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Ceridwen
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posted April 06, 2016 09:19 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
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Vey unequal triggering of draco, I don't know why btw..

The Draco to draco is shown above lol


The unequal triggering is interesting.

Well as for Yods and other configurations, i would count them, particularly if there are corners that are conjunct or opposite.

However as Yun said it is about prioritizing, and so I would look for the strongly activating aspects (conjunction, opposition, possibly square, not sure about it though) first.

As you can see in the analysis of Yuns` Draco chart by Dawn Bodrogi, she focused pretty much absolutely on the overlays/ conjunctions. personally I add oppositions to it.
The mentioning of the Juno-square might have been done because it was square the nodal axis itself and there were already planets ON the nodal axis.

Probably aspect configurations count, maybe even count a lot, I am just not sure.

Every astrologer I have been reading, has mentioned to concentrate on conjunction and oppositions and squares. Several considered only the conjunction even, which I would not agree with, though it might be the most important aspect or overlay.


BTW the "larger than life" quote really stems from Basil Fearrington, not from me. Or maybe even from Noel Tyl, but I read it on Fearringtons blog. (I do like the expression though and tend to use it myself a bit)


Well he wrote this:
"ou are basically looking for close aspects involving conjunctions, oppositions, and squares. This isn’t the place to get fancy with quincunx’s and so on. Keep it simple."
http://newwayastrology.tumblr.com/post/5048065787/someone-had-asked-me-about-edgar-cayce-in-an


Still I think if there is an overlay (conjunction/ opposition) then the accompanying aspectfigures, if tight, should definitely be looked at more closely.

So my answer is:
In your case I would definitely take this Yod into account.

however, I wouldn´t consider just any Yod in the Draco charts, if it is a Yod, just hovering in the air, but not anchored through a conjunction (preferably also to a tropical planet), I don´t think it will be that prominent.

Also for Draco`s the old rule is true of course, too. Nothing significant in life happens unless there is strong activation (=conjunction, opposition, square because thee are "activation aspects") of the luminaries, angles (in my view: plus Vertex) and Nodes.


Having said that it is interesting how in Draco I am

Sun: Aries
Moon: Gemini
ASC: Pisces


and while the houseplacements stay the same, the houserulerships change, so I have that change:

Neptune, ruler of ASC, conjunct ASC , and being on the AP, which it has to be as my Neptune is right on top of my North Node tropically

Mars, intercepted ruler of ASC, in Pisces conj. ASC, but in 12th house


mercury, ruler of DESC, in Aries in intercepted 1st house

Venus, ruler of intercepted 7th, in Aries in intercepted 1st house

Moon, ruler of IC, in Gemini in 2nd house

Saturn, ruler of MC, in Cancer in 8th house

Venus, ruler of 2nd house, in Aries in intercepted 1st house

Pluto, ruler of 8th house, in Capricorn in 10th house conjunct MC

Mercury, ruler of 3rd house, in Aries in 1st house conjunct Sun

Jupiter, ruler of 9th house, in Cancer in 3rd house

Sun, ruler of 5th house, in Aries in 1st house conjunct Mercury

Uranus, ruler of 11th house, in Aquarius in 11th house on its cusp


Whatever that means. lol

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posted April 06, 2016 09:34 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL just realized I can look at my relationship houses this way!

so the partner pattern of my soul (or best for my growth?) would maybe be something like this:


DESC in Virgo, with Libra intercepted
Mercury in Aries, in 1st house, conjunct Sun (r5)
Venus in Aries in 1st house, square Pluto (r8)


5th house in Leo
Sun in Aries in 1st house conjunct Mercury (r7 and r3)


8th house in Scorpio
Pluto in Capricorn conjunct MC and square Venus (r2 and r7)


Saturn in Scorpio In 8th house as ruler of the MC


And gone is my Sagittarius-preference.

and for Mr Sag that would be looking like this:


DESC in Aries with intercepted Taurus
Mars in Aries in 6th house, conjunct Jupiter (r2)
Venus in Leo in 11th house,

Saturn on DESC as ruler of 2nd and 3rd
Pluto in Taurus in 7th, as ruler of intercepted 1st house

5th house in Aquarius
Uranus in Gemini in 8th


8th house in Gemini
Mercury in Cancer technically still in 8th, but conjunct 9th house cusp by 28 minutes only

Uranus in 8th (as r5)


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posted April 06, 2016 09:38 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Selenite     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yes.

