posted February 11, 2016 08:52 AM            

yes, there are more positive ones. And one that comes up for me is "dissolving of boundaries", though I also wonder if the recent Cancer deaths are an ugly expression of the Saturn-netpune-square on a global scale.

Anyway, I rather like Don McBrooms interpretation here: (maybe not like it, but it makes sense to me)

"Giving substance to the dream. Making the intangible tangible. claryfying the nebulous. possibly losing touch with reality or having a clouded sense of reality. bending the rules. possible blurred or unclear boundaries. or deception to gain control."
(just two extremes of the range of interpretation. I like the first two lines especially. BTW this is on p. 205)
http://www.nordlicht.ru/stars/english/Don%20Mcbroom%20-%20Midpoints.pdf

posted February 11, 2016 08:55 AM            

the new Moon on the DESC looks very important. What did happen? And what did it mean to him? Seems to have affected him on a deep and allencompassing level and maybe involving another person (you?).

posted February 11, 2016 09:01 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Sunnya,

the new Moon on the DESC looks very important. What did happen? And what did it mean to him? Seems to have affected him on a deep and allencompassing level and maybe involving another person (you?).

Do planets of your natal composites conjunct or oppose this Sun-Moon-DESC within, let`s say 2-3 degrees at most?

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Ceri, just a quick question about your comment on Sunnya's composite, how do we know that it's a new moon? I still haven't learned much about it. Thank you!

posted February 11, 2016 09:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Sunnya,

the new Moon on the DESC looks very important. What did happen? And what did it mean to him? Seems to have affected him on a deep and allencompassing level and maybe involving another person (you?).

Do planets of your natal composites conjunct or oppose this Sun-Moon-DESC within, let`s say 2-3 degrees at most?

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Edit: I will go check our natals (I assume you are talking about the multi composite with my natal, his and the moment ).

posted February 11, 2016 09:09 AM            

° Saturn conjunct SN - again with the karmic stuff

° Mercury conjunct Neptune - several possibilities, delusion/ selfdelusion, delving into fantasies, tapping into spirituality, transmitting and receiving telepathic messages, being very much in tune, inspirational, poetic, sensitive attunement, but maybe better nonverbal than verbal communicaton

While Venus does not *seem* to be involved, it is here big time, as

Sun conjunct Venus/Uranus

posted February 11, 2016 09:19 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Sun conjunct Moon = New Moon
(Sun opposite Moon = full moon)

Sorry I see I was really looking at the multicomposite, which for some reason I am not so convinced of as a method. lol

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Ah ooops lol.

There are natal connections on both charts. But I will just mention the ones related to the composite + him then.

posted February 11, 2016 10:28 AM            

This is the event chart composite for the moment I found out the meeting i was about to attend yesterday was in the interest of protecting, not just any forest, but one in which I have spent a great deal of time. It's a unique wetland ecosystem in our city and it was behind my high school. Some developers want to... well, develop it. The last (crooked) civic government sold it to this group of people .. but there are still a few avenues for resistance (it hasn't been re-zoned; it Never should have been sold--etc). There is a strong resistance building and media coverage of same. This matters a lot to me.

Can this method be used for prediction or in any way similar to horary I wonder? This chart.. does it describe outcomes, or my feelings?

Moon in Aquarius in the 3rd makes sense, given I'll need to be communicating and seeing things from a vast perspective, somewhat revolutionary and detached.. though it is very emotional for me.

Ceres-earth protection--on my natal North Node.
 Diana figuring prominently, conjunct my natal Moon... This all makes sense. The Saturn-Mercury-Pluto-Node stellium is intense!

posted February 11, 2016 10:47 AM            

Oh oh... ok here's HIS event chart with that moment--I texted him right away to let him know that this was a forest I'd met before... he was the one who let me know about the meeting.

Fascinating because Saturn is on my natal Sun/progressed Venus/Asc/Draconic Asc/9th harmonic Vertex... Saturn trine Sun/Moon there in Pisces. He is certainly dedicated to the cause. And note Diana on the Midheaven here lending credence to the significance of this chart as relates to the issues and themes at hand. Recall maybe that we have an Amor-Diana-Moon stellium in composite... our love of wild places is really deeply shared..

posted February 11, 2016 11:12 AM            

We have Jupiter-Ceres and Saturn-Pluto here in Sag--maybe note the emphasis on Sag in all 3 charts.. very much about long-term long-range preserving (Jupiter-Ceres) the land in its integral state... yes? But Saturn-Pluto is there representing in my mind the threat of development. Saturn-Pluto is castles built on sand though--according to Bodrogi--so this could bode well or ill for the forest... not sure, insight very appreciated.

