posted February 05, 2016 11:44 AM            

So conjunctions and oppositions within tight orbs are the things to look out for in these composites.
It just struck me now however, that this means that actually the transit chart is REPEATING or rather MIRRORING your natal phase angle.

I tried that out with a marriage chart.
the man has Moon conjunct Saturn in the composite with the marriage chart at only 5 minutes of orb.

Turns out it is true, while he has a waxing Moon-saturn-square of about 56 minuttes in his natal, the Wedding chart has a waning Moon-Saturn-square of about 46 minutes.

So yes that fits (the angular distance has not always to be an aspect, it works with any distance, but here in this case it was an aspect)

For me the day when I received my official promotion actually had two of these occurrences (which are rare enough)

Uranus conjunct Neptune (0°07)

Sun conjunct Mercury 0°18

The Sun-Mercury conjunction was present in transit chart as well as in my natal chart.

The UranusNeptune-angle in my chart is not an actual aspect (38°35) - but there is a repetition of that phase transit wise, just that it is in the opposite phase (changed order of Neptune and Uranus).

In fact this Uranus-Neptune-occurrence is not so much specific of that day I got my promotion, but it is indicative of my current timeframe, as I`ve had this 1 degree conjunction for several months now and will have it for some more.

However if the orbs are as close as this for the conjunction/ composite, they will also activate the same midpoints within that transit-composite-chart, and THOSE will be different for each event.

For example for the 5th november that Uranus/Neptune was no focal point for any midpoints at all

on 28th december:
Uranus = Neptune = Moon/Saturn

on 23rd january:

Uranus = Neptune = Venus/MC

and on the day of my promotion

Uranus = Neptune
= Venus/ASC (direct midpoint)
= Mars/Saturn (wide)
= Jupiter/Vertex

*
MO/SA Depressed mind. Discontentment or separation of female persons. Painful, strict or punctilious hours. Restrain. Separate. Despair. Depressed mind. Old, single, separated or unhappy woman. The hours one has to be alone. evening hours. Separates from the public. Self reserve. To be separated from the public.

MC/VE To have the power of attraction. To be attractive. One's hopes and wishes. To be fond of some thing. Sympathies. One's own personal attraction and affections. Love sentiments. One's own wishes. Affection. Fondness. Love union.

AS/VE Amorous acquaintances. To show evidence of love. Harmonious relations to the place. Lovable acquaintances. To be treated well by others. Others who tong for the native. Personal love connections and love unions. Love acquaintances.

MA/SA interruption of work. Hard work and focused energy.

posted February 05, 2016 06:44 PM            

My perspective
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Sun conjunct Venus 2°45
- too wide, so they will not share a midpoint I guess, but close enough to be definitely valid as an aspect

Neptune conjunct NN 1°05
- yes I met him when there was a transiting Neptune-NN-conjunction, and my own Neptune is conjunct NN natally too, so here is the same phase angle again, and it was even more emphasized as the first meeting chart`s ASC was exactly falling onto my Neptune-NN. I guess I do not have to search long for the purpose of that meeting. lol

Moon conjunct Antivertex 1°54

Mars conjunct MC 0°19

as for shared midpoints:

Mars-MC didn`t have any midpoints

Neptune = Node
= Sun/PLuto (d)
= Uranus/Vertex

Venus = Sun
= Uranus/Pluto

interesting. despite the widish orb, they do have a midpoint in common, though it is very wide on the Sun?s side (1°46), but reasonable close for Venus (0°58), so I guess it is more tilted towards Venus= Uranus/Pluto, funnily a variation of his Uranus conjunct my Venus/Pluto-mp. lol

There are other very interesting midpoint pictures, too.

the interpretations according to Ebertin/ Witte/Tyl:

Neptune = Sun/Pluto
Self-sacrifice in relationship or to a cause. Impediments in
physical or mental development, very high sensitivity or impressionability.

(they don`t like Neptune nor Saturn for some reason. lol)

Node = Sun/Pluto
A lack of adaptability, fateful associations. Very
special new attachments; meeting the powerful.

Sun = Uranus/Pluto
Physical development which commences suddenly. The person who suddenly faces a changed manner of nutrition, who suddenly changes his intake of food or his meals.

- lol. In fact I do believe that this encounter was the catalyst for my change of eating pattern and physical transformation (though it took years for it to manifest)-

Venus = Uranus/Pluto
Affections and friendships which start with surprise.

yeah, he definitely was a surprise

I think the other midpoints that are containing the conjuncting/ opposing planets are very relevant here too

Neptune= Sun/Pluto = Venus/Pluto
(bringing the Sun-Venus-conjunction in a relationship with Neptune and Pluto)

Jupiter = Sun/Neptune = Venus/Neptune
Jupiter = Sun/Node = Venus/Node
(Jupiter is the connective factor between the Sun-Venus-conjunction and the Neptune-Node conjunction, which makes so much sense, it is not even funny anymore)

Pluto = Sun/Moon = Venus/Moon

Jupiter = Venus/Neptune = Venus/Node

Pluto = Mercury/Neptune = Mercury/Node

Venus= Neptune/Pluto = Pluto/Node

ASC = Mars/Saturn = Saturn/MC

Neptune = Venus/Pluto
impressionability, a seducible nature, lack of stability in love.

