posted April 02, 2014 12:29 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Following what we've discussed on the Twinflame thread about the significance of number 11 as the twinflame number and the 11th house as a marker for twinflame relationships, I want to suggest an 11th harmonics comparison between the two charts.

I think you should also check your personal 11th harmonics chart to see if it has strong, significant aspects or patterns which might indicate a possible twinflame encounter in this life.

I'll get back with my own aspects.

[b]EDIT:

Even if twinflame relationships are said to be very rare, I think every great love we encounter is at least a “spark” of our twin.
I think 11th harmonics might be very significant.
I would look for:

- clues in the individual 11th harmonics pointing to a possible twinflame encounter: Venus, Moon, love asteroids connected in pairs, Venus on the angles/NN axis. Connection between karmic astrobodies (Saturn, Pluto, Vertex, Karma, Pholus etc.) and the said love astrobodies. (Venus, Moon, Amor, Valentine, Union, Juno, Cupid, Eros)
- significant Alma and Psyche contacts

- In the comparison:

- Sun, Moon interconnected or connected with angles and love asteroids
- Venus aspected with angles and love/karmic astrobodies
- Love astrobodies connected with angles and karmic astrobodies
- Alma and Psyche contacts
- Planets on ASC/DSC, NN/SN

After that, for the real astro-freaks , a comparison can be made between the 11th harmonics and the natal to see if that specific person activates your 11th harmonics, your “twinflame” chart. This comparison might even be more important that the 11th harmonics synastry.

The rule is: the natal chart partner is the one who activates the 11th harmonics partner. So we check if our natal planets trigger the 11th harmonics aspects of the other.

Then (since the obsession grows in time and space ) we proceed with the 11th harmonics composite, which should be the real deal. It should have significant markers with the tropical composite and the natals, and other important chart between you two.[/B]

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posted April 02, 2014 12:33 PM            

His 11th, my natal

Sun conjunct MC 2
Moon opposite Pluto 2
Venus conjunct Mercury 2
Mars opposite Uranus 0
Saturn conjunct Vertex 0
Pluto conjunct ASC 3
Chiron conjunct Saturn 0
His Pluto conjunct my Sun/Moon MP

My 11th, his natal

posted April 02, 2014 12:35 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Tulipe, for me TF is highly romantic, a final Yin-Yang meeting. It is true that 11th house is underrated, however most descriptions about planets in 11th composite or synastry point to a true companionship, soulmate, platonic,highly compatible stuff. After all, a final, absolute romance couldn't exist without a very proi found "fellowship", IMO.

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I soooo agree with this statement! Regardless of whether Cusp and I come together in a romantic sense (although with Aphrodite trine Atropos in our composite it seems like it might end up being the case) we had an extremely close/intimate friendship first and foremost!

posted April 02, 2014 12:44 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Aww, thx LeeLoo. Yes, I am also surprised how many exact aspects we had (meaning @ 0 degrees.) And so many of them under 2 degrees.

In our tropical composite our 11th house is ruled by the sun which sits in our composite 7th house Pisces conjunct Kaali.

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Tgem and Gabby, I did my 11th harmonics composite manually (calculating the planets and asteroids midpoints, it's not that hard)

This is what I've found:

11C Sun 21 deg. Pisces conjunct his natal Sun opposite my natal Sun

11C Moon 7 deg. Aries on a key point (opposite our natal Pluto sextile his Mars and Venus trine my Neptune quincunx my Venus etc.)

11C ASC 26 deg. Scoprio conjunct our composite ASC/Venus conjunction

11C MC 19 deg. Capricorn - my natal ASC 19 deg. Capricorn

11C Venus conjunct Neptune and Karma, all at 2 deg. Scorpio opposite composite Karma

11C Mars conjunct my natal Saturn sitting on my DSC

11C Saturn 21 deg. Virgo conjunct my natal Sun opposite his natal Sun

11C Uranus 21 deg. cancer trine composite ASC/Venus

11C NN 1 deg. Pisces conjunct Composite Juno/Jupiter on IC square 11 Vertex 1 deg. Sagittarius (conjunct Pluto)

11C Psyche 0 deg. Gemini (I like this one - conjunct composite Cupid (1 deg. Gemini) on Vertex/NN axis

11C Amor/Valentine 14/18 deg. Leo conjunct my natal Moon/Lilith axis square his natal Moon and square his natal Amor in Taurus

11C Union 11 deg. Virgo exactly conjunct composite Union (11 deg.) near MC.