Mercury-Venus in the 2nd points to special eloquence and charm when we join forces in this matter--2nd house being resources and in my opinion raw resources--land in its natural state. Trine the Moon in the 7th might give diplomacy? It relates to the fact that our emotions are very much depending on the actions of others as well as on legal proceedings/decisions to a great extent. And we see the obvious emotional charge with Jupiter opposite Moon there...

posted February 11, 2016 12:34 PM            

the charts might describe your experience of a moment, the activated themes, and as such bear relation to the outcome of course, but I donīt believe any outcome is fixed, but depends on how you give expression to the constellations.

posted February 11, 2016 12:46 PM            

I think that at important events within a connection there will be close conjunctions of the natal composite to the eventcomposite (of major players, like Sun, Moon, angles, nodal axis, Vertex, Venus, Saturn etc. I wouldnīt really delve too deeply into the asteroids before having analyzed if there was major impact. though of course they add some specifics at how the impact was or of what kind).

I even go as far as to say, if there is NO tight conjunction/ opposition from the composite to the eventcomposite, then this event might not have too strong relation to the union/ connection of two people, at least not in the way that it was a shared experience (which is what the conjunctions of composite to event-composite really show).

The conjunctions to the natal rather show how one person might become instrumental in the experience, sort of triggering it, or at least activating certain aspects of the event. which can be pretty onesided actually.

For example if A`s Sun conjuncted B`s Eventcomposite Sun-Venus-conjunction (in the Mars/Uranus-mp), Sun probably would activate that picture in B, possibly making B go completely crazy and on the verge of exploding with romantic and sexual attraction.

however if none of B`?s natal planets (nor composite planets) activated A`s event compsite, A would probably not be all that involved, and their experience of the moment could actually have more to do with somebody else than B, no matter how much B wished it were them.

On the other hand some event-composite might have some beautiful constellations, but also some very darkish, gloomy ones, and now if A activated (through conjunction/ opposition mainly) the beautiful ones in Bs eventcomposite, then B might have had a day that really sucked in parts, but then A came along and just became a light in the dark, so to speak, by igniting the lovely aspects of that composite.

Of course it can also be the other way round,t hat would not be so nice. Having a roundabout good day, but some other person activating the constellation that spell melancholy, isolation and heartbreak might not result in a too desireable experience for B.

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bottomline natal planets and/or natal composite planets conjunct/opposite eventcomposite indicate the activation of the event composite (in a relationship-context) and the shared experience and meaning of it (esp. the natal composite highlighting the shared experience). or the lack thereof.

BTW I think tight squares work, too, as activation tool, but come with a bit more of tension/ friction.

For example I just look at the eventcomposite of the moment when mr Sag was blurting out I was driving him crazy on stage.

Well the composite shows

Sun (24 Pisces) conjunct Venus (22 Pisces) opposing
Mars (26 Virgo) and possibly Mercury (20 Virgo).

Which was important for him, as it fell onto his natal Saturn-DESC-conjunction on 25-26 Virgo.

Anyway I do not have conjunctions there (unless we count Draco ASC on 26 Pisces), but my Sun-Mercury-conjunction is square from 25 Sag. esp. to his Mars-Sun-opposition.

For me it was easier, as i was having

Moon (24 Cap) conjunct Uranus (23 Cap) conjunct Neptune (23 Cap),
activated by his n Venus (25 Cap) and composite Moon (22 Cap) most probably.

On top of it event composite Venus on 12 Pisces in a wide opposition to event composite Saturn on 17 Virgo (which I usually would not even consider valid. lol)

But interestingly enough my event composite Venus was conjunt my n Jupiter and opposing his n Mars-Jupiter by one degree only, though on her own she wasn`t really doing that much in the composite (and the comment totally blindsided me, did not see it coming at all, though in retrospect, the hints were there. lol)

posted February 11, 2016 01:25 PM            

I understand, it makes totally sense.
I only really listed the closest conjunctions and oppositions (there were other aspects) and I could have missed something. For example, I think the Sun/Venus conjunction in the composite squares Sun of the him/event composite for example. Composite Mars opposes the Vertex, but I understand you mean it's usually not enough.

posted February 11, 2016 02:17 PM            

Well I am just trying to make sense of it, and I need to start with the basics and focus, cause otherwise I would list aspect over aspect but lose the sense of what it all means. So I am all for the specific aspects right now, even though they may not be that many.

