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LeeLoo2014
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posted April 01, 2014 04:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Following what we've discussed on the Twinflame thread about the significance of number 11 as the twinflame number and the 11th house as a marker for twinflame relationships, I want to suggest an 11th harmonics comparison between the two charts.

I think you should also check your personal 11th harmonics chart to see if it has strong, significant aspects or patterns which might indicate a possible twinflame encounter in this life.

I'll get back with my own aspects.

EDIT:

Even if twinflame relationships are said to be very rare, I think every great love we encounter is at least a “spark” of our twin.
I think 11th harmonics might be very significant.
I would look for:

- clues in the individual 11th harmonics pointing to a possible twinflame encounter: Venus, Moon, love asteroids connected in pairs, Venus on the angles/NN axis. Connection between karmic astrobodies (Saturn, Pluto, Vertex, Karma, Pholus etc.) and the said love astrobodies. (Venus, Moon, Amor, Valentine, Union, Juno, Cupid, Eros)
- significant Alma and Psyche contacts

- In the comparison:

- Sun, Moon interconnected or connected with angles and love asteroids
- Venus aspected with angles and love/karmic astrobodies
- Love astrobodies connected with angles and karmic astrobodies
- Alma and Psyche contacts
- Planets on ASC/DSC, NN/SN


After that, for the real astro-freaks , a comparison can be made between the 11th harmonics and the natal to see if that specific person activates your 11th harmonics, your “twinflame” chart. This comparison might even be more important that the 11th harmonics synastry.

The rule is: the natal chart partner is the one who activates the 11th harmonics partner. So we check if our natal planets trigger the 11th harmonics aspects of the other.

Then (since the obsession grows in time and space ) we proceed with the 11th harmonics composite, which should be the real deal. It should have significant markers with the tropical composite and the natals, and other important chart between you two.

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posted April 01, 2014 05:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MorpHnStorM     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Following what we've discussed on the Twinflame thread about the significance of number 11 as the twinflame number and the 11th house as a marker for twinflame relationships, I want to suggest an 11th harmonics comparison between the two charts.

I think you should also check your personal 11th harmonics chart to see if it has strong, significant aspects or patterns which might indicate a possible twinflame encounter in this life.

I'll get back with my own aspects.


My thoughts about a possible connection here would have more to do with what's associated with the 11th house/Uranus/Aquarius, rather than just simply trying to make a connection because of the number 11 and its association with "TFs".

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posted April 01, 2014 05:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
what ever it might be

MR Sag has a JUNO-KARMA conjunction in this chart, and my JUNO joins them. :laughing.
his Karma-my JUno both on 6 Scorpio.


Also his Venus on my DESC; my Moon on his IC. I didn`t have timne to look into depth though.

Oh and his one degree Sun-Pluto-conjunction on my IC. Conjunct my Sun, which is ALSO conjunct his Uraus. On my SN.

my Venus on his VX opposite his Mars.


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posted April 01, 2014 05:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by MorpHnStorM:
My thoughts about a possible connection here have more to do with what's associated with the 11th house/Uranus/Aquarius, rather than just simply trying to make a connection because of the number 11 and its association with "TFs".

Not only because of number 11, but also referring to the 11th house as a house of platonic, ideal, true companion love and the "twinflame" theme being Aquarian in nature.

But what are your thoughts about the 11th harmonics and the 11th house?

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posted April 01, 2014 05:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
what ever it might be

MR Sag has a JUNO-KARMA conjunction in this chart, and my JUNO joins them. :laughing.
his Karma-my JUno both on 6 Scorpio.


Also his Venus on my DESC; my Moon on his IC. I didn`t have timne to look into depth though.

Oh and his one degree Sun-Pluto-conjunction on my IC.


Maybe when you have the time, Ceri...
Those aspects already seem quite significant.