And also if your Draco planet is triggered, it means you are being hit on a deep soul level, which will activate your growth in this realm, and infuse you with a feeling of purpose, like this thing is bigger than the two of you almost.


I really feel this in my relationship with my SO. His natal is an exact mirror image of my draco in terms of planet placements (Sun in Taurus, Mercury in Taurus, Moon Virgo, Cap Mars, Cap Rising) and he's pushed me to grow a ridiculous amount on the soul level, not even sure if he realizes. (i don't think he believes in souls, lol). Our draco Midheavens are at 23-28 Virgo, my draco Venus is in 24 Pisces, and his natal Moon is in 24 Virgo.

As for his draco, it's:
my natal moon 26 Aries
conj. draco Sun in 28 Aries
conj. Mercury 23 Aries
trine Moon in 25 Leo.

My natal Pluto in 28 Scorp:
opposite draco Venus at 27 Taurus. (His natal Sun is also 27 Taurus).

My natal Sun in 20 Sag conjunct his draco Mars in 20 Sag.

My natal SN in 14 Taurus is conjunct his draco Chiron in 14 Taurus.

My natal IC in 8 Scorpio, and my Venus in 9 Scorpio: conjunct his draco Saturn in 7 Scorpio.
opposite Lilith in 9 Taurus.

(My natal Midheaven is conjunct his draco Lilith. I think it's huge.)

Yeah, it's some crazy stuff. Never experienced anything that has even come close to this kind of relationship.

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posted April 06, 2016 09:57 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
The unequal triggering is interesting.

Well as for Yods and other configurations, i would count them, particularly if there are corners that are conjunct or opposite.

However as Yun said it is about prioritizing, and so I would look for the strongly activating aspects (conjunction, opposition, possibly square, not sure about it though) first.

As you can see in the analysis of Yuns` Draco chart by Dawn Bodrogi, she focused pretty much absolutely on the overlays/ conjunctions. personally I add oppositions to it.
The mentioning of the Juno-square might have been done because it was square the nodal axis itself and there were already planets ON the nodal axis.

Probably aspect configurations count, maybe even count a lot, I am just not sure.

Every astrologer I have been reading, has mentioned to concentrate on conjunction and oppositions and squares. Several considered only the conjunction even, which I would not agree with, though it might be the most important aspect or overlay.


BTW the "larger than life" quote really stems from Basil Fearrington, not from me. Or maybe even from Noel Tyl, but I read it on Fearringtons blog. (I do like the expression though and tend to use it myself a bit)


Well he wrote this:
"ou are basically looking for close aspects involving conjunctions, oppositions, and squares. This isn’t the place to get fancy with quincunx’s and so on. Keep it simple."
http://newwayastrology.tumblr.com/post/5048065787/someone-had-asked-me-about-edg ar-cayce-in-an


Still I think [b]if
there is an overlay (conjunction/ opposition) then the accompanying aspectfigures, if tight, should definitely be looked at more closely.

So my answer is:
In your case I would definitely take this Yod into account.

however, I wouldn´t consider just any Yod in the Draco charts, if it is a Yod, just hovering in the air, but not anchored through a conjunction (preferably also to a tropical planet), I don´t think it will be that prominent.

Also for Draco`s the old rule is true of course, too. Nothing significant in life happens unless there is strong activation (=conjunction, opposition, square because thee are "activation aspects") of the luminaries, angles (in my view: plus Vertex) and Nodes.


