posted April 04, 2016 11:16 AM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
Hi Faith!
Actually and quite ironically today there is an exact conjunction of transit Sun 15 14 Aries on my draconic Mercury 15 23 Aries and Sun 17 16 Aries..I just looked because honestly today I think I finally and really get what we are talking about in dracos. I just now began to grasp the meaning of them, I mean. And...the conj. is today!! So, yeah, sure.. absolutely nothing seriously worth talking about.
Freedom of speech!

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My dr Venus 16 Aries
My tr Jupiter 16 Aries

So hiiiiii

posted April 04, 2016 11:21 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
My dr Venus 16 Aries
My tr Jupiter 16 Aries

So hiiiiii

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posted April 04, 2016 11:22 AM            

You hear me?

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posted April 04, 2016 11:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
It means NOTHING.

You hear me?

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Yesssss, I hear youuuu!!!

ETA : Please remind me again if you will, do I recall correctly your tropical moon about 18 pisces? My draco venus is 20 Pisces, lol

posted April 04, 2016 11:32 AM            

btw I agree with the quote with Lotiswhite with the exception that I don`t think it is something really "new", but that it is only new in the sense that we haven`t been aware of it maybe before, but it`s always been a part of us. After all the nodal axis is the point on earth where the Moon`s path is crossing the ecliptic (the Sun`s path), and Moon and Sun are very much an integral part of our Selves already.

As for the signs, I am maybe the wrong person as my Draco signs are emphasized in my natal anyway, though through planetary connections.

For example my Draco Mars and ASC in Pisces is already indicated by Neptune conjunct Mars and ASC.
And my Sun-Mecury-Venus in Aries is being indicated probably by those planets in 1st house plus Mars conjunct my NN and ASC.

Another thing is that often it seems other people, especially those who know us very well, can see the Draco signs working in us more clearly than we often can do so on our own, especially if they have a tropical planet conjunct, like in the case with my best friend. my brother also once pointed out that he thought of me as assertive, confident, sometimes a little combative and engaging, well he really surprised me back then (when we did those psycho analysis of each other, we do have a thing for doing weird things my little brother and me . lol like Enneagrams for each other) when he said that cause I really did not think of me as assertive at all.
But he even surprised me more when he wanted to point out one of my basic traits/ qualities and saying it was that I was "attractive", but he didnīt mean it in any weird way, and to be honest I was laughing at him loudly when he said that, but he then elaborated that he meant it in the way that I sort of "pull people in" and "attract strong attention without really trying to, just because of the way your personality radiates out".
It left me gobsmacked, I did not see it like that. I still donīt, but I liked the way he saw me, especially since to him it was positive. lol

Interestingly his tropical Venus is at 13 Aries (and Mars at 7 Aries), so his Venus conjuncts my Draco Sun and DRaco Mercury.

I think he really sees that in me I guess. Though It could also simply be the fact that Sun is there, so more a Leonine kind of thing, not strictly ARies-like.

Other than that I think if taking signs into account, it isn`t enough to say they are about this or that quality (like Geminis are flighty, unreliable etc.), in fact I think that is bad astrology anyway, even if applied to the tropical. It does not cut to the heart of what Gemini is about, and that is communication, connecting, mostly in a mental way, and yes that can sometimes mean being flighty or just curious, charming, outgoing whatever. But the thing is these adjectives are only one possible manifestation of the basic need/ impulse that drives a Gemini, and as long as we have not understood these basic impulses or drives, our interpretation of signs will always just skim the surface.

But all in all, yes I think the signs might take a backseat compared to the overlays, aspects.

posted April 04, 2016 11:34 AM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:

Yesssss, I hear youuuu!!!

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Good.

Yes my moon @ 18 Pisces. Awwww! Conjunct your dr Venus.

posted April 04, 2016 11:36 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Good.