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posted April 01, 2014 05:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for MsPrism     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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posted April 01, 2014 11:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, I love this chart!! The guy I just started dating n I's charts are crazy cross connected!
I really adore him more than I have anyone at the start of a relationship, he really awesome!

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posted April 02, 2014 03:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I really was seeing 11:11 and 22:22 ALL the time, a few months before i met him, and i'll tell you more. Me seeing those numbers was the EXACT reason why we even met (literally).

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posted April 02, 2014 09:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Looking at my 11th harmonic I have a stellium of Uranus, neptune and jupiter in Aquarius. Uranus quintiles my mercury and bi-quintiles my sun and venus. It also squares my chiron and opposes my karma. In general my strong aspects are sun opposite Pluto, moon conjunct Pluto and mercury conjunct my NN.

He has SN @ Aqu 22' 25 conjunct Valentine I his 11th harmonic.

The 11th harmonic between Cusp and I is pretty significant:
My sun trine his Saturn (1.5)
Opposite his VTX (0)
Square his MC/IC (0)
My moon conjunct his Pluto (1.8)
My merc opposite his moon (0)
My venus conjunct his vesta (0)
My mars opposite his venus (1.8)
Square his Uranus (0)
My jupiter trine his Pallas (0)
My Saturn conjunct his NN (0)
My Uranus square his alma (0)
Square his ASC (0)
My neptune square his mars (0)
Trine his IC (1)
My SN conjunct his moon (2)
My chiron trine his Uranus (1)
Opposite his alma (0)
Conjunct his ASC (1.5)
My VTX square his Ceres (1)
My Juno trine his MC (1.5)
My alma trine his Juno (1.5)
My ASC trine his Saturn (0)
My MC trine his VTX (1.5)
My Valentine conjunct his karma (1.5)
Trine his Cupido (1.5)
My Amor opposite his venus (0)
My union trine his union (2)
My Cupido opposite his alma (0)
Conjunct his ASC (1.5)
My eros Square his Cupido (2)
My psyche trine his vesta (0)

As far as his asteroids really quick:
His Amor conjunct my anti-VTX (1.8)
His karma opposite my sun (2)
Conjunct my Pluto (2)
Trine my DSC (1)
Conjunct my MC (0)
His union trine my mercury (0)
Trine my NN (2)
His Cupido trine my Pluto (1)
Square my VTX (1)
His eros square my Saturn (1)
Square my jupiter (2)
His psyche square my Uranus (0)
Conjunct my Chiron (0)
His ASC conjunct my Cupido (1.5)

For soulmate pairings:
In my 11th I have Siva trine Kaali @ 1.5
And Siva semi-sextile Parvati very wide at 1.5

In his 11th he has Pluto opposite Proserpina @ 2

So in 11th harmonic synastry we have:
My Siva square his Parvati (0)
My Proserpina opposite his Pluto (0)
My Isis quincunx his Osiris very wide (2.8)

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posted April 02, 2014 10:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Most striking at first glance;

reversed nodes;

My NN 10'24 Scorp.
His NN 10'48 Taurus.

My MC 4'01 Sag.
His Venus 4'38 Sag.

His MC/IC axis overlays (within 1*)
My exact Chiron/Moon opposition
(with my Moon on his IC like ceri has with sag )


Angles jump out as you see.

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posted April 02, 2014 10:50 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Tulipe     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Leeloo, I'm glad that I found this, and you say the 11th/Uranus/Aquarius in composite is a marker of "TF". All the stuffs I read about 11th in composite seem so impersonal, nothing profound. From what you said, I gather 'TF' doesn't have to be romantic in nature? I'm just curious, hope you don't mind my ignorance

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posted April 02, 2014 10:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL

Him and me have an Isis-Osiris-conjunction in 11th harmonic composite with an orb of 23 minutes
(which means in the original composite they are in an 11th harmonic aspect, the undecile).

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posted April 02, 2014 10:54 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Gabby     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
LOL

Him and me have an Isis-Osiris-conjunction in 11th harmonic composite with an orb of 23 minutes
(which means in the original composite they are in an 11th harmonic aspect, the undecile).


