posted April 04, 2016 06:39 PM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
I just realized - a bit late compared to others lol, how draco-natal and/or draco/draco are indeed the underlying themes beyond the tropical synastry.
I mean as it is probably obvious by now lol, there is an obsessive trait of my feeligs towards him, that is not pictured clearly in the tropical.
Fair enough, I have Mars conj. Pluto natally, so this obsessiveness is part of me inescapably (?) lol, but the only Pluto aspect in the tropical synastry is his Pluto conj. my Mars and Pluto. But since I already have it myself, I always wondered if that's it. I mean it's only one aspect and I am already used to it, isn't that right?..I don't know, maybe I underestimate it, but...
what I found now by looking at dracos again..
My draco Mars and Pluto are conjunct his tropical Moon as well!
And his draco Pluto conjuncts my tropical IC!
So, maybe it's not only one (tropical) aspect after all...I don't know. As I already said maybe I underestimate Pluto-Mars in the tropical

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Oh it's definitely possible to underestimate one's own Mars-Pluto... do so at your peril!! dun dun dunn...

But really, sounds like you're right on track to figuring it out!

posted April 04, 2016 06:47 PM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Mar,

btw I agree with the quote with Lotiswhite with the exception that I don`t think it is something really "new", but that it is only new in the sense that we haven`t been aware of it maybe before, but it`s always been a part of us. After all the nodal axis is the point on earth where the Moon`s path is crossing the ecliptic (the Sun`s path), and Moon and Sun are very much an integral part of our Selves already.

As for the signs, I am maybe the wrong person as my Draco signs are emphasized in my natal anyway, though through planetary connections.

For example my Draco Mars and ASC in Pisces is already indicated by Neptune conjunct Mars and ASC.
And my Sun-Mecury-Venus in Aries is being indicated probably by those planets in 1st house plus Mars conjunct my NN and ASC.

Another thing is that often it seems other people, especially those who know us very well, can see the Draco signs working in us more clearly than we often can do so on our own, especially if they have a tropical planet conjunct, like in the case with my best friend. my brother also once pointed out that he thought of me as assertive, confident, sometimes a little combative and engaging, well he really surprised me back then (when we did those psycho analysis of each other, we do have a thing for doing weird things my little brother and me . lol like Enneagrams for each other) when he said that cause I really did not think of me as assertive at all.
But he even surprised me more when he wanted to point out one of my basic traits/ qualities and saying it was that I was "attractive", but he didnīt mean it in any weird way, and to be honest I was laughing at him loudly when he said that, but he then elaborated that he meant it in the way that I sort of "pull people in" and "attract strong attention without really trying to, just because of the way your personality radiates out".
It left me gobsmacked, I did not see it like that. I still donīt, but I liked the way he saw me, especially since to him it was positive. lol

Interestingly his tropical Venus is at 13 Aries (and Mars at 7 Aries), so his Venus conjuncts my Draco Sun and DRaco Mercury.

I think he really sees that in me I guess. Though It could also simply be the fact that Sun is there, so more a Leonine kind of thing, not strictly ARies-like.

Other than that I think if taking signs into account, it isn`t enough to say they are about this or that quality (like Geminis are flighty, unreliable etc.), in fact I think that is bad astrology anyway, even if applied to the tropical. It does not cut to the heart of what Gemini is about, and that is communication, connecting, mostly in a mental way, and yes that can sometimes mean being flighty or just curious, charming, outgoing whatever. But the thing is these adjectives are only one possible manifestation of the basic need/ impulse that drives a Gemini, and as long as we have not understood these basic impulses or drives, our interpretation of signs will always just skim the surface.

But all in all, yes I think the signs might take a backseat compared to the overlays, aspects.

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This is another reason why i dont believe in Draconic because its usually some person who doesn't know me well insisting that my draconic chart is "the real me" and that they can "see" those traits in me. Its annoying - how the hell would they know?

Then there's also the fact that whatever energies people think theyre picking up on can usually be accounted for via the tropical chart anyway either by planetary aspects or plaentary placements. Someone who seems "arian" could have a prominent or highly aspected mars or a couple explosive mars aspects in their tropical natal chart. Bias will lead a draconic fan to go "this proves the veracity of draconic charts".