Having said that it is interesting how in Draco I am

Sun: Aries
Moon: Gemini
ASC: Pisces


and while the houseplacements stay the same, the houserulerships change, so I have that change:

Neptune, ruler of ASC, conjunct ASC , and being on the AP, which it has to be as my Neptune is right on top of my North Node tropically

Mars, intercepted ruler of ASC, in Pisces conj. ASC, but in 12th house


mercury, ruler of DESC, in Aries in intercepted 1st house

Venus, ruler of intercepted 7th, in Aries in intercepted 1st house

Moon, ruler of IC, in Gemini in 2nd house

Saturn, ruler of MC, in Cancer in 8th house

Venus, ruler of 2nd house, in Aries in intercepted 1st house

Pluto, ruler of 8th house, in Capricorn in 10th house conjunct MC

Mercury, ruler of 3rd house, in Aries in 1st house conjunct Sun

Jupiter, ruler of 9th house, in Cancer in 3rd house

Sun, ruler of 5th house, in Aries in 1st house conjunct Mercury

Uranus, ruler of 11th house, in Aquarius in 11th house on its cusp


Whatever that means. lol[/B]



Yes, I understand what you mean, thank you very much for your thorough analysis!!!


"BTW the "larger than life" quote really stems from Basil Fearrington, not from me. Or maybe even from Noel Tyl, but I read it on Fearringtons blog. (I do like the expression though and tend to use it myself a bit)"
Haha, I like that you were honest and mentioned the original source, hahaha! It's a nice expression anyway!


As for the houses, yes, we can get a new perspective and maybe - I dare to say - even a more accurate one! Thanks!!!

Oh I forgot to tell you that I found interesting that my tropical interception of leo/aqua (7th/1st h.) "disappears" in my draco. Instead I have a taurus/scorpio interception there, which btw are the signs of my tropical IC/MC! Do you think this is significant? Sorry, this isn't about draco natals, it's ok if I get no answer lol! You have really helped me a lot so far!

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posted April 06, 2016 11:42 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mar1982delta:

As for the houses, yes, we can get a new perspective and maybe - I dare to say - even a more accurate one! :



Yes, it`s fascinating! I have not looked into it before, the houses I mean, but it just struck me how fitting it seems in terms of this long term girlfriend he had (before getting hastily married to someone he probably knew about a few weeks, he had been in a relationship for 7 years I think). Anyway it always seemed a tiny little weird how his longterm girlfriend`s put her Aquarius-Stellium into his 12th house (she has Sun-Moon-Mercury-Venus-Jupiter in Aquarius, most of them even conjunct), while I of course get the karmic thing and have a fondness for the 12th house, it still seemed a little weird, so many personal planets in 12th house as an overlay (only her Mars was not in his 12th house, actually her Mars is conjunct mine and in his 8th house; an coincidentally the girlfriend he had before that ALSO had Mars in the same degree area).


Anyway in his Draconic chart now his 5th house cusp is on 15 Aquarius, and all those personal planets of hers fall into his Draconic 5th house! (maybe her Moon was at the end of 4th, I do not have her exact time, but honestly, I don`t think so).
It makes a lot of sense actually, they met and each other while working at the same musical, playing a young couple incidentally, and he once (at the end of their relationship actually) was musing and memorizing about when he met her and fell in love with her, and he still seemed rather stunned how this could have happened to him. lol
Or as he said, when he arrived there, full of himself, proud, confident, a hero, and not being able to imagine anything could ever pierce his armour (*sighs* he sometimes seems so much like me that I fail to notice the subtleties of meaning. lol ) , and then suddenly being struck by "Cupid`s arrow", with heart beating in his chest, and she, while being friendly, wouldn`t give him a little chance, and being guarded by her friends as well. and how when he was introducing himself, her response apparently was: "Yes. I know. Your friends already warned me of you."

And how he would go on pleading and begging for her to even just go out for a coffee with him, and she would always tell him `no`.
Well in the end she must have conceded, cause they were a couple for 7 years. lol

But the way he told that, it just sounded so much like the 5th house-way of falling in love, though on a pretty deep (and apparently to him startling level).

I had to grin about that when he told the story, because of how much I could resonate with the utmost surprise at suddenly being overwhelmed by some strange feeling, while being so convinced before to be in-vincible and sort of un-touchable.