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posted April 04, 2016 11:39 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Mar,

btw I agree with the quote with Lotiswhite with the exception that I don`t think it is something really "new", but that it is only new in the sense that we haven`t been aware of it maybe before, but it`s always been a part of us. After all the nodal axis is the point on earth where the Moon`s path is crossing the ecliptic (the Sun`s path), and Moon and Sun are very much an integral part of our Selves already.

As for the signs, I am maybe the wrong person as my Draco signs are emphasized in my natal anyway, though through planetary connections.

For example my Draco Mars and ASC in Pisces is already indicated by Neptune conjunct Mars and ASC.
And my Sun-Mecury-Venus in Aries is being indicated probably by those planets in 1st house plus Mars conjunct my NN and ASC.

Another thing is that often it seems other people, especially those who know us very well, can see the Draco signs working in us more clearly than we often can do so on our own, especially if they have a tropical planet conjunct, like in the case with my best friend. my brother also once pointed out that he thought of me as assertive, confident, sometimes a little combative and engaging, well he really surprised me back then (when we did those psycho analysis of each other, we do have a thing for doing weird things my little brother and me . lol like Enneagrams for each other) when he said that cause I really did not think of me as assertive at all.
But he even surprised me more when he wanted to point out one of my basic traits/ qualities and saying it was that I was "attractive", but he didnīt mean it in any weird way, and to be honest I was laughing at him loudly when he said that, but he then elaborated that he meant it in the way that I sort of "pull people in" and "attract strong attention without really trying to, just because of the way your personality radiates out".
It left me gobsmacked, I did not see it like that. I still donīt, but I liked the way he saw me, especially since to him it was positive. lol

Interestingly his tropical Venus is at 13 Aries (and Mars at 7 Aries), so his Venus conjuncts my Draco Sun and DRaco Mercury.

I think he really sees that in me I guess. Though It could also simply be the fact that Sun is there, so more a Leonine kind of thing, not strictly ARies-like.

Other than that I think if taking signs into account, it isn`t enough to say they are about this or that quality (like Geminis are flighty, unreliable etc.), in fact I think that is bad astrology anyway, even if applied to the tropical. It does not cut to the heart of what Gemini is about, and that is communication, connecting, mostly in a mental way, and yes that can sometimes mean being flighty or just curious, charming, outgoing whatever. But the thing is these adjectives are only one possible manifestation of the basic need/ impulse that drives a Gemini, and as long as we have not understood these basic impulses or drives, our interpretation of signs will always just skim the surface.

But all in all, yes I think the signs might take a backseat compared to the overlays, aspects.

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posted April 04, 2016 11:43 AM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:

Ok, I will simply list them all to save time, I am sure there are more, too lol

dr. Sun 17 16 Aries
dr. Merc. 15 23 Aries (opp. my trop. Saturn 16 31 Libra)
dr. Moon 27 39 Taurus (on my tr. Chiron 26 54 tau)
dr. Venus 20 24 Pisces (nothing tropical there)
dr. Mars 10 47 Cancer
dr. Pluto 10 57 Cancer (on my tr. Node, does that even count? lol)
dr. Saturn 3 15 Cancer (on my tr. Venus 3 40)
dr. Jupiter 18 09 Cancer
dr. Uranus 17 25 Leo
dr. Neptune 11 30 Virgo (on my tr. Moon 10 56 Virgo)
dr. Asc 14 57 Libra (on my tr. Saturn 16 31 Libra)
dr. MC 8 13 Leo
dr. IC 8 13 Aqua - apparently lol - on his tropical Sun 8 42 Aqua!!!!!!!

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* Your dr moon conjunct my dr sun @ 25 Taurus.
* Your dr IC-MC axis conjunct my tr ASC-DSC @ 7 Leo.

