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Ceridwen
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posted April 03, 2014 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by tgem:

His natal activated 11 more of my 11th aspects.
What's so funny I find is how much more my natal activates his 11th harmonic yet I'm the one who is awakened and knows the connection between us! I would feel it would almost be the other way around in that he would have picked up on the connection first, given I activated his 11th so strongly...hmmmm, oh well.


The 11th is very internal, so maybe it is too deep and subtle to be "in your face". Maybe it has to be channelled through the 1st harmonic - the basic natal chart.
Or just takes some more time to wake up (through progressions, transits, first meeting charts maybe?)

It made me laugh actually our 11th harmonic composite has an ASC on 11 Sag (boy I need to recalculate cause that composite CAN`T be true. Too creepy, for real! Especially with the outers there - later more)

Anyway 11 Sag, and our first meeting chart had an ASC of 9 Sag and of course this relates to both our natal charts. This is goosebumpy, isn´t it?

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posted April 03, 2014 10:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, Ceri! Yes..that 11 degree composite ASC is CRAZY!!!

It's really pretty amazing the deeper we probe, the more things we find! It just makes your eyes go 😳

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posted April 03, 2014 10:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So do you think it's significant that our tropical composite ASC/DSC axis falls on 11 degrees Virgo/Pisces??!!

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posted April 03, 2014 11:17 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by tgem:
So do you think it's significant that our tropical composite ASC/DSC axis falls on 11 degrees Virgo/Pisces??!!

Why do you think that it would?

D `oh! *slapforehead* Because it is in the 11th harmonic, right?
Eleven?

lol

So weird, that we also have an ASC on 11 degree (just in Sagittarius), though as a mattr of fact Moon falls onto 11 Virgo, only 10 minutes from squaring the ASC.

I find that nteresting, cause natally he has Mars on 11 Virgo, and I have Jupiter on 11 Pisces, which is an opposition of our chartrulers (Aries intercepted in his 1st house).


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posted April 03, 2014 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow I just had the idea to progress our 11th harmonic composite to the day of when I am going to see him as Artus.

(complicated, even with Solar fire. lol)


But Jeez, pr 11th Sun cojunct pr 11th DESC with only 27 minutes of arc, on 14 Cancer - Sirius.

probably I am taking it to far now though. lol


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posted April 03, 2014 11:29 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri, you're right about the orb. Tgem, sorry, I overlooked you were comparing 11th with natal, and not 11th harmonics between themselves.

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posted April 03, 2014 11:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Wow I just had the idea to progress our 11th harmonic composite to the day of when I am going to see him as Artus.

(complicated, even with Solar fire. lol)


But Jeez, pr 11th Sun cojunct pr 11th DESC with only 27 minutes of arc, on 14 Cancer - Sirius.

probably I am taking it to far now though. lol



Knock yourself out, Ceri

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posted April 03, 2014 11:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Why do you think that it would?

D `oh! *slapforehead* Because it is in the 11th harmonic, right?
Eleven?

lol

So weird, that we also have an ASC on 11 degree (just in Sagittarius), though as a mattr of fact Moon falls onto 11 Virgo, only 10 minutes from squaring the ASC.

I find that nteresting, cause natally he has Mars on 11 Virgo, and I have Jupiter on 11 Pisces, which is an opposition of our chartrulers (Aries intercepted in his 1st house).


No our 11 degree ASC in Virgo actually is in our tropical composite...still trying to figure out our 11th harmonic composite

"I find that nteresting, cause natally he has Mars on 11 Virgo, and I have Jupiter on 11 Pisces, which is an opposition of our chartrulers (Aries intercepted in his 1st house)."

That's weird (especially being the chart rulers) which is why I'm wondering if the 11th degree in the tropical composite would be as note-worthy as an 11th degree in the 11th harmonic.

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posted April 03, 2014 11:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Ceri, you're right about the orb. Tgem, sorry, I overlooked you were comparing 11th with natal, and not 11th harmonics between themselves.

Wait weren't we supposed to compare natals to 11th Harmonic right? Did I read that wrong?

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posted April 03, 2014 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Does anyone have a link for a midpoint calculator? Can't find one for the life of me.. Just wanted to verify my math.

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posted April 03, 2014 12:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Wow I just had the idea to progress our 11th harmonic composite to the day of when I am going to see him as Artus.

(complicated, even with Solar fire. lol)


But Jeez, pr 11th Sun cojunct pr 11th DESC with only 27 minutes of arc, on 14 Cancer - Sirius.

probably I am taking it to far now though. lol


I feel the need to acquire that program...