Well when he was telling that story he concluded with a sigh: "How quickly years/ time passes by." and continued to drive ME crazy, by teasing me and really pushing for me to participate in that little game he had been thinking of, and me refusing to play along. (though now that I think about it, I think that happened before).


Anyway coincidentally enough that puts MY tropical Moon also into his Draconic 5th house and actually conjunct the cusp (by 2 degrees, so not totally exact,but still there, as my Moon is aligned with his ex`s Sun (and probably Moon).


Too bad I do not have his wife`s birthdate, I really would like to do their synastry.

And no that is not masochism, but astrological curiosity!


BTW I meant to say pay special attention to those planets that are conjoined or square the nodal axis in your tropical synastry (or natal), and check what happens with them in the Draco!

since they are already natally, draconically intertwined with the nodes, the SHOULD be pretty important in the DRaco-charts as well.

And yes I do think it is significant if interceptions change. and the overlays from tropical to Draco and vice versa probably as well, though I have not yet a clear handle on how to interprete them.

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posted April 06, 2016 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh Ceri, you can't imagine how many things I have to tell you, commenting your last post and other observations that I made just now by searching the rulers!!! I don't think I can manage not forgetting something lol..

So I start editting here, this is going to be long, beware


Firstly, on the story with his 7-years girlfriend!
Wow, this is draco-tropical comparison you made and how in fact much more fitting is the draco comparison (btw tr. 12th house---> "karma"----> draco via South Node??) compared to the tropical one, is just mindblowing to me!!!
I was about to tell you for my observations in our draco rulers, but didn't know where to start! It's not the same subject, but it is connected to the rulers!!! Rulers seem to me THE key for dracos now that we discuss it!!!

"an coincidentally the girlfriend he had before that ALSO had Mars in the same degree area)."

Another weird thing!


"*sighs* he sometimes seems so much like me that I fail to notice the subtleties of meaning. lol "
I am happy that you recognize that!!!
You go girl!!!!

""Yes. I know. Your friends already warned me of you." "

"Well in the end she must have conceded, cause they were a couple for 7 years. lol"


"I had to grin about that when he told the story, because of how much I could resonate with the utmost surprise at suddenly being overwhelmed by some strange feeling, while being so convinced before to be in-vincible and sort of un-touchable."

LOL


"Too bad I do not have his wife`s birthdate, I really would like to do their synastry.

And no that is not masochism, but astrological curiosity!"

I would totally do that too, hahahha!
You gotta love the art/science of astrology!!!

"BTW I meant to say pay special attention to those planets that are conjoined or square the nodal axis in your tropical synastry (or natal), and check what happens with them in the Draco!

since they are already natally, draconically intertwined with the nodes, the SHOULD be pretty important in the DRaco-charts as well."

Yeah, I think I made some observations about that yesterday!!! Let me see!

"


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posted April 06, 2016 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh no, really nasty glitch!
All my posts are gone!

After Sunnya's idea, I saved them luckily!

The observation that I made regarding rulers of love houses in draco has to do with the following :

Firstly, I think draco rulers are the absolute proof that dracos really work.
I did a comparison for rulers in my synastry and there is the same theme going on compared to the tropical one.
I mean there is a lack of completion regarding both 8th rulers in both tropical and draco. And although draco is in fact a mathematical thing, since they are defined by the mathematical movement of the nodes/placements, they are also a numerological pattern, exactly as it has been said in this forum.
But with rulers, this mathematical connection between draco and tropical can't follow the same numerological pattern. So, it's NOT obvious that the correlation of rulers in both tropical and draco will be the same. And when it is despite that, it means that dracos are NOT simply a mathematical thing neither a numerological pattern. Which it might be obvious to some people, but a lot would highlight the mathematical correlation behind them to underestimate their importance. Do you see what I mean? I am not sure I can explain it well enough

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posted April 06, 2016 01:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Turns out I only saved the last one lol.
Ceri, your posts vanished, too

I was saying that I am really sorry about your brother. I didn't know.. Hope you are all well!


