posted August 15, 2014 09:32 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Would I be as faithful as I think I'd be or am I deluding myself?

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WOW Cappy! You're like the epitome of faithfulness. You even have a fixed cross with those. Hestia and Vesta united. Emotionally more than faithful. Penelope on antivertex is very interesting. You might meet a "Penelope" character, like a mentor.

You are our Queen of Loyalty!

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posted August 15, 2014 09:57 AM            

Saturn conjunct MC exact, conjunct SN, square ASC/DSC and Sun trine Mercury and Uranus. Saturn an intercepted planet ruling the 4th. Strong Saturn, but this is a configuration for someone who has to overcome a restrictive situation in the 1st part of life and acknowledge his Saturn not as a blockage, but as a strength.

Mars in Gem 9th, part of Kite with Venus and Pluto, opp Neptune (Kite apex). Not a traditionally "faithful" Mars, but involved in a harmonious config and in the 9th, which can become devoted to a life phylosophy/dream/goal, along with a positively integrated Mars opp Neptune. A negatively integrated Mars opp Neptune could make someone a total ****

Fixed placements: Venus Juno Mercury Eros Moon

Juno in Aqua 5th conjunct Ceres and Venus in fixed cross with Amor in Taurus Moon in Scorpio and Priapus in Leo. Trine Vesta. An intense, nurturing partner who doesn't commit unless he's in love and intensly involved.

Vesta in Libra 1st, oposite Chiron. Trine Juno/Ceres sextile Fides (conjunct Neptune, similar to my placement). Semisextile Moon. Vesta in 1st makes one a generally devoted person. Opposite Chiron; pain and healing are indicated in connection to everything Vesta means.

Fiducia conjunct Uranus on 2nd cusp, part of a Kite with Saturn and Mercury/Jupiter. Not bad, Uranus is the 5th ruler. Opposite Ulysses conjunct Odysseus on the 8th cusp, in Aries. Square Lilith Psyche and Pallas in Cap. I think this Ulysses/Odysseus conjunction in Aries could show someone is into adventures/perhaps travel. But the conjunction being on 8th cups is nice, points to sexual commitment. EDIT: His Ulysses Odysseus conjunction actually makes a Star of David! It trines Union and NN/IC and sextiles Saturn/MC and Mercury (ASC/MC ruler). The 6th leg is the opposition to Uranus/Fiducia.

I wonder how that square could play out? Is it temptation? EDIT: actually, I discovered it's a T/square and it's closed by my DSC/Cupido so whatever temptation he needs, it will be ON ME!

Hestia conjunct Alma in Pisces 6th sextile Amor.

Penelope in Virgo 12th opposite Sun (1) trine Lilith/Psyche, wide sextile with Moon (4). Faithful to a spiritual, Lilith woman and when passion is involved. Still, a strong placement, connected to the Sun and in the secondary 7th, the house of his Sun and in Virgo: devotion.

What do you think? Is he faithful or not?

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posted August 15, 2014 10:04 AM            

Great thread, Leeloo.

Saturn / Vesta DW - my Vesta in Sco, 2nd
Vesta / Psyche DW
Pluto square Juno DW
My Juno at his Sun/Moon Mid pt.

Also, a loyalty biggie - particularly relevant as we are were distant:

Penelope conjunct Sun (0) DW

My Ulysses -30 Libra
My Sun - 1.35 Sco
His Asc - 1.37 Sco
His Penelope - 1.50 Sco
My Odysseus - 3 Sco

His Sun - 17.35 Leo
My Penelope - 18.50 Leo

Also many soft aspects with Ulysses/ Odysseus to LAs.
His Hestia conjunct his Odysseus square my Hestia.

posted August 15, 2014 10:05 AM            

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What do you think? Is he faithful or not?

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If he's not, I'm gonna go there and practise archery on him This Gemini Mars opposite Neptune is a little worrying but let's hope it'll manifest itself positively.

posted August 15, 2014 10:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Blind writer:
For my natal placements - the most significant are these. Included only conjunctions and oppositions. Trines feel too weak for me in natals, considering the subject matter.

