posted April 27, 2014 12:31 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Hey LeeLoo, I saw the edit on the first page of this thread last night. According to your research, how accurate has this played out? Or is it just a theory? Did it show up strongly in several TF charts? Just wondering

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Hi, tgem, it's an ongoing research but so far, I've found significant connections (as described in the OP) with the 11th harmonics in couples (famous and personal files) who seem to have a true love/soulmate relationship. As you've probably seen from my other posts, I believe all relationships lead us eventually to our twinflame. But there are other types of 11th house relationships as well, such as a beautiful platonic friendship or working in a group for a humanitarian goal. Not all 11th house relationships are twinflame relationships.

If we are ready to be with our twinflame in this life, it will happen. Maybe the encounter will start with some pain and transformation, but if it is the twinflame, after the transformation phase occurs, the two should really get together and live a true love, if it is the real deal. And unlike other opinions here, I also believe it is never one-sided; after an initial stage when maybe one of them knows before the other, there is a quick revelation from both sides and the gathering, when the time comes, because both of them have an irresistible desire to merge with one another, sometimes with the price of leaving their previous life behind.

It is always mutual, IMO. Until this happens, if it happens, I believe we should focus on finding true love in this life, live tangible, beautiful, reciprocal relationships and leave painful relationships behind.

posted April 27, 2014 07:09 PM            

Here are Cusp's 11th harmonics:
Pluto trine alma exact
Alma opposite psyche exact
Cupido sextile psyche exact
Moon square valentine exact
SN conjunct valentine (1)
Amor quincunx Pluto (1)
Union opposite Pholus (2)
NN quincunx union (3)
* I did notice he also has 2 soulmate pairings in his 11th but very wide:
Siva conjunct Parvari in Aries (7 degrees)
Eros and psyche in Taurus (13 degree)

When comparing to the 2 11th harmonics for synastry:
His moon conjunct my SN (2)
His moon opposite my union (2)
His venus square my venus (3)
His venus sextile my karma (1)
His venus opposite my Amor exact
His venus quincunx my psyche and moon (0-1)
My venus sextile his Juno exact and Pholus (2.5)
His Juno bQ my NN (3)
His alma sextile my Pholus (1.5) and squarexm karma (2.5)
His psyche semi-sextile my VTX (1.5), trine my Pholus (2), square my karma (3) a d sextile my Pluto (2)
His Amor conjunct my Anti-VTX (2), square my Pholus (1.5) sextile my karma (2.5) and quincunx Pluto (2)
His valentine square my nodal axis (3) and opposite m Saturn (2)
His union trine my nodal axis (2) and quincunx my Saturn (3)
His Cupido conjunct my MC (3) square my VTX (1) trine my Pluto (1) and opposite my Pholus (1)
His Ceres conjunct my my ASC (2)
His moon conjunct my SN (2)

So then I went back and compared the natals to the 11th as you said it's the natal person that will activate the 11th. There's A TON of aspects (all within 3 degrees) so I'm going to list the biggies!
His natal activating my 11th:
His alma square my valentine and Pluto exact and trine my VTX exact
His psyche conjunct my sun (3.5)
His valentine trine my NN/union conjunction exact
His sun sextile my NN/union exact
His moon semi-sextile my NN/union exact
His venus in trine/sextile to ASC/DSC, MC/IC axis (1.5-2.5)
His venus opposite my sun exact
His Saturn conjunct my Juno exact
His Pholus trine/sextile my Angles (1-2) and opposite my sun
His Cupido sextile my Amor exact and opposite my karma (1)

So my natal activating his 11th:
My VTX square his NN (2.5) and opposite his Eros exact
My Juno square his alma and psyche exact and trine his Amor exact
My Pholus conjunct his union (2.5)
My alma sextile his Saturn exact and conjunct his karma exact
My moon trine his venus exact
My Saturn conjunct his NN (1.5) and opposite his valentine exact
My NN conjunct his venus (1.5) and conjunct his Amor (2)
My union sextile his Pholus exact
My Saturn conjunct his NN exact
My valentine sextile Saturn (2.5) and conjunct his Pluto (3.5)

I can't make an 11th harmonic composite but it sur would be cool to see it. Anyway just though I'd add these as I think I did it correctly this time

posted April 27, 2014 07:37 PM            

The problem with these aspects is there are many soft aspects, which should not be a problem if they are connected in regular patterns.