Besides usually my guideline is simple, if looking at a chart doesn`t grab me somehow and makes my skin tingle, then it probably is not that breathtaking anyway.
STrong significant charts are like bells that ring, and they ring LOUDLY, you can`t overhear them, even if you might miss a subtle note. If you have to look for the little notes, well probably not that outstanding chart to begin with.

posted February 11, 2016 02:23 PM            

When I saw how close our composite Sun was to his EVC-DESC, I picked the time the composite Sun would be EXACT on the DESC, which will be the case 18 minutes after the official start of the concert.

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A very distinct chartshape, a bundle in this case, or wedge.

Even if you donīt know anything about chartshapes, this one is pretty much screaming "focus" and "intensification", maybe also "internalization".
So I guess the concertexperience for me will not be so much as branching out and socializing with a lot of people, but somehow I get a more concentrated and well, focused feeling from that chartshape, also with the really weird stellium in Capricorn there!

Scorpio is a slow rising sign, so chances are it will be on the ASC for the whole concert experience, so shaping my experience as well; actually I think the bundle shape itself is already so Scorpionic (as being very focused on one thing). and then there are both rulers of Scorpio, being conjunct at the focus/ apex of this bundle chart, even though the Mars-Pluto-conjunction is of course separating and as we know has been exact yesterday for me.

It might not look too funny, easygoing, but more so purposedly, or goal-oriented, though seriously? my only goal going there is having a good time, and just enjoy being there. lol

But speaking as an astrologer, this chart is screaming something, I am not quite sure wht it is screaming, but doesn`t look really frazzled to me nor like a simple this-is-going-to-be-fun-chart.

I guess I would need to look for a while to find such a concise chart again. Not that this means it is going to be nice or pleasant, whatever it is going to be, it seems intense.

posted February 11, 2016 04:02 PM            

to be honest I have not yet made up my mind about his, other than it looks.... weird.

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Interestingly however is that the widish Mercury-Mars-square comes with a semisquare of Mars to Pluto (0°00) and Mercury to Moon (1°40).

While there is not a semisquare of Mars to Moon (would be about 3 degrees),

it is interesting that Moon is conjunct Mercury/Mars - mp (0°41)

Also while astro.com does not draw it in, there is a minor triangle (like I have it between Saturn, Sun and Mars),

and his triangle is between Lilith - Venus/Uranus/Sun - Moon/Pluto.

Pluto conjunct Venus/Lilith (0°18)
Pluto conjunct Sun/Lilith (0°33)
Pluto conjunct Uranus / Lilith (0°57)

Moon is not yet in orb for becoming a focal picture of these, so it seems the emphasis is a Plutonic one in this case.

Interestingly my natal Mars is at 5°10 Sagittarius. lol

Well mine are of course more sober, somehow with Mars conjunct Sun/Saturn (btw we do have this very same midpoint picture in our natal composite, too. Sun trine Saturn both sextile Mars - though in composite on the NN).

Of course this here comes with more midpoint pictures as I have some planets that are approximately sextile each other for example

NN and ASC conjunct Mars/Saturn (0°17)

Jupiter conjunct ASC/Sun at some point at least

And then there is this innocent looking Moon, but having a closer look we find

Moon conjunct Mercury/Pluto 0°11
Moon conjunct Venus/Pluto 0°59
Moon conjunct Neptune / Pluto 1°02
Moon conjunct Uranus/Pluto 1°04

pulling that widish sextile of Pluto to the Mercury-Venus-uranus-Neptune stellium together, crystallizing and channelling it through the lunar expression.

And what about that Moon?

conjunct my natal Mercury (0°15 s)
conjunct my natal Sun (0°39 a)
conjunct his natal Sun widely (1°40)
(square his natal ASC too)
conjunct our composite Sun (1°09a)

posted February 11, 2016 04:20 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Sunnya,

I think that at important events within a connection there will be close conjunctions of the natal composite to the eventcomposite (of major players, like Sun, Moon, angles, nodal axis, Vertex, Venus, Saturn etc. I wouldnīt really delve too deeply into the asteroids before having analyzed if there was major impact. though of course they add some specifics at how the impact was or of what kind).