VESTA conj VX 2°
JUNO conj PLUTO 1°
ODYSSEUS conj SUN 1°
HESTIA conj VENUS 0°
HESTIA opp CHIRON 3°
FIDES opp NEPTUNE 2°
FIDUCIA opp VENUS 1°
FIDUCIA opp HESTIA 2°

On synastry with KD, someone I'm still stuck on for 18 years, and running. Major aspects only.

my MOON squ JUNO 2°
my MOON trine FIDUCIA 1°
my MOON squ PENELOPE 1°
my MERCURY conj ODYSSEUS 0°
[b]my VENUS opp VESTA 4° (DW)
my MARS trine VESTA 1°
my URANUS conj ODYSSEUS 1°
my NEPTUNE squ HESTIA 2°
my PLUTO squ JUNO 3° (DW)
my CHIRON trine PENELOPE 3°
my VX trine VESTA 1°
my JUNO conj PLUTO 0° (DW)
my JUNO squ JUNO 2°
my JUNO trine FIDUCIA 3°
my VESTA opp VENUS 2° (DW)
my VESTA conj JUPITER 3°
my VESTA trine CHIRON 3°
my VESTA trine VESTA 0°
my FIDES opp NEPTUNE 2°
my FIDES trine PLUTO 2°
my FIDES trine FIDUCIA 0°
my FIDUCIA trine JUPITER 0°
my FIDUCIA conj CHIRON 0°
my FIDUCIA conj VESTA 2°
my PENELOPE opp SATURN 0°
my PENELOPE trine URANUS 2°
my PENELOPE trine ODYSSEUS 1°
my HESTIA trine VENUS 2°
my HESTIA opp CHIRON 2°
my ULYSSES squ NN/SN 1°
my ULYSSES squ FIDES 0°
my ODYSSEUS squ VENUS 0°
my ODYSSEUS squ JUPITER 0°
my ODYSSEUS opp VX 2°

The big hitters for me are, of course, VESTA and JUNO.[/B]

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I think you may be a faithful one. Vesta on Vx shows some lessons connected to Vesta will happen in this life.

I like your Vesta connections with the guy also your Penelope aspects to him. What do his Saturn and Uranus rule? What about the composite?

posted August 15, 2014 10:11 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:

If he's not, I'm gonna go there and practise archery on him This Gemini Mars opposite Neptune is a little worrying but let's hope it'll manifest itself positively.

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Yes, well, at least it's not loose, it makes a nice Kite with Venus and Pluto and my Venus totally catches this Mars in a Cross and Kite.

I think it's also a good thing that his Neptune is his DSC ruler, it means the energy of this Mars and the whole Kite could be directed towards a partner.

His sidereal and draconic placements are:

sidereal: Venus in Cap Mars in Taurus Pluto and ASC in Virgo

draconic: Venus in Taurus Mars in Virgo Pluto and ASC in Cap

Not that I complain about a Gem Mars, it's the Mars I need according to my natal chart.

BTW, Cappy, my sidereal ASC is in Sag, remember you said I look like a Sag?

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posted August 15, 2014 10:19 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Phew! Thanks for confirming my theory

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posted August 15, 2014 10:20 AM            

I have a pretty strong loyalty theme in my natal. First off, my Vesta is the first body in my chart. It's a matter of personal opinion with astrologers, but I think order of planets/bodies in a chart is important.

For the other big one, Juno is retro in H12 in Virgo. Conjunct Osiris and Adonis, I think, but no contact with anything major in my chart but a sextile with Saturn, Vesta being on the midpoint.

Penelope is opposite Pluto, about 30 seconds orb. Ulysses is conjunct Venus, about 1°30' orb. Hestia is conjunct Moon, about 30' orb.

And it's true, I'm fiercely/annoyingly loyal.

posted August 15, 2014 10:22 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

I think Mars should also be analyzed and how it connects to loyalty markers, for sexual fidelity.

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That´s a good idea.

His Mars is in Virgo in 6th house but conjunct Jupiter-
Now Jupiter-aspects (dynamic) might under certain circumstances be a little difficult in terms of faithfulness. The reason for that is that Jupiter just never gets "enough" and wants to expand, expand, expand.
However here it is in Virgo. So maybe he wants a lot of sex, but within a "controlled environement", possibly not a cheater, but someone with a little bit of an "appetite", in reasonable measure of course.

His Mars-Jupiter also conjuncts his AMOR and opposes his EROS, squaring his 7th house ruler Mercury in Sagittarius.

