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jwhop
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posted September 06, 2009 09:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, are you now withdrawing the bullshiit that Sarah Palin is in favor of Alaska seceding from the United States katatonic...or not?

Get used to the idea of President Sarah Palin.

By the time 2012 rolls around voters will be ready to give O'Bomber the same kind of heave they gave Jimmy The Teeth Carter. I expect O'Bomber to eclipse Carter's record of incompetence and general reputation as the worst President in US history.

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posted September 06, 2009 09:27 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
yes and you expected hillary would ace obama in the nomination race too.

you didn't answer me. who said this?

"Real patriots get behind the Administration and Congress when the people have decided by election who is going to represent them and show a united front to enemies of America....whatever they may think privately."

do i have to give you the answer? because if you don't i will.

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jwhop
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posted September 06, 2009 09:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Be my guest katatonic.

Funny though, you don't seem to understand the hypocrisy of using that statement when you and your friends...some here, some at the most radical organizations in America UTTERLY FAILED to get behind George W Bush when he was ELECTED TWICE to the Presidency of the United States.

Leftists and hypocrisy go hand in hand.

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posted September 06, 2009 09:49 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
darling, it wasn't ME who said that. it was you. so spare me the lecture on hypocrisy. some people actually think INFORMED dissent is an important ingredient in the democratic process. rabble rousing is another thing. rabble rousing is one of the dangers the constitution was written to prevent!

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jwhop
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posted September 06, 2009 11:27 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I have never at any time strung together the words you attribute to me katatonic.

But since you brought this subject up, this is your chance to prove it...right here. Go fish and find me saying anyplace on this site or elsewhere that those who do not get behind an elected administration are unpatriotic or traitors.

And good luck finding me saying the words..unpatriotic or traitors "in that context".

It goes without saying that those who give aid and comfort to enemies of the United States are traitors. That's the Constitutional definition of treason.

Singing from the terrorist hymnal, parroting their propaganda and attempting to throw a war to hang a war loss on the United States IS treason.

Now katatonic, go fish and find where I used unpatriotic and traitor in the context you suggest...as in not getting behind an elected president. Oh, and don't attempt to say what I did say is the same thing. It's not.

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posted September 06, 2009 11:42 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i quoted you directly from your post. are you going to pretend i didn't now? i've linked it twice for you on the other side - he's a sick sick sick man - YOU go fish.

saying one doesn't agree with the administration is not the same as whipping up the mob, jwhop. and calling me names won't get your cheerleader into the oval office.

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posted September 06, 2009 11:44 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
you ARE high.

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jwhop
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posted September 07, 2009 01:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You're not going to get away with ducking on your allegation katatonic.

Post...right here..and in it's entirety, unedited, my comment whereby you allege I said "people who do not get behind an elected president are unpatriotic and/or traitors."

Oh yeah, one more thing.

Be sure to post a link to the thread.

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posted September 07, 2009 03:15 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
She already did, which is what she said:

    Real patriots get behind the Administration and Congress when the people have decided by election who is going to represent them and show a united front to enemies of America....whatever they may think privately. - Jwhop May 02, 2006 http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum16/HTML/001915.html

So indeed it is you who is being hypocritical and running counter to your previously stated position on elected officials.

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posted September 07, 2009 11:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I can understand why you wouldn't want to post what I actually said katatonic.

What I actually said destroys your phony argument that I called Americans who protest their government..unpatriotic or traitors.

You...and everyone else will note there was a further context to what I said.

Further katatonic, what I said is FOUND IN THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.

Now katatonic, it would come as no surprise to me that you either don't know what the US Constitution says or don't give a rats ass.

"Real patriots don't badmouth the military or the country or the administration during a time of war. That gives aid and comfort to the enemy as you and your band of fringe radical leftists have already done....some in the Congress of the United States.

Article 111 USC
Section 3.
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort.

Hey katatonic, up yours.

The protesters...at the time this was written were protesting on behalf of International A.N.S.W.E.R....a Communist front organization of the Communist Workers World Party...a Stalinist group which dotes on the brain dead little loony-tunes Dear Leader of North Korea...Kim Jong Il. They were protesting in favor of Saddam Hussein..to keep another little murdering, raping, torturing Socialist dictator in power...this, after the Congress of the United States passed the Joint Resolution authorizing military force to remove Saddam. Marching in the streets was a vote to keep their little Socialist dictator in power in Iraq. Apparently, for these brain dead morons, killing about a million Iraqi citizens wasn't enough. They wanted more Iraqi citizens raped, tortured or murdered.

How about you katatonic?

Did you want to see more Iraqi citizens raped, tortured and/or murdered too? Were you out in the streets attempting to keep the "The Butcher of Baghdad" in power in Iraq?

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posted September 07, 2009 12:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You...and everyone else will note there was a further context to what I said.

Like Dr. Emanuel's writings?

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posted September 07, 2009 04:06 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
welcome to the power of the press!