How do you run an 11th house harmonic composite?

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posted April 02, 2014 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mir     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Ow.. and I see a "same phase angle" between Juno and Jupiter.
Jupiter is 9 degrees past Juno in both cases.
(0'23)

Calculate; the midpoint of his Juno and my Jupiter is conjunct the midpoint of my Juno and his Jupiter.

I consider those same phase angles as very important (on the level of a composite conjunction) since I heard Cochrane about its significance


No idea how to run a Composite with harmonics.

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posted April 02, 2014 11:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I am lazy today, so I cast the charts with solar fire, cause I can see them together on a biwheel - unfortunately without the more intriguing asteroids.

Well, basically you could consider an 11 degree orb for conjunctions in the 11th harmonic chart - cause that would come up as an 11th harmonic aspect in the natal or synastry chart.

But I am sticking to closer orbs for now - actually 3 degree orb in this harmonic relates to about 15 minute orb in the natal chart. 5 degree would be a bit below 30 minutes, so everything under 5 degrees in this harmonic would be REALLY tight. lol


his Venus conjunct my DESC 2°59
his Venus conjunct my true LILITH 0°19

his Sun conjunct my IC 0°33
his Pluto conjunct my IC 0°45
his IC conjunct my Moon 0°41

so this Sun-IC, Moon-IC is really very exact


his Sun conjunct my SN 4°46
his Pluto conjunct my SN 3°28
his SN conjunct my Sun 0°05
his Uranus conjunct my SN 2°09
his Uranus conjunct my SN 4°19


his Saturn conjunct my Vertex 3°29
his Vertex conjunct my Uranus 3°34
his Vertex conjunct my Venus 4°00
his Jupiter conjunct my Avx 5°31
his Pallas conjunct my Avx 0°24
his Mars conjunct my Avx 4°48
his Mars opposite my Jupiter 1°16
his Mars opposite my Venus 5°18

his Juno conjunct my Juno 2°14
his NN conjunct my Neptune 4°13
his NN conjunct my NN 6°35
(it looks wide, yes, but actually means our nodal axis are in 11th harmonic aspect within just over half a degree natally)


his Neptune opp. my Uranus0°06

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posted April 02, 2014 11:26 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mir:


No idea how to run a Composite with harmonics.


Use Solar fire.


Otherwise you have to do it manually. Add the same planets in the harmonics to each other, divde by 2, and take the near midoint.

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posted April 02, 2014 11:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Use Solar fire.


Otherwise you have to do it manually. Add the same planets in the harmonics to each other, divde by 2, and take the near midoint.


Ceri I don't have solar fire Can you run my and Cusp's composite 11th harmonic quick just to see if we have anything really significant like a soulmate pairing of something? I'd be most appreciative... Only when you have a few minutes of course.

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posted April 02, 2014 11:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Sorry can`t look for any soulmate pairings on solar fire, as I haven`t found out how to put into the asteroids I want. Only the usual ones Juno, Vesta, Ceres, Pallas are being shown.

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posted April 02, 2014 12:02 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tgem     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh ok. Nevermind then. Thx anyway.

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posted April 02, 2014 12:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
After the analysis, I discovered our 11th harmonics is very strong. First of all, our 11th harmonics individual charts are very significant and cohesive.

I’ll just list some archetypal aspects:

My 11th harmonics

Earth/Water Kite: Moon – Jupiter/Vertex/Cupid – Venus/NN/Vesta with focal point in Saturn/Psyche/Uranus in Cancer. The focal point of the Kite is the apex of a Yod with the “release point” in Venus/NN/Vesta.