Jupiter = Sun/Neptune
Success through inspiration or imagination; achievement of success
with little exertion. Optimism and capacity to enjoy pleasant things in
life in spite of little vitality or illness; possible overindulgence.

Jupiter = Venus/Neptune
Happy enthusiasm of love. Temporary happiness in an love affair. Only for hours united in happy love.romantic reverie

Pluto = Sun/Moon
Sweeping changes in partnership, reassessment of old premises,
dramatic upsets in the balance of forces
Development and transformation of a partnership

Pluto = Moon/Venus
Powerful awakening of the amorous emotions. An unusual love-experience.PL Development toward the harmony of the soul. Awakening of love.

Jupiter = Venus/Node
Enjoying someone's company enormously; a rich or happy (and fortunate)
love-union.

Pluto = Mercury/Neptune
Unusual sub-conscious actions; the tendency to draw highly upon
nervous energy; instincts supporting the power drive.

Venus = Neptune/Pluto
The hardly noticeable beginning of a pleasant change

Venus = Pluto/Node
An unusual power of attraction to other people; possible melodrama. Karmic/ fated loveunion.

ASC = Mars/Saturn
Struggling for every step of advancement

ASC = Saturn/MC
Working with others with compassion and serious understanding. An
inhibition of growth or development, being placed in unfortunate
circumstances.

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posted February 05, 2016 07:07 PM            

Uranus conjunct Neptune 0°26
- interestingly this is what I am experiencing in the current timeframe

Mars conjunct Vertex 2°00

Mercury conjunct Saturn 0°49
Mercury opposite Sun 0°30
Saturn opposite Sun 0°10

Jupiter conjunct MC 2°00

Pluto conjunct NN 0°39

(also interesting to me how for me the NN was conjunct Neptune, for him it was a conjunction to Pluto)

Anyway, the midpoints shared by the interrelated planets

Uranus = Neptune
= Venus/MC (d)
= Venus/Jupiter (d)

Mars = Vertex
= Venus/Neptune (d)
= Venus/Uranus (d)

Mercury= Saturn = Sun
= Moon/Node
(= Moon/Pluto, though Mercury=Moon/Pluto is technically out of orb at 2°02; )

Pluto = Node
= Mars/Vertex
= Venus/Uranus

interpretations

Uranus = Venus/MC
Sudden affection. To be inflamed with affection. Intense flair; attractiveness to others. Love at first sight.

Neptune = Venus/MC
Sadness about romantic loss. To renounce love. Lover's grief. Hopeless in love. Love without prospects.

Uranus = Venus/Jupiter
The capacity to express joy whole-heatedly, the ability to become
popular quickly. Sudden happiness in love, joyous excitement.

Neptune = Venus/Jupiter
A loss of focus in love relationship; a change of direction for no
clear reason; being taken advantage of, being deceived. Negligence, lack
of correct behaviour. Love and affection with obstacles.

(He was sniffing my hair in the first 10 minutes of meeting, that could be considered a "lack of correct behaviour" I think. )

Mars = Venus/Neptune
Intercourse obstructed by abnormal build-up of other adverse conditions.
Sexual drive has a difficulty being fulfilled; there is magnetic attractiveness, but trouble settling down. Sexual aberration.

Mars = Venus/Uranus
Strong excitability in love. Creative activity. A sudden stepping-up
of the sex-life, procreation. Passionate sensuality, refined however. Sudden new acquaintances that become intimate.

Mercury = Moon/Node
The desire to exchange ideas with the female sex. Getting along with others, building co-operation

Saturn = Moon/Node
Inhibitions in team work or in living together. Sufferings
disadvantages or losses through associations. Separation.

Sun = Moon/Node
A spiritual attitude to friendships and sex-unions. Harmony between
husband and wife.

Mercury= Moon/Pluto
Far-reaching plans, the pursuit of comprehensive ideas with great
zeal. The gift to wield a powerful influence upon the larger public
through speeches or writings.

Saturn = Moon/Pluto
Persons who are retarded in their development or being.A one-sided emotional life, grave inhibitions. An inclination to
depressions, mental and emotional suffering. The pressure to regroup forces and plan anew.

Sun = Moon/Pluto
Tight team effort in relationship; special far-reaching plans;
emotional excitement.

plus:

MC = SAturn/Neptune = Saturn/Uranus
MC = Sun/Neptune = Sun/Uranus
MC = MercuryNeptune = Mercury/Uranus
Mars = Venus/Neptune = Venus/Uranus
Pluto = Venus/Neptune = Venus/Uranus

Mars = Mercury/ASC = Saturn/ASC = Sun/ASC

Moon = Node/ASC = Pluto/ASC
Neptune = Mercury/Node = Mercury/Pluto
Saturn = Moon/Node = Moon/Pluto
Sun = Moon/Node = Moon/Pluto

MC = Saturn/Neptune
Peculiar disposition, a frequent change of mood, losing courage quickly, wavering between materialistic and idealistic inclinations. capitulating to the demands of the environment totally.

MC = Saturn/Uranus
breaking away from
the old or from others; rebellion.
To be separated suddenly.

Mc = Sun/Neptune
Confusion because of self-deception. To be receptive but also hypersensitive

MC = Sun/Uranus
To experience a psychological shock. One who is easily excited. Frequent irritability. Sudden physically exciting events.

