posted August 15, 2014 07:59 AM            

-Vesta
-Penelope (201) Ulysses (5254) and Odysseus (1143)

Of course, first the planetary aspects should be considered: Saturn aspects in natals and synastry/composite, some fixed placements in synastry/composite. What other planetary placements should be considered to determine a person/synastry with loyalty potential?

Back to the asteroids I mentioned:

Vesta is a point of dedication and focus, a place of devotion and sacred sexuality. It is, IMO, a potential symbol of sexual fidelity.

Vesta Goddess of The Hearth and Sacred Flame
Vesta the Goddess governs the domain of the Sacred in Modern Life

The asteroid Vesta (Latin) is named after the ancient Greek goddess Hestia, first born of the Olympian deities and last released by her father Cronos (father Time), who at one point swallowed all his offspring.

Thus she denotes the beginning and the end – alpha and omega – and serves as a reminder of the source from which all things originate and to which all must return. She represents the preservation of sacredness and the state of connection to formless Essence.

As such, she is the only Olympic deity not worshipped anthropomorphically; she is symbolized only by the altar and its sacred flame.

Sacred Space

Thus she also represents any sacred space – be it temple, sweat lodge, or meditation corner – that acts as a container in which we may center ourselves, and feel the presence of Spirit. In ancient times Vesta was worshipped both in the city center as the flaming altar, and in every home as the central hearth whose embers were literally passed on down through the generations from mother to daughter when the daughter married and established her own hearth.

In this manner Vesta came to represent the perpetuation of the spark of life, and of civilization and one’s ancestral and cultural roots.

In early matriarchal societies, priestesses honoring Hestia maintained a connection to this spiritual essence (represented by a sacred flame that they tended night and day). They offered themselves in sacred sexual union in order to teach the divine aspect of sexuality and the need to remain aware of the sacred while engaged in physical life. The priestesses remained unmarried and committed to none but themselves and their worship.

Their sons (conceived anonymously during ceremonial summer solstice rites) served as year-kings when there was no royal heir. These customs were finally abolished when patrilineal traditions were enforced and the priestesses were compelled by the Roman king to serve as keepers of the new (patriarchal) civilization and to observe vows of celibacy.

To break these vows entailed a cruel death penalty. In exchange for the relinquishment of their sexuality, matrilineal customs, and true spiritual function, the priestesses (Vestal Virgins) were granted freedom from paternal control.

Kundalini

Vesta’s sacred flame represents, in the yogic tradition, the kundalini force which, when properly awakened and channeled, leads to spiritual development. Thus, astrologically, Vesta has come to represent both spirituality and consecrated (or desecrated) sexuality. This can include a wide range of sexual expressions such as abstinence, renunciation and celibacy, the celebration of spiritually honored sexuality, sexual idealism, and the sacred ***** .
Astrological Significance

Astrologically, Vesta stands for that which provides us with inner sustenance; the way in which we are pulled back to our core or inner self; and the struggle between this and the demands of the outer world. Vesta represents the way in which we long to bless others with the fruits of the spiritual resources we have found within ourselves, but it is also the need to retreat and preserve our inner sanctuary against any disrespectful intrusion.

Vesta is associated with dedication, focus, and commitment. She represents those things that helps us focus, the way in which we dedicate ourselves with heart and soul, and that for which we are ready (or compelled) to make a sacrifice. The things indicated by Vesta’s position in your chart may be things that you feel compelled to give up or sacrifice, often out of a sense of spiritual compulsion.

Yet they can also be the very things that evoke your dedication – leading to a sense of deep inner fulfillment when you are willing to make some sacrifices on their behalf. Keep this paradox in mind as you read on, for Vesta can express itself one way or the other – or both!
http://www.healingstars.com/goddess-astrology/vesta-goddess-of-the-hearth/

Vesta, the Eternal Flame

Astronomical Description

The asteroid, Vesta, was discovered by German astronomer, Heinrich Wilhelm Olbers, on March 29, 1807. She resides in the main asteroid belt, has a diameter of 503 kilometers, and an orbital period around the Sun of 3.63 years. Vesta's basalt-like surface has a very high albedo, or reflectivity, and a spectral curve which resembles that of achondrite meteorites. It's the brightest of the main-belt asteroids and barely visible to the naked eye in clear dark skies.

