posted April 03, 2016 04:33 PM            

Pamela Crane sais that Draco-Draco synastry gives that feeling of "meaningfulness", and I might add of "purposedness" and maybe also simply feeling "right", like you are heading in the right way (for you) and the other person will rather add to that feeling but not restrict you (in terms of conjunctions at least).

I also, I think it makes you feel understood on a very deep level, maybe even deeper than you are aware of yourself.

I like to name my friend as example her tropical Moon is exactly conjunct my Draco Sun (as is my tropical Moon conjunct her Draco Sun); we do not have the same path in life, but for some reason we always got what the other needed to evolve to.

But more so, she`s always seen a lot of "courage, independence, energy, confidence" in me, even some "daringness" that I never associated with myself (my Draco Sun is in Aries).

In fact I remember that I called her and told her about first meeting Mr Sag and how I asked him for his birthtime, because I was intersted in figuring out his ASC. I TOLD him that! Just after we met (well just a bit after he was sniffing my hair. lol)

But the thing is I was acting on "impulse", and afterwards I was shocked and startled and crept out by my own actions and I told her that and said something like: "I donīt understand what`s gotten into me. You know me, that is not how I am."
I heard her stifle a laugh at the end of the line and then she said: "Yes I know you. And that is EXACTLY how you are. If someone could do that, then it is you."

Over the years I`ve come to experience that she is indeed right, that IS how I am, I just have to dig it out sometimes. It`s not something I have to really grow into because it is familiar. But it is so deeply familiar that I forget this is a part of me.

So unlike most people who interprete DRacos for me it really is more like REMEMBERING a deep part of myself, instead of adding just something new. Of course it feels new, because for some reason that stuff got buried, but at the end of the day it is a very pure essential part of me, uninfluenced by other people or moral codes or reasoning or whatever. Just ME.

so someone triggers that in me? I might feel a little uncomfortable because it feels like they know me SO WELL, sometimes even better than I know myself (well my everyday-self knows myself, my deeper Self very clearly already knows that is why it resonates with this and feels "seen/ recognized")

The time I saw Mr Sag on a concert, 3 months before first meeting him, I remember I was amazed at how it felt like the darkness was suddenly set ablaze, like his energy was sort of being like a Sun in the dark audience, but more so I watched him radiating fun and playfulness and optimism and I was reminded of the song lines:

"You remind me of who I really am."
(or as I remember thinking a little melancholically: how I could have been, if things had been a little different - not even realizing that the "things" really were my own choices, but that is beside the point).

He just gave me a feeling as if his presence alone made me feel more "Myself" than when he was not around.

I suspect that must be something in the Dracos, though weirdly it is our Draco-DRaco-synastry that is really strong.

However in this instance maybe it is his ASC being conjunct my Draco ASC-Mars-Neptune?
Though that "SElf" did not feel so much Piscean but more fiery to be honest. So I guess something to do with my Aries-DRaco planets (I have a few, Sun, Mercury, Venus), curiously however he doesn`t have planets in Aries in his tropical.

But maybe it really is more about the aspects than the signs? In this instance his ASC somehow shines a light onto my angular MARS in my DRaco (it is the closest conjunction, too: 0°28).

my tropical ASC-Mars-Neptune-NN-Wisdom-Angel-Lust is conjunct his Draco Chiron on my Draco Cupido and his tropical Mercury, ruler of his IC and DESC. I sometimes wonder about that.

EDIT
I guess what I am musing about is really this

1. Maybe Draco is what is already within us and we just need to UNBURY it, remember it

2. maybe it`s not about the signs but about the aspects being highlighted.

posted April 03, 2016 07:08 PM            

I think I made a thread about this? Told all my stories before? Not sure if I want to link or just repeat...repeating is fun but not the reputation you get for saying the same things over and over.

I'll probably just find that thread and link it.

posted April 03, 2016 07:12 PM            

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Originally posted by Orange:
Sometimes I look at the synastry between two people to see how their energies mesh up, and then I think to myself - ok, now let me look at the draconic synastry and see what is REALLY going on.

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posted April 03, 2016 08:12 PM            

However I definitely see things in the draco-draco comparisons myself. And it's worth noting that not everyone we are attracted to is going to be activating our nodes...

posted April 03, 2016 08:55 PM            

Draconic conjunction without tropical overlay
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum35/HTML/003300.html

....in which Lee posted her old thread:

posted April 04, 2016 12:19 AM              

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Hmm.. have you found anything with draconic-natal, spongebob? Dawn at theinnerwheel.com did a draconic synastry reading for me (research, you know? ), and she said she works with natal-draconic synastry basically exclusively. She is a bit of a hard nosed pragmatist on some level methinks .. or sticks to certain basics as a rule because she has to as a consulting astrologer with limited time frames?... and seems to find draco-draco too nebulous or something... seems to be of the school of thought that the natal is required to groundthe energy.. I wish I could remember it all better. She seemed partial to the hard aspects with the draconic-natal, seemed to be scanning for significant conjunctions (well in our case there were so many she wiped her hands and summed it up as intense nodal activation both ways).