MC = Mercury/Neptune
A rich inner life full of imagination, far-reaching ideas and plans,
intuitive thinking, sympathetic understanding of other people,
spiritual awareness.

MC = Mercury/Uranus
To have original thoughts

Pluto = Venus/Neptune
Sweet, kind. Development of a secret sympathy.
Extremely emotional; strong longing in love without attaining
fulfilment; a painful renunciation; sexual needs pack a primal punch.

Pluto = Venus/Uranus
Fated attraction; potential notoriety; possible exhibitionism.

Mars = Mercury/ASC
Discussion with others. To be critically and sharply judged.

Mars = SAturn/ASC
Slow to make up one's mind. Slowed action.
Taking a strong stand against depression and inhibition; trying to put
things right. Struggling with inhibitions and control.

Mars = Sun/ASC
Persons who are not master of their emotions and are not under control in this regard.The fighting spirit

Moon = Node/ASc
Emotional bonds with others; sympathy; caring for others.

Moon = Pluto/ASC
Either a strong emotional response to one's environment. Or: wielding a
powerful psychic influence upon others.

Neptune = Mercury/Node
Difficult adjustment to community life; confusion about how to fit in.

Neptune = Mercury/Pluto
Over-sensitivity, the pursuit of peculiar plans.Uncertainty regarding the near future. Sneaky, uncertain conditions.

posted February 06, 2016 07:35 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I`ve always suspected them and found them to be powerful and very clear in symbolism of how you experience a certain event, and now came across that video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVoLMbM7iEU

So conjunctions and oppositions within tight orbs are the things to look out for in these composites.
It just struck me now however, that this means that actually the transit chart is REPEATING or rather MIRRORING your natal phase angle.

I tried that out with a marriage chart.
the man has Moon conjunct Saturn in the composite with the marriage chart at only 5 minutes of orb.

Turns out it is true, while he has a waxing Moon-saturn-square of about 56 minuttes in his natal, the Wedding chart has a waning Moon-Saturn-square of about 46 minutes.

So yes that fits (the angular distance has not always to be an aspect, it works with any distance, but here in this case it was an aspect)

For me the day when I received my official promotion actually had two of these occurrences (which are rare enough)

Uranus conjunct Neptune (0°07)

Sun conjunct Mercury 0°18

The Sun-Mercury conjunction was present in transit chart as well as in my natal chart.

The UranusNeptune-angle in my chart is not an actual aspect (38°35) - but there is a repetition of that phase transit wise, just that it is in the opposite phase (changed order of Neptune and Uranus).

In fact this Uranus-Neptune-occurrence is not so much specific of that day I got my promotion, but it is indicative of my current timeframe, as I`ve had this 1 degree conjunction for several months now and will have it for some more.

However if the orbs are as close as this for the conjunction/ composite, they will also activate the same midpoints within that transit-composite-chart, and THOSE will be different for each event.

For example for the 5th november that Uranus/Neptune was no focal point for any midpoints at all

on 28th december:
Uranus = Neptune = Moon/Saturn

on 23rd january:

Uranus = Neptune = Venus/MC

and on the day of my promotion

Uranus = Neptune
= Venus/ASC (direct midpoint)
= Mars/Saturn (wide)
= Jupiter/Vertex

*
MO/SA Depressed mind. Discontentment or separation of female persons. Painful, strict or punctilious hours. Restrain. Separate. Despair. Depressed mind. Old, single, separated or unhappy woman. The hours one has to be alone. evening hours. Separates from the public. Self reserve. To be separated from the public.

MC/VE To have the power of attraction. To be attractive. One's hopes and wishes. To be fond of some thing. Sympathies. One's own personal attraction and affections. Love sentiments. One's own wishes. Affection. Fondness. Love union.

AS/VE Amorous acquaintances. To show evidence of love. Harmonious relations to the place. Lovable acquaintances. To be treated well by others. Others who tong for the native. Personal love connections and love unions. Love acquaintances.

MA/SA interruption of work. Hard work and focused energy.

So these midpoints definitely make a distinction in the various events.
Well in case you wonder about the ASC/Venus for my promotion, my boss appreciates me a lot and seemed even happier than me myself over my promotion. In fact for me it was a bit of a weird moment.

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posted February 06, 2016 09:03 AM            

Mar,

first of all such an exact alignment is of course asking for your attention and very significant.
Technically it means that the First meeting chart (the transits) reproduce the same angle between Sun and Saturn as there is in the natal chart (just probably in reverse order. So if your natal chart has first Saturn and then Sun, the fmc would have Sun as the first planet and ten Saturn).

So it means that the day you met was the perfect day (in terms of timing) to manifest your natal Sun-Saturn-relationship.
As you have it inside your natal and personality, it appeared in the outside (since it was a first meeting chart, the relationship itself would become a reflection of that natal alignment for you).

This means that for you (or the person in question) the relationship will always carry that Sun-Saturn-signature to a major degree.

How that manifest in reality of course also depends on how you deal with Sun-Saturn in your natal; some people have an easier time with it than others.

