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gooberlily
Knowflake Posts: 2296
From: Brooklyn, (and Norwich) NY, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted April 07, 2001 12:49 AM
 
What a wonderful post DLight! I think it's great that you brought up diet, because I do think that altering a person's diet can help a lot of the time, especially when dealing with depression. I've been feeling a lot better mentally since I cut red meat and other meat (everything except fish) out of my diet a few weeks ago. I think I was really lacking some minerals and vitamins or something, because I've always liked vegetables, but all of a sudden I started craving things I don't normally eat like spinach, carrots, etc. I was also craving an odd thing...acidic food, like citrus, salad dressing, pickles. And no, I'm not expecting a little baby Gooberlily sprout anytime soon  So, great subject you've brought up! We all know that vitamins are important, but I think sometimes we overlook those very foods that are rich in certain vitamins. Perhaps if we don't get enough of something our body and state of being gets cranky. Who knows. I really loved your analogy though, I think we are like plants to a certain extent, and need the right stuff in order to grow big and strong, and be in semi-continuous bloom  Good luck on your road D., and I hope you find something that is theraputic for you. IP: Logged |
gooberlily
Knowflake Posts: 2296
From: Brooklyn, (and Norwich) NY, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted April 07, 2001 12:59 AM
Just saw your post LMB  Thank you so much for posting that  YIVY, I think you are on to something. I think a lot of us feel the connection between our other half and depression. I've always been depressed on and off, but with my other half...when I was depressed...I was really depressed. Not suicidal depressed, more like extremely "dis-satisfied with the current situation" depressed. "Helpless to change the situation depressed"...ah, that's what it was, at least for me. I know lots of people who haven't found their other half yet. They're not even sure if they're on this earth in a flesh temple...boy, that's it's own classification of depression. It's almost an "urgent" depression. I've seen my brother go through it (NiceGuyWithBadKarma), and it ain't pretty. Here's my wish for tonight for everyone...my one special wish for the night is that tonight whoever is feeling some pain in regards to their other half will find some peace  Coincidentally, my left ear just rang...and you know what they say when your ears ring, "Left is for love...right is for spite" Guess we got some love goin' on! Glad it's working. IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 16464
From: Columbus, GA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted April 07, 2001 01:44 AM
Yep, I had a little bit of a cold there, Goober. Love the flower reference, D.Light. Great poem LMB! Goober, it is more likely minerals than vitamins. You should try a multi-mineral supplement (trace minerals).  ------------------
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D.Light
Knowflake Posts: 130
From: U K
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted April 07, 2001 06:43 AM
 Goober - What beautiful words/thankyou, and thankyou for your 'wish' I am missing my other half desperately right now. I discovered that a lot of my 'cravings' and the 'depression' was due to a condition called CANDIDA (I am not medically well versed but..) it is a yeast overgowth in the intestinal tract, I'm still battling with it, but with combined treatment on all levels I am winning, I'm so much happier nowadays....I think my kids think I'm on something......haven't got them convinced yet that its down to healthy eating and juicing  Goober - I read a brilliant book by Queen Afua - 'Heal Thyself' she runs a 'Natural Healing Centre' in Brooklyn (I see thats where you are  )she has a new book out called 'Sacred Women' It is on my wish list to visit her clinic, I've followed her teachings - I do beleive DIET is the key. I dont know how near this is to you but this is the address and phone number in the book:- Heal Thyself Centre
323 Sterling Place
Brooklyn, New York 11217 (718 399 1903) Love to you all
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gooberlily
Knowflake Posts: 2296
From: Brooklyn, (and Norwich) NY, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted April 08, 2001 05:43 PM
Thanks D.Light I wish loads of love and healing for you and your other half. What a rough road!I'll have to look into that when I get back home to Brooklyn in a month or two. I don't think it's too close to my area of Brooklyn, but I'll see what I can find out! I'll definitely look into that mineral theory Randall, thanks! IP: Logged |
Marigold
Knowflake Posts: 771
From: England
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted April 10, 2001 03:12 AM
Interesting this Candida theory, D.Light, I'm very intolerant to sugar too, even dry fruits... What other foods to reduce or avoid totally?
Contrary to you, Lily, I feel depressed when I don't eat red meat.IP: Logged |
Australdi
Knowflake Posts: 401
From: Australia
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted April 14, 2001 12:33 PM
Wow!
Sherry,
so much of your experience is identical to mine!
Hang in there girl! I've come through, and I'm standing at the end of the "tunnel" with a friendly hand if you like!
My experience parallels yours in many ways, so if I can be of any help (gleaned from my experience) just let me know....and I think you can help me too...sometimes it's hard to know what was the "active ingredient" in my recovery...(I have beliefs, but want to confirm if they are correct.)