To be fair, attributing certain traits or energies to different signs is not bad astrology because all signs have different, distinct energies. Where people go wrong is forgetting that aspects can mitigate things alot, or other planets being more prominent can mitigate things greatly. Which is why you can have shy Leo sun people,etc.

posted April 04, 2016 08:06 PM            

It's all so very interesting.

Why not just take over Ceri's thread and fill it with every single thing you dislike about astrology?

posted April 04, 2016 08:10 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Oh it's definitely possible to underestimate one's own Mars-Pluto... do so at your peril!! dun dun dunn...

But really, sounds like you're right on track to figuring it out!

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posted April 04, 2016 08:16 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Anything else you dislike?

It's all so very interesting.

Why not just take over Ceri's thread and fill it with every single thing you dislike about astrology?

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Yeah, I was wondering about that, too.
If you dislike dracos so much, there is no reason to be here in the first place. Neither you or us will persuade the other, isn't that right? So, EXACTLY as you said, freedom of speech, so why bother telling us that you don't like them? It's ok, nevermind..

posted April 04, 2016 08:25 PM            

You catched me by some minutes and anwered first lol

(draco tip no. 34536309563 : this is probably my draco Ceres 1 leo, hahaha, I noticed that right after you left earlier

posted April 04, 2016 09:02 PM            

Goodnight, thanks for being you, I love your personality!

Cheers

posted April 04, 2016 11:05 PM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Whoa, I just plugged in my draco synastry with someone I have atrocious tropical synastry with and we have a pretty little kite in the draco, plus a Sun/Venus + Sun/Mercury conjunction. This actually illuminates a lot. Great post.

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posted April 04, 2016 11:12 PM            

forgive the redundancy but for organizations sake and because you asked about Dawn's draco reading here it is:

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D's Draconic - K's Natal
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Draconic Black Moon Lilith on my Ascendant. One of the reasons he feels so compelled to be with me. I am facilitating my own Black Moon also. very important.

A real sense of belonging with my Moon and his Moon... his draconic moon is conjunct my natal moon. 1 degree cap 8 degrees cap. Moon falls on my Saturn... i am understood. i belong. feels really comfortable

Draconic affects people very strongly,, can't figure it out, can't control it. At the mercy of his draconic chart. he can't do anything about it.

HIs draconic ascendant conjunct my north node/ceres... nodal contact in the extreme. There to help me with the growth of my nodes.

Draconic Jupiter/Uranus on my South Node. Nodes tremendously stimulated. Draconic Juno squaring my Nodes.

Remember it's all about the nodes.. it does have a profound effect on what's going on between us. This is why I feel so compelled.

My draconic + his Natal

nodal growth is how i move from the past to the present... what this person means as far as my growth is concerned
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My draconic node on his Moon... always ((his Moon 0 Aries my Mars 1 Aries)).

Draconic Mars on his Sun. I am pushing him in some way... stimulating one another to grow. sometimes gets tiring. sometimes it's too much... if you really want to change then you'll embrace it. it's good because his mars is a little problematic. teaching him how to be with his mars what to do with that mars.

Draconic Sun falls on his Jupiter exactly. Embracing that Jupiter, making it warm. Draconic Sun falls on his descendant... one of the best contacts you can have. Will feel my draconic Sun. Will feel Draconic Sun and Draconic Moon. Sun very important. Very much like a natal sun on the descendant.. lighting up that part of the person's life.

My Moon/neptune very near his black moon lilith... 5 degree conjunction. near his Pallas also. My Moon/Neptune draconically at the midpoint of lilith and pallas. very creative inspiration for him. act as a muse.. 
I really understand what he's after.

My Vertex-his Nodes, my Jupiter, his Nodes...
The more genuine I can be, the more his nodes will be stimulated. So that's good. 

My draconic venus 7 scorpio... falling on his Vertex. We like Venus Vertex contacts. Someone will bring something pleasant into the life.

Very strong sense of growth, attraction, stimulation. we are compelled to be together. It's really important for us to be together.

posted April 04, 2016 11:14 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
Anything else you dislike?

It's all so very interesting.

Why not just take over Ceri's thread and fill it with every single thing you dislike about astrology?

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So, i disagree. That making you uncomfortable? Awww....honey i dont care.

