posted April 12, 2016 02:12 PM            

My EVC for a moment this morning when he sent me a text thanking me for 'everything.' I had just texted him a very honest text about the importance of feeling trust and security as well as a sense of joy regarding space and autonomy within/from relationship. I felt i expressed some very important truths and am really healing in a big way in my life right now in terms of being liberated from dependence and separation anxiety. I think it shows in the chart.

posted April 12, 2016 02:19 PM            

Pluto is also at 15 Sag; his desc is 14 Sag and that's my Sun/Moon midpoint.

The Sun in this Marks chart (?) is pretty near exactly opposite our Davison/composite Sun.

Altogether another milestone moment for me in terms ofasserting my position and needs clearly. We see that with the Pluto Mercury trine I think although I know he said the real meat is in conjunctions and oppositions.

posted April 12, 2016 02:25 PM            

We see here his chart ruler Mercury conjunct my natal Mercury and square the nodes of the moon which fall along his natal MC/IC axis. Mars on his natal South Node may be blasting old patterns and illuminating them somehow, whereas Uranus on the SN of the EVC is also very telling... Uranus is conjunct his desc ruler Jupiter and his desc itself natally and contributes to his push/pull tendencies in relationship, his fear of dependency also corroborated by a 7th house South Node conjunct Neptune in Sagittarius. So this is an important issue and a turning point for him; my words in my text were

"... There's a need for gentleness and full communication, acknowledging the willingness and desire to be close, to trust and feel secure, and also the true joy in space and autonomy. To hold them both lovingly at once.. Something lots of people never learn to do, and relationships and people suffer for it."

speaks directly to the tension of his nodal path, 7th to 1st house, I realize. And this chart with his chart ruler square the nodes speaks to this pretty eloquently; I think he's still integrating the message and it's not easy but he has heard it.

Jupiter in this EVC is conjunct my descendant and opposite his Saturn, and 3 degrees from our composite NN.

Saturn on his East Point... IC/Venus on my Juno. MC on his draconic Venus and my draconic IC.

posted April 12, 2016 04:27 PM            

2Hmmm I think it's enough that your chart ruler is on his EVC Sun. It's the chart ruler!2

yes, and it`s in exact opposition with his own Mars-Jupiter-conjunction, which of course means HIS EVD (Event-Davison?) Sun is opposing MY EVD Sun-Venus-conjunction, connected to each others 1st house ruler. lol

"Natals and progressions connecting to Davison EVCs can confirm that whatever happens is related to us."
Yes, that is actually what I have been thinking, too.

BTW the author I mentioned also checks where the Davison (of a relationship) ASC and ASCruler fall into each partie`s natal chart. That is the theme that is being awakened for them.
I guess the same could work for the EVD`s as well.

So just as an example I used the eventchart for the last concert in february, when he was "watching" me/us and waving at us (apparently, I do not recall THIS part somehow).

Anyway my EVD of this had ASC on 17 Libra, with Venus on 23 Cancer on the MC, and additionally conjunct Mercury and opposing Neptune on the IC (Uranus was in wide conjunction to Neptune, too).
(interestingly enough HIS natal Venus is at 25 Capricorn, and his natal Pluto at 21 LIbra was widely conjunct the ASC).

Anyway so this EVD ASC fell into my 10th house (and remember the chartruler, Venus, was on the MC anyway!), and this very chartruler Venus fell into my natal 8th house conjunct my Vertex-Destinn-Eros (the conjunction to Destinn was most exact)

And it`s true I must have been VERY visible that moment. and somehow it seems nice that Venus was the chartruler.

Jupiter in that EVD was on 5 Sag, exactly conjunct my natal Mars, and falling into the EVD 2nd house - yes I experienced this moment as confirmation of my value maybe, plus I was eating at that time, very fitting for the 2nd house.

