posted February 12, 2016 12:03 AM            

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Ceri, may I ask you, what if there are tight conjunctions/oppositions to the event-composite from both persons natals?
I mean
event - natal A composite -----> natal A
event - natal B composite -----> natal B

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^ Completely personal, without any conj/opp to his chart ofcourse.

quote:

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There are even important conj/opp. like this :
event - natal A composite -----> natal B
event - natal B composite -----> natal A

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^ Those are interesting on an intimate level.

posted February 12, 2016 01:26 AM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:

Ceri, may I ask you, what if there are tight conjunctions/oppositions to the event-composite from both persons natals?
I mean
event - natal A composite -----> natal A
event - natal B composite -----> natal B

There are even important conj/opp. like this :
event - natal A composite -----> natal B
event - natal B composite -----> natal A

but not so many significant conj/opp. from each person's event-compo to the natal compo?

How should we interpret this? It seems bad, as if the natal composite hasn't been triggered on the event, but otherwise there are some important connections to both natives. So, is this a mess? lol

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I agree with Mir,
your own conjunctions to EVC is just about your own experience, not about any other`s influence.

composite to EVC is about the mutually shared experience.

posted February 12, 2016 01:36 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
^ Those are interesting on an intimate level.

Let's share those EVC's (to each natal)!

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Well, I was quite baffled when I checked Mr Sag`s EVC with his marriage chart.

the tightest aspect he has with it

Moon 00°43 Scorpio
Saturn 00°38 Scorpio

I think this demonstrates beautifully his commitment and dedication (and of course resonates with his natal Moon-Saturn-square) to make it work, and especially since children are involved, to accept his responsibility, and just be a good loyal husband and father.

that is NOT what baffled me, that is what I expected.

What baffled me was, that this is conjunct a planet in my own chart and well that would be

Uranus 1°21 Scorpio

so my natal Uranus conjuncts his EVC Moon-Saturn-conjunction by under one degree.

I also found it intriguing because his EVC Moon and Saturn contain these midpoints:

Moon square Uranus/Neptune 1°24
Moon square Uranus/ASC 0!15
Saturn square Uranus/Neptune 1°29
Saturn square Uranus/ASC 0°21

And in fact Neptune on the ASC is square his Moon (1°57) and Saturn (1°52), and with a bit more orb Uranus squares Moon (4°45) and Saturn (4°50), too.

so I guess the "Uranus-factor" is kinda already built into his response/ experience of that.

posted February 12, 2016 02:36 AM            

(^ coincidentally our strongest Compo aspect that Sun/Nept)"
Looking lovely and magically dreamy. And it was applying so it would have become more exact the next days.

"- His EVC Sun exact conj Mars; 27'03 Cancer
My natal Venus 29'51 Cancer"
Again, you said you were together for the following 3 days?
And I think this conjunction to your n Venus would have been exact 2-3 days after that eventchart?

"
- EVC Venus opp natal Mars (1'05a)
- EVC Moon conj natal IC/Jupiter (1-deg s / 0'47a)
- EVC Asc conj natal Venus (0'02 / might differ some minutes)"

posted February 12, 2016 02:47 AM            

Anyway, using this time (and keeping in the Moon, but leaving out the angles that are based on his birthtime)

my EVC IC conjunct composite Mars 0°08 (3 Aqua)

my EVC Jupiter conjunct c-Neptune 1°02 (16-15 Sag)

my EVC NN conjunct c-NN 2°23 (1 Scorpio- 28 Libra)

his EVC Venus conjunct c-Sun 2°47 19-22 Aqua
(I would like that to be closer to be honest, though it is an applying conjunction, I donīt plan to stay with him for the next 3 days though. )

his EVC Jupiter opposite c-Sun 2°40 (25 Leo - 22 Aqua)

his EVC Pluto conjunct c-Moon 2 Sagittarius
- I find this Also interesting, as Mr Sag is going to have EVC Moon on 1-2 Sag on "our" next concert as well-

his EVC Uranus conjunct c-Mars 0°14 3 Aqua

his EVC Saturn conjunct c-NN 2°17 26-28 Libra

and as for the natal synastric links to EVC

his Sun conjunct my EVC DESC 3°50 (19-23 Aries)
- well very wide orb, it means that the conjunction must have happened some minutes before the actual start of the concert (20 minutes maybe?)

his Mercury conjunct my EVC Moon 0°32 (26 Pisces, applying)

his n Mars opposite my EVC Saturn 1°06 2 Aries - 1 Libra

my n Moon conjunct his EVC Venus 2°42 17 - 19 Aquarius
so separating conjunction and rather wide, not sure it even is valid

posted February 12, 2016 05:51 AM            

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Originally posted by mir:
^ Those are interesting on an intimate level.