You're still under the impression that your existence even matters, thats so cute...in a 16 year old. You just look desperate doing it at your age.

Go take csre of your family. I'm not sure which one matters to you more - them, or me.

posted April 04, 2016 11:19 PM              

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:

Yeah, I was wondering about that, too.
If you dislike dracos so much, there is no reason to be here in the first place. Neither you or us will persuade the other, isn't that right? So, EXACTLY as you said, freedom of speech, so why bother telling us that you don't like them? It's ok, nevermind..

As to that statement for Faith "You have a knack for trying to bully women younger than you on the board, and at your age it's embarrass jng. ", yeah, sure, in my country they say "even the rocks are laughing" It's so obviously NOT the reality, so...no comment beyond that.

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Im not trying to persuade anybody, frankly im not emotionally invested enough in anyones opinion to do that. Im particpating on a forum. Something is amiss with your reading comprehension, kiddo, because no where did i say explicitly or imply that anyone had to agree with me.

i wont be ridiculed into shutting up because ppl dont share my opinion. I share thay same freedom of speech also, so deal. Im fine as long as i dont violate the terms of service.

By the way, the girl the other chick bullied she ran off the board. You wouldnt know about that becuawe you tend to speak without thinking first or even knowing what youre talking about.

posted April 04, 2016 11:29 PM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Anything else you dislike?

It's all so very interesting.

Why not just take over Ceri's thread and fill it with every single thing you dislike about astrology?

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posted April 05, 2016 01:41 AM            

the reason I haven`t responded to your posts so far is that your opinion is of little importance to me.

However I must ask you to stop harassing others with personal insults and assumptions.

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to the others:

please donīt ridicule her either. It just fans the flames. and detracts from the astrological topic.

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To all:

I would appreciate it if we could get back on topic, which, as can be read in my original post, is not IF Dracos work, but HOW.

posted April 05, 2016 01:45 AM            

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Originally posted by athenaia:
Whoa, I just plugged in my draco synastry with someone I have atrocious tropical synastry with and we have a pretty little kite in the draco, plus a Sun/Venus + Sun/Mercury conjunction. This actually illuminates a lot. Great post.

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Why do you think the tropical synastry is atrocious?

To be honest, if the tropical synastry is really unattractive, then i doubt even the strongest Draconics could make people attracted to each other, but I have the suspicion your synastry might not really be that atrocious after all.

Also, if you identify major patterns in your tropical natals or synastry are they moved into significant Draco overlays?

For example:

posted April 05, 2016 01:51 AM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:

Draconic affects people very strongly,, can't figure it out, can't control it. At the mercy of his draconic chart. he can't do anything about it.

Sometimes draconic chart will kick in when synastry isn't particularly exciting. We want to be together because of this nodal contact. we need to, need to have that"

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Interesting about the 2nd part, I would have thought strong tropical synastry was necessary for an everyday-level attraction to even take place.

But anyway, i could imagine that if a connection is ONLY based on Draconic synastry, then it might be very growth-oriented as she sais and maybe karmic in the sense that certain issues are being worked out and if that shall be finished in a certain time, there might be no more reason to stay together?

posted April 05, 2016 01:51 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
To Spongebob,

the reason I haven`t responded to your posts so far is that your opinion is of little importance to me.

However I must ask you to stop harassing others with personal insults and assumptions.

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It doesnt matter to me what you think of me or my views one way or the other.

Did you tell them to stop calling me a troll for not agreeing with them?

This is why most members avoid this section of the forum and the people who frequent it. The clique mentality and the double standards in moderation.

posted April 05, 2016 02:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Spongebob:

It doesnt matter to me what you think of me or my views one way or the other.

Did you tell them to stop calling me a troll for not agreeing with them?

This is why most members avoid this section of the forum and the people who frequent it. The clique mentality and the double standards in moderation.

Dont worry about me ill stick to the other sections of the board. Fell free to make up whatever astrologyntheories you like, kiddo.

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So one more try to get a reaction out of me?

posted April 05, 2016 05:25 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
dont dare It. It dislikes everything.

