posted May 16, 2015 06:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
NEVER, at any point in the OP did I imply a special connection.

Is synastry not the interaction of the energies in two charts?

We look at parent-child all the time.

We look at abusive adult-adult.

We do not regard abusive adult-adult as special, why would people assume any different here?

The idea seem to be that because I am not raging, crying, ripping apart inside anymore, but actually thankful for the wisdom I have gained from my pain, that I am not valid, and nor are the charts I offered for study.

I actually thought the community would be interested in this. There are threads on here of serial killers and victims, of murderers and child victims.

Is there a problem with this thread, and looking at this synastry, because I am alive, strong, human, and not angry anymore?

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Look, I am an adult-adult abuse survivor myself. I actually had a spasmophilia attack when entering the forum and reading your thread, because I can't stand what happened to you; I was supposed to do some readings in PR lol I am not saying this so that you can feel guilty, but so that you can understand there is nothing peaceful or astrological about your thread and never will be and this is how it's supposed to be.

It is different, because as an adult, you can fight; you also had more time to learn the world sometimes is a dangerous place.

As a child, you are supposed to be protected by your family and those in your environment. It is not only a moral right, but also a legal right.

Looking back at what happened to you, it is a nightmare. Looking back at what happened to me, it is a nightmare. And it is supposed to stay this way; there is nothing to forgive about it, nothing peaceful about it. You survive, put in the past and enjoy life as a survivor, you don't feed the abuser by thinking of him anymore and you become better because you have learned what people can do to each other and you don't let this happen around you. I can understand the disturbed state of mind of the man who abused me, someone I loved and still love, because this is how love works. But it is something that should never happen; loving someone also means being able to "kill" their dark side, to reject it; to not accept them as demons.

What happened to you is a nightmare, something that should disappear from this world. It will always be a nightmare, especially of this world. You want to be like anyone else, but you are not, you are special, a survivor. I am special too, a survivor. All survivors are special, carry a special message and this isn't it. All people are special through their pains and the message they bring, as survivors. Our message is double: 1. we can survive anything 2. these things should never happen again to anyone else.

posted May 16, 2015 06:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Thank you Peluches.

Aries23 has also offered to discuss the astrology.

It looks like the synastry of abuser-abused, when it is a child, is too sensitive.

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Especially sexual, yes. Mine wasn't one of these, so maybe that's why it all stayed calm when I posted it a while ago. Like you, I accepted the relationship and later tried to understand her, forgave her, and now I don't think of it as such a big deal anymore, as horrible as it -- the abuse -- may sound to some people. Just like we cannot judge other people's point of view (different experiences, etc.), I personally don't think I can judge my abuser. I can't hate her anymore for what she had done unconsciously. She's human, for God's sake. Humans make mistakes. I make mistakes ! And sometimes, mistakes just happen to cause more damage than usual... That's how I see it.

You're welcome, Voix. Stay strong.

posted May 16, 2015 06:20 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Look, I am an adult-adult abuse survivor myself. I actually had a spasmophilia attack when entering the forum and reading your thread; I was supposed to do some readings in PR lol I am not saying this so that you can feel guilty, but so that you can understand there is nothing peaceful or astrological about your thread and never will be and this is supposed to be.

It is different, because as an adult, you can fight; you also had more time to learn the world sometimes is a dangerous place.

As a child, you are supposed to be protected by your family and those in your environment. It is not only a moral right, but also a legal right.

Looking back at what happened to you, it is a nightmare. Looking back at what happened to me, it is a nightmare. And it is supposed to stay this way; there is nothing to forgive about it, nothing peaceful about it. You survive, put in the past and enjoy life as a survivor, you don't feed the abuser by thinking of him anymore and you become better because you have learned what people can do to each other and you don't let this happen around you. I can understand the disturbed state of mind of the man who abused me, someone I loved and still love, because this is how love works. But it is something that should never happen; loving someone also means being able to "kill" their dark side, to reject it; to not accept them as demons.

What happened to you is a nightmare, something that should disappear from this world. It will always be a nightmare, especially of this world. You want to be like anyone else, but you are not, you are special, a survivor. I am special too, a survivor. All survivors are special, carry a special message and this isn't it. All people are special through their pains and the message they bring, as survivors. Our message is double: 1. we can survive anything 2. these things should never happen again to anyone else.

