posted May 08, 2014 10:15 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Speaking of name asteroids: I have mentioned that Cusp's 1st and last name asteroids are conjunct in my charts. I noticed, in particular, that his first a d last name fall on 23 Aries in my Helio. So I looked up the sabian symbol for 24Aries..this is the description/interpretation:
An open window and net curtain blowing into the shape of a cornucopia.

The cornucopia represents abundance, plenty and prosperity as well as the union of the masculine and feminine. Generosity - has to be a HUGE part of this symbol.

The window with the air blowing in, is a deeply spiritual one, where the cosmos is just blowing in information, detail, gifts and wonders into your life. Keep the window open.

Lynda Hill writes .. 'This could be a time of the realization and enjoyment of incredible layers of spiritual nourishment' ... and 'What actually arrives on your doorstep may not be exactly what you wished for, but is very likely to be somehow rewarding'.

I love the word 'nourishment' as it applies (to me anyway) to being sustained and supported in a healthy and generous way.
And as for 'being exactly what I was wishing for' .. well I dont always like all my vegetables, but it sure makes my body feel heaps better!

The imagery of the 'open window' and the 'net curtain' makes me think of a vortex of energy swirling and moving trying to find its mark. OK - I did think 'tornadeo' but I guess that would depend on what other influences or Symbols were about if it was in a reading, and the Symbols seems to reflect a lightness of spiritual energy entering through the 'open window' using 'the net curatin' ... it didnt say 'rip your curatains off thier rails' lol!

I think 'open window' can also relate to 'being open' to recieve the gifts which are 'blowing' your way.

When we surrender to a higher power, we, become the She, impregnated by the He. We become infused with spiritual light through our openness and receptivity, surrendering and emptying our mind to something bigger than ourselves that knows what it’s doing. We stop controlling events, let go of any attachment and just allow the cornucopia curtains to flow!!

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Very beautiful, tgem!
I love this Sabian, it is my Chiron and it figures strongly in my relationship charts.

Thanks for the wonderful interpretation!

posted May 08, 2014 10:29 AM            

Was quite delirious with tiredness looking at these charts last night so can't wait to look at it all again with a clear head.

posted May 08, 2014 12:14 PM            

12-13 Capricron: A Fire Worshipper Meditates On The Ultimate Realities Of Existence

posted May 08, 2014 12:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
13-14 Aries: A Serpent Coiling Near A Man And A Woman

12-13 Capricron: A Fire Worshipper Meditates On The Ultimate Realities Of Existence

There might be more, but these I associate with Kundalini.

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posted May 09, 2014 03:15 PM            

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Originally posted by Heartsong11:
LeeLoo, Sorry if this was mentioned throughout but I was wondering about planets Neptune and Uranus.

Aren't they significant for twin flames and soul mates? Just wondering if you are considering these for this research?

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Absolutely and I was just thinking about them lately, in connection to twinflames, since they seem to pop up, which makes sense: Uranus as an 11th vibration and the planet of the Aquarian age and Neptune as the love between twinflames: the higher kind. Venus/Neptune seem to be connected in twinflame aspects and Uranus usually is part of a "fateful" configuration, but I'm still gathering facts.

posted May 09, 2014 04:41 PM            

Just did 11th to natals and there are a lot of aspects there too.

I'll just list my natal and his 11th first as I think it seems strongest.

Moon opp Sun 2°
Sun opp Venus 4°
Moon opp Venus 0°
Moon conj Juno 2°
Venus conj NN 1°
Venus opp Jupiter 1°
Venus opp Psyche 1°
Jupiter conj Pluto 0°
Uranus conj Jupiter 0°
Uranus conj SN 0°
Uranus conj Psyche 2°
Neptune opp Neptune °
Chiron conj Pholus 0°
Chiron conj Moon 2°
Destinn conj Venus 2°
Karma conj Neptune 2°
Amor opp Saturn 0°
Cupido conjunct Amor 2°
Pholus conj Jupiter 1°
Pholus conj Psyche 1°

In our 11synastry I found more than what I previously posted.

A few Uranus and Neptune too.

Uranus conj Mercury and Mars 1 and 4°
Uranus conj Amor 1°.

Neptune conj Saturn 0° nearly exact.
I also left out Eros conj Valentine 2°

My 11th to his Natal:

sun opp pholus 2°
Venus conj Amor 2°
Venus opp Uranus 1°
Saturn conj Venus 1°
Saturn conj Neptune 1minute aprt
Neptune conj Chiron 3°
Neptune conj Amor 0°
Juno conj Venus 1°
Juno conj Neptune 0°
My name conjunct Cupido 0°
Destinn conjunct NN 2°
Karma conj NN 1°
Union conj Uranus 5 mins apart
Eros conj Uranus 1°
Eros opp Amor 2°

No other other aspects worked out yet.
Do you think trines and sextiles are more important than oppositions in twin flame cases?

