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Topic: 11th harmonics and Twinflames
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tgem
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posted May 12, 2014 09:57 AM
  
Yep, that makes sense.IP: Logged |
tgem
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posted May 12, 2014 10:07 AM
So then my next question is: when one says they need to have a good amount of oppositions in synastry, what does that mean? Several? Half? 3/4's? IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 12, 2014 10:21 AM
I'm not sure the number is important. It all depends on the theme of the synastry. But at least one opposition involving personal planets is definitely better than none. Too many oppositions would bring too much "over-stimulation".I think in a twinflame relationships it has to be one opposition involving any of the luminaries or at least the chart/angle rulers or maybe Venus and Mars. But I'd say an opposition to luminaries is usually there. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 12, 2014 10:35 AM
Let's take a look:Paul Newman/Joanne mutual Moon/Neptune opposition
Venus/Pluto
Saturn, Jupiter/Pluto
Linda/Paul
Moon opposite Venus (DSC ruler) Liz/Dick Sun opposite Moon
Jupiter opposite Pluto
Venus opposite Mars widely Princess Lilian/Prince Bertil Sun/Venus opposite Sun/Mercury
Venus/Uranus opposite Neptune etc. My parents: Sun opposite Moon, 3 more oppositions. Another senior couple I believe to be twinflames: Sun opposite Moon IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 12, 2014 10:36 AM
What famous love stories do you consider to be twinflames or at least soulmate couples?IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted May 12, 2014 11:11 AM
We have to be careful though to differentiate between complementarity and polarity. IP: Logged |
Orange
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posted May 12, 2014 11:11 AM
I just did the 11th harmonic Composite between our 11th charts and I am really mindblown right now. You should all try it.Every single planet in the 11th Composite conjuncts precisely our individual planets, both natal and 11th harmonic. Just a few examples but not going to list all, and I am only mentioning conjunctions and oppositions: 11th Composite Sun is 16' Libra.
My natal Venus is 17' Libra.
His 11th South Node is 17' Libra
his natal Valentine is 18' Libra
my 11th Alma is 15' Libra
his 11th Karma is 19' Libra
11th Composite Moon is 1' Virgo
My natal Sun is 1' Virgo
my natal South Node is 2'50 Virgo
my natal DSC is 3' Virgo
11th Composite Venus is 16' Pisces
My natal Vertex is 17' Virgo
His 11th Sun is 16' Virgo
His 11th ASC is 15' Pisces
His 11th MC is 14' Virgo 11th Composite Node is 10' Scorpio
his 11th Saturn is 10' Scorpio
my 11th Saturn is 9' Scorpio
my 11th Sun is 12' Scorpio 11th Composite Mars is 1' Gemini
my 11th South Node is 1' Gemini
his natal ASC is 3' Gemini
his 11th name ast is 1' Gemini
my 11th Moon is 5' Gemini
his 11th Moon is 5' Saggy
his 11th Venus is at 22' Aqua,
my 11th Mars/Pluto is at 22' Leo so interesting IP: Logged |
Orange
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posted May 12, 2014 11:19 AM
^^^^^
and it seems I posted all that findings at 11:11 am
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LeeLoo2014
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posted May 12, 2014 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
We have to be careful though to differentiate between complementarity and polarity.
Care to elaborate, Ceri? 
For the sake of the thread. IP: Logged |
I'm so cappy
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posted May 12, 2014 11:22 AM
How did you add a harmonic chart to your astro? There's no such option when I generate these charts :/------------------
I'm sooo happy! I mean, cappy. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 12, 2014 11:26 AM
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Originally posted by Orange:
^^^^^
and it seems I posted all that findings at 11:11 am
ha
I think the 11th composite compared to the the other charts (natal, your composite) with so many superpositions is very significant. Also, you have polarities! Virgo/Pisces, Gemini/Sagittarius, Aqua/Leo...and we were just talking about oppositions  IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 12, 2014 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
How did you add a harmonic chart to your astro? There's no such option when I generate these charts :/
I don't think you can do that in astro, Cappy, you'll have to do it manually.
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Orange
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posted May 12, 2014 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I think the 11th composite compared to the the other charts (natal, your composite) with so many superpositions is very significant.Also, you have polarities! Virgo/Pisces, Gemini/Sagittarius, Aqua/Leo...and we were just talking about oppositions
I was really blown that each planet in the Composite conjuncted exactly a natal planet or harmonic planet in either chart. Nothing was left afloat. Im going to do the same comparison in the 9th Harmonic as well. I still think the 9th Harmonic is the one to look at for soulmates if anything. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 12, 2014 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by Orange:
Im going to do the same comparison in the 9th Harmonic as well. I still think the 9th Harmonic is the one to look at for soulmates if anything.