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posted May 16, 2015 06:22 PM            

"The whole “anger is poisonous and bad for u” mindset was created by people who didn’t want to deal w the justified anger directed at them by others"

You were teached that anger and hate are bad, that forgiveness AKA passivity is the only way, and internalized that.
I used to think like this too, that forgiving was beautiful, healthy and healing.

posted May 16, 2015 06:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Seimei:
geo perigee 21ar51, and helio is 2 degrees from Uranus for u,plus Helio Child at its HNN) (2 degrees geo sag for Voix)

Something I have been forced to study, sadly/.

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posted May 16, 2015 06:25 PM            

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
I remember coming across this somewhere:

"The whole “anger is poisonous and bad for u” mindset was created by people who didn’t want to deal w the justified anger directed at them by others"

You were teached that anger and hate are bad, that forgiveness AKA passivity is the only way, and internalized that.
I used to think like this too, that forgiving was beautiful, healthy and healing.

Please, take my words and analyze them with your gut, not with what you were conditioned to believe.
Whatever it is you come to after that, doesn't matter.
Just give it a shot.
It's okay to be defensive, but understand that I wish nothing but the best for the both of you, from the bottom of my heart, although it sounds cliche

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posted May 16, 2015 06:34 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Do you believe that emotions have energy vibrations?

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posted May 16, 2015 06:45 PM            

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
Yes, I do believe so.
I also believe that such energies can vary between low, balanced and high.
Balanced being the only healthy way.
One unbalanced emotion can create disharmony in our soul.

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posted May 16, 2015 07:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Right and hate or anger have very low vibrations that are unhealthy for us, that's why you don't want to carry it around with you.

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posted May 16, 2015 07:01 PM            

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
I remember coming across this somewhere:

"The whole “anger is poisonous and bad for u” mindset was created by people who didn’t want to deal w the justified anger directed at them by others"

You were teached that anger and hate are bad, that forgiveness AKA passivity is the only way, and internalized that.
I used to think like this too, that forgiving was beautiful, healthy and healing.

Please, take my words and analyze them with your gut, not with what you were conditioned to believe.
Whatever it is you come to after that, doesn't matter.
Just give it a shot.
It's okay to be defensive, but understand that I wish nothing but the best for the both of you, from the bottom of my heart, although it sounds cliche

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Midnightvenus,

I'm sure you didn't mean it this way, but I find this post patronizing.

I have already told you I have processed my anger, by going THROUGH it.

My gut is the reason I am still alive.

Your point is clear, there is no need to continue to reiterate this.

posted May 16, 2015 07:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Midnightvenus,

I'm sure you didn't mean it this way, but I find this post patronizing.

I have already told you I have processed my anger, by going THROUGH it.

My gut is the reason I am still alive.

Your point is clear, there is no need to continue to reiterate this.

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posted May 16, 2015 07:12 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Look, I am an adult-adult abuse survivor myself. I actually had a spasmophilia attack when entering the forum and reading your thread, because I can't stand what happened to you; I was supposed to do some readings in PR lol I am not saying this so that you can feel guilty, but so that you can understand there is nothing peaceful or astrological about your thread and never will be and this is how it's supposed to be.

It is different, because as an adult, you can fight; you also had more time to learn the world sometimes is a dangerous place.

As a child, you are supposed to be protected by your family and those in your environment. It is not only a moral right, but also a legal right.

Looking back at what happened to you, it is a nightmare. Looking back at what happened to me, it is a nightmare. And it is supposed to stay this way; there is nothing to forgive about it, nothing peaceful about it. You survive, put in the past and enjoy life as a survivor, you don't feed the abuser by thinking of him anymore and you become better because you have learned what people can do to each other and you don't let this happen around you. I can understand the disturbed state of mind of the man who abused me, someone I loved and still love, because this is how love works. But it is something that should never happen; loving someone also means being able to "kill" their dark side, to reject it; to not accept them as demons.

What happened to you is a nightmare, something that should disappear from this world. It will always be a nightmare, especially of this world. You want to be like anyone else, but you are not, you are special, a survivor. I am special too, a survivor. All survivors are special, carry a special message and this isn't it. All people are special through their pains and the message they bring, as survivors. Our message is double: 1. we can survive anything 2. these things should never happen again to anyone else.

Whoever leads you to a different path is doing something wrong. You are supposed to look back at what happened to you and see it as a nightmare, as something wrong and disturbing. You don't dwell on it, but whenever you visit this past, this is how it's supposed to feel, forever. And this is perfectly normal, there has to be a detachment about this being perfectly normal

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Yes, I understand that this thread has garnered a very strong response.

However, I am not convinced it was the astrology.

What appears to have happened is that individuals cannot trust my process of healing, and the impressions it has left on me.