Let's share those EVC's (to each natal)!

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Thank you for answering!

Do you mean to share the composites or the aspects?

I'll write down the aspects and any comment is welcome! If you want me to repost the evc's, please tell me, I have posted them earlier in this thread, so I didn't want to ruin ceri's thread..again! :P

MY natal planets/points -----> HIS event-composite

My Venus 3 40' Cancer = his compo Moon 2 42 Cancer

My Mars 24 04' and Pluto 24 13' Libra opp. his compo Venus 24 56' Aries

My Asc 28 14' Cap = his compo Neptune Cap 29 41'

My Sun 0 32' Leo/ my Merc 28 40' Can/ my Dsc 28 14' Can opp. his compo Neptune 29 41'

My Chiron 26 54' Tau = his compo IC 27 56'

and I don't know if they are so important, because Ceridwen said there has to be significant contacts with luminaries, etc. but there are also some interesting connections with asteroids :

My s/m midpoint 20 43' Leo opp. his compo Eros 21 36' aqua

My Juno 26 20' sag opp. his compo Juno 26 51' gem

My Sun/Merc/Dsc = his compo Vesta 28 54'

Then, from HIS natal to MY event-compo :

His Sun 8 42' Aqua = my compo Uranus 8 28'

His Pluto 21 46' Libra = my compo Mars 20 22'

His Mars 14 12' Virgo = my compo Jupiter 13 32'

His S/M midpoint 23 40' = my compo Chiron 22 19'

His Juno 18 26' can = my compo sun 17 44'

His venus 16 11' pisces = my compo juno 15 49'

Maybe, I'm forgetting one or two, but these are the most significant I found.

And then from MY event - compo to the natal composite we have :

My evc Vertex 5 58' Leo = composite NN 6 19' (This Vertex seems to keep haunting me everywhere I look! )

The other conjunctions are between asteroids and planets, so I' ll skip them.

On the other hand from HIS event - compo to the natal composite, we have :

His evc Sun 21 49' Aries opp. composite Pluto 23 00' Libra

His evc Moon 2 42' Cancer = composite IC 4 42' (I don't know maybe this is a bit wide, 2 orb. exact)

His evc Uranus 5 42' = composite South Node 6 19'

His evc MC 27 56' = composite Uranus 27 55'

etc.

QUOTE :
Ceridwen
"I agree with Mir,
your own conjunctions to EVC is just about your own experience, not about any other`s influence.

composite to EVC is about the mutually shared experience.

other`s natal to EVC is about how or what the other triggers and stimulates in that event."

What I find really odd is that there are more connections from his EVC to our composite, does this mean the event was felt more intensely by him than by me??? Because I thought it was already overwhelming for me and yet there is only that vx=NN conjunction, although I know how powerful that is, even that alone!
Moreover, I really don't know if any of these above are significant, as many outer planets or even asteroids are involved. Last but not least, isn't that weird that there are connections from my natal to his evc and from his natal to my evc, but not so many from each evc to our composite? If each person affected the other one the day of the event, what does this lack of many connections to the composite mean? I am really baffled, so any help is really welcome!
Many thanks both of you!

posted February 12, 2016 07:17 AM            

° c-Mars conjunct my ECV IC 0°08

° c-Neptune conjunct my EVC Jupiter 1°02
(- square Node/MC 1°14)

° cNN conjunct my EVC NN 2°23

° his n Mercury conjunct my EVC Moon 0°32
- square Neptune/Pluto
- square Uranus/Pluto
- square Mars/Neptune
- square Mars/Uranus
- square Sun/Pluto
(square Sun/Mars)

° his n Mars opposite my EVC Saturn
- conjunct Pluto/MC
- conjunct Mars/MC
- square Venus/Jupiter

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c-Sun conjunct his EVC Venus 2°47 a
my n Moon conjunct his EVC Venus 2°42 s
- opposite Moon/ASC 0°02

° c-Sun oppospite EVC Jupiter (2°40s)
- opposite Sun/neptune
- opposite Sun/Mars
- square Neptune/Node

° c-Moon conjunct his EVC Pluto
my n Mars widely conjunct his EVC Pluto
- conjunct Uranus/ASC

° c-Mars conjunct his EVC Uranus 0°14
- oposite Moon/jupiter
- square Moon/Mercury

posted February 12, 2016 12:21 PM            

you do have quite some sexy triggers of his compo! (meaning your Venus, Mars and Pluto to his compo Moon and Venus).

"What I find really odd is that there are more connections from his EVC to our composite, does this mean the event was felt more intensely by him than by me??? "
I am not completely clear on that yet.

The fact that the COMPOSITE is triggering the EVC indicates already mutuality, as comosite is made of both people. However I suspect there will be a distinction, maybe the one with the EVC will be more on the receptive end?
But I do not know yet.

