posted April 04, 2016 01:25 PM            

My partner's draconic ascendant is conjunct his tropical Juno, and his draconic Juno is conjunct his tropical descendant... so he has that double whammy which Dawn made special note of.

Of course mathematically it is a function of his tropical Juno square Asc/Dsc. His t.Juno falls on my t.North Node (3'), and this double whammy configuration in his draconic points to Juno's exaggerated importance for him and his nodal path, or integral experience

Add to that a natal South Node in the 7th house in Sagittarius conjunct Neptune and you have the present maelstrom!!!

posted April 04, 2016 01:33 PM            

"it was the FIRST time I realized that we have a Yod from Draco to natal."

Yes, yesterday I realized that my whole draco yod overlays his entire natal yod!!!! I mean I thought wtf???????!!!!!!!!!!
And what kind of a coincidence is THAT? Probably the tr. Sun on both of our draco Suns?!?!?

posted April 04, 2016 01:44 PM            

sextile

my Dr Mars 25 Pisces and Dr ASC 26 Pisces
his t ASC 25 Pisces

quinkunx

his Dr Venus 24 Leo

which is opposite

my tMean BML and true BML (24-28 Aquarius)
his D Juno 26 Aquarius"

posted April 04, 2016 01:52 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Double whammies of planets to angles in draconic seem extremely important though, and this Mars-Desc going both ways between you is definitely a big deal.

My guy's draconic ascendant is conjunct his tropical Juno, and his draconic Juno is conjunct his tropical descendant... so he has that double whammy which Dawn made special note of.

Of course mathematically it is a function of his tropical Juno square Asc/Dsc. His t.Juno falls on my t.North Node (3'), and this double whammy configuration in his draconic points to Juno's exaggerated importance for him and his nodal path, or integral experience

Add to that a natal South Node in the 7th house in Sagittarius conjunct Neptune and you have the present maelstrom!!!

...yeesh.

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I read the posts backwards somehow, lol!

"His t.Juno falls on my t.North Node (3'), and this double whammy configuration in his draconic points to Juno's exaggerated importance for him and his nodal path, or integral experience"

That's really interesting! And Juno-Node is big to start with!

posted April 04, 2016 03:03 PM            

I guess Juno-Node is big but I've not yet seen it working out to mean a life-long, death-grip relationship or marriage in any examples of synastry I've seen. Which is maybe not what I'm going for here anyway (don't know for sure yet if I want to spend my whole life with someone who puts their Saturn on my Ascendant anyway! Just noticed that my daughter's father, who has Saturn conjunct Asc natally, has his draconic Saturn conjunct my draconic Ascendant... sigh... ongoing theme!!).

posted April 04, 2016 03:50 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
You're a huge sweetheart, mar thanks for finding it interesting and saying so . I think it's interesting too lol...

I guess Juno-Node is big but I've not yet seen it working out to mean a life-long, death-grip relationship or marriage in any examples of synastry I've seen. Which is maybe not what I'm going for here anyway (don't know for sure yet if I want to spend my whole life with someone who puts their Saturn on my Ascendant anyway! Just noticed that my daughter's father, who has Saturn conjunct Asc natally, has his draconic Saturn conjunct my draconic Ascendant... sigh... ongoing theme!!).

Keeping my eyes peeled for more examples of this aspect (Juno-NN) at play though... though of course everybody is different. I've said this a few times on this forum but my other longest relationship also had this aspect, his Juno on my North Node. I am beginning to think it's a factor that can keep me involved a long time given that I need the person to counteract my own Juno-South Node!

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posted April 04, 2016 04:20 PM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:

ETA : How many years are you born apart if you don't mind? We are 12 lol, he is younger and yet he knows me better than myself!!! What does that make me ? lol

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posted April 04, 2016 04:24 PM            

Juno according to Dawn and I thnk Demetra George also, is partly about fighting for equality within partnership... social justice... all kinds of justice. But fighting for it if need be, you know?--activism--she resonates well with Mars in part for this reason I think. A natural counterpart (our progressed Mars was conjunct Juno when we hooked up, which Dawn pointed to triumphantly as a classic indicator I think, though I wish I'd asked her for details on her thoughts about the pair I think I can see some of the reasoning and resonance now myself).

Pluto also seems to be a powerful Juno ally somehow; it may be my chart ruler but it's still Pluto right, and Juno crossing over it just precipitated all this power, just brought in all this force to my need for that basic freedom to enjoy myself, to demand what's best for me, instead of clinging to that which isn't out of a fear of lack/expectation of lack... and assertiveness for me in contacting my deeper power and committing to taking care of myself... being showered with love and wisdom by my friends out at the lovely earthly paradise forest land where i'll be house sitting the next month..

posted April 04, 2016 04:24 PM            

"The first thing she noted was his draconic Moon conjunct my natal Moon"
I think that and the overlays to tropical North nnode are REALLY major, because this is what the Draco chart IS about, the nodes, no, the LUNAR Nodes.

