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posted April 09, 2016 12:37 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Well, it's your IC so you're the stimulated one here. But this angle and Moon have an affinity so he's likely to feel something too in terms of this aspect.

Btw, does the guy have any good reason to avoid pairing up with you?



Yes or no, depending the way you see it lol! The good reason probably is his own issues, so I am trying not to play the "savior" role here, these things never go well with this "role-playing", from what I have seen at least! But I guess I still want to "save" him in a way, no matter how hard I try to be realistic..

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posted April 09, 2016 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Anyway, with that IC conjunction I wouldn't consider the mentioned Moon unaspected.


Though it is unaspected, but at the same time it is dominant by being angular, and with Chiron near there is a deep deep deep vulnerability and soul-nakedness, but people have to be rather open about their own vulnerabilities to endure that constant raw vulnerability with each other.

Also Chiron is all about growing and evolving and learning too. So that would be part of it as well.

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posted April 09, 2016 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
Hi Ceri, I missed you yesterday lol!

I was on a concert, so that is why I was gone.

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posted April 09, 2016 12:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Aunt Anomalia     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Eh. If he's right for you otherwise, I hope he gets his **** together before you move on. And I hope you have a nice tropical synastry and stuff.

Ceri, your synastry is scary Those t-squares and Pluto-IC...
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posted April 09, 2016 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
I'm thinking...could an unaspected Moon manifest itself through not wanting to acknowledge the connection/surrender to it? Cap Moon squared by Saturn would be particularly prone to it.


yes.IF there is a connection at least.

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posted April 09, 2016 12:42 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Oh my God Ceri, what is that???
Why did it take you so long to post this beauty?
Sun, Moon, MC on your IC!!!
Pluto-Moon-IC like you said!
Mars, Asc, Neptune on the Node!
But most importantly the t-square with saturn-venus as the apex and the other stuff along the angles square to saturn-venus!!!
Now I think I finally start to suspect the importance of this connection!!!
It's really impressive!

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posted April 09, 2016 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I was on a concert, so that is why I was gone.

Haha, no need to apologize! To Justify the reason I mean!
How did it go? If I may ask of course!

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posted April 09, 2016 12:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:

Ceri, your synastry is scary Those t-squares and Pluto-IC...


Yes, startlingly intense for two otherwise easy-going centaurs.

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posted April 09, 2016 12:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mar1982delta:

How did it go? If I may ask of course!

I was receiving a beautiful white rose in the end.

And the show was very beautiful as well. lol

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posted April 09, 2016 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Mar,

yes, it`s pretty much right there.

Interestingly both of us has a challenging connection between 5th and 11th house ruler in our tropical natal charts

For him its Moon, ruler of 5th house, square Saturn, ruler of 11th house

For me it`s Venus, ruler of 5th house, square Pluto, ruler of 11th house


They are not connected in tropical, but just see what happens on the Draconic level

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posted April 09, 2016 12:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Aunt Anomalia:
Eh. If he's right for you otherwise, I hope he gets his **** together before you move on. And I hope you have a nice tropical synastry and stuff.

Ceri, your synastry is scary Those t-squares and Pluto-IC...



Thank you Aunt!!!
The hard part is to realize if he is in fact right for me lol! I mean I feel he is, but then I doubt my own feelings and try to be reasonable and then I feel confused and so on...lol
I don't know if it's the best of tropical synastries you've seen, I think it probably is a "medium"level synastry, but in the draco there are more going on and from the beginning of this thread I try to decipher them! It's so exciting!
I think draco-to-draco can be interpreted literally, the more I think about the connections I see there, the more I have seen all of these played out during these last 2 years. But maybe my example is not so good, because the draco is triggered by the tropical in most of its part, so I guess I can't reach a safe conclusion for the function of draco in this case!
Unfortunately (and maybe fortunately for him lol ), I seem I can't move on, despite the 2 years of not going anywhere..:/ I have sort of accepted it now at least, because I really tried hard to move on and failed. Like they say in my country, when you can't avoid something, at least take pleasure from it, hahahaha

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posted April 09, 2016 12:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Mar,

yes, it`s pretty much right there.

