posted August 31, 2015 11:43 AM            

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Originally posted by DopGang:
I have one for everyone if they want.

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Please do!

posted August 31, 2015 11:43 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Please do!

But wait til Ceri gives the answer for this one first?

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posted August 31, 2015 11:46 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
1st: affair, 2nd longterm relationship

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posted August 31, 2015 12:39 PM            

I know, I know, it's easy to say now, but I am oh so sorry I didn't post sooner

It was mainly just Pluto-Sun conjunction I think that set the deal that the relationship with Sag brother isn't the best. I've got some heavy Pluto synastry in my family, and it's not that pleasant.

posted August 31, 2015 01:41 PM              

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I seem to have loved you in numberless forms...

AstroMandala

posted August 31, 2015 01:41 PM            

I try to be a good mom...it's hard, though. I mean, I get along with them great, but there are so many concerns with raising children.

I'm glad you guessed Libra and I'm glad you like the thread!

@Ceridwen

What? Don't apologize! Funny coincidence, that's all. I'm emailing you my guesses.

posted August 31, 2015 02:01 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:

@Ceridwen

What? Don't apologize! Funny coincidence, that's all. I'm emailing you my guesses.

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In that case I am going to wait, and torture Leeloo a while longer.

posted August 31, 2015 02:11 PM              

My friend dated the Libra for 7 years, and had the affair with the Virgo (which bombed gloriously). However having said that from my point of view the relationship with the LIbra wasn`t that great either.
I think they were being glued together by the Moon-synastry as well as habit.

posted August 31, 2015 02:16 PM              

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Originally posted by Soltze:
I feel tempted to agree.

Because I see a lot of 5th house action (fun, fun, fun). The second charts looks a bit more difficult but Pluto and Saturn aspects could add the glue.

Just hope I'm not wrong again :-D

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the 5th house action could not take off properly as his Venus-Mars-Sun were unaspected by her planets. I find it interesting how BOTH guys had an unaspected Venus and Mars in the synastry.

In the second one I suppose his Pluto was too much for her, especially since his Pluto-Moon-square expressed in some psychological problems, especially in terms of his mother-relationship.

posted August 31, 2015 02:18 PM              

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Originally posted by mir:
Ceri,

First impression, only based on their Moons;
1st - long
2nd - affair

With the 2nd her (vedic) Moon (although in square) is VASYA - to his', so this very well might explain the head-over-heels thing from her side while being in a relationship, which ofcourse doesn't have to be bad at-ALL if the rest of their synasty is solide. But if NOT, woeiiiii.

With 1, a Moon-Moon trine.

But I'm aware the progressions will tell the true story ;D

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yes, seems this was another case of Vasya, and yes, with 1 the Moon-synastry (excluding Neptune) was probably what held them together. Tehy felt like family with the MOon-Moon and were sticking together with the Moon-Saturn-DW
(she also married a man with whom she shares MoonSAturn-DW, just this time the square and opposition)

posted August 31, 2015 02:19 PM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Okay, disclosure time.

My friend dated the Libra for 7 years, and had the affair with the Virgo (which bombed gloriously). However having said that from my point of view the relationship with the LIbra wasn`t that great either.
I think they were being glued together by the Moon-synastry as well as habit.

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It's on mdp, roughly! interesting, the combo natal + progressed! do you feel anything?

posted August 31, 2015 02:21 PM              

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Originally posted by FmVenusWLove:

Libra's Moon/Nep/NN conjunct her Neptune trine Moon
Libra has an impressive stellium of planets falling in her 5H
She has an impressive stellium of planets in his 12H

To me, this relationship looks much more like an affair - it seems like it would feel intense, emotional, and a bit removed from reality. The placements in my mind would be conducive to someone falling "head over heels". Plus I would guess the Libra is inconsistent or possibly a player, which might translate as him being emotionally manipulative at some point.

The relationship with the Virgo I would guess would be a bit more stable because it isn't as highly concentrated as the other one. They seem to have similar attitudes and his placements seem to be more stable than the Libras, which I think she would appreciate.

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Interestingly it was exactly the other way round. The Virgo was highly mentally and emotionally unstable and abusive.

posted August 31, 2015 02:22 PM              

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Originally posted by llewsacm:
First is long term. DW moon Saturn. Second chart has Pluto directly on her Venus mars in 5th. Sun overlay to 8th house. Activation of her 12 house which may add to that feeling of being uncomfortable (in love but "hated it"...lol).