Interestingly enough the Moon of that EVD was PRECISLEY opposite my natal Sun with 0°00 orb!

posted April 12, 2016 04:31 PM            

Pluto was in the 1st house on 7 Sagittarius! Exactly conjunct my natal ASC - what the ...?
The EVD ASC btw was conjunct my progressed MC exact, and my name in my chart was conjunct his EVD DESC exact.

The traditional ruler Mars was on 28 Aquarius conjunct Jupiter on 27 Aquarius in 3rd house (on my natal Lilith exact )

the ASC itself fell into his 8th natal house (2 degrees off the cusp even), Pluto fell at the end of his natal 8th house, but conjunct 9th house cusp; Mars fell into his 12th house.

Isn´t it interesting that for both of us the ASC ruler fell into the natal 8th house?
Some sort of transformational deep stuff being unearthed?
Also it sort of amuses me that the ruler of my EVD was Venus, and his was Pluto/Mars.

his natal chartruler, neptune, in this Davison was on 29 Capricorn in 3rd house conjunct Sun. Almost like that is what it was EXACTLY about for him. a form of contact/ communication and with Sun that was central of the moment.

his second natal chartruler, Mars was on 28 Aquarius (see how it seems like he was approaching the ending of a cycle and transitioning into new signs with his rulers?) in intercepted Aquarius in 3rd house, conjunct Jupiter (which curiously enough is MY natal chartruler - I wonder if MY natal chartruler as it shows up in HIS EVD indicates how he experienced MY presence. lol)

Well If I try that out for MY EVD and his natal chartrulers. Neptune in my EVD was right on the IC, and Mars in Libra in my 12th house - and well to be honest I didn`t see him coming, he seemed to appear out of nowwhere, and if my aquaintance had not pointed out he was standing outside and looking at us (while having a smoke), I might not even have noticed. lol
Of course both water houses, I felt rather impacted emotionally by his presence.

But despite that, I actually really rather place my actual natal placements into those charts to see my connection with them. I mean Jupiter might be my natal ruler, but that does not exclude the possibility it could also represent someone or something else.

however seeing something like the chartruler of HIS EVD falling EXACTLY onto my natal ASC - NOW I am listening!

I also can see how the relevant planets of the EVD falling into natal houses might impact these areas for us. so my EVD ASC in my 10th house with the ruler in my 8th house - yes I can see that!

What do you think?

posted April 12, 2016 04:42 PM            

In fact Jupiter in HIS EVD is on 6 PIsces on the DESC and widely conjunct Sun and as I already mentioned the Sun is on my natal chatzruler exact and that EVD-Jupiter is square my n ASC exact and additionally conjunct my natal Pholus exact (something out of the blue?)

"Well the context where we will meet in the weekend is again at his work and what he does everyday, perhaps that's what 6th house means here "
Yes, makes totally sense then!

I also noticed that you both have a mutual reception between the rulers of ASC and DESC in your respective EVD.
Even if there should not be some kind of visible connection happening, it seems like there is a strong resonance and mutual awareness and reception of each other going on!

I wonder if for him the situation will maybe have something to do with art/ creativity, because of LIbra at ASC?
If not, then it will be a strongly relationship oriented one I guess.

posted April 12, 2016 08:10 PM            

BUT

posted April 13, 2016 02:10 AM            

"The Davison chart is a midpoint chart in time and space. We say that a lot, too, without explaining it. Davison discovered that if you calculate the exact point in time and the exact point in space between any two birth charts, the resulting chart was a powerful tool. It’s a midpoint chart that is not theoretical, but anchored in real space and real time. If you were born in 1950 and I was born in 1960, our Davison chart would occur in 1955. The chart is calculated from the adjusted birth time and place. (The birthplace may end up in the middle of the ocean; it doesn’t matter.) Is this also a chart of the relationship? Yes, it is. Is it different from the midpoint chart? Some say no, just work with them and pick your preference. I say yes, they are different, for a good reason.