As for the other markers, his Mars isn`t really aspecting any of those.

I would check the 5th house ruler as well, and here we have Moon as 5th house ruler:

- in Sagittarius in 10th house
- conjunct Sun, r6
- square Saturn on DESC, r11

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- conjunct PENELOPE on the first degree of Capricorn

However, I wonder, his Uranus is widely conjunct ODYSSEUS (4 degrees) and parallel (under one degree, but not under half a degree). And it is in his 8th house.

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my Mars in Sagittarius, in 12th house
- conjunct Neptune
- widely square Jupiter
- sextile Pluto

(possibly a little too prone for these fantasies ; Neptune rules 3rd house).

no aspects to the loyalty markers

5th house ruler is:

Venus in Capricorn in 1st house
- square Pluto, r 11 and 12, on MC.

conjunct FIDES

posted August 15, 2014 10:25 AM            

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sidereal: Venus in Cap Mars in Taurus Pluto and ASC in Virgo

draconic: Venus in Taurus Mars in Virgo Pluto and ASC in Cap

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Not that I complain about a Gem Mars, it's the Mars I need according to my natal chart.

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BTW, Cappy, my sidereal ASC is in Sag, remember you said I look like a Sag?

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Originally posted by Enneline:
But would you show and verbally confirm your loyalty? Of course at some point you would...but would u be that open-hearted about your faithfulness right away? I doubt that.

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posted August 15, 2014 10:28 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Pluto on IC? You must have had a rough childhood? A lot of insecurity with endings and tough things going on?

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Oh yes, you are right with every assumption but I am a survivor and my life has become better and better for which I am really grateful

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:

and you must be right about the Aries Moon

Vesta conjunct Chiron sextile Venus in Cancer? This is nice. After a lot of pain, you can be healed by the "inner fire", by passion and love. Also, art or creativity or anything connected to Venus in cancer must have a healing effect on you.

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posted August 15, 2014 10:32 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Ich verstehe nicht.

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Your penelope is rx in the 12th house (read: hidden) squares Pluto and Fides in the 3rd house (communication) and squares your sun. It could be the case that you would hesitate to tell your man "I going to be loyal and faithful to u at any costs. I will be waiting for you"

posted August 15, 2014 10:39 AM            

my loyalty-markers to his chart
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my Saturn (in his 5th)
-square his Pluto (r8 in 7) - 4°
- quinkunx his FIDES exact
- trine his ODYSSEUS-VALENTINE in his 8th - 2°

my JUNO (in his 12th)
- trine his ODYSSEUS-VALENTINE in his 8th - 2°
-opp his HESTIA in his 6th (1,5°)

my VESTA (in his 10th)
- conj his Sun in his 9th widely (4°)
- conj his Moon and MC (3°) and on exact antiscion
- trine his NN in his 6th exact
- trine his VESTA in his 1st (2)
- conjunct his PENELOPE in his 10th exact

my HESTIA (in his 2nd)
- trine his Venus, r2/7 in 11, (1)
- trine his Saturn, r11 in 7, (2)
- opposite his Uranus, r12 in 8, (1°)
- trine his DESC exact
- square his PSYCHE (1)

my FIDES (in his 10th)
- trine his Chiron in his 1st (2)
- trine his AMOR in his 6th (1)

my FIDUCIA (in his 9th)
- conj. his Neptune, r1 in 9, (1)
- square his HESTIA (and BML) in his 6th exact

my ODYSSEUS (in his 2nd)
- opp. his Uranus, r12 in 8, (1°)
- quinkunx his Neptune, r 1 in 9, exact
- quinkunx his Pluto, r8 in 7, exact
- opposite his ODYSSEUS-VALENTINE in his 8th (2°)

my PENELOPE (in his 8th)
- conj. his Uranus, r12 in 8, (2°)
- conj. his ODYSSEUS-VALENTINE in 8 (1,5°)

posted August 15, 2014 10:48 AM            

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It could be the case that you would hesitate to tell your man "I going to be loyal and faithful to u at any costs. I will be waiting for you"

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And who says something like that? Drop those harlequins

posted August 15, 2014 10:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Aw heck! These investigations are heard to resist.

Great thread, Leeloo.

Saturn / Vesta DW - my Vesta in Sco, 2nd
Vesta / Psyche DW
Pluto square Juno DW
My Juno at his Sun/Moon Mid pt.