11C Juno 27 deg. Virgo - composite Alma 27 deg. Pisces

11C Juno conjunct my natal Union exactly conjunct his ASC

posted April 02, 2014 12:55 PM            

Absolutely, especially since oppositions are relational.

And 11th harmonic synastry:

My Sun conjunct His Moon (but this is wide, 10 degrees, but i guess in tropical it would still give an 11th harmonic aspect within a degree)
My Sun conjunct His ASC 2
My Sun conjunct His NN (true node) 4
My Sun opposite His Jupiter 1,5
My Sun conjunct His Vertex 3

His Moon opposite My Neptune 4

My Mercury conjunct His Saturn 0

His Venus conjunct my KARMA 5 (how could that happen? We have an exact conjunction of his Venus and my Karma in normal synastry!!!)

My Venus opposite His Pluto 7
My Venus opposite His Lilith 2
His Venus conjunct My DSC 10 (almost a degree in normal synastry conjunction)

My Mars conjunct His Mars 0'20 seconds!
My Mars opposite His Uranus 6 (also exact in normal synastry)

His Jupiter conjunct my Neptune 8 (also exact in normal synastry)

My Uranus conjunct His Lilith 4

His Neptune conjunct My Juno 4

His Pluto conjunct my DSC 6

My NN (mean node) conjunct his Mars 2

My IC conjunct his Venus 4

These are great, IMO. You should check the asteroids too, they should fit in.

posted April 02, 2014 12:59 PM            

11C Sun opposite my natal Pluto 2
11C Moon conjunct my 11 Sun, conjunct his 11 ASC 0
11C Mercury conjunct his natal DSC, his natal Jupiter, my natal Neptune, our tropical composite Sun 0
11C Venus conjunct our tropical composite Uranus 0
11C Mars opposite my natal Uranus 0
11C Jupiter conjunct his natal DSC, his natal Jupiter, my natal Neptune, our tropical composite Sun 0
11C Saturn opposite my natal Jupiter 1, opposite my natal Moon 2, conjunct our tropical composite DSC 1
11C Uranus conjunct his natal Pluto 1
11C Vertex opposite his natal Venus 0
11C ASC opposite my natal Venus 0

posted April 02, 2014 01:17 PM            

In Cusp's 11th harmonic he has:
A grand trine between pluto, alma and Cupido
A t-square between his SN/valentine conjunction, NN and Eros
Chiron square Juno/sun conjunction
Psyche sextile Cupido
Alma opposite psyche/ASC conjunction

posted April 02, 2014 01:18 PM            

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Originally posted by Selene:
Composite was a bit hard to do, but at least i tried. LOL

11C Sun opposite my natal Pluto 2
11C Moon conjunct my 11 Sun, conjunct his 11 ASC 0
11C Mercury conjunct his natal DSC, his natal Jupiter, my natal Neptune, our tropical composite Sun 0
11C Venus conjunct our tropical composite Uranus 0
11C Mars opposite my natal Uranus 0
11C Jupiter conjunct his natal DSC, his natal Jupiter, my natal Neptune, our tropical composite Sun 0
11C Saturn opposite my natal Jupiter 1, opposite my natal Moon 2, conjunct our tropical composite DSC 1
11C Uranus conjunct his natal Pluto 1
11C Vertex opposite his natal Venus 0
11C ASC opposite my natal Venus 0

WOW.

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Wow, Selene, especially these...

posted April 02, 2014 01:37 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Ok LeeLoo here's my 11th harmonic aspects that you mentioned would be significant:
I have a big fat grand cross between my vertex, Eros, MC and ASC
I have a mercury, NN, Union conjunction
Pluto/valentine conjunction trine my MC
A moon, Vesta, Psyche conjunction all opposite Alma
Cupido conjunct Chiron @ 6 min.
Venus trine psyche and sextile Alma

In Cusp's 11th harmonic he has:
A grand trine between pluto, alma and Cupido
A t-square between his SN/valentine conjunction, NN and Eros
Chiron square Juno/sun conjunction
Psyche sextile Cupido
Alma opposite psyche/ASC conjunction

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All these aspects are so soulmate/twinflame, IMO! Especially if both of you have major patterns in your individual 11th harmonics.