The rule, I think, is not to look necessarily for the closest aspects, by orb, at first. First look at the conjunctions and note them down, see if they are soulmatey. Then look at a regular pattern involving hard aspects, namely the cross. An isolated square or opposition is not enough for a strong bond in this case. Then look at regular patterns involving soft aspects: Kite, all kinds of triangles etc. They don't have to be in exact orb, they have to be connected in a pattern, creating an inescapable situation.

posted April 27, 2014 10:06 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
First of all, I've noticed again his 11th is more activated by your natal than viceversa.

The problem with these aspects is there are many soft aspects, which should not be a problem if they are connected in regular patterns.

The rule, I think, is not to look necessarily for the closest aspects, by orb, at first. First look at the conjunctions and note them down, see if they are soulmatey. Then look at a regular pattern involving hard aspects, namely the cross. An isolated square or opposition is not enough for a strong bond in this case. Then look at regular patterns involving soft aspects: Kite, all kinds of triangles etc. They don't have to be in exact orb, they have to be connected in a pattern, creating an inescapable situation.

But generally, you look at the chart and you see if it's geometrical, you see the geometry it involves and you go by it. If there's no geometry, it's unlikely for it to be a twinflame chart.

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I see ok, well here's the charts so you can see the geometry:
His:
[IMG]http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag47/tgem1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpseb81b14 0.jpg[/IMG]

Me:
[IMG]http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag47/tgem1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps708f2a4 3.jpg[/IMG]

Synastry between the harmonics:
His moon conjuncts my SN which activates a grand cross: it opposes my NN/union conjunction, squares my Saturn and squares my jupiter

His Ceres conjuncts my ASC which activates another grand cross opposing my MC and squaring my eros and VTX axis

His valentine conjuncts my jupiter which activates the grand cross between my nodal axis and Saturn

His Cupido conjuncts my MC which activates a grand cross between my ASC/Pholus conjunction and my vertex axis.

His union conjuncts my Amor that activates a grand trine with karma and my NN/union conjunction. His Saturn/psyche conjunction also conjunct my chiron/Cupido which activates another grand trine with my sun and ASC/Pholus. I think this forms a Star of David. This second grand trine involving my sun a thallus forms a kite with MC at the point. His Cupido conjuncts my MC.

My SN is conjunct his moon which activates his T square involving his valentine and NN. My jupiter conjuncts his valentine and my Saturn conjuncts his NN.

His Pluto/karma conjunction conjuncts my moon/Pluto/valentine conjunction which is the apex of a Yod also involving karma and eros.

My anti-VTX/eros conjuncts his Amor which activates a t-square involving Uranus and Cupido. My ASC/Pholus conjunction conjuncts his Uranus and MC conjuncts his Cupido.

My MC conjunct his Cupido also activates his grand trine between Pluto and alma. My moon conjuncts his Pluto as well.

My venus conjuncts his vesta which activates a t-square involving union and Pholus. My Amor conjuncts his union.

My Cupido conjuncts his psyche which is the point of a grand trine/kite involving Pluto, alma and his Cupido.

posted April 27, 2014 11:09 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
I see ok, well here's the charts so you can see the geometry:
His:
[IMG]http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag47/tgem1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zpseb81b14 0.jpg[/IMG]

Me:
[IMG]http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag47/tgem1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps708f2a4 3.jpg[/IMG]

Synastry between the harmonics:
His moon conjuncts my SN which activates a grand cross: it opposes my NN/union conjunction, squares my Saturn and squares my jupiter

His Ceres conjuncts my ASC which activates another grand cross opposing my MC and squaring my eros and VTX axis

His valentine conjuncts my jupiter which activates the grand cross between my nodal axis and Saturn

His Cupido conjuncts my MC which activates a grand cross between my ASC/Pholus conjunction and my vertex axis.

My SN is conjunct his moon which activates his T square involving his valentine and NN. My jupiter conjuncts his valentine and my Saturn conjuncts his NN.

My anti-VTX conjuncts his Amor which activates a t-square involving Uranus and Cupido. My ASC/Pholus conjunction conjuncts his Uranus and MC conjuncts his Cupido.