The midpoint chart is a powerful map of an energetic pattern–our hotspots as a couple. It’s our charisma, our union, who we are when we are together. It is inner-oriented, focused around the pure expression of the energy that occurs when our two like planets meet. The Davison, like all time/space charts, is anchored not in pure expression, but in physical reality. It describes who we are together within our particular life circumstances. Therefore the Davison chart is expressed through the physical reality of our lives. It sees our relationship being acted upon by circumstances, places, other entities/beings involved in the partnership. It has a life of its own, and can be progressed the way any normal chart is progressed, because it has a real time and a real place to anchor it. (Progressed midpoint charts consist of taking the two individual progressed charts and making a midpoint chart from them.) Now here comes the big question, which is more valid? I say both, and I use them both, in different circumstances, depending on the questions being asked of the partnership.

Since the Davison reflects the physical here and now (it’s still a theoretical chart, but it’s grounded in mundane reality) I prefer to use it for physical here and now questions. Mother-in-law issues, or kids driving you both crazy? Davison. Is a move going to affect our relationship? Davison. A third party invading our relationship? Davison to get the picture, and the midpoint chart to figure out why. We feel as if we’re coming apart at the seams, everything is dissolving. Midpoint. We’ve headed into a good patch in our relationship, how long will it last? Midpoint (and Davison if there are specific causes for the good vibes–new job, etc.).

Both charts are highly sensitive to transits (both the actual composites and progressed composites). And both charts are extremely revealing when you put the natal charts around the composite in a biwheel to see how each person reacts to the relationship dynamic (more on this later). Putting a triwheel in place with transits and one of the natal charts will give you an instant, clear picture of one person’s experience of the relationship, and show you how the transit affects both the individual and the partnership." http://theinnerwheel.com/2012/04/18/composite-charts-etched-in-stone-or-sand/

If that is true, and some astrologers probably would say composite and Davison are really basically the same and hence disagree with the differentiation, but let`s just try it out this way, if that is true, then I think Davison might be more EVENTORIENTED and showing TANGIBLE RESULTS in our PHYSICAL REALITY.

Example:
in an event-composite I have Sun conjunct Venus: I might be receptive to love and open to fall in love and hence experience falling in love.

same Sun-Venus-conjunction in an event Davison, I might either DEMONSTRATE my appreciation for something or someone or might be receiving such.

In fact I had a Sun-Venus-conjunction in the Event-Davison of the concert last friday, and at the end of it I was - of course just as part of the show - given a rose. (Sun/Venus).

Funny enough I took a peek at the Davison for next sunday (for the event with the "open theatre") and seriously that Davison really surprised me

This is the Davison of next sunday

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and this the composite

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BTW while I have no idea when or if any event will be taking place and I will be there for a few hours, from one hour after the actual start there will be a Libra ASC until the end (and I will be leaving before that I guess), which makes for me Venus the chartruler for several hours.

That exact Sun-Venus-conjunction in Leo really gobsmacked me to be honest, especially as apex of a Yod PLUS APEX of a T-square.

Interestingly the "composite guy" (remember the story?) is said to be partly responsible for the music program there so I might see him on a stage for some minutes (which will be the first time in 6 years), and it made me almost laugh but his natal Uranus falls right onto this Sun-Venus-conjunction in my Event-Davison, and my own Lilith is exact opposite, so on the release point.

If I were to see Mr Sag that day, I`d have an idea how that might play out.
In fact curiously enought my Davison Sun-Venus-conjunction is placed on the exact Antivertex in both, Mr Sag`s and my composite AND Davison (composite has Psyche on 24 Aquarius additionally, Davison has an exact Isis-osiris-conjunction on 25 Leo - to bad I am not going to see him next weekend. Should have proved interesting at least. )

posted April 13, 2016 09:17 AM            

"BTW the author I mentioned also checks where the Davison (of a relationship) ASC and ASCruler fall into each partie`s natal chart. That is the theme that is being awakened for them."
"And it`s true I must have been VERY visible that moment. and somehow it seems nice that Venus was the chartruler."
"Interestingly enough the Moon of that EVD was PRECISLEY opposite my natal Sun with 0°00 orb!"