And then I was saying about what my planets sq. his tr. Nodes do in draco.
I will rewrite it if you are interested, but for now I will hush to help avoiding this glitch hopefully

I am really interested in your opinion about the observations I made above, needless to say! Thanks for all your input!!!

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posted April 06, 2016 02:05 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for HelixID     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote

Nice topic!

Above is the synastry of my babe and me.
His Draconic chart is practically the same as the tropical one since he has the NN in 2° Aries.

It is interesting when I look at my own Draconic chart. My Draconic Ascendant is in 7° Pisces with his tropical Sun sitting right on my Draconic Descendant. My Draconic DSC ruler Mercury is conjunct his Mars and Sun.
Never thought of looking at such things.

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posted April 06, 2016 03:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Sunnya     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@HelixID Nice trines you have there involving the Moon.

And yea, Draconics are fascinating. I am loving to explore it a bit deeper.


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posted April 06, 2016 04:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
Do you see what I mean?

Yes I do.

the planets will be in the same houses as in tropical, but the rulerships can be completely changed, as is the planets in signs.

In this instance I find it interesting that the ruler of my 7th house is STILL Mercury, though granted now it is because of Virgo on the DESC, while in tropical it is because of Gemini on DESC.

However this MErcury is now in Aries (instead of Sagittarius - at least still fire. ha. lol) and of course still in 1st house, just NOW I have a sign intercepted in 1st house, Aries, so this Mercury is in an intercepted 1st house (in tropical there is no interception with the 1st house).

Also I view that very interesting, as Mercury disposits my tropical South Node in Gemini, AND my Draco Moon - in Gemini - is conjunct tropical SN and DESC.

So it seems like the Mercury is even more emphasized, by being so strong on both levels.

It is however of course still conjunct Sun (in Aries in this instance, haha, exalted Sun. lol), so Sun becomes even more prominent in terms of my relationship pattern too. Did anyone murmur: Actor? You don`t have to murmur, my DRaconic chart SCREAMS about attraction (soul-attraction of course ) to actor, performer, but of course also a liking for children or people who can be playful like children are, people who radiate this almost fierce charisma.

(my draconic 5th house is in Leo, in LEO. lol 21 degree of leo. Of course this housecusp is in the decan and duad of Aries, and its ruler, Sun is in Aries, conjunct Mercury, ruler of the DESC)

Well that rather dramatic theatrical part of my soul-relationship pattern gets a little more earthed and calmed down in the tropical chart, as my 5th house cusp tropically is in Taurus, with its ruler in Capricorn.

I might feel a soul-resonance with theatre, acting, creative people, and with a little flair for drama, but on an everyday level, this needs to be expressed in a more grounded, tangible, "secure" way.


Well speaking of the Draco chart and the 7th house ruler, Mercury, and the 5th house ruler, Sun, both are in the decan of LEO, as is my tropical Mercury and Sun, in the decan of LEO. And no they do not ALWAYS stay in the same decan and duad, just here in this case they do. So my Mercury is also in both zodiacs, tropical and Draco, in the Duad of Libra.

of course my Draco Sun and Mercury are also squared by my tropical Saturn, a most anxious fearful and overly careful Saturn that is representing quite a blockage, in the 8th house of tropical.

Draconically speaking this Saturn is in Scorpio in 8th house, ruling the Draconic midheaven, and it is directly opposite my tropical Part of Marriage, Eros/Psyche-mp and asteroid ACTOR.

Draconic Pluto the ruler of the draconic 8th house is conjunct the Draconic Midheaven.

Ooops did not notice there seems to be a mutual reception there all at once!

Saturn in Scorpio in 8th house
Pluto in Capricorn in 10th house

Wonder how agreeable Pluto thinks this idea of staying celibate (Saturn) really is.

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posted April 06, 2016 04:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mar1982delta:

I am really interested in your opinion about the observations I made above, needless to say! Thanks for all your input!!!

Which ones do you mean?


Also I still can read my posts, all of them I think.

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posted April 07, 2016 07:21 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Which ones do you mean?