My SN conjunct his Cupido so activates his grand trine between Pluto and alma. My moon conjuncts his Pluto as well.

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posted April 28, 2014 07:56 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I'll study those charts and get back to you

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posted April 28, 2014 08:21 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Thanks, I appreciate it...I actually edited my above post and added some additional aspects I found.

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Hi, tgem
I haven't looked yet, but I want to ask you something: If I don't see there he is your twinflame, should I tell you? I'm asking this because I have many Neptunian friends and I know from experience they don't like me to rain on their parade, they prefer to keep the dream

Also, you should go to the Persona Charts thread and put up some synastries that should give us a "verdict":

Your natal against his Moon Persona
Your Venus Persona against his Mars Persona

and maybe:

Your natal against his Valentine Persona, to see if and how he falls in love with you

Your natal against his Amor Persona, to see if you are a great love of his life.

posted April 28, 2014 06:40 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Hi, tgem
I haven't looked yet, but I want to ask you something: If I don't see there he is your twinflame, should I tell you? I'm asking this because I have many Neptunian friends and I know from experience they don't like me to rain on their parade, they prefer to keep the dream

Also, you should go to the Persona Charts thread and put up some synastries that should give us a "verdict":

Your natal against his Moon Persona
Your Venus Persona against his Mars Persona

and maybe:

Your natal against his Valentine Persona, to see if and how he falls in love with you

Your natal against his Amor Persona, to see if you are a great love of his life.

Also, try to put the charts directly, with tinypic.

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I just saw this now that's sweet of you to ask me this...yes I would like to know your thoughts. Yes, I am very Neptunian and a romantic at heart...yes, I love the dream..but I am also very logical and I want proof. That is why I've spent months and months (like Ceri and the others investigating connections.). With mercury/Gemini being my strongest planet, I want to see the proof...not just dream it. Do you see what I mean? I would not be offended/and have not been offended at what people have told me...I have always been one to take constructive criticism. And although I'm sensitive, yes, I want the truth, the whole truth...nothing but the truth...now in pure Jack Nicholson form I know you're thinking, "You Can't Handle The Truth!!!" Yes, I can. It may not be what I want to hear..but I am strong...I can handle it.

posted April 29, 2014 01:44 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
It is always mutual, IMO. Until this happens, if it happens, I believe we should focus on finding true love in this life, live tangible, beautiful, reciprocal relationships and leave painful relationships behind.

There is a danger, which is noticeable on this forum too, of misplacing unrequited love for a twinflame relationship.

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posted April 29, 2014 06:00 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
I just saw this now that's sweet of you to ask me this...yes I would like to know your thoughts. Yes, I am very Neptunian and a romantic at heart...yes, I love the dream..but I am also very logical and I want proof. That is why I've spent months and months (like Ceri and the others investigating connections.). With mercury/Gemini being my strongest planet, I want to see the proof...not just dream it. Do you see what I mean? I would not be offended/and have not been offended at what people have told me...I have always been one to take constructive criticism. And although I'm sensitive, yes, I want the truth, the whole truth...nothing but the truth...now in pure Jack Nicholson form I know you're thinking, "You Can't Handle The Truth!!!" Yes, I can. It may not be what I want to hear..but I am strong...I can handle it.

I'll post those persona charts ASAP. Yes, regardless of what he truly turns out to be, I would REALLY appreciate your insight .

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posted April 29, 2014 07:36 AM            

In all your 11th harmonics charts, there is a clear theme of a fated encounter, a karmic meeting, the karmic connections are heavy and repetitive: the love aspects are however lacking, except for Venus opp Sun, Venus trine ASC in 11th/natal comparisons, which probbaly point to you two liking each other, but Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars are not involved in love aspects.

There is a huge number of karmic markers, especially on your triggering points: angles, vertex, NN etc. Heavy Pluto and Saturn, especially Pluto. There is a theme which is very well expressed by this configuration:

His Pluto/karma conjunction conjuncts my moon/Pluto/valentine conjunction which is the apex of a Yod also involving karma and eros.