However though nothing should be interpreted in isolation, one manifestation could actually be a downright rejection or refusal "to go there", SAturn putting up seemingly impossibly boundaries and defenses.
With it being an opposition, I think it is entirely possibly that these obstacles can come from the outside, too, external sources. Timing is off, circumstances not right, one of you already committed to someone else, geographically far away, having other obligations etc.

Different manifestations could also be that this is not really posing an impossibility or disinterest and rejection of the relationship itself, but that there will be delays and obstacles and a lot of time to cross before it can take off the ground.
For it to take off the ground it needs a lot of dedication, patience, focus and time and sincerity.

The stellium you mentioned is very wide, esp. Mercury to VEnus, however Sun sems to be placed near the midpoint of Mercury/Venus. so this is definitely important. Of course it means that Saturn opposes the Mercury/Venus-mp as well.

In this instance I`d say that there is a very idealistic, friendly, sweet vibe present and an affectionate interest in the relationship (so the possibility that Saturn opposite Saturn might simply indicate that the person does not like the other one, seems to be not true in this case).
There is potential for loving interest, communication, talking sweet nothings, flirtativeness, even artistic interests and so on, a genuine liking and maybe even lovingness, though mixed with friendship and common interest. So with Saturn opposing this, I get more the feeling about the timing often not being right, the person feeling at times awkward and insecure, maybe fearing the other one wuld not reciprocrate their sympathy and interest. Or other people and other obligations putting a damper on them and delaying the development of a beautiful romantic friendship and relationship.

On the other hand, the same aspect might also give the endurance and will to see it through, wait, let things unfold in their own time - at snailpace usually- and prove a lot of dedication and patience and loyalty. It will probably quite difficult to break the bond, even though it will be a rather challenging one, that involves a lot of work to "get it going".

Well these are my ideas.

Here are official midpoint interpretations for Sun= Saturn = Mercury/Venus.

SUN TO MIDPOINT MERCURY/VENUS
Awareness of things beautiful; the arts;
Personal meeting or greeting of friends or new acquaintances. Sympathy. Compassion. Thoughts of love. Talking about love and relationship.

posted February 06, 2016 09:21 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Lotis White:

And when we look at the composites of both people in a relationship, to what's happening at certain times, it could be very illuminating as to how the same event can be significant to each person for different reasons.

---

That is exactly WHY I am looking at it. It is very enlightening and explains different responses to the same situation quite well. Though I always include the midpoints (within 1°30 approximately) that are connected to the planets in tight conjunction or opposition (2°00 - not as strict as Cochrane here ). And well personally I also include the square, though there is a distinction in meaning. The conjunction and opposition exactly reproducing and reflecting the natal phasal angle, so sort of giving a timing for the manifestation of that natal aspect. While the square might be more like a "waking call" or a stab in the side, or a push, not quite reproducing the same aspect phase, but still making you pay attention.

When my Mum met my Dad, her event-composite had an exact Sun-Venus-conjunction. Of course reproducing her natal Sun-Venus-aspect,s o a good time to meet a potential romantic partner that would "fulfil" that natal promise as it is written into her own chart.

When they got married her composite with the marriage chart had a triple conjunction of Sun, Moon and Mars.

Mars 17°09 Leo
Moon 17°35 Leo
Sun 18°11 Leo

funny enough, opposing my natal Moon on 17°06 Aquarius, and falling close to their composite Pluto-ASC-conjunction (I think it must have been on the midpoint even or near to it).

Under the umbrella of this triple conjunction this was the main midpoint-picture it brought with it:

Mars = Moon = Sun = Venus/MC
1°12 = 0°47 = 0°10

It is - in midpoint language - one of the clearest combinations and indications for a marriage of love (and with the purpose of having a family), which summarizes her take on why she felt she wanted to get married to my Dad perfectly.

MARS TO MIDPOINT VENUS/M.C.
Impulsive expression of creativity or of the sex urge. A sex-union. Sexual attraction and desire. Procreation.

MOON TO MIDPOINT VENUS/M.C.
Deep feeling of romance, a warm-hearted and cordial disposition, a
motherly nature, the typically female qualities.

SUN TO MIDPOINT VENUS/M.C.
the desire to catch lime-light, the
expectation of admiration from other people; confident sense of
attractiveness; success. The bliss of being loved by another person.

Of course it being a triple conjunction it also contains

Mars = Sun/Moon 0°43
Moon = Sun/Mars 0°05
Sun = Moon/mars 0°49

MARS TO MIDPOINT SUN/MOON
Energetic interplay of Yin and Yang for better or worse. Sexual urge.
Drive for partnership or union.
Marriage. Wedlock. The act of marriage. A marriage of reproduction

MOON TO MIDPOINT SUN/MARS
Desire for marriage. emotional bond with the husband.

SUN TO MIDPOINT MOON/MARS
The working bond within a marriage, particularly felt by the wife. Prosperity through relationship and
cooperation.

Additionally NN is conjunct DESC within 2 degrees, and both on the Venus/Saturn-midpoing, while the official interpretations would not be very positive (they really do not like Saturn. lol), I think it shows the dedication and sincerity of that romantic (DESC) bond (NN).
It also reflect the fact that synastrically her Venus is EXACT conjunct his Saturn (and ASC).

posted February 06, 2016 09:24 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
And there I thought I would be entertaining only myself

Mar,

first of all such an exact alignment is of course asking for your attention and very significant.
Technically it means that the First meeting chart (the transits) reproduce the same angle between Sun and Saturn as there is in the natal chart (just probably in reverse order. So if your natal chart has first Saturn and then Sun, the fmc would have Sun as the first planet and ten Saturn).

