posted April 13, 2016 05:24 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I received both emails

But have a little patience, here it is bedtime, so I am going to call it a night and respond to the mails tomorrow.

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Thanks! Take your time.

Good night!

posted April 13, 2016 05:31 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I received both emails

But have a little patience, here it is bedtime, so I am going to call it a night and respond to the mails tomorrow.

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Thanks Ceri, no problem!!!

LOL, the weird thing is that I didn;t even see Sunnya's post just before mine! I just entered into the thread and informed you that I sent it, I got THAT anxious for the case you didn't receive it, hahahaha !

posted April 14, 2016 01:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
He thinks he might be dreaming meeting you?

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What??? You are joking, right ?????!!!!

Btw, the angles of his event-davison are conjunct by 2-3 d. my natal angles!!!

This Davison thing is a real treasure, hahahaha!

posted April 14, 2016 03:30 PM            

Yes, it can be both, incidently. It`s not an easy planet or centaur to interprete.
But there is some very physically earthy vibe with him, in terms of attraction very sensual, but the thing is you are so vulnerable and naked when it comes to Chiron, like you do not have any kind of second skin, you`re sort of very exposed, and if it is angular all the more.
BTW Chiron does not do the wounding, but represents what we consider a wound or flaw. So if it is touched it is not so much that the other one really wounds us but makes us gain awareness of that raw feeling of woundedness inside. There is also healing, of course, and honesty, and guidance with Chiron, he is a mentor after all.

posted April 14, 2016 04:03 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I tend to see him rather positive, but sometimes he can also be simply that, a feeling of woundedness, and as I think of something lacking/ missing. But we have to realize what we miss or lack before we can try to get it right?

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posted April 14, 2016 05:43 PM            

And Composite of natal + relationship Davison = underlying/catalyst emotions/feelings behind the Marks chart? Or am I getting into way too complex territory with this?

What I see looks so interesting

posted April 15, 2016 09:35 AM            

"So Davison of natal + relationship Davison = Marks charts and how one feels in the relationship."
Yes. Also how you ARE (in relation to the other person).

For example a Marks chart with late Libra-ASC and Venus in Taurus in 7th house would be VERY interested in the other person, and this would show in their behaviour, going out of their way, focusing on the other person, caring about them etc.

Different example
Aries-ASC with Mars in 1st house

generally speaking this person would be very SELF-oriented, dynamic, energetic, yes, but possibly not really interested in the other person, possibly other than the other person doing things for THEM

if such a person would have an empty 7th house and Venus, ruler of 7th house, in Taurus in 2nd house, with more emphasis on the 1st quadrant, they might only so far be interested in the relationship, as it surves to validate them as a person. Not someone I would want to be in relationship with, as they wouldn´t really care about the other person as an individual, only in regards to how they would be of use to them.

(it is a very extreme black-white-example though, most Marks charts are more balanced. )

Interestingly MY Marks chart has quite a bit going on in 2nd house, with Mercury and Venus being placed there - both in Pisces.

Venus rules the 5th house and is in 2nd house (the other cross-connection is Venus as 10th house ruler in 2nd house).
anyway Michael Roscher once termed that houserulership between 5th and 2nd house "the sexy (5th house) body (2nd house)"

Additionally this Venus is part of a Grand trine (though not exact) with the Moon-uranus-conjunction in Scorpio in 10th house and mars on 00 Cancer in 7th house.

Venus trine Moon 5°04
Venus trine Uranus 1°35
Venus trine Mars 4°44
Moon conjunct Uranus 3°29

well Moon-Mars is actually out of orb 9°48

and Mars trine Uranus just loose: 6°19

However Venus is trine both, Moon and Mars, in fact Venus is on their midpoint

Moon 10°01 Scorpio
Mars 00°13 Cancer
Venus 04°57 Pisces

so you cannot see them separately.

Moon rules the intercepted 7th house, Mars rules the IC, Uranus rules the 2nd house (!)

So you can see how strongly the angular houses are configured with the 2nd house.

Additionally Mercury is actually ruler of the 7th house and placed in 2nd house as well.

You can see from that that I am interested in this relationship (ruler of 7th house) as far as it validates me as a person (ruler of 7th in 2nd house), or at least one reason for this connection IS the fact that the partner (the other person in Davison) confirms my personal value. Along with that 5th house ruler in 2nd house, having a strongly physical/ sensual note, and let`s not forget- Venus-Mars-trine in water-signs is pretty nice and attractive too, coupled with the emotional (Moon) excitement (uranus) that can be well a bit intense I guess with them being in Scorpio.

It`s interesting that the ruler of 8th house - moon, and ruler of 2nd house - Uranus are conjoined in the 10th house and additionally conjoined with the NN (Moon more closely though).

the 8th house of course indicating my commitment to the other person, however, since the 7th house represents the Self of the partner, the 8th house represents THEIR physicality and value, so you can see that this, from my perspective is a big part of the attraction.