This is awesome! So it all matches nicely with what actually happened. Not only with how you felt but what were the situations that made you feel like that (Composite + Davison. :O

"For him the EVD had an ASC on 16 Scorpio conjunct Chiron on 17 Scorpio.
Which seems strangely intense. lol Not completely sure about the Chiron there though. "

Hmm interesting.

"What do you think?"
Lilith! Mars/Jupiter had to be conjunct your Lilith and exact hahaha. It just had to be. Oh the temptations.

"the ASC itself fell into his 8th natal house (2 degrees off the cusp even), Pluto fell at the end of his natal 8th house, but conjunct 9th house cusp; Mars fell into his 12th house."
This seems to go a long with the ASC/Chiron theme. There was something being healed or being brought to the surface on him.

Isn´t it interesting that for both of us the ASC ruler fell into the natal 8th house?
Some sort of transformational deep stuff being unearthed?
Also it sort of amuses me that the ruler of my EVD was Venus, and his was Pluto/Mars.

his natal chartruler, neptune, in this Davison was on 29 Capricorn in 3rd house conjunct Sun. Almost like that is what it was EXACTLY about for him. a form of contact/ communication and with Sun that was central of the moment.

"his second natal chartruler, Mars was on 28 Aquarius (see how it seems like he was approaching the ending of a cycle and transitioning into new signs with his rulers?) in intercepted Aquarius in 3rd house, conjunct Jupiter (which curiously enough is MY natal chartruler - I wonder if MY natal chartruler as it shows up in HIS EVD indicates how he experienced MY presence. lol)"
I wanted to ask you that too!! What would our own chart rulers represent then on their EVDs. I agree that supposedly it should show how we affect them including the aspects they make in their EVD. Plus if our chart ruler aspects their EVD chart ruler and their natal chart ruler in their EVD!

"Of course both water houses, I felt rather impacted emotionally by his presence.

But despite that, I actually really rather place my actual natal placements into those charts to see my connection with them. I mean Jupiter might be my natal ruler, but that does not exclude the possibility it could also represent someone or something else.

however seeing something like the chartruler of HIS EVD falling EXACTLY onto my natal ASC - NOW I am listening!

I also can see how the relevant planets of the EVD falling into natal houses might impact these areas for us. so my EVD ASC in my 10th house with the ruler in my 8th house - yes I can see that!"

Yes!!
Yup 8th house again. That day seemed to have impacted you both significantly.

I really think we can have a feeling of how a meeting/event is going to affect us with the EVC + EVD. It feels like the EVD complete the EVC information and I really like that we can use both to have a clearer picture. This is so much fun too!

"In fact Jupiter in HIS EVD is on 6 PIsces on the DESC and widely conjunct Sun and as I already mentioned the Sun is on my natal chatzruler exact and that EVD-Jupiter is square my n ASC exact and additionally conjunct my natal Pholus exact (something out of the blue?)"
Something good (Jupiter) that explodes out of the blue!

-- Wow I missed that mutual reception, nice!

And no, the situation for him is not related with art/creativity. So relationship oriented makes sense .

posted April 13, 2016 01:30 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Sunnya:
Adding up and following the logic of the article about the chart ruler, I went to check our own Davison and what our respective chart rulers are doing... They are conjunct by 1º!!

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Wow! Amazing.
What are they doing in the Marks-chart i wonder?

However now that you pointed it out....

in our basic Davison (not marks chart)

(remember my chartruler is Jupiter, his are Neptune and Mars).

Neptune 14°24 Sagittarius in 11th house
Jupiter 16°59 Gemini in 5th house

So our chartrulers are opposite each other on the 5th/ 11th house axis!
In fact it makes sense they are opposite as synastrically my chartruler Jupiter opposes his intercepted 1st house ruler Mars and the traditional ruler of his Pisces, ASC, Jupiter within one degree at most.