"Because I thought it was already overwhelming for me and yet there is only that vx=NN conjunction,"
Vx-NN is pretty major though.

"as many outer planets"
Outer planets can trigger quite intense experiences though. Just imagine a Pluto transit to your Venus! And now it has been you who has embodied Pluto for him. Like he was experiencing this transit in your form.
Of course that is important. However, with outers I would even more urgently check the midpoints attached to the triggered placements.

I mean what was it really that you triggered? Venus, for sure, in his compo.

But let`s say one time Venus is conjunct Sun/Mars-mp and another time Venus is conjunct Saturn/Uranus-mp. That would indicate quite different experiences.
In the first case very straightforward attraction scenario, in the second one possibly some blowing-hot and cold, on and off, shall I run or shall I stay? experience. But of course also a potential of breaking down old walls and allowing in the new.

You can see how different that might be if you see the interpretations (according to Witte here - I donīt agree on EVERYTHING in their approach, but especially in eventoriented charts they are often amazingly accurate.).

For my hypothetical examples it would be like:

SO/MA=VE The erotic love of a man. The bed-fellow.

SA/UR=VE Sudden rupture in love. Separation from something wished for.

WEll, actually I Prefer the interpretations of Olaf Staudt, a German astrologer, who revised the old interpretations of Ebertin, doing away with a lot of the doom and gloom, but keeping the potential downfalls of each combination in his interpretations and therfore covering a greater range. though he does not differentiate between focal planet and midpoint planets.

Anyway in his book the combo of Sun-Venus-Mars would represent: "sexual energy, passion, enthusiasm, creative power. sex. procreation. birth."

As the Venus-Saturn-URanus would be:
"tensions in love life. conflicting feelings. to fight against limitations. Arguments. Separation."

See, how different that sounds?

Though of course we do not need a book to figure that out, as we know that the combo Saturn-Uranus is basically about things being so tensed they are in constant risk of "breaking up/ blowing up".

Anyway I actually do have an example from my own evcs, I will go through it later on.

" or even asteroids are involved. Last but not least, isn't that weird that there are connections from my natal to his evc and from his natal to my evc, but not so many from each evc to our composite?"
Maybe. But maybe it also means that while you affected each other, you did so in different ways, and there was not so much a mutual simultaneous experience (like the composite would imply), but each of you were sort of busy sorting out the individual experience you made with each other.

posted February 12, 2016 12:36 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Mar,

you do have quite some sexy triggers of his compo! (meaning your Venus, Mars and Pluto to his compo Moon and Venus).

"What I find really odd is that there are more connections from his EVC to our composite, does this mean the event was felt more intensely by him than by me??? "
I am not completely clear on that yet.

The fact that the COMPOSITE is triggering the EVC indicates already mutuality, as comosite is made of both people. However I suspect there will be a distinction, maybe the one with the EVC will be more on the receptive end?
But I do not know yet.

"Because I thought it was already overwhelming for me and yet there is only that vx=NN conjunction,"
Vx-NN is pretty major though.

"as many outer planets"
Outer planets can trigger quite intense experiences though. Just imagine a Pluto transit to your Venus! And now it has been you who has embodied Pluto for him. Like he was experiencing this transit in your form.
Of course that is important. However, with outers I would even more urgently check the midpoints attached to the triggered placements.

I mean what was it really that you triggered? Venus, for sure, in his compo.

But let`s say one time Venus is conjunct Sun/Mars-mp and another time Venus is conjunct Saturn/Uranus-mp. That would indicate quite different experiences.
In the first case very straightforward attraction scenario, in the second one possibly some blowing-hot and cold, on and off, shall I run or shall I stay? experience. But of course also a potential of breaking down old walls and allowing in the new.

You can see how different that might be if you see the interpretations (according to Witte here - I donīt agree on EVERYTHING in their approach, but especially in eventoriented charts they are often amazingly accurate.).

For my hypothetical examples it would be like:

SO/MA=VE The erotic love of a man. The bed-fellow.

SA/UR=VE Sudden rupture in love. Separation from something wished for.

WEll, actually I Prefer the interpretations of Olaf Staudt, a German astrologer, who revised the old interpretations of Ebertin, doing away with a lot of the doom and gloom, but keeping the potential downfalls of each combination in his interpretations and therfore covering a greater range. though he does not differentiate between focal planet and midpoint planets.

Anyway in his book the combo of Sun-Venus-Mars would represent: "sexual energy, passion, enthusiasm, creative power. sex. procreation. birth."

As the Venus-Saturn-URanus would be:
"tensions in love life. conflicting feelings. to fight against limitations. Arguments. Separation."

See, how different that sounds?

Though of course we do not need a book to figure that out, as we know that the combo Saturn-Uranus is basically about things being so tensed they are in constant risk of "breaking up/ blowing up".