It`s also true, somehow it was through him that I became aware for the first time (or after long time) of my own gender-identity, let`s phrase it like that. I did nto really think of me in terms of a sexual being, always just as a person, but excluding the fact that I am pretty much a feminine person. Not intentionally I think, I just did not. But from the first time we met, he somehow made me remember that. I don`t know why or how, but just in the way he acted towards me or even how he looked at me, made me aware of me being a woman I guess, and it came like a shock. lol

But also very important part of the attraction for me is that despite everything I feel appreciated by him for things I`ve never really been appreciated before, a more instincutal physical appreciation or validating of myself. Which was or is new for me, and I am still trying to integrate or incorporate that field of experience into my image of myself as a person.

THAT I think is examplary for the 7th house ruler in 2nd house.

also of course in our synastry his Venus falls into my 2nd house (and Venus is the ruler of his intercepted 7th house - so this is sort of a confirmation of the Marks-chart. Wow, just now realized that, it`s the same house-rulership relation).

However, if that was all, I`d say I was merely interested in him for validating my sense of physical Self.

But it happens that Mars and Saturn fall into my 7th house as well - mars even being the planet that represents him (because of Aries intercepted in his natal 1st house).
Mars rules the 4th house, saturn rules the intercepted 1st house, and both planets are in intercepted Cancer in 7th house.

Haha, everyone might think my interest in him is strictly Mercurial, including myself, but then when you get a little closer, that emotional Cancer raises her head. with ruler of 4th house (the basis) and ruler of 1st house (the Self) landing in the house of the other, you can easily see that I am indeed very focused on him, not just to validate myself, but because this is an instinctive pull (both 1st and 4th house describe that).

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And Composite of natal + relationship Davison = underlying/catalyst emotions/feelings behind the Marks chart? Or am I getting into way too complex territory with this?"
Possibly. But possibly also too complex for me right now.

"Edit: I am also venturing into Marks charts of natals + EVDs to see if it reveals more about how people feel."
Yes, according to the author I have been reading, it is really the Marks chart of natal and Event-Davison that shows your very subjective experience and feelings about a situation but also how you act in it!

posted April 15, 2016 09:37 AM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
Oh my God Ceri, no need to answer that, but so that you know this EXACTLY "but the thing is you are so vulnerable and naked when it comes to Chiron, like you do not have any kind of second skin, you`re sort of very exposed, and if it is angular all the more. " fits SO MUCH with the meeting I am talking about! You can't even imagine!!! I can see it clearly now that I thought about your words! Hope that I helped by just sharing it! LOL

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I am glad it resonates, cause while I am still in the process to figure out the extentions of Chironic aspects, I think that is a very significant hallmark of them, this vulnerability and emotional nakedness.

posted April 15, 2016 02:28 PM            

The 2nd house dynamic seems clear, but I also agree that it's not just because you get increased self-value and self-appreciation, there is more into it and Moon-uranus-conjunction in Scorpio could be doing just that by trining the Venus in the 2nd too.
The Grand trine being in water I think already puts more sensitivity in the mix too.

What is Pluto doing? Neptune? And Lilith btw lol?

I am trying to do the same with ours and in general I am happy with what I see.

For him ruler of the 7th is in the 5th conjunct Ceres. This seems good and caring and sweet. Ruler of the 8th also in the 5th and is the apex of one of the kites, so I think he is happy with my body lol.

Moon in 1st conjunct the ASC in Leo. The ASC in Marks chart represents him and the 7th me, right? Does this mean he could be a bit big in emotions? He does seem very much emotional and super expressive when I am around, much more than when I am not, so this placement is intriguing me a lot.

Then the other kite seems lovely too but I am still trying to understand the stuff in the 11th.

-- Yes I am leaving the composites for another time. I am loving checking the Marks Charts with EVDs!

You could do Marks chart for May concert and share if you like, yes?

posted April 15, 2016 02:56 PM            

"The Grand trine being in water I think already puts more sensitivity in the mix too."
Yes, it is of course multilayered, I just scratched the surface, and did so cause I wanted to show how the 7th - 1st house thing works.

Actually we would start with the sign at the ASC, the ruler of ASC in sign and house and its strong aspects (particularly conjunctions of course or very close aspects) and planets in the 1st house.

"What is Pluto doing? Neptune? And Lilith btw lol? "

this is my Marks chart

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this is his Marks chart

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posted April 15, 2016 03:06 PM            

" Ruler of the 8th also in theur 5th and is the apex of one of the kites, so I think he is happy with my body lol."
LOL Definitely. I think both, 7th and 8th ruler in 5th house indicate that the erotic aspect figures very strongly in his attraction and why he would want the connection. Of course other 5th house scenarios could play out too (like children, creativity, sport etc. )

But the ruler of 7th in 5th is very romantic and the connection between 8th and 5th is very sexy and dramatic.