Interestingly in Davison there is

Mercury: 14°27 Gemini

conjunct Jupiter and opposite Neptune

And Mercury rules the natal DESC for both of us!!!

Well DAvison-Mars is NOT part of this (his intercepted 1st house ruler is Mars after all), it is on 9 Taurus, but well it is conjunct Venus on 11 Taurus in Davison

BTW that opposition of the Mercury-Jupiter-conjunction Gemini in 5th house and Neptune in Sag in 11th house, is cushioned by some harmonious aspects (sextile/ trine Davison chartruler Saturn in 7th house, but intercepted; and trine/ sextile Davison MC-ruler Pluto in 8th house - just getting goosebumps here, so the ASC-ruler AND MC-ruler of Davison are not only in aspect to each other, but together with the planets that rule our ASC`s and DESC`s in the natals, they form a cradle formation! )

Good call checking the planets in Davison that represent our natal chartrulers.

And I know I still have to get back to the great interpretation you did some posts ago.

posted April 13, 2016 02:18 PM            

-- I wonder too! But I have no idea lol. I gave up on the Marks chart because Planetdance continued to mess up with my angles even after I adjusted my birth time .

-- OMG, so you too! I have a perfect conjunction and you an opposition. And you even have a cradle.

This has to be significant!

I mean if the chart rulers of the people involved are not aspected in anyway in Davison, maybe there is some kind of difficulty to manifest a relationship/partnership/friendship/et cetera. It can still happen but it's not easy peasy.

"Good call checking the planets in Davison that represent our natal chartrulers.

And I know I still have to get back to the great interpretation you did some posts ago."

posted April 13, 2016 02:50 PM            

quote:

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
That is Dawn Bodrogi`s take on the difference between composite and Davison

"The Davison chart is a midpoint chart in time and space. We say that a lot, too, without explaining it. Davison discovered that if you calculate the exact point in time and the exact point in space between any two birth charts, the resulting chart was a powerful tool. It’s a midpoint chart that is not theoretical, but anchored in real space and real time. If you were born in 1950 and I was born in 1960, our Davison chart would occur in 1955. The chart is calculated from the adjusted birth time and place. (The birthplace may end up in the middle of the ocean; it doesn’t matter.) Is this also a chart of the relationship? Yes, it is. Is it different from the midpoint chart? Some say no, just work with them and pick your preference. I say yes, they are different, for a good reason.

The midpoint chart is a powerful map of an energetic pattern–our hotspots as a couple. It’s our charisma, our union, who we are when we are together. It is inner-oriented, focused around the pure expression of the energy that occurs when our two like planets meet. The Davison, like all time/space charts, is anchored not in pure expression, but in physical reality. It describes who we are together within our particular life circumstances. Therefore the Davison chart is expressed through the physical reality of our lives. It sees our relationship being acted upon by circumstances, places, other entities/beings involved in the partnership. It has a life of its own, and can be progressed the way any normal chart is progressed, because it has a real time and a real place to anchor it. (Progressed midpoint charts consist of taking the two individual progressed charts and making a midpoint chart from them.) Now here comes the big question, which is more valid? I say both, and I use them both, in different circumstances, depending on the questions being asked of the partnership.

Since the Davison reflects the physical here and now (it’s still a theoretical chart, but it’s grounded in mundane reality) I prefer to use it for physical here and now questions. Mother-in-law issues, or kids driving you both crazy? Davison. Is a move going to affect our relationship? Davison. A third party invading our relationship? Davison to get the picture, and the midpoint chart to figure out why. We feel as if we’re coming apart at the seams, everything is dissolving. Midpoint. We’ve headed into a good patch in our relationship, how long will it last? Midpoint (and Davison if there are specific causes for the good vibes–new job, etc.).