Astrological Implications

Astrologically, Vesta contains elements of both Virgo and Scorpio. Virgo is represented by Vesta, the virgin, and Scorpio is associated with sex and passion. In the ancient Assyrian and Babylonian cultures, these two constellations of the Zodiac were connected and represented by a serpent. As the cultural norm became patriarchal, Libra was placed between them in the portion known as "the Chelae," or claws of the scorpion. If you think about that, there's some serious irony there, that this region became Libra, representing relationships and marriage. Somehow I feel as if Peg and Al Bundy could relate.

As a combination of Virgo and Scorpio, Vesta is a prognosticator of devotion on one hand and fanaticism on the other. She is also an indicator of attitudes associated with sex, particularly those at a visceral and subconscious level that are not confined within the bounds of a traditional or monogamous relationship. This is the realm of sexual fantasies and desires that are far outside the bounds of polite society. Subconsciously, these desires are not seen as promiscuous, per se, but rather as a ritualistic act of service. Social norms, however, can instill a strong sense of guilt in spite of the inner drive a Vesta-type individual possesses to engage in numerous sexual exploits. In negative aspects, Vesta can influence the opposite behavior as well, such as sexual repression, fears, or the inability to share oneself with others or maintain close relationships. Similar challenges at expressing these energies could result if she's retrograde.

The ability to concentrate on a specific task or goal is also influenced by Vesta's placement. In fact, the Latin word for hearth is focus. This ties in closely with the Virgo work ethic and meticulous approach to problems of any sort.

Vesta can convert sexual energy to a solid commitment and dedication to one's work and often operates in this fashion in those who dedicate themselves to spiritual or service-oriented quests, such as certain religious orders. Similar energy conversions are also in effect in the pursuit of enlightenment. In a less dramatic fashion, Vesta also influences the path one should take to fulfill their dharma, or life's mission, without which they can become frustrated and unfulfilled.

In synastry, or astrological compatibility, aspects between Vesta's placement in the natal charts of the individuals involved with either the placement of their partner's Vesta or other planets indicates the nature of their sexual relationship, attraction, and what their expectations or deepest desires regarding an intimate relationship may entail.
http://www.valkyrieastrology.com/Makeover/asteroids/vesta.html

Penelope and Odysseus

Penelope is the wife of the main character, the king of Ithaca, Odysseus (Ulysses in Roman mythology), and daughter of Icarius and his wife Periboea. She only has one son by Odysseus, Telemachus, who was born just before Odysseus was called to fight in the Trojan War. She waits twenty years for the final return of her husband,[7] during which she devises various strategies to delay marrying one of the 108[8] suitors (led by Antinous and including Agelaus, Amphinomus, Ctessippus, Demoptolemus, Elatus, Euryades, Eurymachus and Peisandros).

On Odysseus's return, disguised as an old beggar, he finds that Penelope has remained faithful. She has devised tricks to delay her suitors, one of which is to pretend to be weaving a burial shroud for Odysseus's elderly father Laertes and claiming that she will choose a suitor when she has finished. Every night for three years, she undoes part of the shroud, until Melantho, one of twelve unfaithful serving women, discovers her chicanery and reveals it to the suitors.

Because of her efforts to put off remarriage, Penelope is often seen as a symbol of connubial fidelity and we are reminded several times of her fidelity. But due to Athena's meddling, who wants her "to show herself to the wooers, that she might set their hearts a-flutter and win greater honor from her husband and her son than heretofore", Penelope does appear before the suitors (xviii.160–162). As Irene de Jong comments:

As so often, it is Athena who takes the initiative in giving the story a new direction ... Usually the motives of mortal and god coincide, here they do not: Athena wants Penelope to fan the Suitor's desire for her and (thereby) make her more esteemed by her husband and son; Penelope has no real motive ... she simply feels an unprecedented impulse to meet the men she so loathes ... adding that she might take this opportunity to talk to Telemachus (which she will indeed do).[9]

She is ambivalent, variously asking Artemis to kill her and, apparently, considering marrying one of the suitors. When the disguised Odysseus returns, she announces in her long interview with the disguised hero that whoever can string Odysseus's rigid bow and shoot an arrow through twelve axe heads may have her hand. "For the plot of the Odyssey, of course, her decision is the turning point, the move that makes possible the long-predicted triumph of the returning hero".[10]

There is debate as to whether she is aware that Odysseus is behind the disguise. Penelope and the suitors know that Odysseus (were he in fact present) would easily surpass all in any test of masculine skill. Since Odysseus seems to be the only person (perhaps excepting Telemachus) who can actually use the bow, it could merely have been another delaying tactic of Penelope's.