I'll tell you more about this theme after checking the Personas, but so far it doesn't look like a twinflame union that will take place in this life.

posted April 29, 2014 08:03 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Tgem,

In all your 11th harmonics charts, there is a clear theme of a fated encounter, a karmic meeting, the karmic connections are heavy and repetitive: the love aspects are however lacking, except for Venus opp Sun, Venus trine ASC in 11th/natal comparisons, which probbaly point to you two liking each other, but Sun, Moon, Venus, Mars are not involved in love aspects.

There is a huge number of karmic markers, especially on your triggering points: angles, vertex, NN etc. Heavy Pluto and Saturn. There is a theme which is very well expressed by this configuration:

[b]His Pluto/karma conjunction conjuncts my moon/Pluto/valentine conjunction which is the apex of a Yod also involving karma and eros.

I'll tell you more about this theme after checking the Personas, but so far it doesn't look like a twinflame union that will take place in this life.

Also, I would like you to post your normal synastry with your husband, if possible, I'd like to check something.[/B]

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[IMG]http://i1298.photobucket.com/albums/ag47/tgem1/Mobile%20Uploads/image_zps55b0697 3.jpg[/IMG]

posted April 29, 2014 08:14 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Tgem, I looked back at your fist post of your synastry, at page 1, and at the ones I highlighted, they are so karmic and pointing to a life-changing event for you.

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posted April 29, 2014 04:16 PM            

His

Siva @ 3 Aqu 26
Parvati @ 6 Vir 03
Kaali @ 19 Leo 19
Rudra @ 5 Sag 59
Isis @ 19 Can 01
Osiris @ 25 Leo 53
Proserpina @ 19 Aqu 33

Mine

Siva @ 29 Pis 11
Parvati @ 21 Cap 52
Kaali @ 18 Cap 58
Rudra @ 25 Sag 51
Isis @ 5 Tau 53
Osiris @ 3 Vir 40
Proserpina @ 11 Sco 02

Our Helio Composite

Siva falls on Chiron @ 11 48'
Parvati @ 11 Can 59
Kaali @ 8 Aqu 03
Rudra @ 9 Leo 08
Osiris @ 18 Leo 44
Isis @ 28 Leo 29
Proserpina @ 8 Pis 08
Persephone @ 27 Gem 24
Eros @ 26 Cap 52
Psyche @ 28 Sag 42

There are more themes that actually fall into a pattern, but I'll just post these for now since they do have a connection to our other (synastry and composite) charts. We also have the Sun-Vesta-Parvati on Sirius in our gt-composite too.

I don't know how useful these are, but I did glean a few aspects from a quick glance at 11th/natal comparison:

Me/Him
AC conj. AC (3) and Moon (1)
NNode conj. SNode (1)
MC conj. NNode (exact)
Mars conj. SNode (2)
Amor conj. AVx (exact)
Pluto conj. Pluto (exact)

Him/Me
Sun conj. DC (<1)
Venus conj. NNode (exact)
Karma conj. SNode (exact)
Mars conj. Pluto (2)
Pluto-Lilith conj. Vertex (exact)

A few aspects gleaned from 11th synastry:

Him/Me
MC conj. AC (10), opp. Pluto (2)
Venus conj. Vertex (10)
Vertex conj. Venus (6)
NNode conj. Venus (8)
Sun conj. Saturn (10)
Moon conj. Sun (4), SNode (9), and MC (10)
Moon opp. Mars (8)
Uranus conj. Mars (6) and NNode (7)
Pluto conj. AVx (4)
Valentine conj. Venus (3)
Amor conj. Mars (2) and NNode (1)
Ceres conj. Mars (5) and NNode (4)

This list is (by far) incomplete, but I posted the charts above anyway. I'll have to come back and pick through them some more. There are more connections between the gt-Composite and our natals as well.

posted April 30, 2014 06:35 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
I'll study those charts and get back to you

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posted April 30, 2014 06:49 AM            

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Originally posted by MorpHnStorM:
I finally got around to taking a look, and found some interesting things!
Here's some of what I've found:

His

Siva @ 3 Aqu 26
Parvati @ 6 Vir 03
Kaali @ 19 Leo 19
Rudra @ 5 Sag 59
Isis @ 19 Can 01
Osiris @ 25 Leo 53
Proserpina @ 19 Aqu 33