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posted April 03, 2014 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by tgem:
I feel the need to acquire that program...

Don`?t. It`s much too expensive.
Well, it`s okay that I have it, but I shouldn´tz have spent so much money on a computer program. lol

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posted April 03, 2014 01:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by tgem:
Wait weren't we supposed to compare natals to 11th Harmonic right? Did I read that wrong?

Yes, and harmonics with harmonics, and then a harmonics composite.

The more you compare, the more you find patterns and repetitive themes, which is AMAZING

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posted April 03, 2014 01:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Yeah totally...I'm pretty amazed at the soulmate pairings I found especially..I really am curious what I find in our 11th composite.

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posted April 03, 2014 01:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ok help me out...do the orbs for the asteroids in harmonics have to be just as tight (0-3 degrees) as in other charts or can you expand the orbs to like 6 and 7 degrees too?

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posted April 03, 2014 03:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by tgem:
Ok help me out...do the orbs for the asteroids in harmonics have to be just as tight (0-3 degrees) as in other charts or can you expand the orbs to like 6 and 7 degrees too?

Depends what you are using them for.

If you want to know if a certain aspect is present in your natal, you can use an orb of 11 degrees, but ONLY for conjunctions (other aspects are virtually meaningless - well almost).

These would indicate that there is an exact 11th harmonic aspect in our natal.


But that is not what we are doing here. As soon was we use the harmonic as a symbolic chart the same tight orb apply. But you can also look for patterns and other exact aspects.

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posted April 03, 2014 03:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Leeloo,

I started with no 2 from your priority list, and looked up the conjunctions in the 11th harmonic synastry.

my planets first:

DESC conjunct Venus 2.59
IC conjunct Sun 0.33
IC conjunct pluto 0.45
SN conjunct Pluto 3.28
Sun conjunct SN 0.05
(SN conjunct Sun 4.46)
Sun conjunct Uranus 2.09
Moon conjunct IC 0.41
Venus conjunct Avx 4.00

Uranus conjunct APHRODITE 2.59
Uranus conjunct VX 3.34
DESTINN conjunct APHRODITE 1.37
ALMA conjunct Moon 0.59
ALMA conjunct Chiron 1.30
JUNO conjunct KARMA 0.22
JUNO conjunct JUNO 2.24

AMOR conjunct SAturn 0.20
AMOR conjunct UNION 0.43
APHRODITE conjunct Jupiter 1.26
EROS conjunct Saturn 1.54
EROS conjunct UNION 3.17
PSYCHE conjunct Jupiter 2.36
VX conjunct Saturn 3.29
Vx conjunct UNION 3.06

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posted April 03, 2014 03:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
The composite has these conjunctions


ASC conjunct Mars 2.41
IC conjunct PSYCHE 1.23
MC conjunct Vertex 1°54

SN conjunct Sun 2.26
NN conjunct AMOR 1.56
SN conjunct VALENTINE 0.47
SN conjunct CUPIDO 0.10
Sun conjunct VALENTINE 1.39
Sun conjunct CUPIDO 2.16
VALENTINE conjunct CUPIDO 0.37

Uranus conjunct CERES 0.28

Chiron conjunct UNION 1.48

BTW I used these asteroids:

Chiron, Pholus, Karma, DEstinn, Alma, Union, Ceres, Juno, Vesta, Amor, Valentine, Aphrodite, Cupido, Eros and Psyche

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posted April 03, 2014 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri,

To me, these results are outstanding: (lots of karmic soulmate markers)

DESC conjunct Venus 2.59
IC conjunct Sun 0.33
IC conjunct pluto 0.45
SN conjunct Pluto 3.28
Sun conjunct SN 0.05
(SN conjunct Sun 4.46)

Sun conjunct Uranus 2.09
Moon conjunct IC 0.41
Venus conjunct Avx 4.00

Uranus conjunct APHRODITE 2.59
Uranus conjunct VX 3.34
DESTINN conjunct APHRODITE 1.37
ALMA conjunct Moon 0.59
ALMA conjunct Chiron 1.30
JUNO conjunct KARMA 0.22
JUNO conjunct JUNO 2.24

AMOR conjunct SAturn 0.20
AMOR conjunct UNION 0.43

APHRODITE conjunct Jupiter 1.26
EROS conjunct Saturn 1.54
EROS conjunct UNION 3.17
PSYCHE conjunct Jupiter 2.36
VX conjunct Saturn 3.29
Vx conjunct UNION 3.06

In the composite:

ASC conjunct Mars 2.41
IC conjunct PSYCHE 1.23
MC conjunct Vertex 1°54

SN conjunct Sun 2.26
NN conjunct AMOR 1.56
SN conjunct VALENTINE 0.47
SN conjunct CUPIDO 0.10
Sun conjunct VALENTINE 1.39
Sun conjunct CUPIDO 2.16
VALENTINE conjunct CUPIDO 0.37

Uranus conjunct CERES 0.28

Chiron conjunct UNION 1.48

The angles and nodes are HEAVILY aspected wow

You should get this one

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posted April 04, 2014 03:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I finally managed to check for the patterns in the 11th harmonic synastry. I focused on trine based ones (GT, Kite, Star of David) and square based ones (T-square, Grand Square).


TRINE-based

STAR of DAVID
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my Sun 15.17 Taurus
his SN 15.12 Taurus
(his Uranus 17.26 Taurus)

my URanus 14.56 Virgo
(his APHRODITE 17.56 Virgo)

his PHOLUS 13.51 Capricorn

my PHOLUS 14.30 Cancer
my VESTA 15.05 Cancer

his NN 15.12 Scorpio
his Mercury 13.12 Scorpio

his Neptune 15.03 Pisces

so involving my Sun, Uranus, PHOLUS and VESTA
his Nodes, PHOLUS, Neptune and Mercury, possibly APHRODITE


Grand trines
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1a)

my Saturn 6.31 Cancer

my JUNO 6.39 Scorpio
his KARMA 6.17 Scorpio
his JUNO 4.15 Scorpio

his PSYCHE 7.24 Pisces

1b)

my VALENTINE 2.59 Cancer

his Mars 2.05 Pisces

his JUNO 4.15 Scorpio


1c)

my CUPIDO 9.01 Cancer

his KARMA 6.17 Scorpio

his PSYCHE 7.24 Pisces


involving

my Saturn, JUNO, VALENTINE, CUPIDO
his KARMA, JUNO, Mars, PSYCHE

II. square based

(1)
my NN 21.47 Scorpio

my SN 21.47 Taurus

my AMOR 23.38 Leo
my EROS 20.54 Leo
his Saturn 23.48 Leo
his UNION 24.11 Leo

my APHRODITE 23.12 Aquarius
my PSYCHE 24.22 Aquarius
his Jupiter 21.26 Aquarius


my Nodes, AMOR, EROS, APHRODITE, PSYCHE
his Saturn, UNION, Jupiter


(2)

my IC 24.40 Taurus
his Sun 26.33 Taurus
his Pluto 25.15 Taurus

my MC 24.40 Scorpio

my PSYCHE 24.22 Aquarius
my APHRODITE 23.12 Aquarius

my AMOR 23.28 Leo
his Saturn 23.48 Leo
his UNION 24.11 Leo


my MC-IC, PSYCHE, APHRODITE; AMOR
his Sun, Pluto, Saturn, UNION


(3)
my Moon 8.12 Sag
his IC 8.53 Sag
his DESTINN 7.11 Sag

his MC 8.53 Gemini

my Venus 7.23 Virgo

his PSYCHE 7.24 Pisces


my Moon and Venus
his IC-MC, DESTINN and PSYCHE

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my Uranus 14.57 Virgo
my DESTINN 16.19 Virgo
his APHRODITE 17.56 Virgo

my ALMA 14.04 Gemini
his Moon 15.03 Gemini
his Chiron 15.34 Gemini

his Neptune 15.03 Pisces


my Uranus, DESTINN, ALMA
his Neptune, Moon, Chiron, APHRODITE


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my PHOLUS 14.30 Cancer
my VESTA 15.05 Cancer

his PHOLUS 13.51 Cap

his Venus 15.09 Aries

my ASC 17.14 Libra


my PHOLUS, VESTA and ASC
his PHOLUS and Venus


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my JUNO 6.39 Scorpio

his JUNO 4.15 Scorpio
his KARMA 6.17 Scorpio

his ASC 5.28 Aquarius
his ALMA 6.04 Aquarius

his DESC 5.28 Leo


my JUNO
his JUNO; KARMA, ALMA and ASC-DESC

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posted April 04, 2014 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
dominant pattern in the composite is another Star of David:

NN 18.29 Scorpio
AMOR 16.33 Scorpio

SN 18.29 Taurus
Sun 20.55 Taurus
VALENTINE 19.16 Taurus
CUPIDO 18.39 Taurus

Uranus 16.12 Cancer
CERES 16.40 Cancer

Neptune 17.14 Capricorn

Pluto 17.34 Pisces

KARMA 16.13 Virgo

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There is also a KITE with a basic fire Grand trine