Also I still can read my posts, all of them I think.


Haha, I meant the ones that you commented right above the previous post !!! Thanks so much! I had written some other things, that's why I insisted on the last ones to emphasize! I think one post of yours is missing, hmmm...


To further the thought a bit, although it is a totally other thing..
So if rulers are proven so right in draco, then what about draco composites? I read some comments earlier made in this thread and if I understood well, it's not so common? They haven't been researched much yet or...? What about your draco compo, do you see it as valid? Can you resonate I mean?
Oh, I forgot to ask you if you resonate with the draco rulers of your own, too I'll go and see mine! I only made the comparison in the synastry, but I want to see them from your perspective, too, thanks for the idea!

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posted April 07, 2016 07:49 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Draco composites - very interesting!

The aspects in the composite stays the same of course, however what can happen is that instead of and opposition a conjunction occurs (and vice versa) squares stay the same, trines and sextiles can change their place as well.

What i find most interesting is if Draco planets suddenly end up in the house on the opposite axis, which can happen. And is actually the case in our composite.

While we have in tropical a stellium in 11th house, disposited by Jupiter in the 5th house, in the Draco chart those planets join Jupiter in the 5th house (and in Taurus instead of Gemini-Sagittarius)


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and this is the comparision with the tropical composite (which is inside, so the houses belong to the tropical composite, and the Draconic ones are in the outer circle)

Actually you can see with a glance that this must be a very karmic set up.


Draconic Saturn (ruler of the tropical 12th house and the draconic ASC) comes up exactly onto the tropical ASC.

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I believe - at least for now- that the tropical level is where the Draco planets find expression, as this is the physical level of the chart.

The ASC is possibly THE incarnation/manifestation point par exellance, so I guess our composite wants to give birth (ASC) to that Saturn.

Sabian symbols are usually interesting too

"2° UNEXPECTED THUNDERSTORM BRINGS RELIEF TO PARCHED FIELDS.

Liberation from adverse conditions through violent spectacular developments. Galvanizing to action. Cosmic visitation."


BTW the first time Mr Sag was approaching me during a show, our pr composite Sun was 1°21 conjunct our natal composite (tropical) on 1°16 Aquarius, so I guess that must have been a moment to set *something* in motion, and with that ASC of course the Draco Saturn was triggered, as well.

We can`t ignore either that Saturn sits pretty near to the vertex.

Oh and btw two years ago when he started the real craziness his pr Sun was on 2 Aquarius having just transited over that 1 Aquarius (I was having it sooner than him, actually arond the time I decided against better reasoning and rational observations to give him a second or third or fourth look. )

Well interestingly enough the year before his Draco progressed Sun was on 2 Virgo having just transited over his tropical NN on 1 Virgo, and we met when tr Saturn was on 1 Virgo!!!

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posted April 07, 2016 08:22 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Draconic Saturn (ruler of the tropical 12th house and the draconic ASC) comes up exactly onto the tropical ASC."

Oh my God!!!

Maybe the real explanations for the attraction/relationship etc. can be found in draco composites?? I am thinking... Yeah, I noticed that in draco Neptune sq. our S/M midpoint, while in tropical Neptune is opposite! Maybe it's mathematical since you noticed that, too!


"to give him a second or third or fourth look"


Yes, I think transits to draco maybe are even more valid or something! I am looking into some these past days and I am a little terrified lol!
I was wondering whether transits to draco placements have to go through tropical firstly or not! Maybe there has to be a transit to the tropical, to something it triggers the draco in the same time. For example the transits now are triggering really a lot of my draco placements. BUT, tr. Sun is now opposite my tropical Saturn. Saturn is in fact squaring my tr. Nodes AND is at the same time conjuncting my dr. Ascendant and opposite my dr. Sun, Mercury and Dsc. So maybe if there wasn't saturn there, the transit wouldn't affect the draco at all? I am not so sure, that's why I want to check other transits, too!

How nice that you can make a draco-tropical composite comparison!!! This software is a real value for money I guess, lucky you!!! Hahahaha, I should save some money I guess!

