posted May 16, 2015 05:11 PM            

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
"no, they're not you, you aren't them, you aren't to blame, you don't need to be forgiven for you did nothing wrong."
...Because most of the time, survivors don't get to hear that.

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posted May 16, 2015 05:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
We all obviously have different opinions about this kind of things, and I don't think Voix asked for a debate when she created this thread. So, please, can we just try to understand and respect everybody's perspective and get on with the astrology here ?

For Voix.

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Discussing the synastry gives the impression this happened because there is some sort of "special connection" between Voix and her abuser and this is NOT the case.

posted May 16, 2015 05:19 PM            

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
I see where you're coming from.
I feel like some people just need to be told simple things like that.
Like "no, they're not you, you aren't them, you aren't to blame, you don't need to be forgiven for you did nothing wrong."
...Because most of the time, survivors don't get to hear that.

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Very true!! Love heals all if it's truly unconditional love.
One way I used to heal was to pay attention to my behaviors. To pay attention to what my soul said, what my personality was like and how I behaved.
I'd write behaviors down and then decide if what I saw was me or was that me reacting to something someone had put in me.
I'd try to identify who put what in me and how they did it, then I'd chose to give it back to them. I didn't have anyone to talk to or help me so I wrote a book in order to express it and try to make sense of it. Honestly that was the best thing ever because it organized my experiences and lete see patterns that I was not seeing before.

posted May 16, 2015 05:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
True happiness can only be found when we rise above the low vibrational emotions....holding onto those emotions brings sadness, stress, fear. You can chose to rise above it all and be happy, it's a choice that few make but it's the only one that brings true peace.

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posted May 16, 2015 05:24 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Disliking and rejecting something is a very healthy emotion, Gabby You dislike, draw a line, say No, and then you embrace what you like, you fill your time with what you like, you forget about it, you see it as dead It's in the No box, and every time you see it, you kill it.

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I guess what everyone is not understanding is the place both her and I are at, is beyond that. We already felt it and now have moved into the next stage, the stage where you got all the hate and anger out...now you don't need to label or judge it serves no purpose. You just want to be at peace.

posted May 16, 2015 05:33 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
All in all, I can't imagine what you have been through. Voix, Gabby, Bluejay, Auby and everyone else with such a story, you are my heroes, my warrior princesses.

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posted May 16, 2015 05:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
I've always been intrigued to investigate STOCKHOLM (10552) in these things.

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posted May 16, 2015 05:36 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
All in all, I can't imagine what you have been through. Voix, Gabby, Bluejay, Auby and everyone else with such a story, you are my heroes, my warrior princesses.

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posted May 16, 2015 05:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
You don't understand the place she's at....like you said you at the beginning, you will on e your further along. She's done some amazing work to be where she is, most would not have held I to their sanity...she's very powerful! The fact that she can forgive something so horrific and try to understand this experience beyond the human way, she's trying to understand it as her souls evolution not just her physical life during this incarnation. This shows her souls depth of strength and power!

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Gabby, you may also apply this strength to yourself.

There are only two other people in my life who have understood this like you do: my psychologist, and a colleague, who is also working in trauma.

I think we have all lived through this so deeply, died so many times, and roared back to life so many times, that it is impossible to verbalise it.

I think you truly have to have walked this path to get it.

posted May 16, 2015 05:41 PM            

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
People tend to give a bad connotation to the feeling of hate.
They teach us it's immature to hate.
We have to grow out of this mentality and learn that hate is a VALID feeling, as much as any other.
Feeling and accepting its raw existence is validating ourselves.

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Personally, I have done the hate.

When I stopped hating myself, I started hating him. When I stopped hating him, I was free.

It's a process. It is wisdom that protects me now, and others, not hate.

posted May 16, 2015 05:41 PM            

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Originally posted by Seimei:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aubyanne:
[b]I've always been intrigued to investigate STOCKHOLM (10552) in these things.

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posted May 16, 2015 05:45 PM            

Part of the healing is to understand that feeling anger and hate is not wrong.
Your anger and hate are powerful feelings and I know they can be scary, draining and dark at first.
But they can also fuel you to fight, to heal. To purify your ashes and rise again new, strong, powerful.
Accept your feelings, embrace them.

posted May 16, 2015 05:46 PM            

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Originally posted by olgatheo:
Thank you Voix for sharing your story , your very brave !
@Gabby your a special human being !!