Anyway I actually do have an example from my own evcs, I will go through it later on.

" or even asteroids are involved. Last but not least, isn't that weird that there are connections from my natal to his evc and from his natal to my evc, but not so many from each evc to our composite?"
Maybe. But maybe it also means that while you affected each other, you did so in different ways, and there was not so much a mutual simultaneous experience (like the composite would imply), but each of you were sort of busy sorting out the individual experience you made with each other.

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Ceri, many thanks for your answer, you did clarify a lot of things for me! The midpoints that you mentioned make so much sense, I' ll go look at them and be back with more questions!!! Sounds like a threat! Lol
I am interested in your findings in your own evc's, too!
You also said " But maybe it also means that while you affected each other, you did so in different ways, and there was not so much a mutual simultaneous experience (like the composite would imply), but each of you were sort of busy sorting out the individual experience you made with each other." That sounds pretty possible, it never turned to a normal relationship after all! So my concern is if the potential for loving feelings was "triggered" after all. Otherwise, would the natal compo not being triggered so much by either of the evc's mean that we sort of walked in parallel paths? The comparison between evc's and natal/composites is really really interesting!!

P.S. Are the aspects that you mentioned the more relevant in your opinion? Meaning I should focus on those and not so much to evc's uranus conjuncting composite South Node etc. for example?

EDIT : I just saw that in his EVC, the sun/moon midpoint is on the EVC's IC!

His EVC Sun in 21 49' Aries
His EVC Moon in 2 42' Cancer
His EVC IC in 27 56' Taurus

posted February 12, 2016 02:02 PM            

Tomorrow the Moon will be at 04°07 Taurus, in two weeks (on Mr Sag`s concert) Moon will be at 03°37 Scorpio.

While this is intriguing for several reasons, it also means of course that the Moon-positions in my EVC`s will be in 4th harmonic aspect.

Tomorrow: my EVC Moon: 25°36 Pisces
in 2 weeks: my EVC Moon: 25°21 Sagittarius

This means of course that both Moons will trigger the same midpoint pictures, when they are made of outer planets (just exchanging between conjunction and square).

So
Tomorrow: Moon
square Neptune/Pluto 0°30
square Uranus/Pluto 0°31

in 2 weeks: Moon
conjunct Neptune/Pluto 0°58
conjunct Uranus/Pluto 1°00

Well it means that I am basically in a transformation-phase I suppose, putting all the major outer energies together.

Of course, and that is interesting, too, these midpoint pictures are not there at any given day, but ONLY when the Tr Moon is on about 3 Taurus or Scorpio this month. So in fact there are only 2 days this month when my EVC Moon will be connected to Uranus/Pluto and Neptune/Pluto this way. The first day is tomorrow, the second one on 27th february. And coincidentally I am going to be on concerts on BOTH of these dates.

It almost makes me laugh, but the time after that Moon will be square URanus/Neptune and Uranus/Pluto will be on 12nd march, and the day after that I actually will be on Lancelot`s Solo concert, oh and I just remember, on the 12nd march actually I will attend (with my aunt) a musical-play about Mozart that Mr Sag directed and wrote (he is not going to be there though, it is a tour production, and I was jus curious about it).

And then in may, coincidentally I will see Mr Sag on stage in a musical again, just 4 days before the Moon=Uranus/Pluto=Neptune/Pluto hits again. conjunction of course (seems the conjunction is tied to him, and the square to Lancelot. lol)

But 4 days are a lot, so it will not be in play when I am actually being there. Maybe will process something 4 days later about it. Dunno yet.

And naturally the summernight of the musical (which I have been pressured to take a ticket for by my aquaitance. lol) just 4 days before yet another of these occureences (actually the polar opposite to tomorrow with Transit Sun on 3 Leo and Transit Moon on 3 Taurus)

Weird, it`s not that I have tickets for every week, I just seem to have picked those weeks, my EVC Moon would be at 25-26 PIsces or Sagittarius and hence on the Uranus/Pluto and Neptune/Pluto-mp.

Anyway what that means, at least for tomorrow and the concert in 2 weeks is that this seems to be the thing they have in common. Some similiar vibration, a pretty mystical, supernatural vibration,c oming with more than a bit of upheaval, maybe even explosive or shocking things (Uranus/Pluto you know?)

Or as the interpretations say:

NE/PL=MO Mysterious persons. Persons who slowly and unnoticeable change their attitude towards the native.

strange soulexperiences. highly sensitive, changes of mood, an immediate response to every influence. a peculiar or strange woman supernatural experiences

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UR/PL=MO Sudden changes in the public for several persons specially for female persons.

intuition, restlessness, daring and audacious, ambition, determination. Bringing about changes forcefully.A complete and potentially drastic revolution. To burn one's bridges behind oneself. Drastic situations that unleash pent-up energy. The overthrowing of deeply entrenched restrictions and limitations. Giving in to one's deepest urges to change.
Feelings which sometimes come forth with extreme openness and freedom. The emotional need to be oneself, no matter what the cost, and to make change happen.