ASC 11.48 Sagittarius

ALMA 10.04. Aries

EROS 11.21 Leo
opposite
Mercury 9.22 Aquarius

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posted April 04, 2014 06:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ceri, it's like a perfect combination of love markers (Eros, Juno, Amor, Cupid, Union, Valentine, Aphrodite, Vesta etc.) soul markers (Alma, Psyche, Vesta) and karmic markers (angles, nodes, karma, Saturn, Uranus, Pluto, Pholus). Don't you think? I'm beginning to include Pholus in the karmic markers. It has a Uranian flavor and is a recurrent theme in my comparisons.

BTW, what is Aphrodite for you?

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posted April 09, 2014 04:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I wanted to share this, for all those who experience dreams, visions, OOB and other "paranormal" experiences related to twinflames.

11th harmonics corresponds with Alpha brainwave state (about 8-12 Hz) connected, among other things, with REM sleep and the awakening of the third eye.

Alpha Brain Waves (8 to 12 cycles per second) This brain wave indicates a relaxed state of mind.. State of relaxed alertness, good for inspiration and learning facts fast. A meditative mind. In this state tap into internal “antenna” like qualities. Visions, powerful ideas, mindless creation of the incredible. Internal feeling & sensations.


Wikipedia:

Some researchers posit that there are at least three forms of alpha waves, which may all have different functions in the wake-sleep cycle.

Alpha waves are present at different stages of the wake-sleep cycle. The most widely-researched is during the relaxed mental state, where the subject is at rest with eyes closed, but is not tired or asleep. This alpha activity is centered in the occipital lobe, and is presumed to originate there, although there has been recent speculation that it instead has a thalamic origin.[6] This wave begins appearing at around four months, and is initially a frequency of 4 waves per second. The mature alpha wave, at 10 waves per second, is firmly established by age 3.[7]

The second occurrence of alpha wave activity is during REM sleep. As opposed to the awake form of alpha activity, this form is located in a frontal-central location in the brain. The purpose of alpha activity during REM sleep has yet to be fully understood. Currently, there are arguments that alpha patterns are a normal part of REM sleep, and for the notion that it indicates a semi-arousal period. It has been suggested that this alpha activity is inversely related to REM sleep pressure.

The third occurrence of alpha wave activity is the alpha-delta or slow-wave (SWS) state. This activity spreads across the brain in an anterior-posterior gradient.[8]

It has long been believed that alpha waves indicate a wakeful period during sleep. This has been attributed to studies where subjects report non-refreshing sleep and have EEG records reporting high levels of alpha intrusion into sleep. This occurrence is known as alpha wave intrusion.[9] However, it is possible that these explanations may be misleading, as they only focus on alpha waves being generated from the occipital lobe.

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posted April 26, 2014 08:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for IntuitiveJ     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Very interesting thread!
I just looked at 11th harmonics today.
I'm totally new to all of this but saw some amazing coincidences between natal & 11th in synastry aspect.
My first name in his natal is at 11 aqua
My first name in my 11th harmonic is at...11 aqua!
His last name in my 11th harmonic- 11 gem!
In natal synastry we have pluto conjunct venus less then 1 orb . I'm 10 virgo venus & he's 11 virgo pluto
My 11th harmonic Juno is exact conjunct his natal NN
My 11th harmonic sun conjunct his natal sun (and my name!)
My 11th harmonic boda conjunct his natal venus exact. 22 sag! 11 + 11
It goes on & on....not together tho.
Twin flames? Lots of elevens going on here!
Fun thread!


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posted April 27, 2014 06:18 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by IntuitiveJ:
Very interesting thread!
I just looked at 11th harmonics today.
I'm totally new to all of this but saw some amazing coincidences between natal & 11th in synastry aspect.
My first name in his natal is at 11 aqua
My first name in my 11th harmonic is at...11 aqua!
His last name in my 11th harmonic- 11 gem!
In natal synastry we have pluto conjunct venus less then 1 orb . I'm 10 virgo venus & he's 11 virgo pluto
My 11th harmonic Juno is exact conjunct his natal NN
My 11th harmonic sun conjunct his natal sun (and my name!)
My 11th harmonic boda conjunct his natal venus exact. 22 sag! 11 + 11
It goes on & on....not together tho.
Twin flames? Lots of elevens going on here!
Fun thread!


Interesting aspects, Intuitive, so very fit.

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