Both charts are highly sensitive to transits (both the actual composites and progressed composites). And both charts are extremely revealing when you put the natal charts around the composite in a biwheel to see how each person reacts to the relationship dynamic (more on this later). Putting a triwheel in place with transits and one of the natal charts will give you an instant, clear picture of one person’s experience of the relationship, and show you how the transit affects both the individual and the partnership." http://theinnerwheel.com/2012/04/18/composite-charts-etched-in-stone-or-sand/

If that is true, and some astrologers probably would say composite and Davison are really basically the same and hence disagree with the differentiation, but let`s just try it out this way, if that is true, then I think Davison might be more EVENTORIENTED and showing TANGIBLE RESULTS in our PHYSICAL REALITY.

Example:
in an event-composite I have Sun conjunct Venus: I might be receptive to love and open to fall in love and hence experience falling in love.

same Sun-Venus-conjunction in an event Davison, I might either DEMONSTRATE my appreciation for something or someone or might be receiving such.

In fact I had a Sun-Venus-conjunction in the Event-Davison of the concert last friday, and at the end of it I was - of course just as part of the show - given a rose. (Sun/Venus).

Funny enough I took a peek at the Davison for next sunday (for the event with the "open theatre") and seriously that Davison really surprised me

This is the Davison of next sunday

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and this the composite

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BTW while I have no idea when or if any event will be taking place and I will be there for a few hours, from one hour after the actual start there will be a Libra ASC until the end (and I will be leaving before that I guess), which makes for me Venus the chartruler for several hours.

That exact Sun-Venus-conjunction in Leo really gobsmacked me to be honest, especially as apex of a Yod PLUS APEX of a T-square.

Interestingly the "composite guy" (remember the story?) is said to be partly responsible for the music program there so I might see him on a stage for some minutes (which will be the first time in 6 years), and it made me almost laugh but his natal Uranus falls right onto this Sun-Venus-conjunction in my Event-Davison, and my own Lilith is exact opposite, so on the release point.

If I were to see Mr Sag that day, I`d have an idea how that might play out.
In fact curiously enought my Davison Sun-Venus-conjunction is placed on the exact Antivertex in both, Mr Sag`s and my composite AND Davison (composite has Psyche on 24 Aquarius additionally, Davison has an exact Isis-osiris-conjunction on 25 Leo - to bad I am not going to see him next weekend. Should have proved interesting at least. )

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Thanks very much for the valuable info, explanations and examples, Ceri!!!

posted April 13, 2016 03:49 PM            

Actually been reading this author`s booklet again (I read it some years ago but some things need a bit more time and experience), and he does the Davison of your natal and the Davison chart, too (he calls it "Quarter-Combine", and he did so before Bob Marks did, I think, but basically it is the same technique).

What he states is that the basic combine/ Davison chart shows the SITUATION a relationship (or you at an event) is being placed it, a description of the relationship as a whole.

However he also states that it is really the Quarter-Combine/ Marks-chart that shows your EXPERIENCE of the situation.

Example:
You get married and the marriage has all ingredients of being long lasting-
combine / Davison (probably with some seriously great Saturn or Pluto aspect).

you feel deeply unhappy and unfulfilled in that marriage because you don`t really love your partner or he doesn`t really love you :
Quarter Combine/ Marks chart
(some crappy Saturn-Moon-Venus or maybe even Chiron making some nasty aspects)

It is also said to show how YOU act and are in that relationship (and towards the other person) and of course how you are viewed by the other person as well:

(maybe you will keep on living together with them, but withdraw any kind of affection because you are unhappy, but will want to keep up the status quo: angular Saturn could be a sign of this; or you will "do your own thing", while being still married, and possibly even cheat on your partner (Mars/Uranus or Mars/Neptune in 12th house for example)

"because Planetdance continued to mess up with my angles even after I adjusted my birth time "
If you give me the times, I can give it a try for you .