Also, a loyalty biggie - particularly relevant as we are were distant:

Penelope conjunct Sun (0) DW

My Ulysses -30 Libra
My Sun - 1.35 Sco
[b]His Asc - 1.37 Sco
His Penelope - 1.50 Sco
My Odysseus - 3 Sco

His Sun - 17.35 Leo
My Penelope - 18.50 Leo

Also many soft aspects with Ulysses/ Odysseus to LAs.
His Hestia conjunct his Odysseus square my Hestia.

I think we many be thinkers (of disloyal thoughts) but we're not doers.[/B]

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posted August 15, 2014 10:50 AM            

his Saturn in my 9th house
- square my Sun, r9 in 1, exact
- square my MErcury, r7 in 1, (1°)
- trine my ULYSSES-HESTIA, in my 6th (2°)
- quink. my PSYCHE in 2nd (2°)

his JUNO in my 8th house
- trine my VALENTINE in 12th, exact
- quinkunx my Sun in 1st (2^°)
- quinkunx my true BML in 3rd, exact

his VESTA in my 5th house
- trine my Venus, r5 in 1st, (2°)
- opposite my Uranus, r3 in 11, (2°)
- trine my VESTA in 1st (2°)

his HESTIA in my 9th house
- quinkunx my Moon, r8 in 2, (1°)
- quuinkunx my Chiron in 4 (1°)
- sextile my Saturn, r2 in 8, (2°)
- opp. my JUNO in 3 (2°)
- squrae my FIDUCIA in 1st exact
- sextile my EROS in 8, (2 degres)

his FIDES in my 2nd:
- conjunct my Moon, r8 in 2, exact
- quink. my Saturn, r2 in 8, exact

his FIDUCIA in my 2nd:
- square my Uranus, r3 in 11, exact
-opposite my PRIAPUS in 8 exact
- sextile my AMOR in 12th exact

his PENELOPE in my 1st:
- conj. my VESTA exact
- sextile my Uranus, r3 in 11, exact

his ODYSSEUS-VALENTINE in my 11th:
- conj. my PENELOPE (1,5 degrees)
- trine my Saturn, r2 in 8, (2 degrees)
- trine my JUNO in 3, (2 degrees)
- trine my EROS in 8 (1°)
- trine my Vertex in 8 (2°)

posted August 15, 2014 10:51 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:

Why do you think so?

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Well, according to my life experience and my theory, which seems to work fine so far, my Venus is a hard aspect lover. So she needs a mutable Mars. She makes no soft aspects and is angular on 8th cusp. She already makes a cross with Eros, but the planetary part of the T/square involves Neptune in Sag, Jupiter stellium in Pisces and Venus in Virgo. So the planetary leg of the cross is in Gem. This Mars in Gem would be on my Eros and on my 5th cusp, completing the Cross, also trining my Mars/Pluto/Mercury stellium and my Psyche/Lilith. A Gem/Mars gives me a Cross/Kite formation, perhaps the best geometry in a synastry.

Let's look at the other options:

Mars in Virgo on my Venus: of course, very nice too. In my 8th, part of the cross, no soft aspects though.

Mars in Sag on my Neptune: I'm not very fond of Mars conjunct Neptune. I love Mars Neptune aspects, but the distant ones. Part of cross, no soft aspects either. In the 11th house.

Mars in Pisces, in my 2nd. Not bad either, still no soft aspects, perhaps a trine to my Vesta.

Let's look at trine/sextile Marses, just for the fun of it.

Mars in Cap trine my Venus. In my 12th (meh) square my Libra stellium, but that's it.

Mars in Taurus in my 3rd (secondary 5th), sextile Pisces stellium, that's it.

Mars in Scorpio. This one I rather like, but a Mars on or near my MC, sextile my Sun/Venus mpd, trine Jupiter and Saturn. Not at 6 Scorpio. At 6 Scorpio would be in my 9th, possibly trining Pisces stellium, partially, but that's it.

Mars in Cancer in my 6th, secondary 8th, but squaring my Pluto/Mars/Mercury.

So the Gem Mars is a gem for me

BTW, you can all do this analysis for yourself, for your Venus/Mars and see how the best option is rather obvious.

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posted August 15, 2014 10:56 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
And who says something like that? Drop those harlequins

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I would say that.

