posted March 22, 2009 11:10 PM         

Its difficult to ignore a guy getting so very upset for reasons I can't fathom. At the moment you're actually more interesting than my book.

posted March 23, 2009 10:59 AM         

Anyways.... (I think most of what I say is "unbecoming" of me lol hehe but now I'll think of that every time I say something stupid like that, THANKS A LOT! hehe see my thick green snot reference above for more unbecoming behavior... ohh, I amuse myself when I am delusional with sickness...)
So, um, anyways...

oh! That's right, I came to say that I wrote this long rambling post yesterday to thank you, Tink, and commented on the dynamics of earlier that you commented on...
something about how it has to do with
different perspectives
different personalities
different current emotions
different past emotions (history)
and
whatever astrological weather and/or emotional energy is active at the time

and how all of that together creates the current dynamic and then I went off on this musing about a grand plan and what's determined and why and then started musing about the earlier Ethiopia type references and starting thinking how we are all just experimental combinations of energies and how "laws" or "truth" or "karma" reacts to bring about the evolution of each of the energies so someone going through some terrible holocaust might be experiencing it as some sort of hell to learn about suffering from a past life of causing suffering to others or might be a strong soul sent to guide those who are having to suffer to learn... who knows or combinations of all of those are possible which is why the thing rings true to me about how we aren't supposed to feel pity for a person in certain situations because it is disrespectful of their station in life, we are meant to feel compassion... and if that compassion moves us to take an action that will alleviate some of their pain then that is the right thing for All.

But, annnnywaaays, I left the post on a tab and didn't enter and kept cutting parts out that I worried someone might take wrong etc and then opened some lyric thread that crashed my browser and lost the whole thing. :/ So, I guess that was good because you two got to express your hurt feelings.

posted March 23, 2009 11:20 AM         

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oh! That's right, I came to say that I wrote this long rambling post yesterday to thank you, Tink, and commented on the dynamics of earlier that you commented on...
something about how it has to do with

different perspectives
different personalities
different current emotions
different past emotions (history)
and
whatever astrological weather and/or emotional energy is active at the time

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Gosh, the trials and tribulations of being human....as well as the joys.

But I think you could be right about purpose and everything....something just rings true for me. There's something that speaks to my subconscious when I see things about sacred geometry. Also, have you ever seen that tv show called "Beyond Chance"? It's brilliant.

The duality of this particular existence is something which has confused me at times of the soul's dark night. However, maybe in the grander scheme of things...maybe everything happens for a reason. Maybe it's far more amazing than we can ever imagine while we here. Maybe we need to temporarily forget our past in order to focus on this life, this experience.

What I feel I have seen....is enough to convince me that the universe is organized in such a way that nothing happens just from chance.

posted March 23, 2009 08:36 PM         

The following appears in "The Essential Kabbalah",
under the heading of "Heretical Faith":

“The essence of faith is an awareness of the vastness of Infinity. Whatever conception of it enters the mind is an absolutely negligible speck in comparison to what should be conceived, adn what should be conceived is no less negligible compared to what it really is... Every definition of God leads to heresy; definition is spiritual idolatry. Even attributing mind and will to God, even attributing divinity itself, and the name "God" -- these, too, are definitions. Were it not for the subtle awareness that all these are just sparkling flashes of that which transcends definition -- these, too, would engender heresy... The greatest impediment to the human spirit results from the fact that the conception of God is fixed in a particular form, due to childish habit and imagination. This is a spark of the defect of idolatry, of which we must beware.

All the troubles of the world, especially spiritual troubles such as impatience, hopelessness, and despair, derive from the failure to see the grandeur of God clearly. It is natural for each individual creature to be humble in the presence of God, to nullify itself in the presence of the the whole -- all the more so in the presence of the source of all being, which one senses as infinitely beyond the whole. There is no sadness or depression in this act, but rather delight and a feeling of being uplifted, a sense of inner power. But when is it natural? When the grandeur of God is well portrayed in the soul, with clear awareness, beyond any notion of divine essence.

We avoid studying the true nature of the divine, and as a result, the concept of God has dimmed. The innermost point of the awareness of God has become so faint that the essence of God is conceived only as a stern power from whom you cannot escape, to whom you must subjugate yourself. If you submit to the service of God on this empty basis, you gradually lose your radiance by constricting your consciousness. The divine splendour is plucked from your soul.