Well that would be the thing those events hav ein common for me.

posted February 12, 2016 03:34 PM            

Well tomorrow my EVC Moon is in these midpoints as well:
square Mars/Neptune 0°40
square Mars/Uranus 0°41
square Sun/Pluto 0°53
square Sun/Mars 1°03

suggesting effects concerning power, assertiveness, but interestingly the Neptune seems to contradict the other ones.

AS for interpretations

MA/UR=MO Excited females.
energy or power of life goverened by feeling. desire to achieve something very big. Special effort by a woman (birth). accident or injury happening to girls and woman.

Well let`s hope not. I mean I certainly will not give birth tomorrow, so hopefull there will be no accident either (Ebertin and his doom and gloom )

However the Mars/Uranus-mp of course relates to rashness and impulsivity (so an accident could be the consequence of this behaviour, or other results are thinkable as well).

Other interpretations:
Sudden and unexpected actions. To find one's own independent and unique way of doing things. To be assertively rebellious. Accidents, which are a manifestation of pent-up energy that need to be released. To be impulsive in one's actions, and/or to act erratically. Inspired action.

Active experimentation. The breaking out of old forms and patterns and the creating of new one's that offer more freedom and which more clearly reflect the true self.
Feelings that arise suddenly, and which impel one to take action. The need to freely and openly let feelings out. If one allows oneself to act on one's instincts it can let forth a flood of creativity. Insecurity about finding one's own way to do things.

Moon = Mars/Neptune
Feelings of inferiority, sensitivity, nervous weakness.
he ability to assert oneself in subtle ways. Actions that are confused or impractical. To refine and uplift sexual energy. The excitement of the imagination, and its use in both constructive and destructive ways.
To become increasingly aware of what you're doing, so that you're less and less confused and more and more clearly intuitive when you assert yourself.
Insecurities leading to confused or ineffective actions. To be vulnerable to psychic attack. Negative moods manifest as agitating confusion.

Moon = Sun/Pluto
A relentless craving for discovering the deepest meanings in life. Striving for personal power, be it mental, physical, or spiritual. At worst, an intense desire for objectivity results in emotional repression.

The emotional need to deeply understand the meaning of life, together with the feeling that this ebbs and flows, depending on one's mood. Being vulnerable to the criticism and negative reactions of other people when it comes to manifesting one's personal power. A tendency to not see the power one has. Being impressionable to anything which carries a deep meaning.

I`d add a feeling of being emotionally overwhelmed or overpowered as well (I mean this is Pluto here. lol)

Moon = Sun/Mars
the husband, desire for marriage (Ebertin and Witte)

(I don`t have a husband, so probably not applicable)

Sandbach`s interpretation:
Purposeful assertiveness. The ability to gear one's actions toward long-range considerations. The ability to take on meaningful battles.

The emotional need to do things on one's own. Feeling secure when one has a long-range project on which to work. Security derived from being a leader or being in charge. Nurturing others by taking charge of them or telling them what to do.

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So all in all I`d say the more specific midpoints for tomorrow (the ones including personal planets) indicate more or less an action-oriented, power picture. I mean after all they connect the outer planets (Uranus, Neptune, Pluto) with the masculine planets (Sun, Mars), which I find intriguing on its own.
A reshaping of my view on men in general or in how one (or more precisely: I) should act around others? or in general?

What it is NOT, however, is a picture of softness, except for Mars/Neptune, which can give a bit of charisma or receptivity to charisma (letīs not forget I have a Mars-Neptune-conjunction natally, and the picture can easily be associated with performers or musicians, so it fits), there is a little too much emphasis on strength and power in them.

posted February 12, 2016 03:52 PM            

Moon conjunct Mercury/Pluto
Moon conjunct Venus/Pluto
(Moon conjunct Mercury/Mars 1°20 - a tad wide, but most astrologers give an orb of 1°30).

There seems to be also quite a powerful picture emerging, but a different kind of power, of course with mercury the power of suggestion, communication, singing (?) but also seems to also include a more relational vibe. I hesitate to call it romantic, cause VEnus/Pluto is sort of a different kind of romance.

As for interpretations

Moon conjunct Mercury/Pluto
Change in public thinking. The power to speak with heart and soul and consequencly convince people.a Woman who can speak convincingly.

Mental obsessiveness. The tendency to be extremely opinionated. The need to transform the mind by clearing negative thinking. The ability to communicate in a powerful manner. Communication that is so intense it destroys itself, causing miscommunication or no communication.

