warning" the British against trying to seize arms. - Factcheck.org

Materially wrong on ALL counts.

Let's do the tributing of wisdom correctly, shall we? Long before Lincoln was around this proverb was quite well known.

Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue. - Proverbs 17:28

Now you want to dig your grave further?

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Prof. ALLISON: Well, he's not firing warning shots. He is telling people so that they can ring bells to alert others.

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Contrasted with what Sarah Palin said: "And, you know, he who warned the British that they weren't going to be taking away our arms by ringing those bells and making sure, as he is riding his horse through town, to send those warning shots and bells, that we were going to be secure and we were going to be free."

Get it? She implies VERY explicitly that it's Paul Revere HIMSELF that's doing the ringing of bells and shooting warning shots.

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Prof. ALLISON: But he personally is not getting off his horse and going to ring bells.

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Once again, not him personally as she implied.

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Revere isn't trying to alert the British, but he is trying to warn them. And in April of 1775, no one was talking about independence. We're still part of the British Empire. We're trying to save it. So this is a warning to the British Empire what will happen if you provoke Americans.

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Highlighting this doesn't help your case. Palin said specifically that he warned the British against trying to confiscate arms.

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Prof. ALLISON: Well, yeah, she did. And remember, she is a politician. She's not an historian. And God help us when historians start acting like politicians, and I suppose when politicians start writing history.

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posted June 07, 2011 12:27 PM            

(Newser) – How can this be so complicated? Just as some historians are reluctantly backing up Sarah Palin's interpretation of revolutionary Paul Revere and his famous midnight ride, other historians are saying, no, she was wrong-o. "He didn't warn the British," as Palin said Revere did, according to James Giblin, author of The Many Rides of Paul Revere. "That's her most obvious blooper." Revere's "assignment that night was to go to Lexington to warn Samuel Adams and John Hancock that British troops were moving in that direction from Boston," explained Kristin Peszka, director of interpretation and visitor's services at the Paul Revere House, which Palin visited last week shortly after she offered her view of American history.

Revere spilled the beans about American weapons once he was captured by the British. But "he wasn't warning the British," Giblin tells ABC News, even though Palin said "part of his ride" was to warn them. "He was boasting about the capabilities of Americans. He was propagandizing." As for Palin's comment that Revere "rang those bells" to warn the Brits, Peszka insists: "People did ring bells that night. It was a common way of alerting people to come out. But Revere was not the person ringing the bells." The most troubling aspect of the affair is that it's "disconcerting to realize that no one seems to know what happened in this iconic event," said one historian.
http://www.newser.com/story/120364/no-palins-wrong-about-paul-revere-experts.html

Historians dispute Palin's Revere retell

NEW YORK, June 6 (UPI) -- American historians say they dispute Sarah Palin's Paul Revere ride interpretation, agreeing the patriot was not warning the British.

Speaking in Boston last week during her "One Nation Tour" last week, the 2008 Republican vice-presidential nominee recounted her interpretation of the Revolutionary War patriot's midnight ride saying the Minuteman and Sons of Liberty member "warned, uh, the ... the British that they weren't going to be taking away our arms, uh, by ringing those bells."

On Fox News Channel Sunday, she attempted to expand and explain what she meant.

"He didn't warn the British," said James Giblin, author of "The Many Rides of Paul Revere," ABC News reported. "That's her most obvious blooper."

"Revere's assignment that night was to go to Lexington to warn Samuel Adams and John Hancock that British troops were moving in that direction from Boston," said Kristin Peszka, director of interpretation and visitor's services at the Paul Revere House, which Palin visited Thursday before relating the Revere story.

Some historians say Palin's revisionist view of history has stirred the pot.

"It was an extremely complicated situation which she sort of regurgitated in a garbled way," Boston University's Brendan McConville said. "It has been, as an American history professor, disconcerting to realize that no one seems to know what happened in this iconic event."

Read more: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2011/06/06/Historians-dispute-Palins-Revere-retell/UPI-40781307403924/#ixzz1OblREqR6

posted June 07, 2011 01:56 PM            

Bitter clingers is the best thing that can be said about leftists.

Palin got it right
The drooling press got it wrong
Leftist sycophants got it wrong

Historians got it right and agree with Palin.
Revere's own account agrees with Palin.