Mine

Siva @ 29 Pis 11
Parvati @ 21 Cap 52
Kaali @ 18 Cap 58
Rudra @ 25 Sag 51
Isis @ 5 Tau 53
Osiris @ 3 Vir 40
Proserpina @ 11 Sco 02

Our Helio Composite

Siva falls on Chiron @ 11 48'
Parvati @ 11 Can 59
Kaali @ 8 Aqu 03
Rudra @ 9 Leo 08
Osiris @ 18 Leo 44
Isis @ 28 Leo 29
Proserpina @ 8 Pis 08
Persephone @ 27 Gem 24
Eros @ 26 Cap 52
Psyche @ 28 Sag 42

There are more themes that actually fall into a pattern, but I'll just post these for now since they do have a connection to our other (synastry and composite) charts. We also have the Sun-Vesta-Parvati on Sirius in our gt-composite too.

I don't know how useful these are, but I did glean a few aspects from a quick glance at 11th/natal comparison:

Me/Him
AC conj. AC (3) and Moon (1)
NNode conj. SNode (1)
MC conj. NNode (exact)
Mars conj. SNode (2)
Amor conj. AVx (exact)
Pluto conj. Pluto (exact)

Him/Me
Sun conj. DC (<1)
Venus conj. NNode (exact)
Karma conj. SNode (exact)
Mars conj. Pluto (2)
Pluto-Lilith conj. Vertex (exact)

A few aspects gleaned from 11th synastry:

Him/Me
MC conj. AC (10), opp. Pluto (2)
Venus conj. Vertex (10)
Vertex conj. Venus (6)
NNode conj. Venus (8)
Sun conj. Saturn (10)
Moon conj. Sun (4), SNode (9), and MC (10)
Moon opp. Mars (8)
Uranus conj. Mars (6) and NNode (7)
Pluto conj. AVx (4)
Valentine conj. Venus (3)
Amor conj. Mars (2) and NNode (1)
Ceres conj. Mars (5) and NNode (4)

This list is (by far) incomplete, but I posted the charts above anyway. I'll have to come back and pick through them some more. There are more connections between the gt-Composite and our natals as well.

Great thread, LeeLoo

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Morph, your charts are wonderful!
I love how in his 11th, he has a "feminine" alter ego, shown by an 8th pointed star even: Venus/Karma/MCPsyche/Pallas and SunJunoSpirit/Vesta/Alma/Moon, all feminine planets, as if him meeting his twinflame is written all over his chart.

and

in yours, you have your masculine "alter ego" written all over it: MarsNN/MC/SaturnAngel/Eros, all masculine planets

both pointing to each of you having an encounter with your soulmate in this life.

Your comparison with the natals and the 11th synastry makes me think you are twinflames!
The Helio Composite is a marvelous "blueprint" of the awakening of the soul:

the Cross between Chiron/Uranus/Moon/Vesta Alma, cardinal
perfectly interlinked with an Air/Fire Kite (ideal becoming action, air-spirit in flames) with Mercury/Spirit and Venus/Amor/Unita, with two gorgeous quincunxes like two Uranian flows supporting the beautiful symetry of the configuration. Chiron at the apex: healing and future.

posted April 30, 2014 09:45 AM            

Especially when you mention the number 11, the 11th house, Aquarius, and Uranus influences have some hand in twin flame relationships. I've shied away from this topic for a long time because it's painful for me, but I just have to share what I found.

First off, the composite of myself and the man ill be referring to has a stellium of jupiter, chiron, mercury, sun, and Venus in the 11th house. Merc, sun and Venus are opposite Uranus/Valentine in the 5th.

In my own 11h.c.
Sun 5°04 Aquarius sextile Moon 1°18 Sagittarius
Asc 0°08 cap opp Jupiter 0°46 cancer
Jupiter conjunct Venus 2°22 cancer
Pluto 17°10 conj Saturn 16°38 in Scorpio
Pluto/Saturn square Alma 18°35 Aquarius
Moon opp Union 0°38 Gemini
NN 4°17 Pisces trine Venus
Sun is the apex of a yod with Venus and Neptune at the base.
Venus is the apex of a yod with sun and moon at the base.

