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YIVY
Knowflake Posts: 4747
From: Louisiana
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted May 18, 2001 12:23 AM
 
FC...at least you are able to admit to yoursELF the incident. That is healing. Whether or not another can deal with it is not up to you. Sometimes the only way to heal is to go ahead and 'lance' that wound.Let the other people's Souls handle their reactions...you only have to answer for yours. Do what you need to do to heal yoursELF.. And, YES, use this as a sounding board...just talking sometimes does more good than you think.  ------------------
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YIVY
Knowflake Posts: 4747
From: Louisiana
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted May 18, 2001 12:27 AM
LMB...sooner or later (this lifetime or another) you are going to have to deal with the issues between you and your 'Mother'..Did it ever occur to you that you might actually be doing her a great favor by getting this out in the open so the two of you can settle it and move on with your Soul Lessons. It might be holding both of you back for several lifetimes, and you decided to finish it now for the sakes of both of you. You might be the stronger of the two, realizing this has to be resolved.  ------------------
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Marigold
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From: England
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted May 18, 2001 01:55 PM
Finance Chick, from what you posted , you seem to do pretty well, studies leading to well-paid job, young and good-looking, so even if you are a bit vulnerable, precisely because you are more aware than many, it's worth it!
You can become a really great person if you develop new qualities, such as mastering your emotions (or whatever you need, you know better), on top of those you already have...It often seems that people who are more interesting and aware, interested in spirituality, have a harder time than others that take life as it comes, doesn't it?
 I mean, until you reach another level of maturity...
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financechick
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From: Baltimore, Maryland, USA
Registered: Mar 2001
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posted May 18, 2001 09:35 PM
yes..Marigold..but that's what is so perplexing...I guess that there is no such thing as a perfect life...I wish I didn't have to speak in riddles about why I'm on this medication but it's just really personal...you know...free will or predestined....in that instant..I had NO free will...Iused to belive in free will...that you become what you want...you choose from among different things placed before you...but in some instances, you have no choice..no free will...other than to survive and that's ultimately what I chose to do...maybe that's the test...and maybe I passed....the choice to survive instead of letting it ruin my life..but part of me still feels broken...you know how something breaks and you glue it back together and technically it's "whole" again...but if you really look hard...you can tell it's no longer the way it was made...and the glue runs down dried on the side....and it could still be fragile and break again....and it's never the same....well, that's kind of how I feel...and I have to get comfortable in my skin again.IP: Logged |
Australdi
Knowflake Posts: 401
From: Australia
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted May 19, 2001 02:15 AM
FC 
you described that feeling so well! ....like a couple of strings in the piano are strung too tight, but we can keep on playing, 'cause they hardly ever get played....but deep down, they're pulling the whole soundboard....slowly, but surely.......one day they will break.....when everyone (especially ourselves)least expects it.... unless they are "loosened" and re-tuned! The only way to HEAL them is to work with them, play with them, discover their sound, their properties, their limits, and their strengths....what sound do they make when played, and what sound can they potentially make, how do they feel, how would YOU like them to feel....what sort of song do you want to play????? (you can choose your song!  ) Never feel alone...you have friends here, we enjoy listening to your music!
as you work on healing keep talking, don't isolate away....when you feel that you couldn't burden another with your thoughts & feelings, that you can't present yourself like this....that's when you have to talk! don't go it alone, you are never alone! healing hurts! ....it hurts alot, it's scary 'cause it's unpredictable (to you)
and it raises more questions than answers at first.... None of us can tell you how to do it....you will find your own path, and that is as it should be... but we can give assistance...support back-up, our own experiences, which may be usefull to you, and Lots of cheering and encouragement from the bleachers!  (hint).....it's got to do with LOVE....Forgiveness....Acceptance.....and Creation.
......ultimately discovering/creating the self....actively creating self!
free will is always an option in self definition....if you CHOOSE it.
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Randall
Webmaster Posts: 16464
From: Columbus, GA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted May 19, 2001 02:38 AM
Beautifully said, Aus!  ------------------
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Marigold
Knowflake Posts: 771
From: England
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted May 19, 2001 02:54 AM
FC, I know that feeling you describe so well...
Maybe through different circumstances, more like a long string of humiliations...
I use to think maybe I was too proud as a child but it is not the case now (or is it?)and it still happens.
So on one hand I think it is life lessons, on the other that the devil exists, or there's only the law of the jungle...Australdi, great positive attitude, typically  . That may be the way! Very poetic too!
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Australdi
Knowflake Posts: 401
From: Australia
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted May 19, 2001 03:26 AM
'twas a heart lesson
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D.Light
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From: U K
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted May 19, 2001 04:55 AM
ditto Randall........"Beautifully said" Aus
{{{  financechick }}}
Love to all
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YIVY
Knowflake Posts: 4747
From: Louisiana
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted May 19, 2001 06:41 PM
and 's to all us GOOBERS here who fight the odds and much to our surprise actually survive and emerge so much stronger!Three cheers to us... HIP HIP HURRAY!! 