"Moon in 1st conjunct the ASC in Leo. The ASC in Marks chart represents him and the 7th me, right?"
Yes. Though the 7th represents you by extension as it is you who are the partner of his Marks chart (as it was made with your Davison and you´re the other person). Generally speaking the 7th is about how he relates to you, what interests him in you and the connection, the first definitely shows us what this is about for him, how he expresses himself, what is stimulated in him. Moon in Leo on ASC is very dramatic, generous, theatrical even. a big big heart, warm as the Sun, a grand display of emotion,.

" Does this mean he could be a bit big in emotions? He does seem very much emotional and super expressive when I am around, much more than when I am not, so this placement is intriguing me a lot."
Makes total sense to me.

posted April 15, 2016 03:22 PM            

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Of course the houses and angles might not be totally correct, as I just arbitrarily picked the ending time after the first performance on 14th may (there will be a second one on 15th may). But all in all ther emight not be that much change, esp. in terms of planets.

Well Sun is the "heart" of any chart, the motor, what drives it or what it is driven by. And here this Sun is in Taurus conjunct Eros. Oookay. not thinking about it. lol

And the emotional side of it (the "heart" is not so much understood as emotional in terms of the Sun,b ut that which the whole thing revolves about, the core energy, the essence).

Anyway the feeling and emotional side is of course represented by Moon and here it is in chatty Gemini, though just the day after that it probably would be in Cancer already. I might get more emotional the next day?

Anyway Moon conjuncts Amor for me at thta first day. With Sun conjunct Eros. Hm.

His Marks chart with that event

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posted April 15, 2016 03:35 PM            

the sextile between Eros and Psyche is exact, too

The Sun-Venus-conjunction is a little wider I think, at 3 degrees.

And instead of opposing my Sun exactly, THAT evening my EVD Lilith will be opposing HIS Sun exact.

WEll that is for the situation. As for my very subjective experience of it, how I will act and how i will relate and feel about it, this would be THIS

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So at the 2nd performance Moon will have moved into Cancer, and in fact making a very close golden rectangle with Neptune, Pluto and Eros

posted April 15, 2016 03:44 PM            

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Moon will have passed the trine to Uranus and the quinkunx to Sun and instead will be conjunct Juno, trine Saturn, trine Eros and square Pholus (which happens to fall EXACT on my natal DESC )

I wonder however if something will be not right with his family.

Chiron opposite Uranus square Ceres

Incidentally the missing leg of this T-square, opposite Ceres, is on the solstice/ miorror point of Lilith (which is actually falling exact on his natal Aphrodite/Vertex-conjunction and close enough to saturn-DESC to count)

posted April 15, 2016 03:54 PM            

First we make a Davison of your natal and the event. That is considered the birthchart of the situation you are being placed in in most descriptive terms.

But the Marks chart of this is actually taking this Davison (which includes YOUR data and the event data) and making another Davison of THIS and your natal data again, so we actually use your data twice, which is what makes me a little, jsut a little wondering, if that is nto overdoing it. Why using your data twice? You were already included in the first!

On the other hand we do it the same way with relationship Davison, we take your and his data and make a Davison as a description of your relationship, and treat it as the birth chart of your relationship, and then we make another Davison of your data and the relationship-Davison (which had included your data to begin with).

Do you know what I mean?

It ONLY makes sense if we can accept the idea that the Davison really represents something like a birth chart to highlight the combination of you and the event (or other person).
And if we accept that it is of course acceptable too to make a Davison again with your chart and the Event Davison, to figure out your subjective experience of the moment or relationship.

posted April 15, 2016 04:04 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
"the only thing that changes (I think) are the angles!"
No, that is not true.

First we make a Davison of your natal and the event. That is considered the birthchart of the situation you are being placed in in most descriptive terms.

But the Marks chart of this is actually taking this Davison (which includes YOUR data and the event data) and making another Davison of THIS and your natal data again, so we actually use your data twice, which is what makes me a little, jsut a little wondering, if that is nto overdoing it. Why using your data twice? You were already included in the first!

On the other hand we do it the same way with relationship Davison, we take your and his data and make a Davison as a description of your relationship, and treat it as the birth chart of your relationship, and then we make another Davison of your data and the relationship-Davison (which had included your data to begin with).

Do you know what I mean?

It ONLY makes sense if we can accept the idea that the Davison really represents something like a birth chart to highlight the combination of you and the event (or other person).
And if we accept that it is of course acceptable too to make a Davison again with your chart and the Event Davison, to figure out your subjective experience of the moment or relationship.

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Oh, then I got it wrng about the angles, I looked in your davison event and in your marks event and I think I saw the same date, but thank you for explaining!

"(which had included your data to begin with).

posted April 15, 2016 06:06 PM            

About your Marks charts:

What's with men and kites on their Marks charts? haha

Your Marks charts ruler Jupiter is on the IC. A happy soulmate connection

In his Marks chart I love the connection Moon/Neptune/Pluto. It also seems very spiritual and deep. And Venus on the apex of the kite .

Sun/NN conjunct on the 7th wow. He sees you as his perfect future wife.

Edit.

Ok now onto your May Marks charts