However I definitely see things in the draco-draco comparisons myself. And it's worth noting that not everyone we are attracted to is going to be activating our nodes...

Notably my friend and I have Venus square Mercury in draconic synastry both ways, and that does make itself manifest I think! There's nice stuff too but yeah lol..

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The only thing i saw in the draco to tropical synastry was that his draco venus is conjunct my tropical venus if we're talking strictly about conjunctions.

Maybe these only work for some people cuz i literally never have a significant draco anything with anybody i feel the strongest about. Its always strong with people i can take or leave oddly enough.

posted April 04, 2016 04:08 AM            

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Originally posted by Orange:

Sometimes I look at the synastry between two people to see how their energies mesh up, and then I think to myself - ok, now let me look at the draconic synastry and see what is REALLY going on.

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Haha, I love that!
And yes, I am like that, too.

Well at least for the case I mentioned before I totally can see your interpretation in the first paragraph, that it is sort of an instinctive or impulsive response to a situation.
Probably needs to be activated (interestingly the night we met Tr Uranus was applying to a conjunction with his tropical ASC and my Draco Mars, still about 3 degrees away, but oh and the transiting Chiron-Node-conjunction was exactly conjunct my Draco Uranus on my natal URANIA - hence the astrology-topic I suppose, with Tr Neptune being just 3 degrees off it, and conjunct HIS Draco Juno, opposing his Draco Venus exact - now that is interesting. Not wanting to get too deep into it, but it seems some relevant Draconic placements were activated, and his response to me didn`t seem entirely mind-controlled either).

posted April 04, 2016 04:17 AM            

Also, recently I started thinking that the Dracos actually becomes stronger the longer we are around someone or are connected to someone.
Vertex-connections seems to be like a "lightening/ flash", but the nodes are more about a path, an evolving (or re-membering), but this takes time, I mean it`s there from the beginning but I doubt most people can fathom and grasp it from the beginning though most might feel there is "something" there they can`t quite grasp.
However of course everyone has a choice, and if the tropical synastry is just poor and non-attractive, people might not be that inclined to delve into that or letting anyone see their deeper Selves.
I mean would you want someone you don`t even like see what you are really about?

But I agree with Orange`s take, and to quote from the musical "Love never dies", to me Dracos seem like "the beauty underneath".

I wonder if we can make a Vertex-chart like a nodal chart? I mean we could, right? Would it tell us something about those "hit right into the heart" encounters (though they might be just shortlived)?

posted April 04, 2016 04:25 AM            

that is interesting about Dawn`s approach. I appreciate her a lot (though I do not agree with every little detail, but most of it makes sense).
Which conjunctions did she find in your comparision?

I think however oppositions are equally important as conjunctions, as the nodes are of course an axis and not a single point.

I am finding a lot of Draco-Draco-synastry, but usually there are "entry-points" or hooks into the tropical, too.

posted April 04, 2016 06:50 AM            

that is more telling to me than an isolated conjunction (though these can be interesting as well).

posted April 04, 2016 08:18 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Mar,

to be honest I donīt think I will really have the time to interprete the DRaconic synastry, at least not at the current time. I also prefer reading other`s thoughts and ideas about it, before delving in the actual and extensive analyzing. Though of course it could be I change my mind.

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No problem Ceri, I will learn a lot here anyway! That's why I asked you firstly, I totally understand !!

In fact you have already given me an answer to one of my many questions lol and you just started the thread, hahaha

I wanted to ask about the configurations, because only yesterday I realized that there are some overlays between draco-natal and some patterns in the draco synastry alone! So, as I read in your last post, you think they are definitely important! But how exactly would you describe the importance of them? I mean configurations in the tropical are considered really important, as the planets of both people are intertwined in a pattern or even a loop in some cases (that's what I have read about the grand trine), some even say that configurations in synastry/composites are even considered "fated". Do you agree with that? And in either case, if these configurations are met in draco, not just in the tropical, is it just an other "dimension" of the relationship, a hidden layer or...? Lastly, how much of an orb do you use for the configurations overlays (draco to natal) and for the configurations in the draco synastry alone?
Thank you!

ETA : Btw, I found a more accurate and complete way of saying what I tried to tell you in the other thread yesterday!!! Thanks to Faith who posted the old links, here is a description from Lotis in the old thread, where she says
"Draco to draco, or draco to tropical, synastry shows how we can influence each other's development over time in either a challenging or harmonious way. With this we're able to add to the already existing foundation of the relationship, and grow into new and different ways of being. This type of synastry shows how we support each other in growth this growth.