House on the axis Sun (in Gemini) opposite Pluto, Pluto the “roof”: sextile at the base: Moon – Uranus/Psyche/Saturn; trine at the roof: Mars trine ASC/Mercury; the two squares: Moon square ASC/Mercury, Uranus/Psyche/Saturn square Mars

Amor conjunct Neptune and Alma square Venus/NN

Mars conjunct Union widely

Grand Cross Valentine-Pluto-MC-Jupiter

His 11th harmonics

Two Grand Fire Trines connected by squares:

1st: Mercury – Alma/Uranus/Pholus – MC/Saturn/Pluto/Ceres
2nd: Sun – Mars/NN/Psyche – Venus/Union
The squares: Venus square MC/Saturn/Pluto/Ceres and Mars square Uranus

Cupid conjunct POF
Alma conjunct Pholus conjunct Uranus
Venus conjunct Union opposite Moon
Valentine conjunct Juno
Sun sextile Moon


COMPARISON

Sun conjunct POF
Sun conjunct Amor
Sun conjunct IC

Moon conjunct Jupiter opposite Neptune
Moon trine ASC sextile Lilith
Moon conjunct MC trine Lilith and Valentine

Venus/NN conjunct Eros opposite Cupid/POF trine Jupiter and ASC
Venus/Union conjunct Juno/Lust
Man’s Mars/NN opposite woman Amor/Neptune trine Juno/Lust and Chiron
Valentine conjunct IC
Karma opposite Vertex
Jupiter/Vertex conjunct ASC
Pluto conjunct MC/Saturn
ASC opposite Uranus square NN – Valentine/Juno
ASC/DSC and MC/IC very close

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posted April 02, 2014 12:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
[QUOTE]Originally posted by tgem:
Looking at my 11th harmonic

tgem, I'll highlight what I think to be very significant for an 11th harmonics synastry:

The 11th harmonic between Cusp and I is pretty significant:
My sun trine his Saturn (1.5)
Opposite his VTX (0)
Square his MC/IC (0)
My moon conjunct his Pluto (1.8)

My merc opposite his moon (0)
My venus conjunct his vesta (0)
My mars opposite his venus (1.8)
Square his Uranus (0)

My jupiter trine his Pallas (0)
My Saturn conjunct his NN (0)
My Uranus square his alma (0)
Square his ASC (0)

My neptune square his mars (0)
Trine his IC (1)
My SN conjunct his moon (2)
My chiron trine his Uranus (1)
Opposite his alma (0)
Conjunct his ASC (1.5)

My VTX square his Ceres (1)
My Juno trine his MC (1.5)
My alma trine his Juno (1.5)
My ASC trine his Saturn (0)
My MC trine his VTX (1.5)
My Valentine conjunct his karma (1.5)
Trine his Cupido (1.5)
My Amor opposite his venus (0)
My union trine his union (2)
My Cupido opposite his alma (0)
Conjunct his ASC (1.5)

My eros Square his Cupido (2)
My psyche trine his vesta (0)

As far as his asteroids really quick:
His Amor conjunct my anti-VTX (1.8)
His karma opposite my sun (2)
Conjunct my Pluto (2)
Trine my DSC (1)
Conjunct my MC (0)

His union trine my mercury (0)
Trine my NN (2)
His Cupido trine my Pluto (1)
Square my VTX (1)
His eros square my Saturn (1)
Square my jupiter (2)
His psyche square my Uranus (0)
Conjunct my Chiron (0)
His ASC conjunct my Cupido (1.5)

For soulmate pairings:
In my 11th I have Siva trine Kaali @ 1.5
And Siva semi-sextile Parvati very wide at 1.5

In his 11th he has Pluto opposite Proserpina @ 2

So in 11th harmonic synastry we have:
My Siva square his Parvati (0)
My Proserpina opposite his Pluto (0)
My Isis quincunx his Osiris very wide (2.8)

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posted April 02, 2014 12:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by mir:
Most striking at first glance;

reversed nodes;

My NN 10'24 Scorp.
His NN 10'48 Taurus.

My MC 4'01 Sag.
His Venus 4'38 Sag.