The evolution of one's mental powers through the breaking down of limiting ideas and ways of looking at things so that new ideas and perspectives may form that are increasingly closer to the true nature of reality. The waging of war between the desire to communicate with oneself and the fear of doing so, and the externalizing of this into outer communication.

Insecurities manifesting as mental obsessiveness. Intensity of communication stemming from one's imbuing one's words with tremendous feeling. An emotional need to communicate deeply.

- I find it interesting, because in fact I have that midpoint picture natally. Moon square Mercury/Pluto and it is the tightest one in my chart. So whatever it may be, but the timeframe in 2 weeks sort of is resonating with my natal in this way.

Moon conjunct MErcury/Mars
Thinking and acting strongly influenced by feeling. "Clearing the air"by means of argument and talking it out.
Passionate communication. Constructive and/or destructive communication. Arguing. Mental conflict. An agitated nervous system. The ability to be pointed and assertive when speaking. Sexual communication.

The building and/or destroying of connections. Using communication in a combative and/or stimulating manner, either for good or ill.

The emotional need to be able to say what one things, and to let out anger verbally. The urge to argue or to speak passionately is aroused when one is feeling insecure, or very emotional.

(Seems it will be a "foot in mouth" day again. *sighs* ARe there any other days, though, with Mercury in SAg natally? )

Moon conjunct Venus/Pluto
an overly intense emotional life.
One person having power over the other in a love relationship. Power struggles in love relationships. To feel love with extreme intensity. To experience a compelling attraction. Decisions that are difficult to make. Irresistible temptations.

To give in so totally to the power of love that it transforms one's consciousness and further one's evolution. To delve deeply into one's attractions so that one may experience their pure essence and by doing so come into a profound self-understanding.

To be strongly impressionable to intense beauty. The emotional need for intense relationships, connections, and romances. To fall easily under the sway of the charms and allurements of another person.

Okay, maybe I should rather stay home and hide beneath my covers?

Nevertheless, I think the difference as well as the similiarity between both events is quite noteable.
And both Moons are pretty much at the same degrees (though in square position of each other).

However when those Moons are triggered, all these midpoints are, too, and they indicate how differently this can be, even though of course in both cases there is a theme of major and possibly weird or shocking emotional transformation.
But how that takes place, I think is specified through the midpoints involving personal planets, in the first case mostly Sun and Mars, in the second case Mercury, Venus and Mars.

But boy, after reading the interpretations through, I am getting scared. lol

posted February 12, 2016 07:30 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Coincidence is playing a funny game with the Moon on tomorrows and the concert in 2 weeks, it puts them onto nearly exact opposing degrees.

Tomorrow the Moon will be at 04°07 Taurus, in two weeks (on Mr Sag`s concert) Moon will be at 03°37 Scorpio.

While this is intriguing for several reasons, it also means of course that the Moon-positions in my EVC`s will be in 4th harmonic aspect.

Tomorrow: my EVC Moon: 25°36 Pisces
in 2 weeks: my EVC Moon: 25°21 Sagittarius

This means of course that both Moons will trigger the same midpoint pictures, when they are made of outer planets (just exchanging between conjunction and square).

So
Tomorrow: Moon
square Neptune/Pluto 0°30
square Uranus/Pluto 0°31

in 2 weeks: Moon
conjunct Neptune/Pluto 0°58
conjunct Uranus/Pluto 1°00

Well it means that I am basically in a transformation-phase I suppose, putting all the major outer energies together.

Of course, and that is interesting, too, these midpoint pictures are not there at any given day, but ONLY when the Tr Moon is on about 3 Taurus or Scorpio this month. So in fact there are only 2 days this month when my EVC Moon will be connected to Uranus/Pluto and Neptune/Pluto this way. The first day is tomorrow, the second one on 27th february. And coincidentally I am going to be on concerts on BOTH of these dates.

It almost makes me laugh, but the time after that Moon will be square URanus/Neptune and Uranus/Pluto will be on 12nd march, and the day after that I actually will be on Lancelot`s Solo concert, oh and I just remember, on the 12nd march actually I will attend (with my aunt) a musical-play about Mozart that Mr Sag directed and wrote (he is not going to be there though, it is a tour production, and I was jus curious about it).

And then in may, coincidentally I will see Mr Sag on stage in a musical again, just 4 days before the Moon=Uranus/Pluto=Neptune/Pluto hits again. conjunction of course (seems the conjunction is tied to him, and the square to Lancelot. lol)

But 4 days are a lot, so it will not be in play when I am actually being there. Maybe will process something 4 days later about it. Dunno yet.