Edit: forgot to list Venus opp Mars in 11th synastry!

posted May 09, 2014 05:08 PM            

Oppositions (together with conjunctions, of course), but the very concept of oppositions is related to the twins, to mirroring, complementarity, especially in the case of oppositions strengthened by declinations (contraparallels).

posted May 09, 2014 05:22 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Trines and sextiles? Not really, unless they are part of a more complicated, revelatory configuration.

Oppositions (together with conjunctions, of course), but the very concept of oppositions is related to the twins, to mirroring, complementarity, especially in the case of oppositions strengthened by declinations (contraparallels).

Anyway, Sun opp Moon and Sun/Venus Moon/Venus are very strong aspects in a natal to 11th comparison like yours.

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Ah ok. I just thought I'd ask because I think I read something a while ago (maybe it wasn't on LL) about oppositions kind of going against what twin flames are about. That conjunctions are more viable as twin flames are supposed to be the same really. So that lead me to think that trines and sextiles also mean a smoother relationship and could be more important than oppositions.

In my experience I feel the mirroring is very true for us so I get how the oppositions come into play. Just wanted to get another opinion

Thanks

posted May 09, 2014 05:25 PM            

We also have venus/Uranus DW...a quincunx and an exact trine). We also have 17 Uranus aspects (including 5 DW's.)

In the tropical composite, there are 10 neptune aspects (not including any asteroids) and 6 Uranus aspects.

posted May 09, 2014 05:30 PM            

How We Can Find If Two Persons Are Twin Flames

An astrologer usually has a difficulty time answering if two persons are each others twin flame because the basic instruments are not helpful. Longitudanal charts as we know them are not very helpful if we don’t know some other important techniques.

First of all, we have to understand that according to what we’ve discussed, a twin flame is the other half of the soul when is splits entering the human kingdom through geminian influences. This means our soul splits into opposites and we have to find our other half.

In astrology, we are full of opposites; the chart itself is built through opposites. Aries and Libra, Taurus and Scorpio, Gemini and Sagittarius, Cancer and Capricorn, Leo and Aquarius, Virgo and Pisces. All of these are polarities that work among themselves. It is very important when we try to find our twin soul to share opposing planets with the other person. Astrologers and people usually try to avoid opposition because medieval thought used to believe it was a bad aspect. In fact, oppositions between two charts may create some conflicts, but they are very important when you want to have a relationship that really contributes to individuals.

Planets in opposition between two charts are very important when we try to trigger the twin flame relationship. We have to be very careful because we don’t just want the planets to be in opposition but also in contra-parallel. Only when two planets are in opposition and in contra-parallel can we talk about the possibility of a twin flame relationship.

The first criterion is opposition. The other criterion is a very important concept we call “Antiscia.” The degree when the planet has equal day-time is called antiscia. For example the antiscia of a planet in 21o of Taurus is 09o of Leo.

But according to theory twin flames are not based on similarity, so antiscia is not in reality the real point we look for because a person that has a lot of planets in our antiscia points has similarities with us, not oppositions.

The point that is in opposition with Antiscia is Contra-Antiscia. So a person with his planet in 21o Taurus has his contra-antiscia point in 9o of Aquarius. So when a person has a lot of planets in our contra-antiscia points this means that he is probably a twin flame for us.
At this point, we have to combine both techniques. We have to see if any planets are in opposition and contra-parallel at the same time but also to find if there are any connections with each other’s contra-antiscia points.

Of course there are other secondary things an astrologer should look at. First of all we have to look at whether or not the person of interest has planets in the water houses (fourth, eighth and twelth). Although the fourth house sometimes can give us information about whether or not the person found his “father” or “mother” and not his twin flame, for this reason we have to be careful with the interpretation. The reverse is also very important. If we have planets in the other person’s water houses then we increase the probability of a twin flame relationship.

Secondly we have to see if there are planets of the person who form aspects with our retrograde planets, especially Venus. A lot of people with Venus retrograde have high probability to meet their twin flame. Retrograde planets may sometimes be identified with karma but in fact if the theory of twin flames exists, then every time there is an incarnation, every time our soul happens to split our karma partners may be our twin flame.

posted May 09, 2014 05:35 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
In synastry, Cusp and I have venus/neptune DW....the square and opposition. We actually have 17 neptune aspects between us ( including 5 DW's.)

We also have venus/Uranus DW...a quincunx and an exact trine). We also have 17 Uranus aspects (including 5 DW's.)