Interestingly both of us has a challenging connection between 5th and 11th house ruler in our tropical natal charts

For him its Moon, ruler of 5th house, square Saturn, ruler of 11th house

For me it`s Venus, ruler of 5th house, square Pluto, ruler of 11th house


They are not connected in tropical, but just see what happens on the Draconic level


Haha, this "under-the-surface" glance that draco offers is so amazing!!!
And this is a subtle mirroring of course, so it's definitely important!

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posted April 09, 2016 12:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I was receiving a beautiful white rose in the end.

And the show was very beautiful as well. lol



Ohhhh, this is nice!!! Good for you!!!
A secret admirer coming forward?
Lol, no need to answer that!

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posted April 09, 2016 01:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
LOL, no, just part of the show. They handed out roses to a few of the audience, and I was among them, that`s all.

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posted April 09, 2016 01:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
That's cool anyway!
On your synastry, what about the t-square with your uranus and his pluto and venus? I think they are within orb, his venus and pluto I mean, is that right? Do you think this has played out and most importantly, is there a triggering from the tropical for that?

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posted April 09, 2016 01:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Interesting that you mention that, cause I just recently started even realizing it was there! It makes sense though as when we met his pr Venus was trine my Uranus and some years later that was being followed by my pr Venus square his Uranus. lol

He has a widish Venus-Pluto-square with 4°32

my Dr Uranus opposes his Dr Venus 3°20
and squares his Dr Pluto 1°11

I think that`s still valid.


As for tropical-overlay, yes I just noticed now, too, there is kind of something.


his t Uranus 23°24 Scorpio
his t Pallas 24°20 Aquarius

his t Uranus squares his Dr Venus 1°08
his t Uranus opposes his Dr Pluto 3°23
his t Pallas opposes his Dr Venus 0°12
(the square of his t Pallas to Dr Pluto is a bit wide with 4°20 though)

also

his t Uranus squares my Dr Uranus 2°12
his t Pallas conjunct my Dr Uranus 3°08

From the other perspective, my tropical chart to his Draco placements.

my BML 24°29 Aquarius
conjunct my own Dr Uranus 3°18

Also

my tr BML conjunct his Dr Juno 1°47
my tr BML opposes his Dr Venus 0°03
(mostly out of orb for the square to his Dr Pluto at 4°29 though)

It`s like my tropical is more concerned with/ focused on his Venus-Juno-opposition

BTW my BML is conjunct Psyche exactly, so you can add Psyche to all the BML-aspects too

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posted April 09, 2016 01:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"Interesting that you mention that, cause I just recently started even realizing it was there! It makes sense though as when we met his pr Venus was trine my Uranus and some years later that was being followed by my pr Venus square his Uranus. lol"

Haha, I thought I should take a second look to see what else is there, apart from the very obvious and mindblowing other stuff
And then I saw that, funny timing again, huh?

"He has a widish Venus-Pluto-square with 4°32

my Dr Uranus opposes his Dr Venus 3°20
and squares his Dr Pluto 1°11

I think that`s still valid."
Sorry, I don't want to be a "know-it-all", but I respectively disagree that the venus-pluto square is wide, especially for a natal!
So, combining it with the other aspects, which are even tighter anyway, I think it's valid definitely !


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my tr BML conjunct his Dr Juno 1°47
my tr BML opposes his Dr Venus 0°03
(mostly out of orb for the square to his Dr Pluto at 4°29 though)

It`s like my tropical is more concerned with/ focused on his Venus-Juno-opposition"
LOL


"It makes sense though as when we met his pr Venus was trine my Uranus "
I think the most important thing is that, in terms of the t-square, but maybe I didn't notice something else well enough..But this is really interesting, how the planets of the draco t-square "met" again in the very first meeting..What did Pluto do in the FMC in terms of progressions or transits, if I may ask?
Thank you!!!


ETA : I just saw that "BTW my BML is conjunct Psyche exactly, so you can add Psyche to all the BML-aspects too" and I am like lol, because he has an exact bml-psyche opposition in his natal and I've been searching like forever to find enough interpretations for that, but...nothing!!! What do you think it means? Just a short explanation or a link if it's not bothersome of course!

ETA 2: What did Pluto do in the FM I meant obviously lol, sorry!

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posted April 09, 2016 02:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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That's cool anyway!

Yes though the aquaintance sitting beside me was going on and on about how I was DELIBERATELY AND INTENTIONALLY PICKED.