Now, the bitter clingers of the left have egg all over their faces and can't let go of a story which only highlights their ignorance of American history.

posted June 07, 2011 02:11 PM              

i like this:
"It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt."
especially under the present circumstances...

fortunately for us your gal sal is not likely EVER to be silent for long, is she?

posted June 07, 2011 10:48 PM            

"He who warned, uh, the … the British that they weren't gonna be takin' away our arms, uh, by ringin' those bells and, um, by makin' sure that as he's ridin' his horse through town to send those warnin' shots and bells that, uh, we were gonna be secure and we were gonna be free … and we were gonna be armed."...Sarah Palin

Now katatonic, please show me where Palin SAID Revere "RODE TO WARN THE BRITISH"

She said no such thing.

Everything Palin said is true.

Revere warned the British
Shots were fired
Bells were rung

June 7, 2011
Big Media Eats Crow While Palin Plays Gotcha
M Catharine Evans

The mainstream media continues to embarrass itself while trying to embarrass Sarah Palin. From whining about having to pee on the side of the road in pursuit of the family tour bus to the newest feeding frenzy over Palin's Paul Revere remarks, they are exposing themselves as a juvenile lot. Their latest schoolyard taunt even has the liberal press breaking ranks.

The Boston Globe quoted Brendan McConville, a Boston University history professor admitting that Palin got her Revere facts right.

What she's saying there is essentially right...When Paul Revere was stopped by British soldiers the night of his famous ride, he did say to them that the countryside is mobilizing and you've lost the element of surprise.

Of course the liberal-minded McConville couldn't resist undermining Mrs. Palin by saying she was "lucky in her history as opposed to knowledgeable."

Andrew Malcolm of the L.A. Times also backed up Sarah's account

That the Republican non-candidate, in fact, knew more about the actual facts of Revere's midnight ride than all those idiots unknowingly revealing their own ignorance by laughing at her faux faux pas? How secretly embarrassing this must be, to be forced to face that you're dumber than the reputed dummy.

The well-known fable is Revere's late-night ride to warn fellow revolutionaries that...the British were coming. Less known, obviously, is the rest of the evening's events in which Revere was captured by said redcoats and did indeed defiantly warn them of the awakened militia awaiting their arrival ahead and of the American Revolution's inevitable victory.

Palin knew this. The on-scene reporters did not and ran off like Revere to alert the world to Palin's latest mis-speak, which wasn't.

Like a number of famous faux gaffes in American politics, the facts of the situation no longer really matter.

Yes, Andrew "the facts of the situation no longer really matter" unless you happen to be Barack Obama. At least Sarah was in the ballpark with her history. Who can forget his "misstatement" back in 2008.

It is wonderful to be back in Oregon...Over the last 15 months, we've traveled to every corner of the United States. I've now been in 57 states? I think one left to go. Alaska and Hawaii, I was not allowed to go to even though I really wanted to visit, but my staff would not justify it."

How about the bomb unleashed on Pearl Harbor?

Throughout our history, America's confronted constantly evolving danger, from the oppression of an empire, to the lawlessness of the frontier, from the bomb that fell on Pearl Harbor, to the threat of nuclear annihilation. Americans have adapted to the threats posed by an ever-changing world.

Or the 1965 March on Selma which inspired his birth in 1961?

There was something stirring across the country because of what happened in Selma, Alabama, because some folks are willing to march across a bridge. So they got together and Barack Obama Jr. was born. So don't tell me I don't have a claim on Selma, Alabama. Don't tell me I'm not coming home to Selma, Alabama.

The loyal propagandists of the American Pravda chalked up Obama's ignorance to a grueling campaign schedule. But after 2 ½ long years of trying to defend the indefensible the One's cordon sanitaire is breaking down. Palin bashing just isn't what it used to be.

posted June 08, 2011 09:44 AM            

Obama: "It was also interesting to see that political interaction in Europe is not that different from the United States Senate. There’s a lot of — I don’t know what the term is in Austrian — wheeling and dealing — and, you know, people are pursuing their interests, and everybody has their own particular issues and their own particular politics."

posted June 08, 2011 12:15 PM            

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"no, jwhop, she DID say "he rode to warn the british.." check the quote or vid again..."..katatonic

"He who warned, uh, the … the British that they weren't gonna be takin' away our arms, uh, by ringin' those bells and, um, by makin' sure that as he's ridin' his horse through town to send those warnin' shots and bells that, uh, we were gonna be secure and we were gonna be free … and we were gonna be armed."...Sarah Palin

Now katatonic, please show me where Palin SAID Revere "RODE TO WARN THE BRITISH"

She said no such thing.