And naturally the summernight of the musical (which I have been pressured to take a ticket for by my aquaitance. lol) just 4 days before yet another of these occureences (actually the polar opposite to tomorrow with Transit Sun on 3 Leo and Transit Moon on 3 Taurus)

Weird, it`s not that I have tickets for every week, I just seem to have picked those weeks, my EVC Moon would be at 25-26 PIsces or Sagittarius and hence on the Uranus/Pluto and Neptune/Pluto-mp.

Anyway what that means, at least for tomorrow and the concert in 2 weeks is that this seems to be the thing they have in common. Some similiar vibration, a pretty mystical, supernatural vibration,c oming with more than a bit of upheaval, maybe even explosive or shocking things (Uranus/Pluto you know?)

Or as the interpretations say:

NE/PL=MO Mysterious persons. Persons who slowly and unnoticeable change their attitude towards the native.

strange soulexperiences. highly sensitive, changes of mood, an immediate response to every influence. a peculiar or strange woman supernatural experiences

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posted February 12, 2016 07:45 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
In contrast on the concert in 2 weeks, these additional midpoints to EVC Moon are in play (added to the Uranus/Pluto and Neptune/Pluto):

Moon conjunct Mercury/Pluto
Moon conjunct Venus/Pluto
(Moon conjunct Mercury/Mars 1°20 - a tad wide, but most astrologers give an orb of 1°30).

There seems to be also quite a powerful picture emerging, but a different kind of power, of course with mercury the power of suggestion, communication, singing (?) but also seems to also include a more relational vibe. I hesitate to call it romantic, cause VEnus/Pluto is sort of a different kind of romance.

As for interpretations

Moon conjunct Mercury/Pluto
Change in public thinking. The power to speak with heart and soul and consequencly convince people.a Woman who can speak convincingly.

Mental obsessiveness. The tendency to be extremely opinionated. The need to transform the mind by clearing negative thinking. The ability to communicate in a powerful manner. Communication that is so intense it destroys itself, causing miscommunication or no communication.

The evolution of one's mental powers through the breaking down of limiting ideas and ways of looking at things so that new ideas and perspectives may form that are increasingly closer to the true nature of reality. The waging of war between the desire to communicate with oneself and the fear of doing so, and the externalizing of this into outer communication.

Insecurities manifesting as mental obsessiveness. Intensity of communication stemming from one's imbuing one's words with tremendous feeling. An emotional need to communicate deeply.

- I find it interesting, because in fact I have that midpoint picture natally. Moon square Mercury/Pluto and it is the tightest one in my chart. So whatever it may be, but the timeframe in 2 weeks sort of is resonating with my natal in this way.

Moon conjunct MErcury/Mars
Thinking and acting strongly influenced by feeling. "Clearing the air"by means of argument and talking it out.
Passionate communication. Constructive and/or destructive communication. Arguing. Mental conflict. An agitated nervous system. The ability to be pointed and assertive when speaking. Sexual communication.

The building and/or destroying of connections. Using communication in a combative and/or stimulating manner, either for good or ill.

The emotional need to be able to say what one things, and to let out anger verbally. The urge to argue or to speak passionately is aroused when one is feeling insecure, or very emotional.

(Seems it will be a "foot in mouth" day again. *sighs* ARe there any other days, though, with Mercury in SAg natally? )

Moon conjunct Venus/Pluto
an overly intense emotional life.
One person having power over the other in a love relationship. Power struggles in love relationships. To feel love with extreme intensity. To experience a compelling attraction. Decisions that are difficult to make. Irresistible temptations.

To give in so totally to the power of love that it transforms one's consciousness and further one's evolution. To delve deeply into one's attractions so that one may experience their pure essence and by doing so come into a profound self-understanding.

To be strongly impressionable to intense beauty. The emotional need for intense relationships, connections, and romances. To fall easily under the sway of the charms and allurements of another person.

Okay, maybe I should rather stay home and hide beneath my covers?

Nevertheless, I think the difference as well as the similiarity between both events is quite noteable.
And both Moons are pretty much at the same degrees (though in square position of each other).

However when those Moons are triggered, all these midpoints are, too, and they indicate how differently this can be, even though of course in both cases there is a theme of major and possibly weird or shocking emotional transformation.
But how that takes place, I think is specified through the midpoints involving personal planets, in the first case mostly Sun and Mars, in the second case Mercury, Venus and Mars.

But boy, after reading the interpretations through, I am getting scared. lol

I have an Aqua Moon, why sending me all that Pluto my way?

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posted February 13, 2016 08:20 AM            

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"His EVC Venus; 17'53 Gem
Our Compo Sun; 19'12 Gem
Our Compo Neptune; 19'09 Sag
(^ coincidentally our strongest Compo aspect that Sun/Nept)"

Looking lovely and magically dreamy. And it was applying so it would have become more exact the next days.