As for the chartrulers, yes the author does also check them in the Combine/Davison and the Quartercombine/Marks chart, as a strong symbol of the person whose chartruler it is.
Apparently there is a theory that we stimulate the planet in the other person`s chart, which is our own chartruler. Like because we embody that planet so much, its variation in any chart is being stimulated.

So that would mean, that I am stimulating Jupiter in the people I am meeting/ connecting with, but they see me mostly through the eyes of THEIR Jupiter.

posted April 13, 2016 04:27 PM            

Now there is this curious thing I just noticed.
So my chartruler is Jupiter (and my Mars and Neptune are conjunct my ASC, so I possibly stimulate those in others, too; anyway let`s forget about those as Mars and Neptune are represants of HIS chartrulers; in fact it`s all the same with us. you`ll see)

Anyway I stimulate therefore Jupiter in his chart, but this Jupiter in his chart is conjunct Mars, HIS chartruler.

He of course stimulates Neptune and Mars in me, his both chartrulers, but those two are conjunct in my chart and right on my ASC!

Even more interesting, the Jupiter I stimulate in him, for him is the ruler of the 10th house in his 6th house (and I activate that whole constellation of course).

the Mars, he stimulates in me, is the ruler of my 4th house, falling into my 12th house.

Can you see that? Not only do they rule houses on the same axis, but they also fall in houses belonging to the same axis!

Also I always wondered a little what it is about the Mars-position in women in his life. granted I do not know all the important women in his life, but TWO exgirlfriends had Mars in between 4 and 11 Sagittarius, I have my Mars on 5 Sagittarius, it is really hard to NOT notice that theme (Even if we exclude myself).

Why Mars?

But then again, if the theory is valid, because mars is his chartruler, he activates Mars strongly in other people, including women, and he must have a thing for Mars in Sagittarius, and not just anywhere in Sagittarius, but in a pretty definite area.
Well in this instance it is conjunct his Mercury on 9 Sagittarius, which rules his DESC, 3rd house and IC.

I guess this is some sort of reflection going on there. He activates most strongly this Mars in people, and in this particular case of the first decan of Sagittarius, gets his own (intercepted) chartruler, as it occurs in the other chart, reflected back and connecting to his DESC-ruler.

I noticed a similiar thing in my own chart in respect to the DESC-ruler. For me that is Mercury, and mercury in someone else`s chart seems to be extremely important to me. And usually in the strongest attractions or even friendships their Mercury will be in the first decan of Sagittarius, Aries or Libra. Which makes them either fall onto my MC-IC-axis or onto my ASC. Curious, right?

After all it is not even my OWN Mercury that is being triggered, but Mercury how it is in THEIR chart. But it`s like, since Mercury rules the DESC in MY chart, I also see everyone else`s Mercury through the lens of the DESC, no matter what it rules in the other person`s chart.

Which reminds me of a thread I started a long time ago, but it seem to fit at least a little bit into that theory of the chartruler in other natal charts.

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/219108.html

posted April 13, 2016 04:31 PM            

That's really interesting. Yup I should have kept digging on the Marks chart, but Planetdance frustrated me.

"If you give me the times, I can give it a try for you ."
Oh thanks a lot!! Can I email them to you?

"Apparently there is a theory that we stimulate the planet in the other person`s chart, which is our own chartruler. Like because we embody that planet so much, its variation in any chart is being stimulated.

So that would mean, that I am stimulating Jupiter in the people I am meeting/ connecting with, but they see me mostly through the eyes of THEIR Jupiter. "

That's really cool. So, he stimulates Neptune and Mars in you. Does it make sense to you?

I don't know how good it is that I stimulate people's Pluto haha. I guess it also depends on what's the condition of their own Pluto in their natal. So far so good with him lol and I can definitely feel his Venus! (ooh this could sound...funny! )

posted April 13, 2016 04:40 PM            

"That's really cool. So, he stimulates Neptune and Mars in you. Does it make sense to you?"
Yes, absolutely.