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Or else it gets the hose again

Anyway I found something interesting. I was bummed to see that his tropical sun/moon mp was only really activated by my Uranus. My tropical sun/moon mp and Venus is square his sun/Venus.
Turns out, his Draco sun/moon mp conjuncts my tropical Venus and sun/moon mp.
Its opposite my Draco sun/moon mp and Draco Venus. Tell me this is good for soul evolution please. At least I'll have something 🙏

posted April 05, 2016 06:51 AM            

So, back to astrology..
Ypu said
"Also, if you identify major patterns in your tropical natals or synastry are they moved into significant Draco overlays?

For example:

my parents have a T-square of my Mom`s Sun to Dad`s Moon and square his Sun, in which his Draco Venus-Jupiter-conjunction falls onto his tropical Sun, and her Draco DESC is conjunct that tropical Sun as well and her Draco Uranus opposes it (while her Draco Saturn conjuncts her own tropical Sun and opposes his tropical Moon)"

What I am struggling to understand though is if we find such patterns or configurations in the draco synastry, what does it really mean, you know? Their "fates" are really so intertwined, it highlights the significance of the bond? How should we interpret patterns like that?

Btw, I looked yesterday into my parents' draco and although they don't have a "blow your mind" draco at a first glance, they complete patterns/configurations for each other in both the tropical and the draco.
What I mean is for example, my dad has a natal T-square and although my mom has no natal placement at the release point of his t-square, she has her draco Moon there!!! The same applies for my mom's tropical minor triangle. The minor triangle has saturn tr. Venus (exact) and the apex is Neptune, but a bit wide (approx.<5d), but here comes my dad's draco Moon and completes the minor triangle to the exact degree!!!
Another thing that blew my mind, perhaps already known to those who know a lot about dracos - I have read myself that there are a lot of connections in families, but didn't find them the first time I looked..
My dad's draco Saturn ----> 12 52 Pisces
my brother's tropical Saturn -----> 12 14 Pisces

My mom's draco Moon -----> 10 36' Virgo
My own tropical Moon -------> 10 56' Virgo!!!

This reminded me of an atricle where I read about the symbolism of Saturn (as natural ruler of the MC among others) as the father and Moon (natural ruler of IC) as the mother. And how Saturn and Moon make another astrological pair, like yin-yang, masculine-feminine etc. Really interesting article, I can barely describe how beautiful are the explanations there, I' ll try to find it if you are interested!

posted April 05, 2016 07:32 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:
Oh nice! Really? And my tr Ceres @ 1 Gemini.

Goodnight, thanks for being you, I love your personality!

Cheers

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Awwww, I just saw that Faith!!!
Thanks so much for your touching words, feels good to hear it now and then!!!
I love yours, too, but I suspect you already know that, lol

Yes, draco ceres 1 leo on my tr. sun and your dr. moon...hahahaha...self-censoring

posted April 05, 2016 08:27 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Why do you think the tropical synastry is atrocious?

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Well, we have Moon/Uranus DWs, Uranus/Venus DWs, and a Moon/Chiron DW.. a nightmare as far as fatalistic astrology is concerned. Much of this is eliminated in the draco, strangely enough..

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To be honest, if the tropical synastry is really unattractive, then i doubt even the strongest Draconics could make people attracted to each other, but I have the suspicion your synastry might not really be that atrocious after all.

Also, if you identify major patterns in your tropical natals or synastry are they moved into significant Draco overlays?

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We are genuinely attracted to each other and have expressed interest in a relationship, I'm just very leery with the synastry (speaking of fatalistic.. guilty as charged). We have a mystic rectangle + plus a grand cross in the tropical synastry itself.

In my own natal I have a kite, and his Sun is conjunct my Neptune which activates the apex of the configuration.
In the draco, the apex of our kite is my Jupiter - which is the nadir of my kite in my natal, so the draco reverses it. His tropical Pluto is conjunct my draco Jupiter, so again he's the one "activating" it. Kinda interesting to think about.

In the draco, his Vertex makes a conjunction to my tropic Neptune, so could possibly activate it too.

I guess I'd say when it comes to everyday, mundane interactions he and I have quick conversations that immediately get to the point, we can read in between the lines with one another and communicate flawlessly with just "a look" - something he's mentioned time and time again throughout the years. Though we are prone to petty power struggles with one another and can get snappy - that's probably the topical grand cross.