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posted May 16, 2015 05:46 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
We all obviously have different opinions about this kind of things, and I don't think Voix asked for a debate when she created this thread. So, please, can we just try to understand and respect everybody's perspective and get on with the astrology here ?

For Voix.

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Thank you Peluches.

Aries23 has also offered to discuss the astrology.

It looks like the synastry of abuser-abused, when it is a child, is too sensitive.

I am truly sorry for any negative effect this thread may have had on those whose lives have been affected by childhood sexual abuse.

posted May 16, 2015 05:51 PM            

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
I know what it's like to not want to have these feelings anymore - to be normal.
To not want to fill the victim role anymore - to be normal.
To want to be at peace like everybody else - to be normal.

Part of the healing is to understand that feeling anger and hate is not wrong.
Your anger and hate are powerful feelings and I know they can be scary, draining and dark at first.
But they can also fuel you to fight, to heal. To purify your ashes and rise again new, strong, powerful.
Accept your feelings, embrace them.

Would you distance yourself from love, like you distance yourself from hate?

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posted May 16, 2015 05:53 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Discussing the synastry gives the impression this happened because there is some sort of "special connection" between Voix and her abuser and this is NOT the case.

This is a very sensitive topic for all of us, but please everyone understand: child abusers want a child, any child, of a particular age range, the person is NOT important. I simply loathe any therapist, psychologist or whatever who didn't make this clear in the first place; this is the reason I am writing in this thread.

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NEVER, at any point in the OP did I imply a special connection.

Is synastry not the interaction of the energies in two charts?

We look at parent-child all the time.

We look at abusive adult-adult.

We do not regard abusive adult-adult as special, why would people assume any different here?

The idea seem to be that because I am not raging, crying, ripping apart inside anymore, but actually thankful for the wisdom I have gained from my pain, that I am not valid, and nor are the charts I offered for study.

I actually thought the community would be interested in this. There are threads on here of serial killers and victims, of murderers and child victims.

posted May 16, 2015 05:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Gabby, you may also apply this strength to yourself.

There are only two other people in my life who have understood this like you do: my psychologist, and a colleague, who is also working in trauma.

I think we have all lived through this so deeply, died so many times, and roared back to life so many times, that it is impossible to verbalise it.

I think you truly have to have walked this path to get it.

I guess, what is healing, is a very individual journey. We may have taken an unusual path, but what matters is that we are free. Everyone will find their freedom their way. This was ours.

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posted May 16, 2015 05:59 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
I'm not trying to be disagreeable but what we are trying to say is it isn't an avoidance, denial or distancing yourself from them....it's that we have past it. We already jumped head first into the anger and hate and now we are walking out on the other side and just want to shed the feelings like that, they are no longer needed because they are no longer serving us, so why hang onto them...they are dead weight.

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posted May 16, 2015 06:05 PM            

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Originally posted by olgatheo:
Thank you Voix for sharing your story , your very brave !
@Gabby your a special human being !!

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That's very kind of you.

Gabby explained bravery very well when she stated: you may be burned by the fire, or purified by it. Burning with rage, while it served its purpose for a while, began to hurt more than the abuse. The only way forward after that is to understand.

posted May 16, 2015 06:09 PM            

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
I'm just trying to say it's not helpful to let go of righteous, constructive anger and hate.
I do agree that the destructive version of those feelings are dead weight, but the other part of it is simply not.
It's just as important in the process of getting to the core of your "self"

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Its already been said that anger and hate are part of the process. But trust me, it is a half-life to live angry.

It was not healthy for me to continue to carry that poison inside of me.

posted May 16, 2015 06:10 PM            

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
I'm just trying to say it's not helpful to let go of righteous, constructive anger and hate.
I do agree that the destructive version of those feelings are dead weight, but the other part of it is simply not.
It's just as important in the process of getting to the core of your "self"

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posted May 16, 2015 06:14 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:

Stockholm is conjunct my Nessus...
Kridsadaporn is in my 2nd house....doesn't make any close aspects 5 degrees from Uranus and semi-sextile Neptune and Pluto

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geo perigee 21ar51, and helio is 2 degrees from Uranus for u,plus Helio Child at its HNN) (2 degrees geo sag for Voix)

Something I have been forced to study, sadly/.

posted May 16, 2015 06:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Its already been said that anger and hate are part of the process. But trust me, it is a half-life to live angry.

It was not healthy for me to continue to carry that poison inside of me.

It simply continued the abuse, long after he was gone.

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