So who knows? She might have been right.
During the show I felt that connection to one of the actors on stage, just surprised by how much he was looking at me (well it is a "blast from the past" performer for me, it`s a bit of a complicated story, but there has been some spiritual whatever, but I never even talked to him, and for the last times was seeing that I was not sitting too close to stage; since this time I was sort of randomly stumbling across the ticket - someone else could not go and was looking for someone to take their place - I had not a choice, and was seated in 5th row.

Anyway I also noticed him during a song, while being quite close to the side I was sitting, how he was telling something very intently to his fellow female performer, and following this both were repeatedly looking over to me, and she was after that incident looking quite often at me, too, and it was her who gave me rose later on (the male performers were going through the middle aisle, and the female ones at the sides, where I was sitting), though the male performers also left the audience to the door at the side I was sitting, and after she gave me the rose I saw her looking back at him; I did not see him look at me though.
But it was quite a bit of a bewildering moment. But nice nevertheless.

BTW before you think he might be a secret admirer, nope, not so. He`s very definitely gay.
But he likes people, and he apparently liked something about me, or at least noticed me. Well I was not intent to be noticed, and i did not think I could have been seen in the dark audience, but seems I am always wrong about that. They seem to see more in the dark than i give them credit to. Actually he did wave at someone in the audience, he recognized, so I guess he must have been seeing them in order to do that. lol

But about the intentionally giving of the rose, well, this might be true, as the actress was actually waiting until I looked at her (I had my head turned a little), and well I would have thought she would have simply passed me by and given it to somebody else (there were enough women or men in the audience for that, about 500 to be precise).


Well, it was a nice gesture, nice idea of whoever planned the show.

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posted April 09, 2016 02:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
"well it is a "blast from the past" performer for me"

Is this the "composite" guy? Lol, I mean the one you posted just a while ago.

...Getting back to the rest of your post lol


"But it was quite a bit of a bewildering moment. But nice nevertheless."

Hmmm, yeah, I tried to be as reasonable as I could lol and find counter arguments to see IF there are any, but from your story, it's true, it seems like debirately given to you! I don't know how else could that be, I mean, you are right, she could pass you and give it to someone else!!! That's really cool....

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posted April 09, 2016 02:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Hi Ceri, I meant, looking up Draco suns at www.thesecretlanguageofbirthdays.com

You being Aries II
Him being Cancer-Leo Cusp (I believe)

But, what you found is also very intriguing!

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3 personal planets suddenly ending up on the middegrees and in fact in subsequent signs, putting Venus on the Mercury/Mars and Mars/Jupiter-mp, I feel that describes him so well, it`s amazing, the energy and way to communicate as well as the peformer in him (Mercury-Jupiter in Leo in his 7th house btw, and yes it was opposing his ex girlfriends Sun-Moon. lol)

On another note...I posted a few pages earlier that in my draco synastry with my ex, his dr Pluto conjunct my dr IC.

Funny we both have/had that.

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But yes, in a nodal chart, something in the Draco configured so much with the nodal axis itself (and by extension to Moon) seems to scream that that is what it`s about, the gist of it.

I do think it's huge, especially since the NN is in Scorpio.

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And the square here, some would say it represents a skipped step, but no matter how we call it, it`s something that will figure STRONGLY in your relationship, maybe even take it over at times, becoming the dominating factor (like something from underneath bumping against your soft underbellies constantly, sometimes louder, sometimes more quietly) and the square is the point at the greatest tension, but also a point of awareness, you might get blindsided by it, it hits you sideways, but once the hit happened, it cannot be "un-seen or un-felt". You HAVE to address it, deal with it in some way, and to ensure this it will make itself felt providing the emotional experiences we associate with moon-pluto.

Perfectly brilliant and true.

There's a lot going on under the surface with us, and it's buried so deep we might forget it's there, but then in pivotal times it comes up like this big destiny thing. Which I don't even know how to talk about.

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Yes, but not really sure how that would be practically applicable, a comparision between two EVC`s, though it might be important in terms of transits hitting the points, which I guess Tr Chiron-SN just did. In terms of my EVC Mercury and his EVC Venus at least.

Makes sense to me, though.