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posted April 07, 2016 08:31 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
This is my draco composite. Sun was in tropical 1st house, now goes in 7th.
Mercyry was in tr. 2nd house (along with venus-chiron), now it's in the 7th.
So the 7th house stellium grows even bigger But I am not so sure if it's about marriage at all lol

But, more importantly, because I can't stop thinking about that:
Do you think that Mars on the Dsc -which appears in both tropical and draco composite- maybe is a mathematical thing after all? I mean in draco synastry, there is a Mars-Dsc DW. Is this a coincidence? A pattern? (as I have noticed it in event compos, too). Plain math? Ughh, I don't know, I try to find the mathematical correlation behind it, if there is one..


The draco composite

I forgot to remove lines to the nodes lol, nevermind
I noticed the dr. Moon falls right on the tr. compo Asc. And the dr. IC/MC on his tr. SN/NN..
So the draco T-square with Venus sq. Moon-sq. Sun-Mercury falls right on the tropical compo Asc/Dsc AND IC/MC axis.. Hmmm, this is important maybe.

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posted April 07, 2016 08:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh I just saw that...
In your draco-tropical comparison ---> T-square with Ceres-Uranus sq. Sun and Venus????

AND tr. compo Moon squaring tr. Nodes, but falls right on the draco East Point???? This is big or what? lol

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posted April 07, 2016 11:16 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Maybe the real explanations for the attraction/relationship etc. can be found in draco composites??"
I don`t know about "real".

The tropical chart is also real, however the Dracos add a layer underneath, maybe even illuminating some kind of "purpose", a "Why" to the relationship.


"I was wondering whether transits to draco placements have to go through tropical firstly or not!"
Well transits to Dracos will happen and possibly affect some deeper layer or soul. But for a visible expression to take place we need the tropical. It`s through the tropical we give expression to the Draco imo.

" BUT, tr. Sun is now opposite my tropical Saturn. Saturn is in fact squaring my tr. Nodes AND is at the same time conjuncting my dr. Ascendant and opposite my dr. Sun, Mercury and Dsc.
Wow! That sounds really major. I mean the Tr Saturn to the Nodes alone! being activated by Sun at least temporarily.

Well the transiting New Moon has just transited over my Draco Sun (2 degrees) and is applying to my tropical Chiron (2 degrees) with Transit Uranus on top of that. which of course means that Tr Uranus must have been conjunct my Draco Sun not so long ago. lol
Well my Draco Sun is also exactly square my tropical Saturn, so I guess that figures in.
Still wondering about the meaning of the square of tropical planets to Draco planets, but maybe they represent some sort of blockage to the expression of the soul-personality?

In this instance part of my soul-identity is Aries like, and wants to, well just impulsively do what it wants i guess.
But it has a hard time doing that with the trpical Saturn in Cancer always acting in that very slow and careful way.

However it might be that squares do not necessarily mean a block, but that this here is due to the tropical planet being Saturn.

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posted April 07, 2016 11:35 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Well the transiting New Moon has just transited over my Draco Sun (2 degrees) and is applying to my tropical Chiron (2 degrees) with Transit Uranus on top of that. which of course means that Tr Uranus must have been conjunct my Draco Sun not so long ago. lol
Well my Draco Sun is also exactly square my tropical Saturn, so I guess that figures in.
Still wondering about the meaning of the square of tropical planets to Draco planets, but maybe they represent some sort of blockage to the expression of the soul-personality?

In this instance part of my soul-identity is Aries like, and wants to, well just impulsively do what it wants i guess.
But it has a hard time doing that with the trpical Saturn in Cancer always acting in that very slow and careful way.

However it might be that squares do not necessarily mean a block, but that this here is due to the tropical planet being Saturn."

Really interesting thoughts! Let me see my own tropical to draco squares and just think about it for a while! Maybe we can brainstorm, lol
Thanks for your whole input, even the part that I didn't quote lol!