"Every sensitive spirit feels compelled to discard such a conception of God. This denial is the heresy that paves the way for the Messiah, when the knowledge of God runs dry throughout the world. The crude complacency of imagining God in words and letters alone puts humanity to shame. Heresy arises as a pained outcry to liberate us from this strange, narrow pit, to raise us from the darkness of letters and platitudes to the light of thought and feeling. Such heresy eventually takes its stand in the center of morality. It has a temporary legitimacy, for it must consume the filthy froth clingling to mindless faith. The real purpose of heresy is to remove the particular forms from the thought of the essence of all life, the root of every single thought... removing the dross that separates us from genuine divine light. On the desolate ruins wrought by heresy, the sublime knowledge of God will build her temple. Utter heresy arrises to purify the air of the wicked, insolent filth of thinking about the essence of divinity -- an act of peeping that leads to idolatry. In itself this heresy is no better than what it attacks, but it is absolutely opposed to it, and out of the clash of these two opposites, humanity is aided immensely in approaching an enlightened awareness of God, which draws it toward temporal and eternal bliss...

"Pure belief in the oneness of God has been blurred by corporeality. From time to time, this confusion is exposed. Whenever a corporeal aspect falls away, it seems as if faith itself has fallen, but afterward it turns out that, in fact, faith has been clarified. As the human spirit verges on complete clarity of faith, the final subtle shell of corporeality falls away -- attributing existence to God. For truly, existence, however we define it, is immeasurably remote from God. The silhouette of this denial resembes heresy but when clarified is actually the highest level of faith. Then the human spirit becomes aware that the divine emanates existence and is itself beyond existence. What appeared to be heresy, now purified, is restored to purest faith. But this denial of existence in God -- this return to the source of all being, to the essential vibrancy of all existence -- requires exquisite insight. Each day one must trace it back to its authentic purity.

The Infinite transcends every particular content of faith."

posted March 23, 2009 09:14 PM         

BlueRoamer, I hear you.

Peri

Ghanima81

LEXX, thanks for rationalizing. You are not the confused one here.

HSC, suicide is NEVER a joke. Group suicide is most definitely NEVER a joke, let alone "a meaningful joke" as you put it. I am not condemning suicide on moral grounds here, as I used to be extremely suicidal myself, and I can empathize. I simply do not encourage suicide, and certainly not collective suicide. You want empathy, sympathy, compassion, understanding from others, yet you offer none of the above to those who respond to you when they are not saying what you want to hear. You claim that you forbid those who can't understand you to approach you, while in fact you are denying people who are trying to understand you and getting close to you. You want people to agree with you, and you cannot tolerate people who challenge you. Your logic is distorted as you claim you reach out for love yet your topic invites wrath and hatred; you abuse people's concern and good will. You are full of self-righteousness, grandiosity and lack of remorse. Your astrological discrimination (water signs only) is so astrologically miseducated. You talk about all those things that you want to discuss and to hear yet you rarely listen to people who genuinely care and you put on a very collectively destructive subject for your thread. You claim that you ask for understanding, but your starting post asks for misunderstanding and much trouble.

Actually I was hintting your substance abuse. And I knew you never liked people telling you off drugs, and now most of us turn a blind eye to avoid advising you to no avail. Drug abuse is chronicle suicide. It is murder. I know you are angry with me, HSC; all I can say is the chances are I am not quite on your wave-length, so we are not hearing each other, and you have been pretty immersed in suicidal ideation, despair, rage and all those dark moods.

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Next, you might be annoyed at this but I have to include it. Get some kind of a mindset that you need to incorporate reasonably arduous exercise, for a number of reasons - it will balance some of your emotions and ease up the feeling that you are living on your nerves. What I get a glimpse of is probably climbing/strenuous walking in natural settings - you may be only able to figure this in every 3 weeks but you have to try to in some capacity. You will need a pack and you may be able to go with others.

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Chryseis has made quite a few sound points. She mentioned your drug addiction; she advised that you need a mentor in flesh, not just one online; she suggested that you return to nature. HSC, you don't get all the help you need on the Internet. You need to leave the computer, step outside, return to the wonderful nature and that will change your whole being, whether slightly or significantly. But as long as you insist on not taking the first step toward change, you are very likely to remain in your pain.

You don't see that I've posted not because what you posted bothers me, but because I cared. I still do. I tried to be humble, I tried to be in your shoes, yet you used my very own words to attack me.
You are held accountable for whatever you say or do. Whatever you send out, it will come back to you manyfold.

LL is not meant to be a group suicide website!

Way enough for now. This was meant to be the extra for an old post but it couldn't get through. Not going to pick a fight and contribute more to this thread.

D