So it means that the day you met was the perfect day (in terms of timing) to manifest your natal Sun-Saturn-relationship.
As you have it inside your natal and personality, it appeared in the outside (since it was a first meeting chart, the relationship itself would become a reflection of that natal alignment for you).

This means that for you (or the person in question) the relationship will always carry that Sun-Saturn-signature to a major degree.

How that manifest in reality of course also depends on how you deal with Sun-Saturn in your natal; some people have an easier time with it than others.

However though nothing should be interpreted in isolation, one manifestation could actually be a downright rejection or refusal "to go there", SAturn putting up seemingly impossibly boundaries and defenses.
With it being an opposition, I think it is entirely possibly that these obstacles can come from the outside, too, external sources. Timing is off, circumstances not right, one of you already committed to someone else, geographically far away, having other obligations etc.

Different manifestations could also be that this is not really posing an impossibility or disinterest and rejection of the relationship itself, but that there will be delays and obstacles and a lot of time to cross before it can take off the ground.
For it to take off the ground it needs a lot of dedication, patience, focus and time and sincerity.

The stellium you mentioned is very wide, esp. Mercury to VEnus, however Sun sems to be placed near the midpoint of Mercury/Venus. so this is definitely important. Of course it means that Saturn opposes the Mercury/Venus-mp as well.

In this instance I`d say that there is a very idealistic, friendly, sweet vibe present and an affectionate interest in the relationship (so the possibility that Saturn opposite Saturn might simply indicate that the person does not like the other one, seems to be not true in this case).
There is potential for loving interest, communication, talking sweet nothings, flirtativeness, even artistic interests and so on, a genuine liking and maybe even lovingness, though mixed with friendship and common interest. So with Saturn opposing this, I get more the feeling about the timing often not being right, the person feeling at times awkward and insecure, maybe fearing the other one wuld not reciprocrate their sympathy and interest. Or other people and other obligations putting a damper on them and delaying the development of a beautiful romantic friendship and relationship.

On the other hand, the same aspect might also give the endurance and will to see it through, wait, let things unfold in their own time - at snailpace usually- and prove a lot of dedication and patience and loyalty. It will probably quite difficult to break the bond, even though it will be a rather challenging one, that involves a lot of work to "get it going".

Well these are my ideas.

Here are official midpoint interpretations for Sun= Saturn = Mercury/Venus.

SUN TO MIDPOINT MERCURY/VENUS
Awareness of things beautiful; the arts;
Personal meeting or greeting of friends or new acquaintances. Sympathy. Compassion. Thoughts of love. Talking about love and relationship.

SATURN TO MIDPOINT MERCURY/VENUS
A serious attitude to life, maturation, trimming down ideals to be
more practical, contemplation in retirement or solitude, creative activity
under quiet conditions.
Acquaintance with older or more serious people.

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posted February 06, 2016 09:31 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
And there I thought I would be entertaining only myself

Mar,

first of all such an exact alignment is of course asking for your attention and very significant.
Technically it means that the First meeting chart (the transits) reproduce the same angle between Sun and Saturn as there is in the natal chart (just probably in reverse order. So if your natal chart has first Saturn and then Sun, the fmc would have Sun as the first planet and ten Saturn).

So it means that the day you met was the perfect day (in terms of timing) to manifest your natal Sun-Saturn-relationship.
As you have it inside your natal and personality, it appeared in the outside (since it was a first meeting chart, the relationship itself would become a reflection of that natal alignment for you).

This means that for you (or the person in question) the relationship will always carry that Sun-Saturn-signature to a major degree.

How that manifest in reality of course also depends on how you deal with Sun-Saturn in your natal; some people have an easier time with it than others.

However though nothing should be interpreted in isolation, one manifestation could actually be a downright rejection or refusal "to go there", SAturn putting up seemingly impossibly boundaries and defenses.
With it being an opposition, I think it is entirely possibly that these obstacles can come from the outside, too, external sources. Timing is off, circumstances not right, one of you already committed to someone else, geographically far away, having other obligations etc.

Different manifestations could also be that this is not really posing an impossibility or disinterest and rejection of the relationship itself, but that there will be delays and obstacles and a lot of time to cross before it can take off the ground.
For it to take off the ground it needs a lot of dedication, patience, focus and time and sincerity.

The stellium you mentioned is very wide, esp. Mercury to VEnus, however Sun sems to be placed near the midpoint of Mercury/Venus. so this is definitely important. Of course it means that Saturn opposes the Mercury/Venus-mp as well.

In this instance I`d say that there is a very idealistic, friendly, sweet vibe present and an affectionate interest in the relationship (so the possibility that Saturn opposite Saturn might simply indicate that the person does not like the other one, seems to be not true in this case).
There is potential for loving interest, communication, talking sweet nothings, flirtativeness, even artistic interests and so on, a genuine liking and maybe even lovingness, though mixed with friendship and common interest. So with Saturn opposing this, I get more the feeling about the timing often not being right, the person feeling at times awkward and insecure, maybe fearing the other one wuld not reciprocrate their sympathy and interest. Or other people and other obligations putting a damper on them and delaying the development of a beautiful romantic friendship and relationship.