In the tropical composite, there are 10 neptune aspects (not including any asteroids) and 6 Uranus aspects.

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posted May 09, 2014 05:57 PM            

I still don't get contra-antisca points. How do I find mine?

In composite we have sun square neptune, moon square neptune, mercury quintile neptune, venus sesquisquare Chiron and neptune, jupiter opposite neptune, Saturn trine, Pluto and NN sextile.

posted May 09, 2014 06:21 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
I have read this article. I don't agree with the venus retrograde either, but I also don't agree with the 1st and 12th house Stelliums. I believe a stellium in the 7th would be very important as the purpose/focus of the relationship is in partnership...which is what TF's are.

I still don't get contra-antisca points. How do I find mine?

In composite we have sun square neptune, moon square neptune, mercury quintile neptune, venus sesquisquare Chiron and neptune, jupiter opposite neptune, Saturn trine, Pluto and NN sextile.

Uranus aspects: sun and moon trine Uranus, jupiter quincunx, Saturn square, Pluto semi-sextile.

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Yup. Strong Neptune Uranus aspects, to both luminaries.

I agree, 7th house composite is a classic, but we can;t ignore 12th and 1st house composites either, when it comes to soulmates/twinflames .

posted May 09, 2014 07:49 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Yup. Strong Neptune Uranus aspects, to both luminaries.

I agree, 7th house composite is a classic, but we can;t ignore 12th and 1st house composites either, when it comes to soulmates/twinflames .

Contra-antiscia are the aspects crossing Aries/Libra axis. You consider 0 Aries/0 Libra like a folding axis. In your synastry, you look if any of your planets conjunct his over this line, symmetrically.

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posted May 09, 2014 07:52 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Hmmm, well my mercury conjuncts his Chiron in Aries a d his Ceres conjuncts my NN in Libra. Does that count? My Pluto also conjuncts his Pluto in Libra but I know that's generational.

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posted May 09, 2014 08:05 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
No these are just the conjunctions in synastry that fall on the Aries/Libra axis. Is there a calculation for antiscia points? I think I need an example. For instance my sun is Tau 17'35..what would the antiscia be?

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It's not about what falls on Aries/Libra axis, it's about what is left/right from Aries/Libra axis. Like folding the chart on Aries/Libra axis (like folding a paper in the middle and Aries/Libra axis is the folding line) and see which planet to the right falls on which planet to the left. Capisci? Tell me if you don't, I'll try another approach

posted May 09, 2014 08:21 PM            

Normally you substract the planet's degree from 30.
For example:

Your Sun in Tau 17 - Contra-antiscia: 30 minus 17 = Aquarius 13 is the contra-antiscia, solstice point, of your Sun.

The contra-antiscia of Aries is Pisces and vice versa.
The contra-antiscia of Taurus is Aquarius and vice versa.
The contra-antiscia of Gemini is Capricorn and vice versa.
The contra-antiscia of Libra is Virgo and vice versa.
The contra-antiscia of Scorpio is Leo and vice versa.
The contra-antiscia of Sagittarius is Cancer and vice versa

posted May 09, 2014 08:54 PM            

Any thoughts on these 11th harmonic charts:

Mine:

posted May 10, 2014 08:41 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Tgem,

Normally you substract the planet's degree from 30.
For example:

Your Sun in Tau 17 - Contra-antiscia: 30 minus 17 = Aquarius 13 is the contra-antiscia, solstice point, of your Sun.

The contra-antiscia of Aries is Pisces and vice versa.
The contra-antiscia of Taurus is Aquarius and vice versa.
The contra-antiscia of Gemini is Capricorn and vice versa.
The contra-antiscia of Libra is Virgo and vice versa.
The contra-antiscia of Scorpio is Leo and vice versa.
The contra-antiscia of Sagittarius is Cancer and vice versa

Sorry if I'm being fuzzy, I'm working on a paper here and it';s late at night Tell me if you got it right.

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Got it got it got it....thank you! Sorry I has to have it spelled out for me

posted May 10, 2014 08:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
T-gem,

one degree.

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posted May 10, 2014 09:01 AM            

The contra-antiscia of Cusp's sun is 3 Gem...my moon falls on 3 Gem!

Ready for more?

The antiscia of my sun is conjunct his Saturn by 1
The antiscia of my venus falls on his vesta exact
The antiscia of my mars falls on his Amor exact
The contra-antiscia of my Jupiter falls on his moon exact
The antiscia of my neptune is conjunct his mars by 1 and his name asteroid by 7 minutes!
The contra-antiscia of my Uranus is conjunct his Saturn by 1