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Additional comprehension problem?

Do you not see where Palin said "by makin' sure that as he's ridin' his horse through town to send those warnin' shots and bells"?

You clearly can't see the forest for the trees.

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they are exposing themselves as a juvenile lot. Their latest schoolyard taunt even has the liberal press breaking ranks.

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Ironic. The only juvenile lot I can see are those that are trying to make Palin out as some legitimate concise history-teller.

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What she's saying there is essentially right...When Paul Revere was stopped by British soldiers the night of his famous ride, he did say to them that the countryside is mobilizing and you've lost the element of surprise.

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Once again, highlighting stuff that doesn't help your case. What she said isn't "essentially" right. She said that he warned the Brits against trying to seize arms. That is not the same thing as warning that "the countryside is mobilizing and you've lost the element of surprise," as this historian says. It's absurd.

posted June 08, 2011 01:18 PM            

Sarah Palin did not say that Revere "Rode out to warn the British".

Revere "rode out" to warn those in the countryside and in the towns that the British Regulars were on the march. Revere was captured and warned the British that he had spread the alarm. As Revere said..."and that There would be five hundred Americans there in a short time, for I had alarmed the Country all the way up." AND..."We rode till we got near Lexington Meeting-house, when the Militia fired a Voley of Guns, which appeared to alarm them very much."

Palin is right. Historians agree Palin is right.

The British were warned
Shots were fired
Bells were rung

The drooling press and die hard disingenuous leftists with terminal ignorance of US history continue to get it wrong.

And no acoustic; I'm not going to resurrect Paul Revere so he can whisper in your ear..."Sarah Palin is right"...so don't ask.

posted June 08, 2011 01:32 PM            

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You acoustic are the very last person on earth from whom I would take lessons in the English language.

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You never were too bright.

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Sarah Palin did not say that Revere "Rode out to warn the British".

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Shall we quote Palin yet AGAIN??

He who warned, uh, the … the British that they weren't gonna be takin' away our arms

How did he do this, Palin?

"uh, by ringin' those bells and, um, by makin' sure that as he's ridin' his horse through town to send those warnin' shots and bells"

Oh really?! Fascinating. He warned the British BY ringin' those bells and BY makin' sure that as he's ridin' his horse through town to send those warnin' shots and bells.

It doesn't get any clearer, Jwhop.

Palin is NOT right. Never was right. Historians are being overly kind with her blunder.

The only ignorant person around these parts is you with your instance that what she said resembles the truth.

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And no acoustic; I'm not going to resurrect Paul Revere so he can whisper in your ear..."Sarah Palin is right"...so don't ask.

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posted June 08, 2011 11:59 PM              

Standard German in Austria
A street sign in Vienna, "Fußgeher" is normally replaced with "Fußgänger" (in English "Pedestrian") in Germany.With German being a pluricentric language, Austrian dialects should not be confused with the variety of Standard German spoken by most Austrians, which is distinct from that of Germany or Switzerland. Distinctions in vocabulary persist, for example, in culinary terms, where communication with Germans is frequently difficult, and administrative and legal language, which is due to Austria's exclusion from the development of a German nation-state in the late 19th century and its manifold particular traditions. A comprehensive collection of Austrian-German legal, administrative and economic terms is offered in: Markhardt, Heidemarie: Wörterbuch der österreichischen Rechts-, Wirtschafts- und Verwaltungsterminologie (Peter Lang, 2006).

pronunciation AND vocabulary have DISTINCT differences, you will note. if you ever visit england, jwhop, you will find either a) a lot of people do NOT understand you and b) you will not understand them. i think mark twain once mentioned this.

posted June 09, 2011 09:31 AM            

That would be the terminally ignorant press.