It's amazing from all your examples how all these soul-romantic markers connect in the 11th.

posted April 02, 2014 02:00 PM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Tulipe, for me TF is highly romantic, a final Yin-Yang meeting. It is true that 11th house is underrated, however most descriptions about planets in 11th composite or synastry point to a true companionship, soulmate, platonic,highly compatible stuff. After all, a final, absolute romance couldn't exist without a very profound "fellowship", IMO.

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posted April 02, 2014 03:50 PM            

His natal to my 11th:
His mars conjunct my 11th ASC/IC and DSC/MC conjunction
His IC conjunct my 11th moon
His Saturn conjunct my 11th Juno
His eros/ASC conjunction conjunct my 11th mercury
His venus conjunct my 11th Pluto and opposite my 11th sun
His jupiter opposite my 11th mercury
His Saturn opposite my 11th neptune

posted April 02, 2014 04:31 PM            

Me:
Moon square Venus exact

Him:
Moon (conj. Chiron) sextile Venus exact

me:
Venus sextile Juno (1)

him:
Mars trine Juno (2)

me:
Saturn trine Juno exact

him:
Saturn conjunct Union exact

me:
Psyche opposite Amor

him:
Alma conjunct Amor

me:
ASC conjunct Parvati (2)

him:
ASC square Siva (2)

me:
SIVA trine PARVATI exact

him:
RUDRA opposite PARVATI (1)

me:
Venus trine Pluto

him:
Sun conjunct Pluto

me:
Neptune conjunct nN

him:
Neptune trine NN exact

Additionally we have these:

Me:
PHOLUS conjunct VESTA exact (on Sirius) and sextile the Sun-Uranus-trine exact

(PSYCHE conjunct APHRODITE) opposite (AMOR conjunct EROS)

Also my 11th Psyche ocupies the same position as in my natal. lol

him:
VESTA conjunct VALENTINE and trine EROS

(KARMA conjunct JUNO ) trine PSYCHE

What do you say?
Do you also have such parallels between your charts? (thematically at least)

Additionally I have these soulmate pairings only in my 11th harmnonic chart (without taking his in consideration)

Jupiter loosely sextile JUNO (3°18)

SIVA trine PARVATI (41 minutes)

PSYCHE opposite AMOR (56 minutes

posted April 02, 2014 04:53 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I compared our respective 11th harmonic charts to each other (not done the syn. links yet) and I noticed some interesting parallels.

Me:
Moon square Venus exact

Him:
Moon (conj. Chiron) sextile Venus exact

me:
Venus sextile Juno (1)

him:
Mars trine Juno (2)

me:
Saturn trine Juno exact

him:
Saturn conjunct Union exact

me:
Psyche opposite Amor

him:
Alma conjunct Amor

me:
ASC conjunct Parvati (2)

him:
ASC square Siva (2)

me:
SIVA trine PARVATI exact

him:
RUDRA opposite PARVATI (1)

me:
Venus trine Pluto

him:
Sun conjunct Pluto

me:
Neptune conjunct nN

him:
Neptune trine NN exact

Additionally we have these:

Me:
PHOLUS conjunct VESTA exact (on Sirius) and sextile the Sun-Uranus-trine exact

(PSYCHE conjunct APHRODITE) opposite (AMOR conjunct EROS)

Also my 11th Psyche ocupies the same position as in my natal. lol

him:
VESTA conjunct VALENTINE and trine EROS

(KARMA conjunct JUNO ) trine PSYCHE

What do you say?
Do you also have such parallels between your charts? (thematically at least)

Additionally I have these soulmate pairings only in my 11th harmnonic chart (without taking his in consideration)

Jupiter loosely sextile JUNO (3°18)

SIVA trine PARVATI (41 minutes)