For me the healing came when I spontaneously laughed...not like normal laughter, but the type of laughter we used to have when we were very young...pure innocent unmittigated joy in life type laughter! because I was truly happy in one particular moment! Somehow it snapped me out of it and I dropped the effexor the next day...I simply didn't need it anymore. I still had some "challenging" days after that, but I was able to accept them and work through them in my own way/time (BTW my family wasn't happy about me dropping the drugs cold turkey..) but the only way I could describe it to them was that "I am back...it's me again!"
I'm not recommending going cold turkey to anyone (I was not on them for very long...less than 2 months...)as I think we all experience things in our own way, and what is right for one might not be for another...but I also subscribe to we can never have too much information or ideas about different strategies...maybe somethings will help another!
I agree that there are many causes of depression, and therefore I don't subscribe to the philosophy of "hitting it with drugs" as a first step in all instances is nescesarily the best course of action, personally in my case, I don't think they did much at all except numb me into a holding pattern (which maybe gave my psyche time and breathing space to sort itself out...I don't know...)
I suppose I'm trying to say that I empathise, and if anything that I have learned can be helpful, I'm happy to share....
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financechick
Knowflake Posts: 643
From: Baltimore, Maryland, USA
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted April 14, 2001 01:52 PM
Australdi...I kind of feel the same way...like the effexor is allowing me to deal with what I need to deal with...giving my brain some breathing room. I was a ticking time bomb without it. I'm still on it, don't want to be becasue I'm not my normal self. I tried the cold turkey thing but it made me ill...I'm going tohave to go very slow with this. I feel sad about it sometimes becasue I've alwyas thought of myself as being able to handle anything but now I need these pills to be able to do that.I am so exhausted from getting this MBA and working full time and overtime that Ireally don't feel like I'm devoting the time to my mental state the way I should be...and that makes me even more fatigued. I want/need to stop and smell the roses but feel like I can't IP: Logged |
YIVY
Knowflake Posts: 4747
From: Louisiana
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted April 14, 2001 09:35 PM
Aus...what a wonderful way to
re-ignite your SOUL, with a battery called LAUGHTER... FC...I find when I am running beside mys-ELF and can't seem to catch up, I have to (mentally) bring me back to a NOW time. It sounds like you are running a bit forward in time, and your body is having trouble catching up. I know this sounds a bit strange, but for me it was so very true. Somehow, I know when I am out of sync and adjust...once you do it you will know how, but it is hard to explain how it is done. It is like I see time frames and see me not in the NOW frame, but either in the PAST (I am sluggish and can't think straight) or the FUTURE (I am anxious and can't get my brain to shut up..), and somehow I learned to adjust to the NOW...there every moment is used, but not abused... I am balanced...and get ten times more accomplished than when I am out of sync...as I find in a NOW frame there is no time and therefore I have all the time I need. It might take a little time (pun intended), but it is worth it to learn the trick...  ------------------
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Australdi
Knowflake Posts: 401
From: Australia
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted April 15, 2001 09:27 AM
Wise words Yivy.
I've been there too.Sherry, the time it takes is the time it takes....you are approaching your health in a very sensible and rational manner (hehehe, you must have more earth signs in your chart than me!  )
You sound really tired though....like you're spending your energy on trying to be something, and have no time to just be. hhmmm...just being is really important....trying to be, working to be, and going to be, all just sap energy and waste time, because they're like tommorow...they never come being (as opposed to becomming) is the only state where energy is in equilibrium and like Yivy said, time then becomes irrelevant...I don't think I explained this as lucidly as you Yivy, but I'm saying the same thing really...
Aus
If it is; it is...If I am; I am
I think therefore I am...
therefore I am what I think
It was and will be, are only products of my thought, and
I create my thoughts, ergo
Ultimately I create me!
I am my choice
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YIVY
Knowflake Posts: 4747
From: Louisiana
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted April 15, 2001 11:16 PM
Aus..that was good.Perhaps, FC, you might want to copy that last bit and use it as a affermation and say it each morning before you leave the house..  ------------------
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YIVY
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gooberlily
Knowflake Posts: 2296
From: Brooklyn, (and Norwich) NY, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted April 16, 2001 12:42 AM
"If it is; it is...If I am; I am
I think therefore I am...
therefore I am what I think
It was and will be, are only products of my thought, and
I create my thoughts, ergo
Ultimately I create me!
I am my choice"I love it Australdi! IP: Logged |
Australdi
Knowflake Posts: 401
From: Australia
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted April 16, 2001 01:19 AM
Whew!
I've been working on that one for five years...it took two years to get the "therefore I am what I think" bit!!! 
Then last night the rest just went "ping" and "voila"
so thanks go to FC & Yivy for being the catylysts and starting my spiral!!Thanks girls!! IP: Logged |
YIVY
Knowflake Posts: 4747
From: Louisiana
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted April 17, 2001 12:20 PM
WOW...I think I might like being a
CAT-A-LYST... ------------------
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YIVY
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LMB
Moderator Posts: 653
From: Cooltown, USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted April 17, 2001 02:29 PM
Good grief Charlie Brown, I think I may have mono.
I've had a fever for three weeks and I am so tired.