"(his dr. Moon conjunct my natal moon by 5'25', in Capricorn),"
Interesting, but yes, I think 5 degrees is her guiding line for pretty much everything with orbs, though just a starting point. She does differentiate depending on the importance of a planet in the individual chart.
At least I gathered this much from her blog.

"it might be harder for him though"
In what way?

posted April 04, 2016 04:28 PM            

I`ve always found it wonderous how when we first met Tr Juno was conjunct our c-Sun with 0°01 orb, I mean that is REALLY exact (on 26 Sag)

posted April 04, 2016 04:28 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
8 years, and he is younger, too. I think we know each other pretty well. In fact when he was born I was running around announcing it in the neighbourhood (it was sunday morning btw, I am sure the neighbours were trilled ) and was telling everyone who wanted to hear or not hear it that my soulmate had finally arrived, too. LOL
No clue why I said that, I did not even know what a soulmate was I guess.

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Hahahaha, how sweet!!!
Now that you said that, I remembered myself keeping a journal the months before he was born and for the day he was born of course!!
lol
When actually at no other point in my life I kept a journal, only random thoughts/lines that I write down in random pieces of paper when I am in love since I was a kid, hahahaha
Thank you for reminding me that! Actually I waited for him for years, having grown as an only-child for 12 years already..but I remember myself younger than that, when I kept insisting to my parents to make me a sibling lol..and I suspect you know by now how persistant I can be even if it wasn't even my intention
self-psychoanalyzing time...tik tak...hahahaha

So, from you reaction, I suspect you have been longing for him alright

posted April 04, 2016 04:32 PM            

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:

And...back to dracos, lol, does a draco Asc/Dsc axis conjunct to tropical Node count?

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posted April 04, 2016 04:33 PM            

"it might be harder for him though"
In what way?

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She referred a lot to how much growth the relationship is demanding from him (a lot). Her summation was that it's a powerful relationship--if he can handle it. Composite draconic Mars on his natal Sun I think.. stuff like that.

I think the Saturn-Moon thing was that he would feel it a bit hard... can't remember the word she used. I took hasty notes in a word file, I'll look for it now..

Ok the following is even more totally off the thread rails (disclaimer!):

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Originally posted by mar1982delta:
And lastly another thought that I had yesterday after telling you that about the lines occurred a bit later, but anyway..
I was thinking how astrology is an entire language of higher knowledge/wisdom. It uses symbols, patterns and archetypes. If you read jung's sayings about the difference between signs and symbols, then you understand why astrology is so important. By using symbols etc, just like the line helps us focus in the aspects more quickly, astrology helps us understand the wisdom of the universe far more quickly than we could with our human minds alone. Alone, that is, without the use of astrology as a language.
Does any of this make sense? lol
I really believe them, hahahaha

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Yes They're poweeeerful ancient amazing wise allies, these stars and planets! They're truly benevolent god-like beauties whose comprehension has been develop'd by different cultures in different ways for sooo long...

My friend Ivan from Peru, he is indigenous to the mountains there, in the Puna region of the Andes, and he did a reading for me based on my birth month and such, and said I was born in the Kusi Coyeur (sic), which I think means beautiful something. Apparently a time ruled by water and Venus... the evening star, which is also my name in cree... and anyway Venus in my 12th house blah blah, it's a thing.

posted April 04, 2016 04:37 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
ABSOLUTELY! That is big.

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Yes, I wrote the question before seeing that you had already answered that lol
"I think that and the overlays to tropical North nnode are REALLY major, because this is what the Draco chart IS about, the nodes, no, the LUNAR Nodes."

posted April 04, 2016 04:40 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
Ceri said:

"it might be harder for him though"
In what way?

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She referred a lot to how much growth the relationship is demanding from him (a lot). Her summation was that it's a powerful relationship--if he can handle it. Composite draconic Mars on his natal Sun I think.. stuff like that.

I think the Saturn-Moon thing was that he would feel it a bit hard... can't remember the word she used. I took hasty notes in a word file, I'll look for it now..

Ok the following is even more totally off the thread rails (disclaimer!):

Yes They're poweeeerful ancient amazing wise allies, these stars and planets! They're truly benevolent god-like beauties whose comprehension has been develop'd by different cultures in different ways for sooo long...

My friend Ivan from Peru, he is indigenous to the mountains there, in the Puna region of the Andes, and he did a reading for me based on my birth month and such, and said I was born in the Kusi Coyeur (sic), which I think means beautiful something. Apparently a time ruled by water and Venus... the evening star, which is also my name in cree... and anyway Venus in my 12th house blah blah, it's a thing.

Aaanyway the point is they tell us things, and listening and carefully trying to understand just heaps blessings. Participating with heaven, yes? How can you go wrong?