This is my natal-draconic comparison chart, please no one quote:

Oh look at that!

posted April 04, 2016 11:46 AM            

"when we did those psycho analysis of each other, we do have a thing for doing weird things my little brother and me . lol like Enneagrams for each other"
How beautiful!!! I love it! We do that, too! I meant the psychoanalyze part
In a recent thread Aunt made, where she successfully guessed my personality type, lol, before me even taking the test, I answered her with my brother's findings lol! I mean I asked him if he considers me a abcdef type, he said yes and I answered immediately to Aunt! Maybe he knows me more than myself, lol! And I think I know him better than himself also

posted April 04, 2016 11:56 AM            

"I forgot my dr moon was conjunct your sun!"
Yeah, lol, not only my Sun!!!
I have natal Dsc 28 14 cancer, Mercury 28 40 Cancer and Sun 0 32 Leo ---> your dr. Moon (?28? degrees of cancer) ----> your tr. Saturn i in the beginning of leo

Then your dr. Sun 25 Taurus -----> my draconic Moon 27 Taurus ------> my natal Chiron 26 54 taurus (did I traumatize you somehow???!!! hopefully not )

My draco Venus 20 Pisces -----> your tr. Moon 18 Pisces

My draco IC/MC conj. your tr. Dsc/Asc and your Mercury if I see well?

posted April 04, 2016 12:02 PM            

Now my dr moon (28 Cancer) feels clingy on you and I don't know what to do...

Make lunch I guess.

posted April 04, 2016 12:04 PM            

So, it's a Sun-Moon double whammy of some sort...hmmm...how interesting! These days were so productive learningwise astrologically, I mean East Point, dracos, event compos, my thirst for this knowledge is indescribable

posted April 04, 2016 12:10 PM            

"Also, recently I started thinking that the Dracos actually becomes stronger the longer we are around someone or are connected to someone."

"Vertex-connections seems to be like a "lightening/ flash", but the nodes are more about a path, an evolving (or re-membering), but this takes time, I mean it`s there from the beginning but I doubt most people can fathom and grasp it from the beginning though most might feel there is "something" there they can`t quite grasp.
However of course everyone has a choice, and if the tropical synastry is just poor and non-attractive, people might not be that inclined to delve into that or letting anyone see their deeper Selves.
I mean would you want someone you don`t even like see what you are really about?"

posted April 04, 2016 12:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yun,

that is interesting about Dawn`s approach. I appreciate her a lot (though I do not agree with every little detail, but most of it makes sense).
Which conjunctions did she find in your comparision?

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The first thing she noted was his draconic Moon conjunct my natal Moon (a balm to my blistered psyche which has been contemplating the Moon-Moon conjunction between him and that girl-yaaargh!! lol...).

As I said the orbs seem wide to me (his dr. Moon conjunct my natal moon by 5'25', in Capricorn), but if it's good enough for Dawn I guess it better be good enough for me.

What's interesting about his chart is that his natal North Node is just about at 28 degrees of Gemini, meaning his whole draconic chart is square his natal! So squares become conjunctions in draco-tropical synastry... It shows in his personality too, poor dear. Very driven though.

Anyway, here's a concise list of the conjunctions she made note of before stopping:

My dr Vertex 25' Gemini conjunct his trop. NN 28' Gemini

His dr Asc 16 Pisces conjunct my trop. NN 11 Pisces

My d. Sun 10' Sag conjunct his trop. desc. ruler Jupiter 10' Sag, and his Uranus, 9' Sag

Aaaand his draconic Jupiter/Uranus are of course at 13/11 Virgo, conjunct my tropical South Node...

His d. Moon is also conjunct my natal Saturn, closer orb than my natal Moon (2') and Uranus (5'). She said I would like the feeling of security this brings, it might be harder for him though

I think that's mostly all of what she made note of.

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I think however oppositions are equally important as conjunctions, as the nodes are of course an axis and not a single point.

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Oh for sure... agreed. I don't know that she said only conjunctions, but she certainly did focus on them and didn't need to delve deeper especially, perhaps?

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I am finding a lot of Draco-Draco-synastry, but usually there are "entry-points" or hooks into the tropical, too.

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This makes sense to me...