PSYCHE opposite AMOR (56 minutes

PSYCHE loosely opposite EROS (3°26)

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Interesting, Ceri, I haven't checked this thematic pairs in DW, I'll do it, thanks for the idea. It's as if each soul has a certain flavor that is mirrored by the other's soul.

posted April 02, 2014 04:58 PM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
SO...
My natal to his 11th harmonic:
My sun, Eros, Kaali anti-vertex conjunction conjunct his 11th Eros
My chiron conjunct his 11th ASC and psyche
My venus opposite his 11th MC
My mercury opposite his 11th jupiter and Pallas
My mars conjunct his 11th NN
My ASC conjunct his 11th vesta
My jupiter opposite his 11th Uranus
My NN conjunct his 11th venus and amor
My MC conjunct his 11th Pluto
My psyche conjunct his 11th mars
My alma conjunct his 11th vertex
My valentine conjunct his 11th Cupido
My union conjunct his 11th moon

His natal to my 11th:
His mars conjunct my 11th ASC/IC and DSC/MC conjunction
His IC conjunct my 11th moon
His Saturn conjunct my 11th Juno
His eros/ASC conjunction conjunct my 11th mercury
His venus conjunct my 11th Pluto
His jupiter opposite my 11th mercury
His Saturn opposite my 11th neptune

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Apparently you activate him a lot, tgem.

posted April 02, 2014 05:02 PM            

yes, I suppose you are right.

I also started by looking for Grand trines (most easy to spot for me. lol) and noticed that while we do not have that many natally (well I have one. lol), we do COMPLETE several Grand trines for each other.

The one Grand trine I have in my 11th harmonic is this:

ASC 17 Libra
PARVATI 15 Libra

ALMA 14 Gemini

SIVA 14 Aquarius

And he connects to it as well

Moon-Chiron 15 Gemini
CERES 17 Gemini

posted April 02, 2014 05:33 PM            

(1)
his ASC 5 Aqua
his ALMA 6 Aqua

his MC 8 Gemini

my ISIS 4 Libra

(2)
his PSYCHE 7 Pisces

his KARMA 6 Scorpio
his JUNO 4 Scorpio
my JUNO 6 Scorpio

my Saturn 6 Cancer

(3)
his Mars 2 Pisces

his JUNO 4 Scorpio

my VALENTINE 2 Cancer

(4)
his Neptune 15 Pisces

his NN 15 SCorpio
his Mercury 13 Scorpio

my PHOLUS 14 Cancer
my VESTA 15 Cancer

(5)
his ISIS 14 Taurus
his Uraus 17 Taurus
my Sun 15 Taurus

his PHOLUS 13 Cap

his APHRODITE 17 Virgo
my Uranus 15 Virgo

(6)
my CUPIDO 9 Cancer

my CHIRON 10 Scorpio

his PSYCHE 7 Pisces

as for direct soulmate pairings there are

my SIVA trine his KAALI (6 minutes)

my PERSEPHONE sextile his Pluto (1°06)

my CUPIDO trine his PSYCHE (1°37)

posted April 02, 2014 06:05 PM            

Me/Him

Sun trine Mars/Sun trine Venus

Moon trine Venus/Sun trine Venus

Moon square Mercury/Sun square Mercury

Moon sextile Uranus/Sun quincunx Uranus

Venus opposite Uranus/Mars square Uranus

Venus opposite Saturn/Mars sesquisquare Saturn

And the one that I love the most:

I have Union conjunct Mars, he has Union conjunct Venus

It's the same energy manifested in the feminine vs. the masculine! I love it!

We also have similar pairs:

Venus trine Moon/Venus opposite Moon
Venus square Mars/Venus trine Mars
Sun trine Neptune/Sun semisquare Neptune
Sun trine Mars and Venus square Neptune both ways etc.

But those Yin Yang pairs were such a surprise!