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posted April 09, 2016 02:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
BML-Psyche for me is in Aquarius, I think it is a very integral part of my emotional and feminine nature; there is this urgent demand of equality, being treated as an equal but also treating others as equals.
Along with some strong flashes of insight jolting my poor brain now and then.
Like last night, even when closing my eyes, there was this bright white light beneath closed lids, which really comes from my mind I guess; I occasionally have this, it is nothing bad, just makes it hard to sleep, as it seems that my crown chakra is too wide awake for that during these times.
Oh my Pallas is in Aquarius, too.
And Tr Pallas has been transiting my Psyche-BML
(this is almost the usual that happens after seeing Mr Sag, as he has a Pallas-psyche-conjunction right on my BML-Psyche. lol So you can add HIS Psyche, too )

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posted April 09, 2016 02:19 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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@Faith, yeah, no problem, I'll wait!
As for the draco birthday, I have no clue for mine either, although yesterday I gave that site a try, but then I realised I can't really use it without my bday! Maybe I'll try what Ceri proposed.

Looks like your dr sun around April 6, his around January 18.

You Aries II, him Cap-Aqua Cusp.

In case you're interested

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posted April 09, 2016 02:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for mar1982delta     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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BML-Psyche for me is in Aquarius, I think it is a very integral part of my emotional and feminine nature; there is this urgent demand of equality, being treated as an equal but also treating others as equals.
Along with some strong flashes of insight jolting my poor brain now and then.
Like last night, even when closing my eyes, there was this bright white light beneath closed lids, which really comes from my mind I guess; I occasionally have this, it is nothing bad, just makes it hard to sleep, as it seems that my crown chakra is too wide awake for that during these times.
Oh my Pallas is in Aquarius, too.
And Tr Pallas has been transiting my Psyche-BML
(this is almost the usual that happens after seeing Mr Sag, as he has a Pallas-psyche-conjunction right on my BML-Psyche. lol So you can add HIS Psyche, too )


All these are so interersting!!! Thank you for sharing!!!
How much of an orb do you allow for these? I mean Psyche, Pallas, BML etc.- I have some connections I want to see if they are valid, I have focused to planets etc., since I don't know so much about asteroids etc yet! Although Psyche, Eros, BML (although it's not an asteroid), Pallas etc. really fascinate me and have read some things at least about them!

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posted April 09, 2016 02:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Faith     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by mar1982delta:

"I wonder if you got together long-term with Mr Aqua, you would have a pretty intense home life."
Yes I think so, too! But I don't know if intense would be good or bad, lol. With Pluto it can be good, but it can be really bad...hmmm


Btw, for your Pluto on the IC yesterday...
Firstly just the other day when I met him and did an event chart, which I discussed with Ceri...Pluto was on my MC in the event compo!!!
Secondly, "(I don't always draw up charts, just sometimes, when something impulsive happens.) "
LOL, I do that, too.
I had an intense moment the other night (or...early morning? lol) and sensed that it was something about the Moon and then I drew up a chart and it was the exact time the New Moon was happening!!! I mean by minutes!!!! Sun 18 07 Aries, Moon 18 50 Aries. Can yu believe that? I really felt crazy that moment!!!


How did I miss this???

You met up with him????

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posted April 09, 2016 02:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Ceridwen     Edit/Delete Message   Reply w/Quote
Pluto was very major in the first meeting chart

On the Aries Point (00 Cap) in 1st house:
conjunct Moon 1°22
quinkunx Sun 1°31
trine Saturn 1°28
trine Pallas 0°21
biquintile Mars 0°31
(widely biquintile Venus 2!°50)


So the Moon-Pluto-conjunction takes part at three major aspect configurations

1) Mystical triangle with Sun-Saturn
2) Grand trine with Saturn-Pallas
3) Golden Yod (quintile-yod) to the Venus-Mars quintile, though Moon is more closely involved.

the symmetrical ones result in the direct midpoints of

Moon = Venus/Mars 0.18
Moon = Juno/EP 0°20
Moon = Saturn/Pallas 0°27
Moon = Jupiter/ASC 1°22


Pluto = Jupiter/ASC 0.00
Pluto = Uranus/MC 0.29
Pluto = Saturn/Pallas 0.55
Pluto = Juno/EP 1.04
Pluto = Moon/Juno 1.20
(Pluto = Venus/Mars 1.41)


Oh I forgot to mention Juno is loosely conjunct Moon (5°27) and Pluto (4°04)

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