posted May 02, 2014 05:49 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Interesting. I actually think there is a connection between 11 and 8 in terms of twinflames. Check page 10 for references to 8 as the cosmic wedding materialized in the earthly plane. I believe 11 is the soul, spiritual connection and the 8 brings the wedding on earth. 8 a higher octave of 11 in the material plane, 11 a higher octave of 8 in the astral realms, both connected to the lemniscate. 11 is like a gate, actually. It looks like a gate. And both numbers have two elements symmetrically connected. 8 plus 11 equals 1, unity.

I think you should compare your 11th harmonics against his natal and viceversa, to see if you have twinflame connections, also do a synastry between your 11th harmonics.

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Well, I check my 11th harmonic against the chart of day he came. And 8th harmonic as well.

posted May 03, 2014 06:52 AM            

However for major planets and conjunctions/ oppositions I consider a 5 degree orb to be strong (actually even up to 11 degree for conjunctions of 11th-11th would be okayish, as this means there is a 11th harmonic aspect between said planets, that does not exceed one degree in natal chart).

However I still like them to be tighter, 3 degrees for asteroids, 5 degrees for major planets and angles. And as a matter of fact I have found very exact alignments in soul-connections. Sometimes down to the very MINUTE!

Of course in terms of patterns, the orbs can be a bit wider than the 3-5 degrees. It epends a little, check if the pattern also has midpoint configuration, then I would consider it definitely significant.

posted May 03, 2014 07:19 AM            

Now, don't think I bought this twinflame theory I checked our connections out of curiosity.

11th to 11th

max orb: 6 for planets, 3 for asteroids

his Moon conjunct my Sun
his MC and my ASC in the same sign
his Mars conjunct my MC
his DSC conjunct my Mars
his Valentine conjunct my Venus (<1)
Juno in the same sign
his Venus conjunct my Saturn
his DSC conjunct my Vertex
his Mars conjunct my Pluto
his Ceres conjunct my Jupiter exact
his Sun opposite my Pluto
his Venus opposite my Uranus
his Saturn conjunct my SN and opposite Mercury
his Juno conjunct my Amor exact
his Valentine opposite my Sun
his IC conjunct my Eros
his Jupiter opposite my Pluto
his Neptune conjunct my Saturn

posted May 03, 2014 07:33 AM            

Moon conjunct Sun seems quite strong to me. I have seen that repeatedly, too.

DESC-Vertex speaking of a very significant, maybe lifechanging (subtly) encounter.

As for the others, the Mars-angle speaks more of physical chemistry and sexual sparks (or fighting spirit) than really of deep seated romance and soull love.

Karmic (Venus-Saturn for example), possibly slightly obsessive (Pluto) connection.
Though there is romance in it as well, with Valentine and Juno-Amor, but I still think the Sun and Mars to your Pluto sounds so amazingly intense, yet in a more sexual than deeply loving way (which can be quite hot as a matter of fact.).

T-square?

posted May 03, 2014 07:50 AM            

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Moon conjunct Sun seems quite strong to me. I have seen that repeatedly, too.

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As for the others, the Mars-angle speaks more of physical chemistry and sexual sparks (or fighting spirit) than really of deep seated romance and soull love.

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It's annoying that angles are so sensitive here. One minute difference=3 deg so it all is not that certain.

posted May 03, 2014 08:25 AM            

his 11th - my natal

his Moon conjunct my Uranus and Neptune
his Moon opposite my Pholus
his Mercury conjunct my Vertex
his Venus and Vertex opposite my Moon
his Pluto conjunct my Mars
his NN conjunct my Mercury and Juno
his Saturn and anti-Vertex conjunct my asteroid stellium (Apollo, Aphrodite, Eros, bla bla)

my 11th - his natal

my ASC conjunct his IC
my ASC conjunct his Valentine
my DSC conjunct his Vesta
my anti-Vertex conjunct his Mercury
my Sun opposite his Psyche
my Venus conjunct his Psyche
my Mars opposite his Venus and Vertex
my Chiron conjunct his Jupiter and Saturn
my Uranus conjunct his Pluto and Juno
my Ceres conjunct his Venus and Vertex
my Pluto conjunct his Eros
my SN conjunct his Moon
my Mercury opposite his Moon

Interestingly, we have Spirit conjunct Spirit under 1 deg in our 11H charts.

posted May 03, 2014 10:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
How long have you been waiting for him now?

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Too Long in my opinion.

But, I do know that he is coming back.
Hopefully, soon after looking at 11th thanks to this thread it could be when sun in Taurus hits about 25 degree.

Sun / Venus conjunction ! Same day as Venus / Uranus conjunction in aries opposition my vertex in libra with my Aphrodite. And transit Aphrodite will conjunct transit node.

The thing that has me worried is the full moon opposing the sun/ Venus conjunction in the 11th harmonic just one or two days before.
But someone mentioned that full moons bring endings so that it can bring beginnings. At least the sun will conjunct the sun/ Venus conjunction.