Why? because of vedic astrology? IP: Logged |
Orange
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posted May 12, 2014 11:42 AM
Its kinda bizarre that his South Node in both of his harmonic charts - the 11th and the 9th - conjunct my natal Venus.
In his 11th - its's at 18' Libra
In his 9th - its at 15' Libra
My natal Venus is 17' LibraIP: Logged |
Orange
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posted May 12, 2014 11:51 AM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Why? because of vedic astrology?
Because of what Ive read about it so far.
Also, vedic is big, quite concentrated, on marriage astrology and it's done its research on this topic for plenty of years. 11th harmonic is the decile, indecile aspect. I know nothing about this aspect as of yet. The 11th comparison i listed above is quite intriguing so id give it a chance, thou
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LeeLoo2014
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posted May 12, 2014 12:12 PM
It's the undecile.The basic principle underlying the 11th Harmonic Aspect or Undecile Series of aspects is the need for a capacity for reconciling opposites or dualities. but there is a lack of research on it. IP: Logged |
Orange
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From: Georgia
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posted May 12, 2014 12:19 PM
^^
I just did the comparison with the 9th harmonic charys and the result is not as impressive as with the 11th harmonic
The 9th Composite Venus, Moon and Nodes hit the natal angles for both of us, exact degrees, but the rest is meh. Im getting fonder with the 11th by the hour. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 12, 2014 12:51 PM
9 is a "ceremonial" number, it relates to "teaching", bringing the divine lessons into the world, Zarathustra coming back from the mountain.Maybe that's why the ancients connected it with marriage: because of the relation between 9 and ceremony. But there's more to marriage than "ceremony", at least to modern marriage. But I'm not sure about the significance of the 9th harmonics in synastry yet, so I'll refrain from issuing more opinions until I study more. Nevertheless, I think noviles point to an "ideal" situation, to being one's "ideal" in the noviles of the couple, some sort of practical ideal, brought into the world, into reality, like a perfect team: for example man's Sun in 2nd novile woman's Moon in 4th: a perfect household couple. Woman's Mercury in 3rd novile man's Uranus in 1st: a perfect combination for writers.
There is something practical and having social implications, with the novile.
The septile appears to be an archetype fulfilled in the intangible plane, like a potentiality, a deep spiritual connection. A man's Sun septile a woman's Moon is this perfect couple waiting to "happen" in the real world, that may or may not fulfill in the material plane as a couple, but theirs is definitely a spiritual connection. The septile also is most likely connected to telepathy. I'm inclined to think it is 8 (wedding in the earthly plane) and 11 (its higher, final vibration) that speak about the wedding, whilst nine is "after the wedding', the married couple already in the world, bringing themselves as a couple in the world. Just some thoughts... Then maybe we should look at the 8th harmonics too, for the marriage taking place in the earthly plane. IP: Logged |
mir
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posted May 12, 2014 02:22 PM
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Originally posted by Lavender CrystalSwan:
Btw, I just noticed that we have a exact NN-SN conjunction between our 11th harmonics............. 
Really???
Aha! guess what we have between our 11th h's; My NN 10'24 Scorp.
His NN 10'48 Taurus.
(that's what I already said on page 1 )
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Lavender CrystalSwan
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posted May 12, 2014 03:23 PM
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Originally posted by mir:
Really???Aha! guess what we have between our 11th h's; My NN 10'24 Scorp.
His NN 10'48 Taurus.
(that's what I already said on page 1 )
Lol wow! very interesting, mir! I bet the relationship feels very destined and significant, as if you're travelling along the same path, yes?
Like kindred spirits.
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mir
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posted May 12, 2014 04:00 PM
Yes yesss d e f i n i t e l y !  My.. those sabians.. so spot on! (reading them now) IP: Logged |
superman13
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posted May 12, 2014 06:30 PM
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Hi, tgem The synastry is always the main key to me, although usually synastry and composites are congruent. Sometimes a weak synastry has an apparently good composite, but it's a trap.
I don't know about "trap". I don't know her birth time, but I am pretty sure she is the one regardless. We have a weak Synastry but really strong Composite. I will be happy to send via Email to show you. I gave it to Ceri for look, I don't really want to post it here if you understand. It's been one year since I have met her. She does my head in no matter how hard I pray or cut cords. Its like a Gold Cord. Trust me I have tried everything to cut it, it's my Soul that wants her it so persistent.. IP: Logged |
LeeLoo2014
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posted May 12, 2014 07:00 PM
Superman, you can leave your email, I'll add you to my contacts, you can send your data and I can take a look, if you want. Although it is difficult to evaluate a composite without houses and house rulers, which are a key factor.IP: Logged |
Ceridwen
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posted May 13, 2014 02:56 AM
Composite and synastry are always congruent, there is no strong composite with a weak synastry. It is just that the composite might reveal planetary connections that weren´t quite as "in your face" with a initial glance at the synastry. IP: Logged |
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