For instance, a little obscure but still interesting, and not hooked in by degree but by mirroring the natal synastry in funny ways, I noticed this morning:

His draconic Descendant is parallel my draconic Mars, which is a mirror of our natal picture, his Mars conjunct my natal descendant

His draconic Sun in opposition to my draconic Chiron, 1 degree-- in our tropical natals, my Sun is opposite HIS Chiron...

His draconic Sun is parallel my draconic Psyche... my tropical Sun is conjunct his tropical Psyche

Another cool thing is that my draconic Psyche is conjunct his draconic Moon-- so that's a yin/yang complementary mirror of our natal situation, his Psyche on my Sun...

And then my draconic Eros is trine his Moon, and both my draconic Eros and Psyche are sextile his draconic Venus... so it is at the midpoint of these two.

His draconic Eros is conjunct my draconic Psyche also.

But anyhow, these are subtle strange connections to the tropical natals calling back from the draco-draco, but still noteworthy I think!

We also have some nice draco-draco stuff, like Sun parallel Sun and Sun conjunct Moon.

There is a Pluto square Venus in there... of course it's his Pluto square my Venus. That dr. Pluto also opposes my dr. Moon 3', and trines my dr. Mercury.

His draconic Uranus is (ooof course) square my dr. Sun, sextile my dr. Venus... and my draconic Uranus is CONJUNCT his dr. Sun. We feel it. lol... I love Uranus though... I really do. I discovered that during a pivotally creative (and doggone totally batsh*t crazy time in my life), transiting Uranus was conjunct my North Node. Makes a WHOLE lot of sense!!! I LOVED it. Still think of it so fondly... anyways..

The dr. Suns, though parallel, are semisquare also.

His dr. Saturn trine my dr. Sun, opp. my dr. Moon, trine my dr. Mercury, and square my dr. Venus.

... anyway, yeah, really I'm inclined to just view the whole draco-draco as a normal/souped up/deeper/extra sensory/long-term-applicable synastry comparison in its own right, as per what Orange said, which has been ringing in my ears ever since I read it last night... "what's REALLY going on here?" heh... indeed... it's fun to look at it like this.

posted April 04, 2016 12:55 PM            

Anyway!

His Mars trines my Neptune and Moon (so we have Nep-Mars d/w). His Mars also trines my Saturn. So my maturity is able to temper the crazy. I need to bring my Saturn into the picture more overall and really be responsible about it in this relationship. It is nice, after all, to have this Mars-Saturn trine in there especially given our natal pictures of Mars sq. Saturn (me) and Mars opp. Saturn (him)...

Of course with Mars (by some accounts a minor malefic, as you know... "when it's 'bad'" you say, lol...), the chances of the 7th house manifesting the 'open enemies' factor is heightened at least a little bit But the drive and energy that's there to relate is considerable, and will fuel the interactions one way or another.

It's tough for me being along his Saturn-Mars opposition axis with my Asc. Desc., I'll tell ya. It feels like I'm really cut out for the job though, you know? Our composite North Node is also smack dab right on his Mars, and exactly opposite his Vertex.

So there's a Mars theme... there's more to it than this too... very interesting. Sooo much energy!!!

Interestingly, his tropical Mars-Mercury in Taurus, though they square our composite Sun-Mercury-Venus, actually are conjunct these when we compare his draconic chart to the tropical composite.

It's important for him I think to have something to complete this opposition into a grand cross, and our composite chart does do that for him. He doesn't have a lot of opportunities for complementary aspect completion in his chart, but we works with what's there lol... mostly yods

He completes a mystic triangle for me, with his Mercury, chart ruler, in Taurus opposite my Mercury, sextile my Chiron, and trine my Moon-Neptune. I appreciate that...

posted April 04, 2016 01:12 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Oh, that's not overreaching!! In fact, he and I WERE kind of enemies in the past! We have our share of blow-outs these days too... Your theory is sound, it's not out of the question by any means. This aspect certainly seems to require a lot of tact, compassion and love (as well as conscious channeling of the energy) so that the balance isn't tipped toward enmity. Luckily we don't have other hard Mars aspects, apart from my Mars square his Neptune/NN... and I guess his Mars widely opposes my Mercury... ermm... lol-- okay so the enmity is felt! So is the EXTREME SEXINESS lol.. but it's not "I hate you" sex, at all. That's Mars-Pluto (god I'm glad not to be in that anymore). It's just hot. Mars-Desc.. it's.. hot.

