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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted February 27, 2014 01:58 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
You are way out in the Tennessee sticks, are there a lot of Aspies way out there, Aqua?

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aquaguy91
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posted February 27, 2014 02:05 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Violets:
Um, no. I'm asking you a very straightforward question. Point blank.

You are trying to toy with me because you know I have aspergers.. You know as well as I do that is what he was trying to imply.. Its not that hard to figure out because its used against guys all the time... Guys are accused of seeing women as "objects" or "objectifying" women all the time. Therefore its not too hard to read between the lines when someone uses such language , even if you happen to be an aspie.

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aquaguy91
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posted February 27, 2014 02:06 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
You are way out in the Tennessee sticks, are there a lot of Aspies way out there, Aqua?

I haven't met many locally, no.

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Violets
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posted February 27, 2014 02:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:

You are trying to toy with me because you know I have aspergers.. You know as well as I do that is what he was trying to imply.. Its not that hard to figure out because its used against guys all the time... Guys are accused of seeing women as "objects" or "objectifying" women all the time. Therefore its not too hard to read between the lines when someone uses such language , even if you happen to be an aspie.

Look, dude.
I don't play stupid games, and no. I'm not trying to "toy with you" because I know that you have AS.

I happen to have worked in the mental health field, and I don't f*ck with people like that because I find it highly unethical.

I honestly do not think that's what Kero was implying (although maybe I'm mistaken).

I am asking you a question, point blank.

Do they have support groups in your area, and are you trying to get help with your AS?

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posted February 27, 2014 02:09 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Padre35     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
He accused me of seeing women as objects of affection and not wanting to see them as equals which translates to "you just wanna get laid" . This is the number 1 shaming tactic used against men.

That is just plain wrong, what I am saying is one self flagellates /bc "women are so hard to read, make it easier!!!!!!!!!"

What could be easier to see then blinking lights on a home router?

To make it even simpler in re lights agenda:

-0-uhm yeah..she went nuclear
-1- smile, sort of, looks nervous
-2-shakes hand, semi smile
-3-hug
-4- hug and back pat/kiss on cheek/why did you not text me!
-5- dude, I like you, hop in the back of my car, STFU, let's go to my place

Meanwhile, after witnessing the self flagellation, I'm curious about the whole bar culture deal

Had a buddy tell me, point blank, Bachelorette parties are the WORST tippers called how much they would tip him..and they did..down to the penny

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posted February 27, 2014 02:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Violets:
Look, dude.
I don't play stupid games, and no. I'm not trying to "toy with you" because I know that you have AS.

I happen to have worked in the mental health field, and I don't f*ck with people like that because I find it highly unethical.

I honestly do not think that's what Kero was implying (although maybe I'm mistaken).

I am asking you a question, point blank.

Do they have support groups in your area, and are you trying to get help with your AS?



I don't go to support groups,no.. I mainly read books on social skills and body language and such and try to be aware of myself and be careful of what I say... Funny thing is I even read a dating advice book for men with Aspergers written by a woman.. I had high hopes for thar book and it was next to worthless..

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted February 27, 2014 02:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Aqua, I have heard Aspie support groups are iffy at best especially if you are very mild.

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posted February 27, 2014 02:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So.
The other question I asked was:
Do they have support groups in your area?

Going to a support group should not be an embarrassing thing, for the record.

I think that most people have needed them in one form or another in their lives.

The question still remains, are they available where you live?

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posted February 27, 2014 02:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
Aqua, I have heard Aspie support groups are iffy at best especially if you are very mild.

Have you been to one as a person with AS?

I wouldn't discount them automatically.

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posted February 27, 2014 02:23 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for aquaguy91     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Violets:
So.
The other question I asked was:
Do they have support groups in your area?

Going to a support group should not be an embarrassing thing, for the record.

I think that most people have needed them in one form or another in their lives.

The question still remains, are they available where you live?



I dont know..

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Violets
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posted February 27, 2014 02:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I will look it up for you, if you want me to.
That is the type of thing that I do for people.

When people want or need resources, I dig around and find out where they can obtain those resources.

I do it in my spare time, since I don't work anymore.

I don't mind, and I do it for people I know all the time. Everyone has issues.

If you want me to find resources for AS near you, just email me. Go to Health and Healing, and find my email.

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted February 27, 2014 02:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Violets:
Have you been to one as a person with AS?

I wouldn't discount them automatically.


I've heard it's difficult to find other Aspies with mild AS at such places is all so if that's what he is looking for, he shouldn't be surprised there aren't many.

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posted February 27, 2014 02:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for PixieJane     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
You can find tons of blogs , websites, and youtube videos talking about the same things im talking about... Men have no problem talking about these things when they are behind the cloak of the internet..

You can find tons of blogs, websites, etc, talking about anything, stuff that would blow your mind. And also people who would argue everything you say. The blogs you choose to keep up with are but a small fraction of all the blogs out there, though I don't doubt there are many. I know you don't keep up with others because you call people here radical feminists and some of those blogs (like one saying Joss Whedon promotes rape in Firefly as an example off the top of my head) would show you what radical feminism is all about, which is very different from people here (and plenty here are Joss Whedon fans btw, particularly of Firefly).

ETA: I don't know why the link to that blog won't stay active so here it is again:
http://users.livejournal.com/_allecto_/34718.html

If it doesn't work then it's called "A Rapist's View of the World: Joss Whedon and Firefly" by allecto (that should tell you enough to find it).