HIP HIP HURRAY!!
HIP HIP HURRAY!! 
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D.Light
Knowflake Posts: 130
From: U K
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted May 20, 2001 08:40 AM
Ditto Yivy .........heres raising a glass to all of us!! IP: Logged |
LMB
Moderator Posts: 653
From: Cooltown, USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted May 21, 2001 04:24 PM
You all might be sick of hearing me talk about sessions with my mother, but... tomorrow afternoon at 2pm is another one. I'm very frightened and anxious because our last one went so horribly. anyway... any good energies sent are appreciated. Love
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Marigold
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From: England
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posted May 21, 2001 04:41 PM
Good luck!  IP: Logged |
Randall
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From: Columbus, GA USA
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted May 21, 2001 06:15 PM
Never never never sick of hearing about how our online family is doing, LMB! Each time will get better. I send you waves of strength and honesty. ------------------
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YIVY
Knowflake Posts: 4747
From: Louisiana
Registered: Nov 2000
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posted May 21, 2001 11:16 PM
Here...a to carry in your pocket..take it out and look at it when you need to. Remember after the worst storms, there are ------------------
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debbie
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posted May 22, 2001 07:18 PM
Hello, all.
Have you seen anything related to flower essences remedies?
I have been with them-for myself and also prescribing to my family an d clients- almost a decade. Maybe more exciting than realizing how effective they are was the understanding of some specifications on each flower essences...and therefore better understanding of an "imbalance"or "desease". For instance, through them one can better grasp the different types of motives and reasons that leads one to depression.
There are depressions related to the environment...for instance, those needing saint johns wort might be too sensitive to the amount of light-sun-around them and they are prone to seasonal blues.
Some other reasons are related to the history, childhood, maybe abuse. Or the person could be spiritually too "open"to another elemental influences and not able do digest...or maybe he or she didn't have maternal love, or maybe cannot handle easily stress of life, or maybe her senses absorbs too much from outside, maybe there is chakra imbalance somewhere...well...there are reasons of all kinds: physical, familiar, social, professional, mental, emotional, spiritual.
Has anyone tried to use these essences to cure depression?
They are very effective indeed.Blessings to all,
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Randall
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From: Columbus, GA USA
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posted May 22, 2001 07:25 PM
wOw! I am fascinated by what you're saying! What other dis-eases are effectively treated by this? Your explanations for depression are very interesting. ------------------
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LMB
Moderator Posts: 653
From: Cooltown, USA
Registered: Dec 2000
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posted May 22, 2001 09:35 PM
The worst came true.
My mother said she isn't going to change. And she said she doesn't want to go with me down my road of recovery.
I can't believe it. I am so shocked, i don't know waht to say. i am immobile. depressed. angry. hurt. this is my MOTHER. she used to be EVERYTHING i had. now i dont' need ehr as much thank god but it would be nice to know that she wants to be a part of my recovery progress. i have no words. IP: Logged |
Randall
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From: Columbus, GA USA
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posted May 22, 2001 10:32 PM
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Marigold
Knowflake Posts: 771
From: England
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted May 23, 2001 03:13 AM
Often the case I believe when somebody in a family has a problem like depression, neurosis, psychosis, the parents or partners don't want it to have anything to do with the "environment", for them it's one person's problem, whereas to an outsider it's obvious that they help maintain the person in a role...IP: Logged |
Marigold
Knowflake Posts: 771
From: England
Registered: Apr 2001
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posted May 23, 2001 03:26 AM
What I don't like about Bach Flower Remedies or similar is the price of the sessions !
Like paying £40 to have somebody telling me I have some confidence problems and I should buy a 5 oz bottle of walnut essence at £10...IP: Logged |
debbie
Knowflake Posts: 102
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Registered: May 2001
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posted May 23, 2001 10:53 AM
Randall, in fact there are many, many things that can be treated with flower essences.
There are of course other things that cannot be treated by flower essences as well, like, if you need to go to a heart surgery.They are said to be addressed not to physical things....but emotional, spiritual, mental, etc...but in some cases they are related for physical stuff, for instance, dandelion is good for muscular tension...and the lillies in general are adressed to deseases in sexual organs and reproductive system. Marigold, well, the prices are indeed expensive sometimes. One can try to look for oneself...but in some cases others help is a must, even if one knows lots about flower essences.
I used to charge very expensive when first worked with it. Why? Because I think I am very good in asking the rigt questions and getting into the right flowers one needs. There are so many flowers out there, I mean, essences, that the big step is to find exactly what one needs.