His MC/IC axis overlays (within 1*)
My exact Chiron/Moon opposition
(with my Moon on his IC like ceri has with sag )


Angles jump out as you see.


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posted April 02, 2014 12:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Tulipe:
Hi Leeloo, I'm glad that I found this, and you say the 11th/Uranus/Aquarius in composite is a marker of "TF". All the stuffs I read about 11th in composite seem so impersonal, nothing profound. From what you said, I gather 'TF' doesn't have to be romantic in nature? I'm just curious, hope you don't mind my ignorance



Tulipe, for me TF is highly romantic, a final Yin-Yang meeting. It is true that 11th house is underrated, however most descriptions about planets in 11th composite or synastry point to a true companionship, soulmate, platonic,highly compatible stuff. After all, a final, absolute romance couldn't exist without a very profound "fellowship", IMO.

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posted April 02, 2014 12:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selene     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Do we count oppositions in these charts as well or just conjunctions?

In my own 11th harmonic I have:

Sun conjunct Moon 6
Sun opposite Lilith 2
Sun opposite Osiris 0
Moon opposite Chiron 2
Moon opposite Lilith 4
Venus opposite Uranus 3
Venus conjunct Pluto 5
Jupiter conjunct ASC 0
Saturn conjunct Vertex 1
Uranus opposite Pluto 2
NN conjunct Juno 5

And 11th harmonic synastry:

My Sun conjunct His Moon (but this is wide, 10 degrees, but i guess in tropical it would still give an 11th harmonic aspect within a degree)
My Sun conjunct His ASC 2
My Sun conjunct His NN (true node) 4
My Sun opposite His Jupiter 1,5
My Sun conjunct His Vertex 3

His Moon opposite My Neptune 4

My Mercury conjunct His Saturn 0

His Venus conjunct my KARMA 5 (how could that happen? We have an exact conjunction of his Venus and my Karma in normal synastry!!!)

My Venus opposite His Pluto 7
My Venus opposite His Lilith 2
His Venus conjunct My DSC 10 (almost a degree in normal synastry conjunction)

My Mars conjunct His Mars 0'20 seconds!
My Mars opposite His Uranus 6 (also exact in normal synastry)

His Jupiter conjunct my Neptune 8 (also exact in normal synastry)

My Uranus conjunct His Lilith 4

His Neptune conjunct My Juno 4

His Pluto conjunct my DSC 6

My NN (mean node) conjunct his Mars 2

My IC conjunct his Venus 4

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posted April 02, 2014 12:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for LeeLoo2014     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Well, basically you could consider an 11 degree orb for conjunctions in the 11th harmonic chart - cause that would come up as an 11th harmonic aspect in the natal or synastry chart.


Ceri,

I think these are great markers:

his Venus conjunct my DESC 2°59
his Venus conjunct my true LILITH 0°19

his Sun conjunct my IC 0°33
his Pluto conjunct my IC 0°45
his IC conjunct my Moon 0°41

so this Sun-IC, Moon-IC is really very exact


his Sun conjunct my SN 4°46
his Pluto conjunct my SN 3°28
his SN conjunct my Sun 0°05
his Uranus conjunct my SN 2°09
his Uranus conjunct my SN 4°19


his Saturn conjunct my Vertex 3°29
his Vertex conjunct my Uranus 3°34
his Vertex conjunct my Venus 4°00
his Jupiter conjunct my Avx 5°31

his Pallas conjunct my Avx 0°24
his Mars conjunct my Avx 4°48
his Mars opposite my Jupiter 1°16
his Mars opposite my Venus 5°18/b]

[b]his Juno conjunct my Juno 2°14
his NN conjunct my Neptune 4°13
his NN conjunct my NN 6°35
(it looks wide, yes, but actually means our nodal axis are in 11th harmonic aspect within just over half a degree natally)

Practically all of them
But I think you should check the asteroids, they should complete the picture with nice pairs.

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