My 11hc to his Natal: all aspects listed less than 3°
Amor 8°48 Leo conj Sun 10°34
Saturn/Pluto conj Uranus 16°57
Saturn/Pluto square Jupiter 17°52 Leo
Saturn/Pluto sextile Union 15°24 Virgo
MC 18°24 Sagittarius conj Vertex 19°21 Sagittarius
Sun 5°04 aqua opp Venus 4°31 Leo
Sun opp Mercury 5°57 Leo
Groom 10°58 aqua opp Sun 10°34 Leo
Groom opp briede 11°45 Leo
Alma 18°35 aqua opp Jupiter 17°52 Leo
Merc 24°26 aqua trine amor 24°40 Gemini
Eros 10°06 pisces opp NN 8°48 Virgo
Briede 10°43 Pisces opp NN
Eros/briede opp Saturn 12°38 Virgo
Briede conjunct Groom 13° 23 Pisces
Chiron 17°24 Taurus trine Union 15°24 Virgo
Union 0°38 Gemini trine Valentine 0°02 Libra
Spirit 26°40 Gemini conj Mars 26°37 Gemini

His 11hc to my natal:
Chiron 2°01 Leo conj asc 2°44 Leo
Groom 27°08 Virgo opp Sun 25°00 Pisces
Groom opp Mercury 26°46 Pisces
Psyche 5°01 Libra opp Venus 8°23 Aries (a bit wide tho)
Psyche trine Valentine 4°09 aqua
Moon 25°25 Libra conj IC 23°35 Libra
Amor 1°19 Scorpio opp NN 0°23 Taurus
Amor opp briede 0°58 Taurus
Mars 22°48 Scorpio trine Sun 25°00 Pisces
Asc 13°32 Sag conj Vertex 13°20 sag
Asc opp Psyche 15°33 Gemini
Venus 19°36 Capricorn conj groom 20°05 cap
Venus conj Alma 20°47 cap
Venus conj Eros 22°44 cap (again, a bit wide)
Merc 5°29 aqua conj Valentine 4°09 aqua
NN 6°43 aqua conj Valentine
Uranus 6°26 Pisces conj Jupiter 5°31 Pisces
Sun 26°13 Pisces conj Sun 25°00 Pisces
Sun conj merc 26°46 Pisces
Briede 9°16 Aries conj Venus 8°24 Aries
Eros 23°00 Aries conj MC 23°35 Aries
Spirit 8°05 Taurus opp Pluto 7°01 Scorpio
Jupiter 16°34 Gemini opp Juno 15°35 sag
Cupid 24°29 Gemini opp Uranus 22°19 sag
Cupid opp Mars 23°37 sag
Cupid opp union 27°20 sag
Alma 4°47 cancer trine Jupiter 5°31 Pisces
Alma opp Neptune 5°40 cap

posted April 30, 2014 09:58 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Following what we've discussed on the Twinflame thread about the significance of number 11 as the twinflame number and the 11th house as a marker for twinflame relationships, I want to suggest an 11th harmonics comparison between the two charts.

I think you should also check your personal 11th harmonics chart to see if it has strong, significant aspects or patterns which might indicate a possible twinflame encounter in this life.

I'll get back with my own aspects.

[b]EDIT:

Even if twinflame relationships are said to be very rare, I think every great love we encounter is at least a “spark” of our twin.
I think 11th harmonics might be very significant.
I would look for:

- clues in the individual 11th harmonics pointing to a possible twinflame encounter: Venus, Moon, love asteroids connected in pairs, Venus on the angles/NN axis. Connection between karmic astrobodies (Saturn, Pluto, Vertex, Karma, Pholus etc.) and the said love astrobodies. (Venus, Moon, Amor, Valentine, Union, Juno, Cupid, Eros)
- significant Alma and Psyche contacts

- In the comparison:

- Sun, Moon interconnected or connected with angles and love asteroids
- Venus aspected with angles and love/karmic astrobodies
- Love astrobodies connected with angles and karmic astrobodies
- Alma and Psyche contacts
- Planets on ASC/DSC, NN/SN

After that, for the real astro-freaks , a comparison can be made between the 11th harmonics and the natal to see if that specific person activates your 11th harmonics, your “twinflame” chart. This comparison might even be more important that the 11th harmonics synastry.

The rule is: the natal chart partner is the one who activates the 11th harmonics partner. So we check if our natal planets trigger the 11th harmonics aspects of the other.