Besides that one must has the right feeling on how many flowers will constitute ones "bouquet"(group of flower essences indicated to someone)...which are most urgent, which should be changed by others next month...and which for emergencies...which are meant to work in the long run, etc.
It is complex.
Besides I used other practices altogether with flower essences, as I am also a psychologist and astrologer.
Through astrology it gets easier to grasp what is a recent and temporary issue-lie result of a transit, progression, etc-and what is a part of the personality as a whole, a difficulty the person was born with, so to speak, although both things are entwined always. I gave some flowers and consultations for free to some people...and surprisinlgly the only ones who did not like my job-one of them even stopped to talk to me-were these people to whom I gave them freely.
I interrupted working with this for almost two years...and have gone back to it last year.
Nowadays my prices are cheap, I think, and some I charge nothing at all-friends and family, with exceptions even for those. Some of my friends will get serious about them only when they pay for them.
Its amazing how money affects people in different ways.
I think knowing about flowers is great...not just because they are effective and the effect is subtle-when one least expects he or she sees the big problem is gone.
More than that perhaps is that only by knowing about flowers refines your perception about people or certain problems.
Like, when someone gets depressed because that person doesn't believe anymore that there are goodness in the world, and has a cynical approach to things and people, always expecting the worst, then the flower indicated is completely different from depression that comes from no known reason, or the depression from being violated or abused, or the depression that comes from a feeling of world disaster, etc. Maybe even greater than getting a full grasp on what is really unbalanced is to understand completely what is the "flower signature" in depth.
Bach, for instance, used to explain Holly as an essence for people who used to envy others...therefore, were envious and jealous and suffered when other people had something good in their lives.
The true understanding of holly, however, and the true understanding of the envious person is that he or she forgets to count his/her own blessings...and count blessings of others around her or him.
As sson as she learns how to count all the good stuff she has got in his and her li fe...there is not much need of lots of talkings and sessions...or even paying sessions on flower essences...as she will be cured. Well, I think I have written too much so far.
This subject excites me! hehe Blessings
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Marigold
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From: England
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posted May 23, 2001 10:51 PM
Because being bitter and cynical has nothing to do with having being abused, conned or mistreated?
I have seen quite a few alternative therapists lately, and with the exception of the herbalist who was efficient and respectful and of somebody who gave me a really good massage and listened to me with real interest and compassion, I found the others money grabbing and I felt as if I just had the word "pigeon" tatooed on my forehead. I don't need anybody to tell me that I'm depressed because I don't have a positive attitude nor to nag me and then to tell me that the solution is a tiny bottle of bitter liquid.
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debbie
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posted May 23, 2001 11:18 PM
Marigold, well, sometimes being cynicall has to do with being all that you mentioned...and it is a case completely different than of someone who has passed by the same things and then gets a different feeling than cynicism: maybe dispair, lack of hope, anger, sadness, etc.
It all depends on which set of feelings are more intense.Not all medicines and remedies are meant for everyone. Not all therapists are meant for everyone.
Before attending people I only pray I could have love, wisdom to each of them...and that their treatment could be led with success and happyness. Fortunatelly my prayers so far have been listened...and all -and only-cases and people who look for what I have to offer come to me...
These ones do enjoy taking the drops from the bottle-I do too as I do take drops myself-and guess they love to bring to me at every sessions their new insights.
But of course, some other people and some other cases will prefer other professionals, and other treatment.
It is ok too...and good there are so many out there. One might fit each particular case. Anyway, maybe there is a practicioner of flower therapy close to you that does it much better than simply telling you you lack self confidence and prescribing you a bottle of walnut. Best wishes
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Australdi
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From: Australia
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posted May 24, 2001 09:10 AM
Oohh! LMB !
(((((((big Hug)))))))it was an awful thing to find out....but sweetie.. you don't NEED her approval
when you heal yourself, you will feel pity for her that she did not take the opportunity to heal too...but it was her choice, it's her life, and no-one can force her to look inwards if she's not ready to. But you have full choices with your own life...you can choose to let this trip you up and get you down...or you can choose to make this a learning....a chance to stand at the end of the dark tunnel, in the light and shout "I did it my way, by myself! I can do anything!!! " okay, I know the light seems along way down the tunnel at the moment, but you can get there if you really want to (I ain't saying it's going to be easy...nothing good ever is! ) you have friends who support, love, and provide hugs & a shoulder to cry on whenever you want,
...so look to your mum & feel compassion for her...she is human too, and has similar hopes & fears to any person, take your health & life in both hands & choose to walk towards the light....you can get well without her support. remember, no one, not her, not your doctor, not your friends, or any one here can heal you....you are the one who will heal your-self
until you choose you...we are all here to give as much support & encouragement as you feel you need! You will find your saviour! (I know you will - you are a bright spirit).... LMB your saviour is you!! Love you as much as we do!! ***smile, wink & hug***
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