That would be the terminally ignorant left.

Reasonable, logical, rational people know when to fold their hand.

Palin was right on every single issue she raised about the ride(s) of Paul Revere.

Revere warned the British
Shots were fired
Bells were rung

Palin DID NOT say Revere "Rode to warn the British".

Palin DID NOT say Revere "fired any shots".

Palin DID NOT say Revere "rang any bells".

Paul Revere's account of "his ride" agrees with what Sarah Palin said.

Historians agree with the main points Sarah Palin made.

Of course, this leaves the know nothing leftists attempting to nibble around the edges of the argument because they are unable to refute the main thrust of what Sarah Palin said.

Quibbling about the definition of "Warn" is not going to win the argument.

Quibbling about "who" rang those bells is not going to win the argument.

Quibbling about "who" fired those shots is not going to win the argument.

Attempting to put words in Sarah Palin's mouth she didn't say is a dead bang losers argument.

Palin never said a word about the 2nd Amendment. Revere had never heard of the 2nd Amendment and Palin didn't put any words in Revere's mouth either.

Now, for those attempting to carry water for the irrational, illogical, unreasonable, ignorant left.

posted June 09, 2011 10:10 AM            

For the last two days I had heard that tensions between Evangelical & anti gay M. Bachmann have "ramped up" supposedly because they both wanted to announce candidacy for president. You know women, if it is over a man or a job position, forget it we will go to the mat.

Were they ever friends to begin with? Partners in aide to each other's agenda more like it.

Now I read on the front page of my ISP that Palinite Elisabeth Hasselbeck {from Barb Walters 'The View'} is pised and doesn't care who knows it.....oy I laughed and nearly sprayed coffee.

Hasselbeck you will remember was a useful tool to Ms Palin in her 08 fiasco. Now she reportedly never returns calls SO:

E.H.

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Elisabeth recently accused Sarah of "manipulating" the media to draw attention away from the more-serious Mitt Romney, and mocked her ex-friend's bus tour as another attempt to dominate the headlines. Sarah's decision to roll through New Hampshire on the day Mitt announced his run for the White House clearly annoyed the daytime star.

"If I had termites in my house, I'd get someone in there who could deal with it," Hasselbeck said on 'The View.' "Mitt Romney, right now, his specialty is the economy. I'd have him in there. Here's why we're not hearing it: because Sarah Palin's on a bus, and right now she's manipulating, in terms of media attention."

Before that, Elisabeth also condemned Sarah's "crosshairs" imagery on a fundraising website, calling them "despicable" after Rep. Gabrielle Gifford's, one of her 'targets' in the 2010 campaign, was shot during a voter meet-and-greet.

"Elisabeth feels used by Sarah," an insider tells me. "When she needed her, she was all over Elisabeth and now she treats her like a stranger. It's sad

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Hasselbeck usually annoys the heck out of me {her style of delivery more than anything else}

In this instance I quite naturally agree.

and if Palin ever announces she is indeed running I will eat a well prepared plate of crow. She is exactly where she wants to be. The camera is on her, she has zero accountability, and the monies are pouring in. Me? I wonder how her kid is doing on that bus.

posted June 09, 2011 11:06 AM            

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Of course, this leaves the know nothing leftists attempting to nibble around the edges of the argument because they are unable to refute the main thrust of what Sarah Palin said.

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There has been NO nibbling on the edges. The main thrust of what she said has always been the crux of the dispute. Don't try to distort this further in your mind.

posted June 09, 2011 11:39 AM            

I would say that roughly 75% of Americans would never vote Palin, I haven't googled it.

posted June 09, 2011 12:21 PM              

WHAT didn't she say, jwhop?

i don't give a hang about the leftists, this is blatantly the opposite of what you are trying to put over. the fact that she refuses to admit it and that you and many others are desperately trying to rewrite history to make it look like a simple misread, bothers me more.

but node is right, palin as actual candidate is not the same as palin as media-fodder.

posted June 09, 2011 01:01 PM            

Sarah Palin said...

Revere warned the British
Shots were fired
Bells were rung

This is confirmed to have happened...by historians and by Revere's own account.

Quibbling about details is a dead bang loser...as all your arguments are.