posted February 24, 2014 09:13 PM            

It's funny.. but practically untrue 80% of the time, if not more.
When someone who knows you well - who is with you - who sleeps with you - thinks intuitively that something is wrong, very often something truly is wrong.

posted February 24, 2014 09:14 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
No.. No they shouldnt

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Oh please.. go party with your air-influenced friends who likewise have no intuition..
Buh bye now

I wanted to mention that girl's sign in my previous post - but I decided not to.. so noone takes it personally.

posted February 25, 2014 03:02 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
But odette your point is invalid because its not an example of intuition, its called common sense. He was openly acting sleazy, so it wasn't a stretch to assume he was.

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Plus, this accurately describes 80% of guys:

posted February 25, 2014 07:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Oh please.. go party with your air-influenced friends who likewise have no intuition..

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I don't think it's true that air signs don't have intuition... I'm intuitive all the time, I just prefer to back it up with facts. So when I meet someone and instantly dislike them, I work really hard on figuring out why. It is important to me because I want to be fair in my judgment. I need to figure out if I dislike them because of something about them, or whether it really has to do with myself. It's usually a combination. My friends complain that I judge too quickly, but they usually come around to my point of view later.

The situation you were speaking of with your friend, was, to me, not based solely on intuition but also on facts. You gave us all the reasons why you didn't like him, how he was acting out and hitting on absolutely everyone. Based on those facts you made a judgment.

I think intuition can be good, but it's really just a word for the feeling you get when you perceive something about someone, but don't know why. For example, an intuitive person can look at a person's face and tell when they are lying. A logical person can do the same thing, but will be able to tell you how they know; they recognized the eyebrow twitch, or the person looked to the wrong side.

Likewise, an intuitive person will be able to tell when something is off about someone and can act accordingly... But a logical person wants to be able to substantiate the claim in reference to actions, words or gestures. I think both are necessary. Intuition tells you that you should investigate further. Logic tells you why.

posted February 25, 2014 07:46 AM            

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Originally posted by PixieJane:
Kidding! It's only 75%

KIDDING!

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True, now go and make me a sandwich Women - and don't you forget it:

posted February 25, 2014 04:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Story: Myself and my very logical friend who does not use her intuition because she likes to exclusively pay attention to the facts.

Guy – hits on 10 different women right in front of her.
- tries to chat her up
- tries to chat all of her friends up
- constantly brings up how much he just loves dating shows *shrug*
- asks instigating questions publicly – e.g. “would you say a woman’s primary goal in life is to get married?”

I have a conversation with Friend. Guy comes up in this conversation.
I say: “I think he is sleazy”.. She says: “HUH?? What?? Why?” and goes on a rant about how nice and friendly he is and how I’m probably imagining things with my nonexistent intuition.

Fast forward months later…

Another conversation with the same girl.. about the same guy – She is now telling me how much of a jerk he is – because during a formal event – which she attended – he was behaving really badly – putting his arm around certain people in an inappropriate way (VIPs.. not just anyone) – and even slapping someone on the butt.. and then being asked to leave by a security guard.
So I say: “Umm yeah I kinda knew he was like that” and leave it at that.
I didn’t do the whole ‘I told you so’.. because I realized she had no recollection of the initial conversation we had about this guy.
I was just surprised that it took her such a long time to figure out that he is a jerk.

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That's called multiple reputation.

posted February 25, 2014 07:17 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Regardless of what you think about "intuition" I think everyone would agree that things would be a lot easier if everyone was more direct, including women. I especially appreciate Sibyl for acknowledging that she can understand how women can be perplexing to men. But it kind of disappoints me that she has the mindset that "i'm not going to do anything about it because it would make me feel uncomfortable" . Im sorry ladies but the "well guys wouldn't like it if i was more assertive" excuse is getting old. Its just a cop out women use because they don't want to step outside their comfort zone and risk getting rejected. Guess what? Men have insecurities too and we can be just as shy. Men have been stepping outside of their comfort zones since the beginning of time even though they may have felt insecure or anxious about it. so I would really like to see more women stepping up to the plate and I think most men would agree that it would be a positive thing.