On the other hand, the same aspect might also give the endurance and will to see it through, wait, let things unfold in their own time - at snailpace usually- and prove a lot of dedication and patience and loyalty. It will probably quite difficult to break the bond, even though it will be a rather challenging one, that involves a lot of work to "get it going".

Well these are my ideas.

Here are official midpoint interpretations for Sun= Saturn = Mercury/Venus.

SUN TO MIDPOINT MERCURY/VENUS
Awareness of things beautiful; the arts;
Personal meeting or greeting of friends or new acquaintances. Sympathy. Compassion. Thoughts of love. Talking about love and relationship.

SATURN TO MIDPOINT MERCURY/VENUS
A serious attitude to life, maturation, trimming down ideals to be
more practical, contemplation in retirement or solitude, creative activity
under quiet conditions.
Acquaintance with older or more serious people.

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Actually, now that I am thinking about it, if we take only conjunctions and oppositions into consideration, what could this composite of my natal and fmc possibly indicate?
There aren't so many conjunctions or oppositions, apart from Moon cj. Vertex (a bit wide for vertex I think?) and Mars opposite chiron.

Here is the composite of my natal and the fmc

[IMG]http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah34/eutuxianikol/COMPOSITE%20M%20FMC_zp skevaq7wr.gif[/IMG]

And here is the composite of his natal and the fmc (I really wonder what this yod could possibly mean, if it has any meaning at all, since we look only for conjunctions/oppositions)

[IMG]http://i1376.photobucket.com/albums/ah34/eutuxianikol/COMPOSITE%20P%20FMC_zp scc0bak1d.gif[/IMG]

Many many thanks again!!!

posted February 06, 2016 09:43 AM            

I just compared my Solar Return with Mr Sunnya's and I don't even know what to say. I am totally

posted February 06, 2016 09:46 AM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I am happy my interpretation reasonated so much, especially since I knew NOTHING about your relationshhip/ connection before.
It seems to support that composite-theory and also the midpoints.
My "loving friendship" interpretation was based on the wide conjunction of Sun-Mercury-Venus, but more so on Sun falling onto the Mercury/Venus-midpoint.

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posted February 06, 2016 09:57 AM            

- Moon conjunct Vertex (it`s a bit widish, but still valid I think); so a surprising encounter that affected you emotionally

- Moon also widely opposing Neptune, it might have been too wide, buuuut in your case we find

Uranus/Neptune-mp on 4°48 Aquarius, which opposes Moon on 3°51 Leo with just a bit under one degree and Vertex with 1°10 orb, so the complete midpoint picture of thsi would look like this

Vertex = Moon = Uranus/Neptune

following this meeting did you have some paranormal/ superntural experiences?

Uranus/Neptune is a fascinating midpoint. It is bewildering and a bit weird and strange, but somehow catapults you into another dimension of emotional experiences (here I speak of emotional because of the involvement of the Moon).
There might be quite a bit of dreaminess and confusion here, too, though. Like you donīt really know if you can trust what you feel, or if you are losing yourself in a fantasy.
And the risk is there, of course, but it could as well be a highly spiritual connection (felt on your end).

It is interesting how this seemingly contradicts HIS composite connection with the master of reality, Saturn.

- Jupiter-Juno-opposition might give you the feeling this man is serious marriage material though

There are some squares

° Pluto - Node
° Saturn- Neptune

Not sure exactly about these, but so far I think they bring a lot of dynamic, being kathartic and pushing you towards experiences, but without them being a manifestation of your natal chart (only conjunction and opposition are reproductions of your natal aspects)

If I am not wrong then Neptune opposes the Venus/Jupiter-mp and Saturn squares it, which puts a lot of pressure on being able to enjoy the romance and happiness.
It`s like there is a lot of idealism and hopes and faith in a happy romantic future and just being sort of magically romanticiszed at the same time as the relationship itself seems to put a damper on even that romantic joy, bringing pessimism and disillusion into it, almost sniffing the joy in the bud.
The emotional responses into each direction (optimism / pessimism) seem to be exaggerated and the truth might be somewhere in the middle. Of course working with this constructively it can be a very idealistic, yet real and stable romantic joyful bond. But it looks a little unbalanced, and well I hope it is not true, but Saturn-Neptune is one of the usual suspects in indicating depressions (though usually this happens more in relation to Moon and / or Mercury), but I could imagine your moods and feelings about this going up and down quite frequently.

posted February 06, 2016 10:03 AM            

yes I have been thinking about Solar eturns too, but was deciding to stick first to a method I had seen working quite a few times before, and then found the video I posted. lol

And yes I am often flabbergasted with this method.

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Originally posted by Sunnya:

I don't even know where to start with all these aspects in composites and such. Better to just read and learn lol.

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Start with conjunctions/ Oppositions within 2° orb ONLY.
Add to them (that is different to Cochranes method) the really close squares (2° orb, at most).

If you have identified those (sometimes you will not find even one btw, which is telling as well; I guess 2 or 3 might be around the normal number, if speaking of conjunctions/ oppositions, with squares maybe a few more, but really not that much more than a handful usually, unless it is a really marked time for you - eventful).