Your Grand Trines involve, again, Psyche (there must be something to that) and Juno and, again, Vesta

You should make a drawing, a mandala with them

posted April 03, 2014 07:31 AM            

As for Psyche, interestingly his 11th harmonic PSYCHE is exactly on the degree where both our Psyches (they are closely conjunct) had progressed to, when we met (and hence pr composite Psyche being there), and were conjunct his natal EROS.

his 11th harmonic Mars is on 2 Pisces, and when we met his pr Venus was within a degree of 2 Pisces as well. lol

posted April 03, 2014 07:33 AM            

His n ALMA on 3 Cancer conjuncts my 11th VALENTINE on 2 Cancer

my n ALMA on 6 Aries conjuncts his 11th VALENTINE on 5 Aries. lol

posted April 03, 2014 07:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
BTW we have an interesting DW between 11th harmonic and natal.

His n ALMA on 3 Cancer conjuncts my 11th VALENTINE on 2 Cancer

my n ALMA on 6 Aries conjuncts his 11th VALENTINE on 5 Aries. lol

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posted April 03, 2014 07:57 AM            

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Originally posted by tgem:
Ceri's great isn't she??? So incredibly knowledgeable..., would you count squares too when looking at the 11th harmonic? Or are we considering only conjunctions and oppositions?also I've picked up on Ceri's 3 degree orb rule (especially in regard to asteroids). But let's say my natal sun is conjunct his 11th moon but wide at 7 degrees? Given the fact that we're talking about
1. A conjunction
2. 2 luminaries
3. Planets and not asteroids

Would a 7 degree conjunction still apply or is that too wide to activate a 11th harmonic chart?

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Ceri is the best!

Absolutely. All exact and significant aspects. But I usually look, in this order, at: (and I do this for all relational charts)

1. patterns (regular geometric patterns)
2. conjunctions - obligatory signs of "union"
3. hard aspects. Especially crosses. Crosses are very important in my opinion; they represent a) the inescapable b) manifestation of matter, thus something becoming tangible
4. all the other significant aspects, they vary from chart to chart (for example some charts may have a quintile or semisquare theme)

posted April 03, 2014 09:41 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Interesting, Ceri, I haven't checked this thematic pairs in DW, I'll do it, thanks for the idea. It's as if each soul has a certain flavor that is mirrored by the other's soul.

I love those Psyche aspects you found...speaking of souls

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As far as the yin/yang pairings go we have 3 DW's when comparing natals to 11th harmonics:

His Juno square my 11th jupiter
My jupiter sextile his 11th Juno

His Siva square my 11th Parvati
His Parvati square my 11th Siva

My Isis square his 11th Osiris
My Osiris square his 11th Isis

My Siva also squares his 11th Kaali
His Proserpina quintiles my 11th Pluto

When I added in the squares when comparing natal to harmonics my natal activated like 19 more of his 11th aspects!

posted April 03, 2014 09:52 AM            

just hope your praise is not gettting to my head.
But thena gain I am a Sag with Sun on GC in 1st house - there probably is a megalomanic streak hidden somewhere in me. lol

"1. patterns (regular geometric patterns)
2. conjunctions - obligatory signs of "union""
def. agreed; I recently have come to focus more on symmetric harmonic patterns though 8from the same harmonic family).

"3. hard aspects. Especially crosses. Crosses are very important in my opinion; they represent a) the inescapable b) manifestation of matter, thus something becoming tangible"
Yes, I think so too. Good thought.
I love the flow of Grand trines, but they can be a bit to easy-breezy at times.
Unless they are really tight (2 degree orbs usually) and coming with a midpoint pattern.

"Actually, I think an 11 orb is allowed in the 11th harmonics because it corresponds to 1 deg. in natal. "
Yes, WITHIN the 11th harmonic chart. Conjunction within 11 degrees in the 11th harmonic chart, are just another way to depict the 11th harmonic aspect that is present in the natal (33,xx degrees) within one degree orb.

However that is not true for the cross aspects from natal to 11th harmonic.

Actually a harmonic astrologer wouldn´t do that, as it is mixing of apples and oranges, 1st with 11th harmonic, and the positions that we see are not actual planetary positions but this is getting too theoretical now.

What we are really doing here, and the Vedic did that for centuries,t oo, is treating the harmonic chart as if it was a symbolical chart. But if we do that the rule of 11 degree as an orb of course is not valid anymore.

Two different ways to work with harmonic charts.