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Lol, EVC Venus was at its Sunpeak EXACT (19'12 Gem) when he left, I swear! Haha just see it. And we had such big fun at leaving time, the best moments of those days! I had not laughed like that for a long time (and for sure not with a guy).

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"- His EVC Sun exact conj Mars; 27'03 Cancer
My natal Venus 29'51 Cancer"

Again, you said you were together for the following 3 days?
And I think this conjunction to your n Venus would have been exact 2-3 days after that eventchart?

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Yea 3. But no, His EVC Sun was at 28'28 Cancer when leaving. To dream on in the train ;D

And that EVC Sun/Mars conj of him was so nicely aligned with midpoints in there;
- Venus/Mars midp opp Moon / 0'18
- Sun/Venus midp opp Moon / 0'18

posted February 13, 2016 08:57 AM            

Tr Jupiter= Tr Node = my n Venus/ASC
Tr Venus = my n Moon/Venus
Tr Moon (applying at the end of the night) = my n Venus/Jupiter

posted February 13, 2016 12:22 PM            

If Venus in composite of him+event = my IC (conjunct), does this count as relevant or is relevant only if there is a planet there too?

posted February 13, 2016 04:47 PM            

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Originally posted by ChildofVenus:
Hey can you tell me what option do I select to see transits in a composite chart? I use astro.com.

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After you create the chart, above there is a blue button under "back to chart selection" that says "show transits", click that.

posted February 13, 2016 10:13 PM            

Wanted to share something.

I didn't sleep much at all last night, so I took a nap this evening after dinner. I dreamed that my ex-soulmate died, and I was comforting his widow. His spirit was VERY palpable in the dream, as if I were a highly attuned medium, and felt him plain as day. His energy was Jupiterian. What I understood from this was, he had told her to seek me out if he died.

I ran a composite between his noon chart and the time of the dream (I was woken up mid-dream by my son, and noted the time.)

It's just strange...

Jupiter 26 Cancer
MC 26 Cancer

Uranus 26 Capricorn
IC 26 Capricorn of course

Neptune 25 Capricorn
My pr Venus 25 Capricorn

Moon 6 Taurus
His name in his chart, and possibly his moon 6 Taurus

DSC 24 Aries on my Chiron

NN 13 Libra, 12H
Saturn 13 Libra
His natal Venus 13 Libra
His pr moon with noon chart 13 Libra
His natal Mars 12 Libra

The sun @ 7 Sag
Conjunct my Venus @ 6 Sag

His progressed chart has my name asteroid conjunct KARMA.

Not that it matters....just peculiar.

posted February 14, 2016 04:09 AM            

great to see you on the thread.

And so, she who cannot be avoided (or bringing experiences that cannot be avoided) is in a very significant place. quite telling, don`t you think?

I wonder where Atropos is right now, actually now that you mentioned her.

EDIT
BTW I don`t mean that your soulmate really died or will die, but that the dream is indicating that he (and maybe your feelings about him or even experiences) are in a transition period.

posted February 14, 2016 04:15 AM            

In my Event composite Atropos was on 12 PIsces, not aspecting anything in the EVC itself, but conjunct my n Jupiter.

posted February 14, 2016 02:02 PM            

wonderful midpoints there.
I mean the interrelation of sun, moon, Venus, mars definitely is sizzling with romance and emotion.

and not so funny, the time was just "ripe" for experiencing that 9th harmonic alignment for him.

BTW did you see the video by Cochrane on this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yupihXLmqXE

Later in the video he stresses the importance of the 9th armonic composite.

WEll I am not yet clear what constitutes a "strong" 9th harmonic composite.

Of course I did one for my parents, who should have a strong 9th harmonic composite.

On first glance, however, it was a bit disappointing. No major aspectconfiguration like I expected there to be like a Grand trine, Mystical Rectangle, Star of David, Kite or whatever.

However they DO have
(Sun conjunct Pluto) opposing (Jupiter conjunct Saturn conjunct Neptune)

but can that really be enough to consitute a strong 9th harmonic composite?

My friend and her husband have a T-square of Sun (conj. saturn) opposing Moon square Uranus.
And NN semisextile Moon and quinkunx Sun exact, while SN semisextiles Sun and quinkunx MOon exact.

Is thta a strong one? Yeah, well I guess so, even though it is using semisextiles here, but it is symmetrical at least.

For my brother and his girlfriend

Yeah well I can see that

Grand Cross of
Pluto conjunct DESC on 2-3 Cancer
Neptune conjunct ASC 1-2 Cap (and Sun on 8 Cap)
Saturn, NN on 0-2 Libra

And a Venus-Moon conjunction from 29 CAncer - 3 leo, part of

Yod with

Neptune 1 Cap
Mercury 1 Gem

But yeah I surely expected something else in terms of my parents than "only" this opposition.