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"Participating with heaven, yes? How can you go wrong? "

Yesssss!!! Absolutely! It is such a bliss!!! Thanks for your story!

posted April 04, 2016 04:48 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
INteresting about Juno.

I`ve always found it wonderous how when we first met Tr Juno was conjunct our c-Sun with 0°01 orb, I mean that is REALLY exact (on 26 Sag)

and not to derail my own thread but when we met my pr Jupiter was conjunct my n Juno on 16°58 Pisces exact, opposing his pMars on 15°20 Virgo (I know not exact, but still interesting)

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"and not to derail my own thread"
hahahahaha, I almost fell off the couch reading that

I was hesitant answering to yungang about Juno, because I didn't want to derail, but I will only comment that and then I'll hush myself for juno lol

posted April 04, 2016 04:53 PM            

you just made me look up Draco composite.

Turns out

Dr composite ASC falls right onto our tropical Arthur-Guinevere-conjunction

Dr Venus opposing both Suns and conjunct his IC
Dr Moon (4 degrees) off his IC and on its exact antiscion (and of his Moon as well, to which it is opposite by 4 degrees)

Dr Sun conjunct my DESC and opp. my Mars

Dr Ceres on his NN

Dr Chiron on my Pluto

Dr EP on his Venus exact

Dr Pluto on his ASC

Dr Mars on my IC and the antiscion of his ASC

Dr Uranus on my Chiron and opp. his Pluto (on our tropical composite nodal axis)

I am sure I forget some.

It is just funny how...

Dr composite Sun is on my DESC
DR composite Moon is on his IC

and

Dr compospite Venus is on his IC
Dr composite Mars is on my IC

posted April 04, 2016 05:07 PM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:
Yun,

you just made me look up Draco composite.

Turns out

Dr composite ASC falls right onto our tropical Arthur-Guinevere-conjunction

Dr Venus opposing both Suns and conjunct his IC
Dr Moon (4 degrees) off his IC and on its exact antiscion (and of his Moon as well, to which it is opposite by 4 degrees)

Dr Sun conjunct my DESC and opp. my Mars

Dr Ceres on his NN

Dr Chiron on my Pluto

Dr EP on his Venus exact

Dr Pluto on his ASC

Dr Mars on my IC and the antiscion of his ASC

Dr Uranus on my Chiron and opp. his Pluto (on our tropical composite nodal axis)

I am sure I forget some.

It is just funny how...

Dr composite Sun is on my DESC
DR composite Moon is on his IC

and

Dr compospite Venus is on his IC
Dr composite Mars is on my IC

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Ohhh, these are really a lot!!
And so much involvement of angles and luminaries!!!
How about configurations in draco composites? Are they significant, too?

posted April 04, 2016 05:08 PM            

Dr composite Sun is on my DESC
DR composite Moon is on his IC

and

Dr compospite Venus is on his IC
Dr composite Mars is on my IC"

posted April 04, 2016 05:12 PM            

It's in sections, and the draconic stuff is later on, but it's dead interesting, interesting to read the whole thing and see how she draws comparisons to each natal and such (I mean... I know the people involved and can confirm what she's saying so it's triple interesting for me, but some really useful nuggets in there and the synthesis is just lovely and breathtaking and accurate.

So maybe I'll share it and ya'll can read it and get some interesting insight into the way draconics work?

I might have been wrong about her referencing composite draconic chart though, still it's great that you uncovered those gems, it's really, really beautiful to see such cohesive charts <3 the love and power in it is palpable..

posted April 04, 2016 05:22 PM            

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Originally posted by yungang_grotto:
So... an aside... or not: I dug up this word file where I copied verbatim as fast as I could what Dawn was saying. Thinking of sharing it, maybe starting a thread and just posting the whole thing?

It's in sections, and the draconic stuff is later on, but it's dead interesting, interesting to read the whole thing and see how she draws comparisons to each natal and such (I mean... I know the people involved and can confirm what she's saying so it's triple interesting for me, but some really useful nuggets in there and the synthesis is just lovely and breathtaking and accurate.

So maybe I'll share it and ya'll can read it and get some interesting insight into the way draconics work?

I might have been wrong about her referencing composite draconic chart though, still it's great that you uncovered those gems, it's really, really beautiful to see such cohesive charts <3 the love and power in it is palpable..

Anyhow here I go to start that thread I think even though it feels somehow vulnerable... in the name of astrology!

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"in the name of astrology!"

Yesss! How nice!! Thanks!

posted April 04, 2016 06:32 PM              

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Originally posted by Faith:
It means NOTHING.

You hear me?

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Im going to be honest, i really dont care about you or your opinion of my opinion.

I do care that you attempt to shame me out of my opinion via ridicule, an act that in and of itself flies in the face of the concept of freedom of speech.

You have a knack for trying to bully women younger than you on the board, and at your age it's embarrass jng. Surely you habe better things to do?