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posted September 07, 2009 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Absolutely NOT like Zeke Emaneul's writings.

The further you read into Zekes scribblings to more you realize this guy is a total nut and not the moral ethicist he claims to be.

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posted September 07, 2009 05:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Node     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And back to our regularly scheduled programming...

Fishing for the big ones, with ex Governor turned reality show host, Sarah Paling.

Smattering of applause

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posted September 07, 2009 08:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You mean absolutely YES like Dr. Emanuel's writings?.. of which you've only read snippets that were provided to you by those who would seek to give you an opinion.

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posted September 07, 2009 08:29 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
No acoustic and don't presume to tell me what I mean...or tell me what I know about Zeke Emanuel.

I know sufficiently to know Zeke is a nutcase who believes medical care should be rationed according to a persons "usefulness" to society.

That's enough to dismiss anything further Zeke the unethical phony ethicist has to say about much of anything. Being that far out of step with the traditions and values of America and Americans disqualifies Zeke from any position in government dealing with health care...or much of anything else.

My position on Zeke and anyone else who thinks like Zeke is that they should be euthanized before they get the chance to kill millions of Americans by denial of treatment.

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posted September 07, 2009 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will absolutely presume to tell you what you mean when you get something wrong. That's my freedom.

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I know sufficiently to know Zeke is a nutcase who believes medical care should be rationed according to a persons "usefulness" to society.

But you don't know that the context was within the scenario of having LIMITED availability of medical treatment, and THAT changes everything. If you're in a small village in some third world country, and you only have the means of saving a limited number of affected people, how do you decide on treatment? You can't treat everyone (like you can in America). Decisions have to be made. That's what he was writing about. That's where this rationing BS came from. It's completely out-of-context, and you should know that since you posted at least one of his papers here yourself.

Understand something for once!

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posted September 08, 2009 12:03 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You may tell me I'm wrong acoustic...if you want to back it up with some "actual facts" but...

forget all about telling me what I mean. I say exactly what I mean on almost all if not all occassions.

Or acoustic, if you should persist in your nonsense, I'll be happy to tell you what you really must mean...considering your record here of almost never getting anything right.

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posted September 08, 2009 01:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I did back it up with actual facts Jwhop. You may be too dense or lack the comprehension to notice, but what I said is INDEED FACTUAL (as it was the first time).

And I am free to tell you you're wrong or tell you what you mean regardless of the circumstance. You don't dictate to me. And if you think I get your meaning wrong, guess what? That means I've corrected your wrong thinking, because I don't think like you. I'm rational.

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posted September 08, 2009 09:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I'm the one who backed up the facts about the immoral, unethical fraud and so called medical ethicist Zeke Emanuel; not you acoustic.

He said what he said, get used to it and live with the fact your immoral unethical little theorizing geek is a dead bang loser.

Zeke Emanuel bears a much closer policy resemblance to the Nazis Heinrich Himmler and Josef Mengele than anyone rational Americans would want to know.

Sarah Palin nailed Zeke. "Death Panel".

Let's give Zeke a taste of his own medicine and deny Zeke any further health care. He has no "usefulness to society".

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posted September 08, 2009 10:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Providing out-of-context writings of his is NOT backing your position up with facts. It's closer to backing yourself up with fantasy. It's tough to "debate" someone that refuses to acknowledge the facts.

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posted September 09, 2009 10:17 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
i found it interesting that obama suggested congress should not be entitled to affordable insurance courtesy of the government if they couldn't figure out a way for everyone to have it. isn't that what uncle sean was saying awhile ago? or was it the american stinker?

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posted September 12, 2009 08:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for jwhop     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You can't take....restricting or refusing health care cures, surgery or drug therapy to seniors, chronically ill or those who are judged...not useful to society..OUT OF CONTEXT acoustic.

But, that's the immoral, unethical medical ethicist Zeke Emanual's flash of brilliance.

In the meantime, Sarah Palin continues to nuke O'Bomber and the immoral, unethical Zeke Emanuel.

Sarah Palin cracked the O'Bomber/Emanuel code. How come you can't..given your "self identified brilliance"...acoustic?

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posted September 12, 2009 02:59 PM           Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
oi vey!

every time you tell a woman she HAS to have a baby because she's pregnant, you are deciding which - mother or child - is more important. the catholic church does this all the time. and this kind of decision has to be made in many places around the world, including on the battlefield. "are we going to spend all our time and supplies on this brain dead one, or that one who is fine except for the shattered leg?"

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posted September 13, 2009 03:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for AcousticGod     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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You can't take....restricting or refusing health care cures, surgery or drug therapy to seniors, chronically ill or those who are judged...not useful to society..OUT OF CONTEXT acoustic.

You have and you did. I've already explained this to you. What part don't you understand about his rationing comments being in the context of limited medical resources? Do you really not get it?

What would you advise a doctor do if the doctor can only save 5 of 20 people with his/her resources?

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