Though in regards to that radical feminist blog I will say I do believe Buffy is fairly feminist (in the moderate rather than radical sense) but it does make me laugh how often Buffy ends getting saved by a guy. Ironically, it was the show that made me admire the guy (Xander) above all others because he was completely ordinary who would not give up or quit while always able to crack a joke (even when a woman hating pseudo-preacher gouged out one of his eyes, though granted it was a bit forced at first), and though dorky at times he was also one of the most insightful of them all at other times, and that's a problem making the females super heroes, witches, and supernatural critters, the ordinary guy who stands with them...and up to them, and even saved the world against Dark Willow when Buffy failed...makes him the most brave and impressive of them all. The most irreverent part is where Xander even helps them fight a goddess...and does so by smashing the goddess with a wrecking ball. No wonder radical feminists (as opposed to moderate) hate it.

And gotta love how Buffy nearly killed herself fighting the demon avenger of wronged women but Giles the male librarian kicked the women avenging demon's butt in seconds by using his brains.

That tangent aside you can find blogs and videos saying anything & everything, and most of them will have many fans who agree with it (including the evil or superiority of whites or the wealthy, to the world only being a few thousand years old, to the world controlled by shapeshifting lizards). The ones you see don't have a monopoly on THE truth, they're just drops in the ocean of the blogosphere, YT, etc.

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posted February 27, 2014 02:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
I've heard it's difficult to find other Aspies with mild AS at such places is all so if that's what he is looking for, he shouldn't be surprised there aren't many.

I've known a few people with mild AS, and they've gotten help through various resources, including support groups and therapy.
I think AG should be the judge of whether or not it's his cup of tea, without putting negativity on the experience preemptively.

No offense.

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted February 27, 2014 02:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Violets:
I've known a few people with mild AS, and they've gotten help through various resources, including support groups and therapy.
I think AG should be the judge of whether or not it's his cup of tea, without putting negativity on the experience preemptively.

No offense.



Nothing wrong with a little research first though to see if it is your cup of tea.
AS is something that varies greatly from person to person and he sounds very high functioning so he might want to find a support group for the ones who are higher functioning because he will be able to get the most from that.
A lot of places just put everyone together regardless of where they are on the spectrum.

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posted February 27, 2014 02:44 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I agree with the first part. Putting everyone together...well, that might be the case, but a person would just have to stick with people they can identify with and realize that it's a spectrum disorder, and there might be people there who are higher on the spectrum.

The same with any type of support group.

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posted February 27, 2014 02:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
It's just sometimes there are none at the support groups. Sorry, it's just what many people have said who have tried to find one.

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posted February 27, 2014 02:51 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:
It's just sometimes there are none at the support groups. Sorry, it's just what many people have said who have tried to find one.

One size doesn't fit all. I'm not sure what you mean by "many", but I don't think that's it's productive to offer AG an automatically pessimistic view of support groups.

They're very helpful for a lot of people, depending on the resources available.

I know this not only from my own experience going to a different type of support group, but also from working in a field that has a lot to do with helping people acclimate to their environment.

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posted February 27, 2014 02:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for FireMoon     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@PixieJane, this is random but I actually used to love Buffy and watched it all the time when I was younger. Haven't seen it in years though, it would be interesting to go back and see all the gender nuances

eta, David Boreanaz was one of my only celebrity crushes, and isn't it interesting that he was a vampire "cursed" with a soul who only became evil once he had sex lol...

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posted February 27, 2014 02:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Violets:
One size doesn't fit all. I'm not sure what you mean by "many", but I don't think that's it's productive to offer AG an automatically pessimistic view of support groups.

They're very helpful for a lot of people, depending on the resources available.


All I am saying is I have heard from people who have tried it's very difficult to find good ones for AS in particular. I have seen many complaints about this.
He might have a different experience, who knows?
I've even heard it's just parents of autistic kids at some of them and people go thinking it's for people with AS.

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posted February 27, 2014 02:55 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by StarlightSmileSupreme:

He might have a different experience, who knows?

Exactly.

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posted February 27, 2014 02:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Violets     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Anyway, signing off for tonight.

AG, if you want me to help you find resources in your area, just shoot me an email.

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StarlightSmileSupreme
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posted February 27, 2014 03:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for StarlightSmileSupreme     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
And there's one more thing, Aqua, a Non Verbal Language Disability. Have you heard of that?
People with this have trouble figuring out non verbal communication and body language. They might not have so much trouble with Theory of Mind which is more AS related.

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posted February 27, 2014 08:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for YoursTrulyAlways     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
There are many Aspies who are successful at family-based social interaction and relationships with those to them. Each person is different. I'm an Aspie too. Both my sons are Aspies, as was my dad and my brother. We do alright in our unique ways.

Would you guys not admit that Aquaguy91 is correct in that looks are important to women his age and that superficial first impressions are what attract interest? I know it is here in the big city as well.

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posted February 27, 2014 08:59 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sibyl     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by YoursTrulyAlways:
There are many Aspies who are successful at family-based social interaction and relationships with those to them. Each person is different. I'm an Aspie too. Both my sons are Aspies, as was my dad and my brother. We do alright in our unique ways.

Would you guys not admit that Aquaguy91 is correct in that looks are important to women his age and that superficial first impressions are what attract interest? I know it is here in the big city as well.


Where I'm at it's all about status. Where I come from it's a little about looks and allot about athleticism. I think it really depends.

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