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Look, I appreciate what you are saying. I agree that it is not cool to just embrace your insecurities and not do anything about them... And I'm not, really. But change is really hard, and it takes time. Especially when the issues are deep-rooted. Changing yourself is SO HARD. I have had to do it over and over and over, and I have already grown so much. I know myself, and I'm not saying I want an assertive person. I need one. Otherwise I don't see how it could ever work out, I can grow... But only so much. At this point I don't believe I would ever be able to get past the initial insecurities or the first fight if the guy isn't confident enough in himself and is not assertive enough with me.

posted February 25, 2014 07:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Sibyl:
Look, I appreciate what you are saying. I agree that it is not cool to just embrace your insecurities and not do anything about them... And I'm not, really. But change is really hard, and it takes time. Especially when the issues are deep-rooted. Changing yourself is SO HARD. I have had to do it over and over and over, and I have already grown so much. I know myself, and I'm not saying I want an assertive person. I need one. Otherwise I don't see how it could ever work out, I can grow... But only so much. At this point I don't believe I would ever be able to get past the initial insecurities or the first fight if the guy isn't confident enough in himself and is not assertive enough with me.

Personal relationships are hard for me because I have so many insecurities about other people. I'm very confident in myself, but bottom line is I don't trust others very much. Why would I, when I have never experienced emotional security? So opening up and approaching people first is really hard. I have no qualms about approaching people in a social setting... But feelings terrify me. The last time I fell in love I jumped countries for God's sake. So please don't judge me too harshly. I have issues and I'm working on them... But they take time.

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posted February 25, 2014 07:40 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
I would think it would depend on a person's Venus, really. I have Venus in Aries, and I've never been shy about going after a guy if I really liked him, even when I was in grade school.
*shrug*

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posted February 25, 2014 07:40 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Im not judging you. And i actually have respect for you because you are aware of these things. Im just saying its not much different for guys.

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posted February 25, 2014 08:06 PM            

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Yes, I know. I just personally want to avoid people who have the same kinds of insecurities as me as I don't think it would be very constructive for either of us.

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posted February 25, 2014 08:30 PM            

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sibyl:
[b] Yes, I know. I just personally want to avoid people who have the same kinds of insecurities as me as I don't think it would be very constructive for either of us.

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posted February 25, 2014 08:34 PM            

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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by aquaguy91:
[b] [QUOTE]Originally posted by Sibyl:
[b] Yes, I know. I just personally want to avoid people who have the same kinds of insecurities as me as I don't think it would be very constructive for either of us.

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posted February 25, 2014 09:05 PM            

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posted February 25, 2014 10:35 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I know some women are more assertive in these matters but they are a rarity. And I agree that astrological influences might play a part but regardless of all of that guys have always had to make the moves even if they are shy and unassertive.

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I don't mean to be argumentative, but isn't that statement sort of contradictory? If a woman is more assertive, and makes the first move, then how is it possible that guys have always had to make the moves?

I've told guys outright "I like you" after hanging out for a while, and been the first to initiate contact, conversation, and making plans to hang out. Actually, I've done that in almost every relationship I've been in, except with my husband.
In that case, we both just "knew", and nothing much had to be said by either of us.

posted February 25, 2014 10:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
I don't mean to be argumentative, but isn't that statement sort of contradictory? If a woman is more assertive, and makes the first move, then how is it possible that guys have always had to make the moves?

I've told guys outright "I like you" after hanging out for a while, and been the first to initiate contact, conversation, and making plans to hang out. Actually, I've done that in almost every relationship I've been in, except with my husband.
In that case, we both just "knew", and nothing much had to be said by either of us.

What about that girl you worked with who looked you up?

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posted February 25, 2014 10:44 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
I never said girls never make the first move. I did say guys get saddled with that responsibility the vast majority of the time. Would you agree or disagree?

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Eh...I don't know. I know some women who are shy and won't make the first move, and I know some guys who require a more outgoing woman who will make the first move.

I'm not sure that guys usually get saddled with the responsibility most of the time or not, honestly.

I suppose it all depends on a number of factors, realistically.
I guess if that's been your experience, then it's true for you. It's hard to say...

posted February 25, 2014 10:52 PM            

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Originally posted by Violets:
Eh...I don't know. I know some women who are shy and won't make the first move, and I know some guys who require a more outgoing woman who will make the first move.

I'm not sure that guys usually get saddled with the responsibility most of the time or not, honestly.

I suppose it all depends on a number of factors, realistically.
I guess if that's been your experience, then it's true for you. It's hard to say...

In my experience, no. At least with the people I know, it seems to be about 50/50. Especially depending on signs and placements and whatnot.

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