I did not intend a discussion around the capacity or integrity of my perceptions, or mental health.

Those who responded created that.

I assure you, I fought. Physically. And, one night I won. You may think that's sweet and delusional, but it kept me going. I found many subtle ways to take back my power, and I am proud of myself for the small victories. They showed me what I was made of.

You are another survivor, and you walk your own path of transformation.
I see you have a good heart.

posted May 16, 2015 07:19 PM            

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
No, that's not how I see it at all. I think both of these feelings can have low/balanced/high energies.
Low anger will make you dull, balanced will make you righteous and high will make you a bully.
Basically

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A low emotional vibration such as anger, rage or hate may vary slightly but at it's very best it will still be a low vibration, sorry that's just the way it is.
This is why you don't want to carry these emotions around with you....forgiveness is not for anyone but yourself it's the way you tell yourself it's ok to stop holding onto the pain and it's time to be happy again.

posted May 16, 2015 07:23 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
A low emotional vibration such as anger, rage or hate may vary slightly but at it's very best it will still be a low vibration, sorry that's just the way it is.

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posted May 16, 2015 07:24 PM            

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Originally posted by midnightvenus:
As you can see, I do not agree with this chart.

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posted May 16, 2015 07:58 PM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Especially sexual, yes. Mine wasn't one of these, so maybe that's why it all stayed calm when I posted it a while ago. Like you, I accepted the relationship and later tried to understand her, forgave her, and now I don't think of it as such a big deal anymore, as horrible as it -- the abuse -- may sound to some people. Just like we cannot judge other people's point of view (different experiences, etc.), I personally don't think I can judge my abuser. I can't hate her anymore for what she had done unconsciously. She's human, for God's sake. Humans make mistakes. I make mistakes ! And sometimes, mistakes just happen to cause more damage than usual... That's how I see it.

You're welcome, Voix. Stay strong.

So, how about a composite ?

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Wise words Peluches. Human, yes, all of us.

posted May 16, 2015 08:26 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Discussing the synastry gives the impression this happened because there is some sort of "special connection" between Voix and her abuser and this is NOT the case.

This is a very sensitive topic for all of us, but please everyone understand: child abusers want a child, any child, of a particular age range, the person is NOT important. I simply loathe any therapist, psychologist or whatever who didn't make this clear in the first place; this is the reason I am writing in this thread. It is my strong belief there is no freedom without the truth, no matter how harsh the truth seems at first glance, it always proves to be perfect-the truth.

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posted May 16, 2015 08:28 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
All in all, I can't imagine what you have been through. Voix, Gabby, Bluejay, Auby and everyone else with such a story, you are my heroes, my warrior princesses.

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posted May 16, 2015 09:21 PM            

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Originally posted by Voix_de_la_Mer:
Wise words Peluches. Human, yes, all of us.

I don't think we can read a composite without correct birth time? I don't have his unfortunately.

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Thanks, Voix.

posted May 16, 2015 09:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Gabby:
Wow!
Sorry you've had to study this!

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posted May 16, 2015 10:13 PM            

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Originally posted by Aubyanne:
That's a bad thing?

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posted May 17, 2015 05:16 AM            

If you are participating in this thread again, I hope it is with more balance than before. You deleted one of your posts, but I read it.

It implied that you were very angry at the path I have grown along.
In another post you put in quotes that I said those who didn't take the same path as me were weak - that is utterly incorrect.
I did not say that anywhere.

I welcome your astrological input, as you are well-informed, but I am not inviting criticism or defamation from anyone.

It may seem as if I don't feel anything, but I do.

The responses to this thread that WERE an attack on my way of being, hard-fought for perceptions, decision-making capacity, and current state of mind, upset me enough to disturb my sleep last night.

So, I am asking respectfully that you and others recognise if you cannot respond sensitively, then to step out.

A lot of fear was triggered by this topic, which is understandable, but that is because that fear already existed around this topic - this thread did not create that fear.

I think it is clear that Gabby and I are strong, and healthy, and stable. THAT means something.

It's not wise to pathologise something simply because we don't understand it.

posted May 17, 2015 05:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Peluches:
Thanks, Voix.

We can read a composite without accurate TOBs, actually. The angles and the Moon will be out, but the rest is enough to work on.

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posted May 17, 2015 05:32 AM            

Comp VENUS/SUN conj. my natal MERC/IC
Comp PLUTO conj. my natal MOON
Comp MARS opp. my natal CHIRON/VERTEX
Comp SATURN squ. my natal SUN
Comp MARS conj. my natal JUPITER