When the contest of the bow begins, none of the suitors are able to string the bow, but Odysseus does, and wins the contest. Having done so, he proceeds to slaughter the suitors—beginning with Antinous whom he finds drinking from Odysseus' cup—with help from Telemachus, Athena and two servants, Eumaeus the swineherd and Philoetius the cowherd. Odysseus has now revealed himself in all his glory (with a little makeover by Athena); yet Penelope cannot believe that her husband has really returned—she fears that it is perhaps some god in disguise, as in the story of Alcmene—and tests him by ordering her servant Euryclea to move the bed in their bridal-chamber. Odysseus protests that this cannot be done since he made the bed himself and knows that one of its legs is a living olive tree. Penelope finally accepts that he truly is her husband, a moment that highlights their homophrosýnē (ὁμοφροσύνη, "like-mindedness").[11] Homer implies, that from then on, Odysseus would live a long and happy life together with Penelope and Telemachus, wisely ruling his kingdom and enjoying wide respect and much success.[12]

Both Penelope and Odysseus are a symbol of marital faithfulness. Although perhaps Odysseus experienced various "temptations" on his long way back to Penelope, he went to great lengths to get back home to her, and she had waited for him.

First, I would look at the natal placements of Vesta, Penelope, Odysseus, Ulysses to determine if one has a "loyal" natal.

Then we see if there are strong contacts in synastry and composite, involving luminaries, angles, Venus/Mars and Saturn, perhaps Pluto, which, I believe, in contact to Vesta or Penelope/Ulysses could show faithfulness.

So what are your aspects?

What other asteroids/points you suggest for relational loyalty and faithfulness?

EDIT: Also check:

Fides (37) - latin word for faithfulness (but also for faith/trust)
Fiducia (380)
Hestia (46)
the aspects to Juno
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posted August 15, 2014 08:07 AM            

I don´t think asteroids based on names are as strong as those based on myths, but still, worth a try:

Fides (37) - latin word for faithfulness (but also for faith/trust)

posted August 15, 2014 08:16 AM            

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Originally posted by I'm so cappy:
There is Hestia asteroid too.

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posted August 15, 2014 08:23 AM            

PENELOPE On 21 Scorpio, right on 12th house cusp, trine EROS on 21 Cancer in 8th house
also opposes ODYSSEUS on 21 Taurus in 6th house

(I find it interesting how ODYSSEUS and ULYSSES are never far from each other, considering they are the same person . lol Well Ulysses in my chart is on 24 Taurus)

VESTA of course as you know on 1 Capricorn on the AP, right on Sun/Venus and Mercury/Venus-mp, sextile Uranus on 11th cusp.
Despite it just being a sextile, I love it, it is precise 1.22 both. lol

FIDUCIA on 18 Sagittarius, is not so strong. Well we could say it is in 1st house, sextile Moon on 17 Aquarius and opposing KARMA on 16 Gemini (but compared to the others it is not as prominent. lol)

FIDES on 7.50 Capricorn is precisely conjunct OSIRIS on 7.50 Capricorn. lol
Oh and conjunct ISIS on 8 Capricorn and maybe more improtantly Venus on 6 Capricorn, squaring pluto on 9 Libra, sextile Pholus on 6 Pisces and so on.

Mr Glue himself, Saturn, is in 8th house, widely conjunct ERos and Vertex (4 degrees - but it is Saturn after all. lol), square Chiron (3 degrees), and most importantly exactly quinkunx Moon and exactly trine JUNO (only one minute of orb - and Juno was a faithful one on her own, despite Jupiter not being exactl husband of the year ).

So to summarize.

Saturn: Cancer 8th house
Vesta: Capricorn 1st house
Penelope: Scorpio 12th house
Odysseus: Taurus 6th house
Fides: Capricorn 1st house

Definitely an emphasis on Cancer-Capricorn and Scorpio-Taurus axis there in my chart.

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For HIM:

Saturn in Virgo on the DESC:
conjunct Vertex (and Aphrodite. lol)
square Sun, Moon, MC
trine Venus

Vesta in Taurus in 1st house:
trine NN (2)
opposing LUST (3)
widely trine PENELOPE (3)
square FIDUCIA (2)

PENELOPE 00 Cap 10th (on AP)
conjunct Moon and MC (2)
trine NN exact

ODYSSEUS 19 SCorpio 8th house
conjunct VALENTINE on 19 Scorpio exact

FIDES 16 Aquarius 12th house

FIDUCIA 1 Aquarius 11th house (right on our composite ASC on 1 Aquarius. lol)
quinkunx NN exact

Let`s see for him there seems to be an earth-signs emphasis:

Taurus: Vesta
Virgo: Saturn
Capricorn: Penelope

along with the fixed signs:

Taurus: Vesta
Scorpio: Odysseus (and Ulysses)
Aquarius: Fides and Fiducia

posted August 15, 2014 08:32 AM            

I think Penelope in 12th Scorpio shows a very devotional side.

posted August 15, 2014 08:32 AM            

My Juno is on 17 Pisces, not fixed sign, but trine Saturn.