Anyway if you have identified the conjunctions/ oppositions in particular, but also the squares,
check the midpoint table (Ebertin on astro.com), if those planets in conjunction, opposition or square SHARE midpoints within about 1°30 orb. Those will elaborate some more on the aspect you found.

posted February 06, 2016 10:12 AM            

Event-composite Person A
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° Moon conjunct Pluto 1°19
° Saturn conjunct DESC 0°42
° Saturn square MC 1°02

midpoints
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Moon = Pluto = Mercury/MC = Sun/MC

* Moon = Sun/MC is 1°50, so I hesitate to consider it, but Pluto = Sun/MC is only 0°31. Both are direct midpoints, too, so conjunction or opposition, so they are even more significant

Saturn = ASC = MC = Moon/Node
* all under one degree

Saturn = ASC = MC = Pluto / Node
* MC = Pluto / NOde at 1°35

Saturn = ASC = Venus/Node
* Saturn on Venus/Node at 1°35

interestingly these midpoing pictures pull the main conjunctions in composite chart (Moon-Pluto and Saturn-DESC) together, in this instance through the Node in particular.

I then also check which other planets combine the conjuncting/ opposing planets within midpoint pictures, so here I look for a planet that has midpoint pictures with both, Moon and Pluto, and with Saturn and ASC simultaneously, which is true for:

Jupiter=Moon/Saturn = Saturn/Pluto
Uranus = Saturn/MC = ASC/MC
Mercury= Neptune/ASC = Saturn/Neptune

and because I am a sucker for midpoints, the direct ones receive a honorary mentioning

Pluto= Moon/Venus
Venus= Sun/MC = Mars/Uranus (1°34 both)
Node= Mercury/URanus = Sun/Uranus = Mercury/Neptune

posted February 06, 2016 10:14 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
In your composite as far as I can see there is:

- Moon conjunct Vertex (it`s a bit widish, but still valid I think); so a surprising encounter that affected you emotionally

- Moon also widely opposing Neptune, it might have been too wide, buuuut in your case we find

Uranus/Neptune-mp on 4°48 Aquarius, which opposes Moon on 3°51 Leo with just a bit under one degree and Vertex with 1°10 orb, so the complete midpoint picture of thsi would look like this

Vertex = Moon = Uranus/Neptune

following this meeting did you have some paranormal/ superntural experiences?

Uranus/Neptune is a fascinating midpoint. It is bewildering and a bit weird and strange, but somehow catapults you into another dimension of emotional experiences (here I speak of emotional because of the involvement of the Moon).
There might be quite a bit of dreaminess and confusion here, too, though. Like you donīt really know if you can trust what you feel, or if you are losing yourself in a fantasy.
And the risk is there, of course, but it could as well be a highly spiritual connection (felt on your end).

It is interesting how this seemingly contradicts HIS composite connection with the master of reality, Saturn.

- Jupiter-Juno-opposition might give you the feeling this man is serious marriage material though

There are some squares

° Pluto - Node
° Saturn- Neptune

Not sure exactly about these, but so far I think they bring a lot of dynamic, being kathartic and pushing you towards experiences, but without them being a manifestation of your natal chart (only conjunction and opposition are reproductions of your natal aspects)

If I am not wrong then Neptune opposes the Venus/Jupiter-mp and Saturn squares it, which puts a lot of pressure on being able to enjoy the romance and happiness.
It`s like there is a lot of idealism and hopes and faith in a happy romantic future and just being sort of magically romanticiszed at the same time as the relationship itself seems to put a damper on even that romantic joy, bringing pessimism and disillusion into it, almost sniffing the joy in the bud.
The emotional responses into each direction (optimism / pessimism) seem to be exaggerated and the truth might be somewhere in the middle. Of course working with this constructively it can be a very idealistic, yet real and stable romantic joyful bond. But it looks a little unbalanced, and well I hope it is not true, but Saturn-Neptune is one of the usual suspects in indicating depressions (though usually this happens more in relation to Moon and / or Mercury), but I could imagine your moods and feelings about this going up and down quite frequently.

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"Vertex = Moon = Uranus/Neptune

following this meeting did you have some paranormal/ superntural experiences?"

I don't believe that you said that!!!
I have never experienced paranormal activities before, but yes, there definitely was something going on. All this time I try to find an astrological explanation for this, but I thought it might be only the Vertex - NN conjunction in synastry! It was some sort of telepathy, an electric feeling, like I was absolutely sure of the exact moment he was thinking of me! And some weird semi-dream state during which I had two visions and one dialogue in my mind (at least 3 major incidents and reaaally a lot minor ones). These incidents actually manifested in reality either some days later or many months later! I thought I was going crazy, I didn't believe in such things so much before!

You said "Like you donīt really know if you can trust what you feel, or if you are losing yourself in a fantasy." This is sooo accurate!

"The emotional responses into each direction (optimism / pessimism) seem to be exaggerated " Exactly to the point, again! After some point I felt that I couldn't handle the situation "normally", I was drained by my own mood swings!