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posted April 07, 2016 11:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
So, I guess I don't have so many squares from draco to tropical to brainstorm in the first place, but at least I have 2 lol

The most important and what I think really sheds light to my tropical is the tr. Neptune squaring my dr. Venus. Which I think is really valid, since in tropical my Neptune forms less than 3 aspects :
- sextiles my Mars and Pluto
- quincunxes my Chiron, forming the yod that I have mentioned
- and really widely opposes my Venus in 9 degrees! I mean I really don't know why astro even shows that, while in the same time it doesn't show other tighter aspects!

This draco to tropical Venus square Neptune in fact explains why I was really dreamy and romantic about love since I was like 5 or something! Honestly I can't remember myself young enough doing something else lol
Moreover, I always had a tendency to platonic crushes etc. and possibly have been a "victim" of (self- and)delusionment!

Additionally, this is enhanced by the tr. Moon conj. dr. Neptune!!! So, 2 times the same theme, generally speaking!
So, first point proven I think.

Then, the other square is from my tr. Saturn (conj. my dr. Asc) squaring my dr. Jupiter.
Hmmm, I'll have to search for a possible explanation for that firstly and see if I can resonate.

ETA : Ok, I read about that and sadly it's true!!! So 2 in 2 check, I guess! Ohhh, there are so many things to learn in dracos!!!


But perhaps you could help me a little with the dr. Mars and Pluto conjuncting my tropical NN?? I am a little terrified by that lol! I don't know if it's good in the first place or how to handle it in a way that brings good things in my own path, so to speak! No idea how to intepret it I think this is really important considering that transit Pluto has just moved (3-4d) from my SN and is going to be almost conjunct again (1d) in some months! These two are definitely related in this timeframe I think!
I am going to search about that, too, now that I found valid explanations for the squares..


Anyway, thanks a lot again for sharing your thought process here, so that we all can learn more!

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posted April 07, 2016 04:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
I want to read the whole thread but don't have that much concentration power at the moment.

Day three of my juice fast.

Just wanted to say I am having some kind of stupid relapse thinking about my ex, not that it matters except it's astrologically interesting: tr sun on my draconic Venus and tropical Jupiter. Square tr Pluto of course.

I think it's the dr Venus involvement that makes it what it is.

Also, off topic: What about EVCs with the composite chart date, and the current time?

Has that been discussed yet?

Need....more.....orange.....juice!!!! *fading*

Edit: Oh, it has...Davison date not composite date.

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posted April 07, 2016 04:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
@Faith
"I want to read the whole thread but don't have that much concentration power at the moment.
Day three of my juice fast."
Need....more.....orange.....juice!!!! *fading*


Good luck!!!


On the subject, firstly do you mean a draco event compo ?
Because I tried to do that, but the transits are not transfered well in a draco composite. I dont know if a software could do that maybe, but astro.com doesn't offer this option, as far as I have seen.


"I think it's the dr Venus involvement that makes it what it is."
Is there a conjunction/opp/square of your dr. Venus to a tropical planet of yours ? Because I was wondering the same thing today, if the transit has to be filtered through the tropical no matter what. My transits at the time make it difficult to reach such a conclusion, because they are also affecting a tropical placement and hence, through it, my half draco (tr. Saturn opp. dr. Sun, Merc, Dsc).
[Ceri, sorry for making that question again, since you already answered me that, but I have to check! Astrological curiosity lol! ]

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posted April 07, 2016 05:15 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Wow, Mar, that draco composite you posted:

Is this with the Aquarius? It just figures!

Yes, my draconic Venus is square my tropical sun. So maybe that "activates" it?

I meant, take the relationship time (Davison) and make a composite with the current time...no draco involved.

In other words, make an EVC with the Davison.
I just wanted to know why I'm thinking of that guy today. There's also a much more straightforward possibility that our composite moon (definitely in Aries) is conjunct my Jupiter, dr Venus, tr sun & moon.

*brain switches on* That's probably it.

Or a non-astrological possibility, that I just haven't gotten enough therapy yet. LOL

Also in draconic transits, transiting draconic Venus @ 9 Libra. Near my Pluto and his Venus-Pluto-Mars.

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posted April 07, 2016 05:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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