Of course those planets are stimulated big time synastrically anyway. lol

Means through him or his presence in my life I get to experience some more of the ruler of my IC in my 12th house and the ruler of my 3rd house on my ASC-NN. Might explain the dreams.

" guess it also depends on what's the condition of their own Pluto in their natal."
Not "also" - but MAINLY.
They will see you through the lens of their Pluto, that is what you will make them experience predominantly.

So for me that would be the ruler of 11th and 12th house conjunct MC.
And yes I think it fits, a very public expression and exchange (MC) of ideas and thoughts concerning astrology (!), social things, spirituality etc.

Do you feel like if I am around you are getting closer aligned with your Jupiter (add to that which house it rules and where it is placed) ?

"aybe, I am not sure."
You got me curious nwo. You have to tell me!

posted April 13, 2016 04:42 PM            

"After all it is not even my OWN Mercury that is being triggered, but Mercury how it is in THEIR chart. But it`s like, since Mercury rules the DESC in MY chart, I also see everyone else`s Mercury through the lens of the DESC, no matter what it rules in the other person`s chart."

Ah yes, there seems to be a mirroring and projection going on with his Mars and I dare to say with your Mercury too then.
Do you feel like they (your strongest connections with Mercuries in the first decans of Sagittarius, Aries or Libra) express themselves to you in a Gemini way, like your DESC?

posted April 13, 2016 04:51 PM            

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Originally posted by Sunnya:
W express themselves to you in a Gemini way, like your DESC?

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I wouldn`t necessarily say that, also because I guess the opinions on what a Gemini really is or is like are varied.

But what I notice about them is they are all very communicative, very bright, clever, witty, charming (okay maybe Gemini after all ), but of course mixed with the actual sign. the ARies-Mercury definitely much more bold and loud than the Libra-Mercury (my best friend), who is more balanced in expression. The sag-mercuries are probably my favourites though, funny, not shy to tell even really bad jokes (and yes I like that. lol), quick at repartee, verbal banter and so on (the verbal banter thing works better with Aries and Sag Mercury though, not really with the Libra-Mercuries).

posted April 13, 2016 04:55 PM            

"Means through him or his presence in my life I get to experience some more of the ruler of my IC in my 12th house and the ruler of my 3rd house on my ASC-NN. Might explain the dreams."

OMG, but of course! I dare to say he also brings back old memories of you two.

"Not "also" - but MAINLY.
They will see you through the lens of their Pluto, that is what you will make them experience predominantly. "
"Do you feel like if I am around you are getting closer aligned with your Jupiter (add to that which house it rules and where it is placed) ?"

Oh boy, then I have been lucky to not meet any twisted up Plutos.

posted April 13, 2016 05:01 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I wouldn`t necessarily say that, also because I guess the opinions on what a Gemini really is or is like are varied.

But what I notice about them is they are all very communicative, very bright, clever, witty, charming (okay maybe Gemini after all ), but of course mixed with the actual sign. the ARies-Mercury definitely much more bold and loud than the Libra-Mercury (my best friend), who is more balanced in expression. The sag-mercuries are probably my favourites though, funny, not shy to tell even really bad jokes (and yes I like that. lol), quick at repartee, verbal banter and so on (the verbal banter thing works better with Aries and Sag Mercury though, not really with the Libra-Mercuries).

And interestingly enough they are ALL Creative in a way, and it always has to do with music or language in the broadest sense, usually expression through voice plays a major role. And I tend to fall in "crushes" with voices. For some reason I seem to also HEAR people before I see them. Odd, right?

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Aha they are all a little Gemini coloured .

That's crazy you can hear people before seeing them, I love it!
Music, language and crushes with "voices" screams Mercury!

I never noticed rulers being so well expressed. I am now thinking about my own DESC ruler, Venus, and how intrinsically connected are our natals too then lol.