Come on, it's romantic!

posted August 15, 2014 11:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Astro keen:
Aw heck! These investigations are heard to resist.

Great thread, Leeloo.

Saturn / Vesta DW - my Vesta in Sco, 2nd
Vesta / Psyche DW
Pluto square Juno DW
My Juno at his Sun/Moon Mid pt.

Also, a loyalty biggie - particularly relevant as we are were distant:

Penelope conjunct Sun (0) DW

My Ulysses -30 Libra
My Sun - 1.35 Sco
[b]His Asc - 1.37 Sco
His Penelope - 1.50 Sco
My Odysseus - 3 Sco

His Sun - 17.35 Leo
My Penelope - 18.50 Leo

Also many soft aspects with Ulysses/ Odysseus to LAs.
His Hestia conjunct his Odysseus square my Hestia.

I think we many be thinkers (of disloyal thoughts) but we're not doers.[/B]

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Outstanding aspects, Astro Keen What about the composite/Davison?

posted August 15, 2014 11:05 AM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
and what about you, LeeLoo? Are you a faithful Partner?

WOW, Ceri, when I read your placements, I thought "loyal to the end" (in case you're in love, of course

According to my natal, I am supposedly a cheater but I never did Well, if you count unfaithful thoughts, I am a big cheater

I need to check the asteroids

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Enneline,

let´s not forget those placements ar ejust potentials, and maybe will only indicate that someone needs a bit more stimulation to keep the romance alive (or even WANT the romance to be kept alive).

posted August 15, 2014 11:06 AM            

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Originally posted by libran_dream:
Thematic asteroid astrology is so fascinating. I'm barely a beginner in it, but my mind is blown on a constant basis in this field. It shouldn't work - but it does??

I have a pretty strong loyalty theme in my natal. First off, my Vesta is the first body in my chart. It's a matter of personal opinion with astrologers, but I think order of planets/bodies in a chart is important.

For the other big one, Juno is retro in H12 in Virgo. Conjunct Osiris and Adonis, I think, but no contact with anything major in my chart but a sextile with Saturn, Vesta being on the midpoint.

Penelope is opposite Pluto, about 30 seconds orb. Ulysses is conjunct Venus, about 1°30' orb. Hestia is conjunct Moon, about 30' orb.

And it's true, I'm fiercely/annoyingly loyal.

Recap:
-Vesta(r) H1, Libra. Semisextile Saturn the only planetary aspect.
-Juno(r) H12, Virgo. Sextile Saturn the only planetary aspect.
-Juno/Saturn midpoint = Vesta, 2° orb
-Hestia conjunct Moon, 0°30'
-Penelope opposite Pluto, 0°39'
-Ulysses conjunct Venus(chart ruler), 1°38'

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Great aspects, libran dream!

Why do you say "it shouldn't work"?

Also, could you develop a bit the idea of the "first astro body" in a chart?

posted August 15, 2014 11:11 AM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
However with Venus, as ruler of 5th house, squared by Pluto, my obsessions usually last a LOOOOONG time.
-> why Ceri? I don't understand why you come to that conlusion I'd rather say you love to play around with your obsessions

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Yes, I do play around with them, but it does not mean they are fickle. Venus is in Capricorn, which gives the Plutonian compulsion some lastingness.

I mean, come on, how long have i been going on and on aobut Mr SAg? Or Jude Law for that matter ?

Yes it is fun, sort of, but it goes deeper than that, it is ... psychological.

The first performer I had a crush on and who affected me on a cellular level, well he sort of came into my life in 1990, and it is only since 2010, that I can - TRUELY- say, I am over it, I mean for real. No spark felt anymore whatsoever.

20 freaking years!!!

PENELOPE anyone?

Of course Saturn in Cancer in 8th house, adds to it as well. I just cannot let go so easily.
Which is why I usually prefer to spread my infatuations a little around, juggling more than one at a time. But somehow i cannot deceive myself that well anymore. I always know nowadays who is the real No 1 in my heart. Against all odds. Against better knowledge and all. *sighs*

posted August 15, 2014 11:13 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
Would I be as faithful as I think I'd be or am I deluding myself?

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Cappy,

posted August 15, 2014 11:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Cappy,

what happened when you were about 15-17 years oöld?

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Why?