I should get the blood results back today or Thursday. Please oh please.... i can't have mono now. Not when I'm this close to graduating... I've worked so hard to get where i am.... to ward off the depression and focus on my health and my school work.... and now all i want to do is stay in bed... *sigh* LMB IP: Logged |
Randall
Webmaster Posts: 16464
From: Columbus, GA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted April 17, 2001 06:06 PM
Doesn't something always go wrong, LMB? It happens with me, too. We create these obstacles on a subconscious level to throw monkeywrenches in our plans to sabatoge our successes. Refuse to give in to this. In the mean time, rest up and let your body and Mind heal. Then, we will all rejoice with you in your coming success! ------------------
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YIVY
Knowflake Posts: 4747
From: Louisiana
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted April 18, 2001 09:21 AM
You know, LMB, our bodies are funny things...sometimes I think they have a mind of their own You are right, you have been working way hard to achieve what you want. On top of that you have been giving emotional support for your friends in need...and I imagine your 'body' has been telling you it needed rest for some time... Well.....looks like it might have taken things into it's own hands so to speak....I sincerely hope it is not mono as I had it in high school (lots of teasing...best thing was getting out of gym for a month) and it was no picnic...BUT what ever it is...it is your 'body' speaking. In today's RUSH RUSH RUSH world it gets harder and harder to try to accommodate your 'body's' requests, but then that is when it takes over.
It could be a much needed break. Of course Randall is right, it never comes at a convenient time.. Wish you all the best, and do hope it is something lesser. and 's... ------------------
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YIVY
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LMB
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From: Cooltown, USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted April 18, 2001 11:42 AM
Well, it's not mono. It's a minor infection of some sort I won't go into in public. Hehe. Anyway...
I'm having some problems because of something that happened over Easter. My uncle (not blood related) said sexually inappropriate things to me. this has happened before and I just haven't known what to do. It's made me extremely uncomfortable. It reminds me of the sexually inapprporiate things my father would say to me as a preteen and teenager (and even up to last year). The difference is, my dad can be a clod and not think about what he is saying. He's no sexual predator. However... this uncle has repeatedly made me feel uncomfortable and doing overtly sexual things to warrant me standing up for myself and not tolerating this. But I am just so scared. On top of it all, my mother refuses to beleive it's a big deal. THAT hurt. Esp. becuase my mom and I are so close. She said he was just asking me how I was b/c he cared about me. "They all know you were in a mental hospital," she said. WHAAA? THAT hurt like a punch in the dark. Anyway... I'm dealing with validating it for myself and being confident in that if it happens again (like at our next family get together June 10th) that I will stand up for myself and not tolerate it. Anyway, this isn't the happiest of subjects, but it's been vexing me and you all are my friends, so.... thanks for listening, LMB IP: Logged |
YIVY
Knowflake Posts: 4747
From: Louisiana
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted April 18, 2001 01:17 PM
GOOD FOR YOU....LMBLower those 'horns' and fight for YOU... I am very proud of YOU!!!!   ------------------
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YIVY
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D.Light
Knowflake Posts: 130
From: U K
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted April 18, 2001 02:15 PM
LMB The BIGGEST astral HUG and  to you and your brave heart. Love
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Randall
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From: Columbus, GA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted April 18, 2001 02:27 PM
Butt some heads, Lisa! ------------------
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gooberlily
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From: Brooklyn, (and Norwich) NY, USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted April 18, 2001 10:11 PM
Just remember LMB, if it makes you feel uncomfortable like that, what he's saying to you or how he's acting IS wrong...even if other people don't support you. Blood uncle or not, it is inappropriate. Know in your heart your worth, and that behavior is below you and not to be tolerated. It is wrong. Besides, I don't personally understand how making sexual remarks shows that you care about someone in your family. At least, that's my opinion!And the crack about the mental hospital, I've been through that too Love and light IP: Logged |
Randall
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From: Columbus, GA USA
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posted April 19, 2001 12:28 AM
What Goober said!  ------------------
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LMB
Moderator Posts: 653
From: Cooltown, USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted April 19, 2001 10:25 AM
Thanks everybody... I appreciate your support so much. As a child, no one ever believed me when I said I was sick or uncomfortable so it's hard for me to validate mys-elf... but I'm learning. Thanks!!! LMB IP: Logged |
thegreyone
Knowflake Posts: 520
From: St. John's,NF,Canada
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted April 19, 2001 10:45 PM
Dearest LMB. I just got caught up on this thread and your story about this uncle touched a resonant chord with me because as a little Greyling I was sexually assaulted by an uncle and when I told my parents They actually punished me for making up such terrible lies. They had me convinced that I was bad and I subsequently buried the memories so deep that it took me twenty years to recall them clearly enough to have the ******* thrown in jail.
Do not let it continue and if anyone tells you that you are overreacting, don't listen to them. Trust your heart and make it absolutely clear that his comments are unwelcome and that if he continues you will report him to the authorities.
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