Then (since the obsession grows in time and space ) we proceed with the 11th harmonics composite, which should be the real deal. It should have significant markers with the tropical composite and the natals, and other important chart between you two.[/B]

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I must admit I have not followed the twin flame thread.
However, this is interesting, when my soulmate came I kept seeing the number 8 everywhere. One day I saw a license plate with all 8's. And in checking with my other soulmate we have lots of connections with 8th house.
However on the day my soulmate appeared the sun was conjunct my 11th house cusp with the asteroid union.

I believe he is returning soon as the past eclipse ( yesterday ) fell on my progressed 11th cusp and my progressed sun. With my natal Venus, Juno and alma. In my first house. ( Venus rules ASC) so maybe I will get to test theory. I believe he might be twin flame As angels referred to him as my breath. But will have to see.

Thanks for info. Do you believe that the 11th harmonic and possibly 8th might be activated at time of meeting ?

In thought , I do have the day, time of our first meeting though did not work that way but I would think if it was going to activate the harmonics it would have lined up that day.

posted April 30, 2014 11:45 AM            

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Originally posted by vesta:

I must admit I have not followed the twin flame thread.
However, this is interesting, when my soulmate came I kept seeing the number 8 everywhere. One day I saw a license plate with all 8's. And in checking with my other soulmate we have lots of connections with 8th house.
However on the day my soulmate appeared the sun was conjunct my 11th house cusp with the asteroid union.

I believe he is returning soon as the past eclipse ( yesterday ) fell on my progressed 11th cusp and my progressed sun. With my natal Venus, Juno and alma. In my first house. ( Venus rules ASC) so maybe I will get to test theory. I believe he might be twin flame As angels referred to him as my breath. But will have to see.

Thanks for info. Do you believe that the 11th harmonic and possibly 8th might be activated at time of meeting ?

In thought , I do have the day, time of our first meeting though did not work that way but I would think if it was going to activate the harmonics it would have lined up that day.

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Interesting. I actually think there is a connection between 11 and 8 in terms of twinflames. Check page 10 for references to 8 as the cosmic wedding materialized in the earthly plane. I believe 11 is the soul, spiritual connection and the 8 brings the wedding on earth. 8 a higher octave of 11 in the material plane, 11 a higher octave of 8 in the astral realms, both connected to the lemniscate. 11 is like a gate, actually. It looks like a gate. And both numbers have two elements symmetrically connected. 8 plus 11 equals 1, unity.

posted April 30, 2014 12:03 PM            

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Originally posted by LionFish:
Sorry for the length of this in advance.
I probably shouldn't have looked into this any further than reading your o.p. and then backing right out of this thread, but I just can't help myself...

Especially when you mention the number 11, the 11th house, Aquarius, and Uranus influences have some hand in twin flame relationships. I've shied away from this topic for a long time because it's painful for me, but I just have to share what I found.

First off, the composite of myself and the man ill be referring to has a stellium of jupiter, chiron, mercury, sun, and Venus in the 11th house. Merc, sun and Venus are opposite Uranus/Valentine in the 5th.

In my own 11h.c.
Sun 5°04 Aquarius sextile Moon 1°18 Sagittarius
Asc 0°08 cap opp Jupiter 0°46 cancer
Jupiter conjunct Venus 2°22 cancer
Pluto 17°10 conj Saturn 16°38 in Scorpio
Pluto/Saturn square Alma 18°35 Aquarius
Moon opp Union 0°38 Gemini
NN 4°17 Pisces trine Venus
Sun is the apex of a yod with Venus and Neptune at the base.
Venus is the apex of a yod with sun and moon at the base.