" But it looks a little unbalanced, and well I hope it is not true, but Saturn-Neptune is one of the usual suspects in indicating depressions" . Yes, unfortunately, you could say that, too, but my interest in astrology (maybe spirituality as you mentioned) has helped me a lot I guess (hope?) !

"There are some squares

° Pluto - Node
° Saturn- Neptune

Not sure exactly about these, but so far I think they bring a lot of dynamic, being kathartic and pushing you towards experiences, but without them being a manifestation of your natal chart (only conjunction and opposition are reproductions of your natal aspects)"

What should I look in my natal? EDIT : Ok, now I understood, you said that since these are squares, they are NOT a manifestation of my natal chart. Did I get it right?

posted February 06, 2016 10:19 AM            

midpoints:

Jupiter = Vertex = Mars/Pluto
Vertex= MC = Venus/Mars
Node= Neptune= Moon = Sun/Saturn
Moon = Uranus/Neptune
Moon = Neptune = Node/ASC
Moon = ASC = Uranus/Neptune

plus

Mercury = Sun/Node = Sun/Moon
* as you remember he had Moon conjunct NN in the composite, so the combination of Sun and mercury here highlighted that combo again

Sun = Venus/Node = Venus/Moon = Pluto/ASC = Moon/Pluto (wide 1°53 - but a direct mp)
* here the Sun and Venus highlight the triple combo of Moon-Node-DESC, in fact I should mention this here as well

posted February 06, 2016 01:18 PM            

Cool, isn't it?

posted February 06, 2016 01:38 PM            

Also interesting that some of his natal positions touch or even conjunct this composite positions and I think some midpoints too, but this I still have to confirm. I am a bit overwhelmed haha.

posted February 06, 2016 02:32 PM            

"I don't believe that you said that!!!
I have never experienced paranormal activities before, but yes, there definitely was something going on."
Haha. Yes, Uranus/Neptune to me is a very paranormal midpoint, when all bizarre stuff can happen.
That does not fit the usual categories.
Also I remembered after meeting Mr Sag I was having the most surreal bizarre night. Like you said, overhearing his voice in my head. I mean HEARING him speak inside my head, like an echo from far away, and just that weird electricity. I was thinking I might be on hte verge of a stroke and would die that night. I did not of course. And by now I almost got used to those strange things happening after being in his proximity.

Dunno if he has it too, but sometimes he looks at me as if he is a bit weirded out, and sometimes he can`t quite meet my gaze, usually the night after I was having rather intense dreams of him. lol
Almost feels like he might remembered them too and being a tiny little bit embarassed.

Interestingly however it was HIM who was having the Uranus/Neptune-conjunction with the composite of the first meeting (though I do have it in the current timeframe)

Just found it funny how when we first met, his fmc-composite showed:

Uranus 22°47 Capricorn
Neptune 22°21 Capricorn

activating

Venus/MC 22°23 Cap
Venus/Jupiter 21°23 Cap

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And last time I saw him

I was having in the composite with that moment

Uranus 23°57 Capricorn
Neptune 23°42 Capricorn
(also square Vx on 24°54 Aries)

It`s been many years later of course, but the current timeframe seems to reflect the first meeting in several ways.

BTW interestingly our composite Moon is on 22°52 Cap, his Venus on 25°55 Cap and my Sun/Moon-mp and Antivertex on 21°31 Cap.

Additionally my ASC conjuncts his natal Uranus/Neptune-mp exact to the minute, so I wouldnīt be surprised if he had some weird bizarre occurrences concerning me as well.

I guess though for me the paranormal experiences after meeting him had more to do with the Neptune-NN-conjunction in the composite with fmc, and actually my natal has Neptune-NN conjunction exact, and the first meeting chart had the transiting Neptune-NN-conjunction (and Jupiter was ont he Venus/Node and Venus/Neptune-mp). And Neptune-NN on the Sun/Pluto-mp)

Oh and NN on the Uranus/Neptune-mp. Yeah, I guess that fits. lol

(that NN in my fmc-composite being one minute of orb conjunct our composite Venus and opposing my n Saturn by 5 minutes)

" but I thought it might be only the Vertex - NN conjunction in synastry!"
The Vertex-NN-conjunction is BIG, but I don`t think responsible or indicative of that alone.
Vertex and NN emphasize what tuoches them, so unless there is a planet connected to those, it might be just a vague buzzing in the underground, but without real direction.

posted February 06, 2016 02:36 PM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
Actually, I just saw that this sun-venus conjunction in his composite natal-fmc is on his natal sun/moon midpoint!!! His sun/moon midpoint is in 23 40' Aries and the composite venus is in 24 56' Aries, the sun in 21 49' Aries. I guess this is even more significant! Like it validates the instant affectionate loving feelings from his side?
Moreover, are midpoints with vertex also valid? I mean I just saw that in his composite natal-fmc the moon-vertex midpoint (about 5o Leo) is exactly opposite to uranus (5 42' Aqua). Does this indicate a weird, maybe "paranormal" connection from his side, too? I dont believe I seriously discuss these stuff!!!

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Vertex might be valid in midpoints. NOt sure yet (I do mostly use it as focal point, so Vertex conjunct the midpoint of other planets for example).

Uranus on its own might bring flashes of insight, but not necessarily paranormal experiences/ perceptions, it is specifically the combination with Neptune that makes this very "supernatural".