Anyway!

His Mars trines my Neptune and Moon (so we have Nep-Mars d/w). His Mars also trines my Saturn. So my maturity is able to temper the crazy. I need to bring my Saturn into the picture more overall and really be responsible about it in this relationship. It is nice, after all, to have this Mars-Saturn trine in there especially given our natal pictures of Mars sq. Saturn (me) and Mars opp. Saturn (him)...

Of course with Mars (by some accounts a minor malefic, as you know... "when it's 'bad'" you say, lol...), the chances of the 7th house manifesting the 'open enemies' factor is heightened at least a little bit ) But the drive and energy that's there to relate is considerable, and will fuel the interactions one way or another.

It's tough for me being along his Saturn-Mars opposition axis with my Asc. Desc., I'll tell ya. It feels like I'm really cut out for the job though, you know? Our composite North Node is also smack dab right on his Mars, and exactly opposite his Vertex.

So there's a Mars theme... there's more to it than this too... very interesting. Sooo much energy!!!

Interestingly, his tropical Mars-Mercury in Taurus, though they square our composite Sun-Mercury-Venus, actually are conjunct these when we compare his draconic chart to the tropical composite.

It's important for him I think to have something to complete this opposition into a grand cross, and our composite chart does do that for him. He doesn't have a lot of opportunities for complementary aspect completion in his chart, but we works with what's there lol... mostly yods
He completes a mystic triangle for me, with his Mercury, chart ruler, in Taurus opposite my Mercury, sextile my Chiron, and trine my Moon-Neptune. I appreciate that...

Anyway, blah blah blah, what a long circuitous answer, but it's fun to write it all down somewhere Thanks for reading!

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Thank you for confirming my thought! I get really anxious some times if I understand and think correctly in astrological terms, lol So much to learn yet, but that's the fun part!

Interesting placements in your synastry, you are referring to draco-draco if I understood well, right? I am still reading them, I am a little slow still

Ohhh...yods and mystical triangles, lol, I can't describe you how happy I am Ceri began this thread RIGHT NOW, it was the most suitable moment for me to finally begin to understand dracos!!!
I am still in awe since yesterday that I found out about ALL of the yods in my draco-draco, draco-natal!!!! It's so amazing!!!

posted April 04, 2016 01:22 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Oops I meant mystic rectangle and at that point I was indulgently referring to tropical synastry... *hangs head*

Actually that was mostly tropical synastry... a really long answer to your question about the Mars-Dsc dynamic and how I perceive it being tempered between us.

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posted April 04, 2016 01:24 PM            

my Dr Pluto 28 Cap and Dr MC 24 Cap
his t Venus 25 Cap

sextile

my Dr Mars 25 Pisces and Dr ASC 26 Pisces
his t ASC 25 Pisces

quinkunx

his Dr Venus 24 Leo

which is opposite

my tMean BML and true BML (24-28 Aquarius)
his D Juno 26 Aquarius

and the other one I remember is this one

my t mean-natural-true BML 24 and 28 Aqua
his D Juno 26 Aquarius

sextile

my t Sun-Mercury 25 Sag
his t Sun 26 Sag
his t Moon-MC 28 Sag

quinkunx

his D Sun 25 Cancer
his D Moon 27 Cancer
his D MC 26 Cancer
his t Juno 27 Cancer
my D IC 28 Cancer

opposite

his tVenus 25 Cap
my DPluto 28 Cap