I even go as far as to say, if there is NO tight conjunction/ opposition from the composite to the eventcomposite, then this event might not have too strong relation to the union/ connection of two people, at least not in the way that it was a shared experience (which is what the conjunctions of composite to event-composite really show).

The conjunctions to the natal rather show how one person might become instrumental in the experience, sort of triggering it, or at least activating certain aspects of the event. which can be pretty onesided actually.

For example if A`s Sun conjuncted B`s Eventcomposite Sun-Venus-conjunction (in the Mars/Uranus-mp), Sun probably would activate that picture in B, possibly making B go completely crazy and on the verge of exploding with romantic and sexual attraction.

however if none of B`?s natal planets (nor composite planets) activated A`s event compsite, A would probably not be all that involved, and their experience of the moment could actually have more to do with somebody else than B, no matter how much B wished it were them.

Edit

bottomline natal planets and/or natal composite planets conjunct/opposite eventcomposite indicate the activation of the event composite (in a relationship-context) and the shared experience and meaning of it (esp. the natal composite highlighting the shared experience). or the lack thereof.

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Ceri, may I ask you, what if there are tight conjunctions/oppositions to the event-composite from both persons natals?
I mean
event - natal A composite -----> natal A
event - natal B composite -----> natal B

There are even important conj/opp. like this :
event - natal A composite -----> natal B
event - natal B composite -----> natal A

but not so many significant conj/opp. from each person's event-compo to the natal compo?

posted February 11, 2016 05:20 PM            

I think I have read about the geometry shapes but I am in no way close to know what I am talking about, but this shape seemed familiar.

Yes and yes! All those tight orbs and I love especially the Moon aspects. Moon = emotions and mind processes... It's (in my humble opinion) as important as the Sun in an event chart with a love theme.

Oh I am wishing I could go with you to those concerts lol. All these aspects, I can just imagine the, how to put it, "hurricane" of feelings you guys go through. I wonder what your Aqua Moon says about it!

I have yet to look better but on the progressed composite I think there were a few conjunctions there. But I will keep it simple, as long as he keeps getting "hit" by the love hammer I am fine . lol

posted February 11, 2016 10:38 PM            

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as for the concert on saturday and my bleak midpoint in the event-composite of Pluto conjunct Saturn/Neptune, well it just struck me that the composite with Lancelot has that as well, one of the tightest direct midpoints: Pluto conjunct Saturn/neptune. Hu?

BTW while the natal composite only has two connections to my event-composite (Neptune conjunct Jupiter 1°02 and Node conjunct Node 2°23), there are some more with his event-composite, though they are not exact:

Sun conjunct Venus 2°46 a
Sun oposite Jupiter 2°40 s
Moon conjunct Pluto 0°08 (if I have rectified his birthtime correct, if not the conjunction might be wider)
Mars conjunct Uranus 0°15
MN conjunct Saturn 2°17

Oh and something I found interesting Tr Sun is conjunct the natal composite Sun.

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Ow wow ^,

.. we had this (1st meeting and when it all started abruptly / were together for 3 days from the very first moment our eyes met and that moment you see below);

[yea let's embrace some new terms, EVC = Event Compo]

- His EVC Venus; 17'53 Gem
Our Compo Sun; 19'12 Gem
Our Compo Neptune; 19'09 Sag

(^ coincidentally our strongest Compo aspect that Sun/Nept)

- His EVC Jupiter; 27'58 Gem
Our Compo Moon; 28'26 Sag

TO my natal;

- His EVC Sun exact conj Mars; 27'03 Cancer
My natal Venus 29'51 Cancer

- His EVC Neptune; 7'38 Aqua
My natal Sun; 7'25 Leo

(^ this one is really interesting as my natal Sun is not only exactly quincunx his Neptune but also quincunx transit Neptune AND we have that Sun/Neptune DW exact quincunx in our synastry with result that compo Sun/Neptune opp I mentioned above)

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MY EVC Sun; 15'16 virgo
Our Compo Asc; 15'19 virgo

(^ 3 minutes lol)

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