My 11hc to his Natal: all aspects listed less than 3°
Amor 8°48 Leo conj Sun 10°34
Saturn/Pluto conj Uranus 16°57
Saturn/Pluto square Jupiter 17°52 Leo
Saturn/Pluto sextile Union 15°24 Virgo
MC 18°24 Sagittarius conj Vertex 19°21 Sagittarius
Sun 5°04 aqua opp Venus 4°31 Leo
Sun opp Mercury 5°57 Leo
Groom 10°58 aqua opp Sun 10°34 Leo
Groom opp briede 11°45 Leo
Alma 18°35 aqua opp Jupiter 17°52 Leo
Merc 24°26 aqua trine amor 24°40 Gemini
Eros 10°06 pisces opp NN 8°48 Virgo
Briede 10°43 Pisces opp NN
Eros/briede opp Saturn 12°38 Virgo
Briede conjunct Groom 13° 23 Pisces
Chiron 17°24 Taurus trine Union 15°24 Virgo
Union 0°38 Gemini trine Valentine 0°02 Libra
Spirit 26°40 Gemini conj Mars 26°37 Gemini

His 11hc to my natal:
Chiron 2°01 Leo conj asc 2°44 Leo
Groom 27°08 Virgo opp Sun 25°00 Pisces
Groom opp Mercury 26°46 Pisces
Psyche 5°01 Libra opp Venus 8°23 Aries (a bit wide tho)
Psyche trine Valentine 4°09 aqua
Moon 25°25 Libra conj IC 23°35 Libra
Amor 1°19 Scorpio opp NN 0°23 Taurus
Amor opp briede 0°58 Taurus
Mars 22°48 Scorpio trine Sun 25°00 Pisces
Asc 13°32 Sag conj Vertex 13°20 sag
Asc opp Psyche 15°33 Gemini
Venus 19°36 Capricorn conj groom 20°05 cap
Venus conj Alma 20°47 cap
Venus conj Eros 22°44 cap (again, a bit wide)
Merc 5°29 aqua conj Valentine 4°09 aqua
NN 6°43 aqua conj Valentine
Uranus 6°26 Pisces conj Jupiter 5°31 Pisces
Sun 26°13 Pisces conj Sun 25°00 Pisces
Sun conj merc 26°46 Pisces
Briede 9°16 Aries conj Venus 8°24 Aries
Eros 23°00 Aries conj MC 23°35 Aries
Spirit 8°05 Taurus opp Pluto 7°01 Scorpio
Jupiter 16°34 Gemini opp Juno 15°35 sag
Cupid 24°29 Gemini opp Uranus 22°19 sag
Cupid opp Mars 23°37 sag
Cupid opp union 27°20 sag
Alma 4°47 cancer trine Jupiter 5°31 Pisces
Alma opp Neptune 5°40 cap

I'm still not sure what his purpose was in my life except to leave me with a gaping wound where my heart should have been when he left...

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I like your interlinked Yods in your 11th, they point to a meeting in relation to finding your twinflame. Venus/Neptune/Sun/Moon - integration of anima/animus, of love/higher love.

posted April 30, 2014 02:19 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Interesting. I actually think there is a connection between 11 and 8 in terms of twinflames. Check page 10 for references to 8 as the cosmic wedding materialized in the earthly plane. I believe 11 is the soul, spiritual connection and the 8 brings the wedding on earth. 8 a higher octave of 11 in the material plane, 11 a higher octave of 8 in the astral realms, both connected to the lemniscate. 11 is like a gate, actually. It looks like a gate. And both numbers have two elements symmetrically connected. 8 plus 11 equals 1, unity.

I think you should compare your 11th harmonics against his natal and viceversa, to see if you have twinflame connections, also do a synastry between your 11th harmonics.

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posted April 30, 2014 02:32 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
What about the connection between 8 and 22? Could that still be interpreted as 8 and 11?

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posted April 30, 2014 02:48 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Interesting. I actually think there is a connection between 11 and 8 in terms of twinflames. Check page 10 for references to 8 as the cosmic wedding materialized in the earthly plane. I believe 11 is the soul, spiritual connection and the 8 brings the wedding on earth. 8 a higher octave of 11 in the material plane, 11 a higher octave of 8 in the astral realms, both connected to the lemniscate. 11 is like a gate, actually. It looks like a gate. And both numbers have two elements symmetrically connected. 8 plus 11 equals 1, unity.

I think you should compare your 11th harmonics against his natal and viceversa, to see if you have twinflame connections, also do a synastry between your 11th harmonics.

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I wish I had his chart right now

Soon ! But I have been getting ideas.
I think he is a Capricorn sun, virgo ASC.
I asked what he looked like and for some reason Adam Sandler came to mind. I asked my daughter because she saw him in her dream and she said Adam without me even saying anything. But my guy has blue eyes.
I have tried to find a picture of someone close to no avail.