I will have to do a little more research but it could work maybe.

posted May 03, 2014 11:33 AM            

Yes, you say you know he will be coming back, but there is no knowing this. Only hoping and believing.
Is it enough?
If you say - genuinely- from the bottom of your heart you are happy waiting for him, then that is enough.

But to be honest I doubt it is.
Well, he might be your soul
mate, even your twinflame, it will not guarantee you a happily-ever-after, like you paint it in your mind, like you long for it to happen.
It`s not just you in the equation, he might simply not be ready, and might not be for a long time, maybe even this whole life.
And what then?
If it never happens, if he never returns to you in this life, how will you feel about it at the end of it?
Will you feel waiting for him all these years was worth it?

Maybe it is. I donīt know. Maybe it is what you need to do right now.
But personally I fear you have gotten stuck.
I just want to say donīt build up to high expectations. I have seen you doing it over and over again in the last years, everytime a new date, a new time when he would be coming back, and everytime you got disappointed, and it just must hurt so freaking much, to have this hope, just for it to be shattered once again.

But whatever, and really I can`t know what you are really feeling, I sincerely hope you are at peace being in waiting mode.
And if not, I hope you find the strength one day to let go and find happiness in your present day.

posted May 03, 2014 11:39 AM            

if there are very exact conjunctions, they will come up in higher harmonics as well.

Anyway, yes, Moon-Pluto, intense-emotional stuff. Definitely. Angle conjunctions always big, though Mars is not necessarily made of soulmate-stuff.

posted May 03, 2014 01:16 PM            

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though Mars is not necessarily made of soulmate-stuff.

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posted May 07, 2014 08:24 AM            

I tend to think as a general rule for many types of charts, critical degrees show important events, turning points, an important life in terms of soul evolution and destiny.

posted May 07, 2014 10:56 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I can`t help but posting our helio composite, just I find it too beautiful to not marvel at it.

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What a perfect chart...
That Kite... and the interconnected Hammers involving VenusMoon/Mars archetype, even that karmic Saturn square must have a balance somewhere in your other charts. Saturn quincunx Pholus and Union, with emphasis on Virgo.

posted May 07, 2014 05:04 PM            

First thing I noticed was my Venus at 11° Gemini.

Also my NN and SN fall at 25° Cancer and Cap respectively but at 22mins and 22 seconds

My Venus is opposite Eros at 11° Gem and Sag

Eros conjunct Union at 1°
Juno conj Saturn 15 mins
Alma conj Pholus 1°30
Valentine conjunct my Name asteroid. ok I don't consider my name a love asteroid but still

NN conj my AC wide almost 4°
AC conj Chiron almost exact

These are just few aspects with two people I consider very significant soul connections:

Warning: I'm not sure everything I'm listing is part of what you're looking for but I tried. I wasn't going to include name asteroids but they were doing some funny stuff so I'm gonna list them

Person 1:

Sun opp Sun 5°
Sun opp Chiron 10 mins
Sun conj MC 1°
Moon conj DC wide almost 4°
Moon conj Saturn 1°
Moon conj pluto 1°

Jupiter conj Juno 14 mins
Saturn conj Karma 2°
NN conj Alma 2°
Valentine conj his name asteroid 2°
My name asteroid conj Eros 20 mins

Our name asteroids opposite 7 mins apart .

The 2nd:
I noticed our Venus' directly opposite. Again at 11° Gemini and Sag.

His NN conj my name asteroid within 30 mins
Cupido conjunct my Valentine 2° 10 mins
Psyche and Alma opposite but wide at 3°
Moon conj Valentine 2°

Going to have a closer look at the charts and compare natals too.

posted May 07, 2014 05:50 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Hi, Heartsong
I'll check your aspects in detail. But for now, thanks for the idea with the name asteroids, I forgot to check that and now I've discovered in my 11th his name is conjunct my DSC (1) and in his 11th, our names are conjunct (0).

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Love the name asteroids. Always something interesting with them

posted May 08, 2014 07:44 AM            

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Originally posted by Heartsong11:
I've been following this thread whenever I can. It's really interesting.
I only really got a chance to glance at my own 11th harmonic for first time tonight.

First thing I noticed was my Venus at 11° Gemini.

Also my NN and SN fall at 25° Cancer and Cap respectively but at 22mins and 22 seconds

My Venus is opposite Eros at 11° Gem and Sag

Eros conjunct Union at 1°
Juno conj Saturn 15 mins
Alma conj Pholus 1°30
Valentine conjunct my Name asteroid. ok I don't consider my name a love asteroid but still

NN conj my AC wide almost 4°
AC conj Chiron almost exact

These are just few aspects with two people I consider very significant soul connections:

Warning: I'm not sure everything I'm listing is part of what you're looking for but I tried. I wasn't going to include name asteroids but they were doing some funny stuff so I'm gonna list them

Person 1:

Sun opp Sun 5°
Sun opp Chiron 10 mins
Sun conj MC 1°
Moon conj DC wide almost 4°
Moon conj Saturn 1°
Moon conj pluto 1°

Jupiter conj Juno 14 mins
Saturn conj Karma 2°
NN conj Alma 2°
Valentine conj his name asteroid 2°
My name asteroid conj Eros 20 mins

Our name asteroids opposite 7 mins apart .