With terrible tropical synastry and good Draconic synastry, we might struggle in the relationship. But even if it ends badly we might look back at our mistakes and see that we learned a good lesson from it. With good tropical synastry and not so connected draconic synastry, we might be content with the relationship, but find that we need to find our growth in other areas (like educating our selves, or joining a group)."

posted April 04, 2016 09:09 AM              

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Btw I tend to think that we of course still need the normal tropical synastry for an attraction to occur.

Also, recently I started thinking that the Dracos actually becomes stronger the longer we are around someone or are connected to someone.
Vertex-connections seems to be like a "lightening/ flash", but the nodes are more about a path, an evolving (or re-membering), but this takes time, I mean it`s there from the beginning but I doubt most people can fathom and grasp it from the beginning though most might feel there is "something" there they can`t quite grasp.
However of course everyone has a choice, and if the tropical synastry is just poor and non-attractive, people might not be that inclined to delve into that or letting anyone see their deeper Selves.
I mean would you want someone you don`t even like see what you are really about?

But I agree with Orange`s take, and to quote from the musical "Love never dies", to me Dracos seem like "the beauty underneath".

I wonder if we can make a Vertex-chart like a nodal chart? I mean we could, right? Would it tell us something about those "hit right into the heart" encounters (though they might be just shortlived)?

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Ive never read anything about vertex aspects denoting something that willl automatically be shortlived; plus, for what it's worth in the synastry im talking about, his saturn was conjunct my sun and mercury along with an exact conjunction between our vertexes in the tropical synastry. saturn would give staying power anyway.

posted April 04, 2016 09:54 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Btw I tend to think that we of course still need the normal tropical synastry for an attraction to occur.

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I've been thinking that for a while, too.

Like the draco and tropical are two layers that need time to fuse.

My best friend's draco chart overlaps my tropical with about 5 or 6 conjunctions. Yet, we lived next door to each other for years without becoming close friends. We fought a lot, kept our distance, had a bunch of things to work out before finally *clicking* (tropical snapping into draco) and then staying together.

I have other examples like that.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Also, recently I started thinking that the Dracos actually becomes stronger the longer we are around someone or are connected to someone.

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Agreed

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Vertex-connections seems to be like a "lightening/ flash", but the nodes are more about a path, an evolving (or re-membering), but this takes time, I mean it`s there from the beginning but I doubt most people can fathom and grasp it from the beginning though most might feel there is "something" there they can`t quite grasp.

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Well said.

Sometimes it feels like the tip of an iceberg.

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
I wonder if we can make a Vertex-chart like a nodal chart? I mean we could, right? Would it tell us something about those "hit right into the heart" encounters (though they might be just shortlived)?

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posted April 04, 2016 09:57 AM            

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Originally posted by Spongebob:
The draconic does absolutely nothing seriously worth talking about.

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posted April 04, 2016 09:57 AM            

I don`t think Vertex-connections are automatically shortlived. The longevity is indicated by the whole synastry (if at all). Vertex is all about an encounter that is a "turning point" after that you can go separate ways OR you can stay together (which is more likely if the overall synastry is strong. Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie being one example of those).

posted April 04, 2016 10:24 AM            

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Originally posted by Faith:

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Hi Faith!
Actually and quite ironically today there is an exact conjunction of transit Sun 15 14 Aries on my draconic Mercury 15 23 Aries and Sun 17 16 Aries..I just looked because honestly today I think I finally and really get what we are talking about in dracos. I just now began to grasp the meaning of them, I mean. And...the conj. is today!! So, yeah, sure.. absolutely nothing seriously worth talking about.
Freedom of speech!

posted April 04, 2016 10:49 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Mar

My Dr Sun is 15.46 and Dr mercury 14.53 aries. Did only realize today

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This starts to get old, right? hahahaha, how many coincidences, lol ???

Ceri, you can't imagine, all these are intertwined, I made event compos for the moment I am talking about and there are also activations of my vertex involved (event compo MC=natal Vertex to the minute!!!). I mean

in tropical event compo MC-----> my natal vertex and
event compo Asc/Dsc -----> my natal MC/IC,

in the event's chart (transits) -----> triggering of the draconic chart
event's Sun ---> my draco Sun and Mercury!
event's SN and Chiron -----> my draco Venus
event's Asc ----> my draco Neptune

This is so amazing!
Till yesterday I thought that I can't identify with the sign of my draco Sun at all either, but I think you have found something big when you said that perhaps it's not even about the draco signs! It's about the overlays with the natal and the aspects in draco itself! Plus the sign is only useful in the way that it might be activated by a transit and nothing more! That's if I understood well what you said, but anyway that's the way I understand it for now!