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posted August 31, 2015 02:23 PM            

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1st relationship, 2nd affair
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Dopgang, Leeloo, Peluches, Mir, Lacey, llewsacm

For those who did not give a reasoning, can you add why you think that way?

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Sure.

One important point in your friend's chart must be her PLUTO-VENUS-MARS conjunction (VENUS being R5), piling up the three possible midpoints of these planets as well, and on the cusp of her 5H. It's also opposite her MOON at a wider orb, and tightly connected to her SATURN (R7, R8) and NEP, which makes me think that anything touching that stellium will have a strong impact on her.

Both Mr. Libra and Mr. Virgo have their PLUTOs there, but the Libran uses a wider orb for his and doesn’t reach her MOON. The Virgoan, on the other hand, has his PLUTO right on the stellium, touching her MOON opposite, and with his MOON squaring her PLUTO. (It is wide, but I thought we could count that as it's going both ways, and because just a single PLUTO/MOON can be crushing.)

Also, the composite MARS/PLUTO midpoint looks conjunct her SUN, which might be indicating that she was the most affected by the abusive side of the relationship.

The synastry with the Libran looks more romantic and easy, with a MOON-NEP conjunction and trine and NEP conjunct NNODE. I wouldn't say the relationship lacked passion, though, because they have their VE/MA midpoints in the same sign (attraction) and they both have them individually conjunct, resulting in a composite VENUS conjunct MARS. (... I suppose. Correct me if I'm wrong. ) However, that composite conjunction doesn’t hit anything in the natals closely, so it doesn’t qualify as a really significant side of the relationship to me.

Also, I'm not an expert in longevity, the only factor I know being the basic one (SATURN), but I decided to give it a try as it was one of the clues in your description. Your friend has more SATURN with the Libran (SATURN-MOON going both ways, in fact ; SUN and MERC also aspected).

Last, but certainly not least, I see Mr. Libran has a MOON conjunct NEPTUNE and square JUPITER, with the SUN and MERC in the same signs as me. Aaand I'd be more inclined to have an LTR than an abusive affair.

Right ! That's it. (I think I'd better stop now, just in case I'm wrong.)

posted August 31, 2015 02:24 PM              

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Originally posted by DopGang:
Things that stood out were more Saturn in the first and unaspected (pretty much) Venus and mars, in the 2nd.

Plus moon trine moon in the first. I wouldn't have thought abuse.

I have one for everyone if they want.

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same things I also saw initially. Also both guys Venus and Mars are being unspected, that surely was interesting.

posted August 31, 2015 02:26 PM              

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the first guy has placements that indicate instability... no way he could hold down a ltr in his younger years, the second guy, with that cap moon and cancer venus... all about home and staying power. he was likely bland and reliable for her and when mr. excitement sag/libra came along she took the chance. just the male signs indicated longevity or not. so your statement of "7 years together" made me try to determine what guy could hold a relationship down for 7 years. it wasn't the first.

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Interestingly the Libra was the one with the ltr, and when they broke up, he already had a new girlfriend (but wouldn`t admit it to her, which drove her crazy), and they have been together ever since (15 years by now, and I think they recently got married).

posted August 31, 2015 02:32 PM              

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
It's on mdp, roughly! interesting, the combo natal + progressed! do you feel anything?

Thank you I wanted to ask that, because despite the longtermness and protective vibe suggested by the synastry, it looks like one of those youth relationships....not that there is anything wrong with them, but somehow they are not the final destination, so to speak.

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Yes, I feel it, definitely so.

Anyway, personally I have always thought that LIbra-guy was a little abusive himself or at least taking her for granted a lot, and enjoying her respect and admiration for his intellect, thinking she was somehow dumb (at least compared to the rest of the world, which was total crap of course), but I got the feeling he liked to play the mentor to her, keeping her a little like a "child".
Of course there were also good aspects in the relationship, like the stability, support, and so on.
He also told her repeatedly that he had never been in love with her and never been attracted to her, which was BEFORE her affair.
I remember that talk, and how much it riled ME up, him saying that, and enraged me, and she was so calm about it. like it idd not even matter, or was not to be expected differently. It really shocked me, I mean serously, shouldn´t at least your romantic partner being attracted to you???

posted August 31, 2015 02:33 PM              

apart from what she said, with the second matching passion/obsession for the lady, and the first having a soft, flowy, family vibe, but also youth love, another criterion was the personality of each player here, considering your clues, and what they may trigger in each other.