The 2nd:
I noticed our Venus' directly opposite. Again at 11° Gemini and Sag.

His NN conj my name asteroid within 30 mins
Cupido conjunct my Valentine 2° 10 mins
Psyche and Alma opposite but wide at 3°
Moon conj Valentine 2°

Going to have a closer look at the charts and compare natals too.

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posted May 08, 2014 09:40 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I've been looking at some 11th comparisons for famous love stories and for some long term beautiful couples, I'll post some famous examples when I have time, and I've concluded critical degrees seem to be an important sign of significant twinflame encounters (gradually meeting your twinflame until the final meeting). Late degrees (28-29) point to the end of a cycle, the harvest point, important meeting and early degrees (0-2) show the beginning of a cycle, rejuvenation, also important meeting.

I tend to think as a general rule for many types of charts, critical degrees show important events, turning points, an important life in terms of soul evolution and destiny.

Outer planets also play an important role in twinflame charts, Uranus - self-explanatory, always there somehow, but I was wondering if Neptune shouldn't play a major role too? Since Neptune is the planet of twinflame love, of higher love? What do you think about outer planets and twinflame charts?

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Thought I would jump in here regarding the critical degrees: they are very prominent in Cusp's and my charts:
My natal:
ASC @ 1 Can
Amor@ 0 Ari
My name asteroid 29 Pis
His first and last name asteroids in my natal 29 Ari

My Helio:
Saturn @ 0 Vir

My 11th harmonic:
Chiron @ 0 Tau
Saturn @ 0 Scorpio
Venus@ 29 Leo
Isis@ 0 Can

Cusp's natal:
Pallas @ 29 Leo
NN @ 29 Lib
My name asteroid 0 Lib
Child @ 0 Cap

His Helio:
Chiron @ 0 Tau
Jupiter@ 1 Gem

His 11th Harmonic:
Chiron @ 0 Aqu
Juno@ 0 Tau

Our tropical composite:
Ceres @ 1 Sag
Juno @ 29 Sag
Merc @ 29 Aqu
Venus@ 29 Ari
Chiron @ 1Tau

Helio composite:
Amor @ 0 Tau
Venus @ 0Can
Eros @ 0Leo
His name asteroid @ 0 Pis

Draco composite:
NN @ 0 Ari
Neptune @ 29 Tau
Karma @ 29 Can
His last name @ 29 Leo
Pholus @ 0 Vir
Valentine @ 29 Lib
Psyche @ 29 Pis

posted May 08, 2014 09:52 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Hi, Heartsong
I'll check your aspects in detail. But for now, thanks for the idea with the name asteroids, I forgot to check that and now I've discovered in my 11th his name is conjunct my DSC (1) and in his 11th, our names are conjunct (0).

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Speaking of name asteroids: I have mentioned that Cusp's 1st and last name asteroids are conjunct in my charts. I noticed, in particular, that his first a d last name fall on 23 Aries in my Helio. So I looked up the sabian symbol for 24Aries..this is the description/interpretation:
An open window and net curtain blowing into the shape of a cornucopia.

The cornucopia represents abundance, plenty and prosperity as well as the union of the masculine and feminine. Generosity - has to be a HUGE part of this symbol.

The window with the air blowing in, is a deeply spiritual one, where the cosmos is just blowing in information, detail, gifts and wonders into your life. Keep the window open.

Lynda Hill writes .. 'This could be a time of the realization and enjoyment of incredible layers of spiritual nourishment' ... and 'What actually arrives on your doorstep may not be exactly what you wished for, but is very likely to be somehow rewarding'.

I love the word 'nourishment' as it applies (to me anyway) to being sustained and supported in a healthy and generous way.
And as for 'being exactly what I was wishing for' .. well I dont always like all my vegetables, but it sure makes my body feel heaps better!

The imagery of the 'open window' and the 'net curtain' makes me think of a vortex of energy swirling and moving trying to find its mark. OK - I did think 'tornadeo' but I guess that would depend on what other influences or Symbols were about if it was in a reading, and the Symbols seems to reflect a lightness of spiritual energy entering through the 'open window' using 'the net curatin' ... it didnt say 'rip your curatains off thier rails' lol!

I think 'open window' can also relate to 'being open' to recieve the gifts which are 'blowing' your way.

When we surrender to a higher power, we, become the She, impregnated by the He. We become infused with spiritual light through our openness and receptivity, surrendering and emptying our mind to something bigger than ourselves that knows what it’s doing. We stop controlling events, let go of any attachment and just allow the cornucopia curtains to flow!!