For Mr Sag

JUNO is on 27 Cancer in his 5th house, trine his ASC and sextile his Saturn-Vertex.

HESTIA on 18 Virgo (so also fitting into his earth-sign-pattern), sextile Valentine-Odysseus, square Neptune, and conj. natural Lilith (well if only those tempations would not present themselves! ).

Also let`s not forget Neptune and Uranus in 4th harmonic tension with Venus, Mars, ruler of 5th or 7th house can point to difficulties to sustain a committed relationship. Does not mean they WILL Cheat. Just that it might become a challenge to stay in love and committed with the same person (depending on synastry, too, of course).

Uranus needs constant stimulation, and Neptune tends to fall for idealizations, dreams instead of real people, but is also prone to become infatuated with other people again, especially if a relationship becomes too "earthly" and disturbs the dreaming.

Not every Neptune and Uranus islike this of course, but I would pay attention to those pesky squares of Neptune and Uranus to relationship planets.

in my case well, I have Neptune conjunct Mars. What can I say?

However with Venus, as ruler of 5th house, squared by Pluto, my obsessions usually last a LOOOOONG time.

In my observations saturn and Pluto in dynamic tension to relationship planets tend to provide so much glue, that sometimes it becomes suffocating. And Uranus and Neptune oftentimes seem to just dissolve or flow away (Uranus usually like a bolt, and Neptune might just flow away and then not knowing how they ended up there, outside the relationship, to begin with).

posted August 15, 2014 08:37 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Looking at your placements, Ceri, and all those fixed placements and Capricorn/Cancer, I'd say you are definitely a faithful partner. The connection to Eros, Saturn/Juno/Eros and Penelope trine Eros show you're a faithful partner in a relationship that satisfies your truly erotic side, so that relationship must involve sexuality on a deep level, the difference between sex and Eros. These placements tell me you are picky about a partner in this respect, you won't settle for less lol.

I think Penelope in 12th Scorpio shows a very devotional side.

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I totally agree.

It takes a lot for me to open up, too, but once done, it is forever for me.
(emotionally at least). Which makes things a tad difficult in this day and age. lol

posted August 15, 2014 08:46 AM            

WOW, Ceri, when I read your placements, I thought "loyal to the end" (in case you're in love, of course

According to my natal, I am supposedly a cheater but I never did Well, if you count unfaithful thoughts, I am a big cheater

posted August 15, 2014 08:47 AM            

I think Mars should also be analyzed and how it connects to loyalty markers, for sexual fidelity.

posted August 15, 2014 08:48 AM            

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Originally posted by Ceridwen:

Also let`s not forget Neptune and Uranus in 4th harmonic tension with Venus, Mars, ruler of 5th or 7th house can point to difficulties to sustain a committed relationship. Does not mean they WILL Cheat. Just that it might become a challenge to stay in love and committed with the same person (depending on synastry, too, of course).

Uranus needs constant stimulation, and Neptune tends to fall for idealizations, dreams instead of real people, but is also prone to become infatuated with other people again, especially if a relationship becomes too "earthly" and disturbs the dreaming.

Not every Neptune and Uranus islike this of course, but I would pay attention to those pesky squares of Neptune and Uranus to relationship planets.

in my case well, I have Neptune conjunct Mars. What can I say?

However with Venus, as ruler of 5th house, squared by Pluto, my obsessions usually last a LOOOOONG time.

In my observations saturn and Pluto in dynamic tension to relationship planets tend to provide so much glue, that sometimes it becomes suffocating. And Uranus and Neptune oftentimes seem to just dissolve or flow away (Uranus usually like a bolt, and Neptune might just flow away and then not knowing how they ended up there, outside the relationship, to begin with).

Saturn and pluto relationships never end. Well people pretend they do, by getting involved with other people, but in actuality if you have a real Saturn-Pluto-relationship, it never ends. Period.
(the way it affected you never does at least).

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posted August 15, 2014 09:00 AM            

Hestia in Cancer in 1st conjuncts my Sun

Fiducia on 6th house cusp in Sag conjuncts Neptune in Sag in the 5th

Odysseus and Ulysseus in Libra in 4th conjunct Pluto and IC

Penelope in Scorpio in 4th does not make any major aspects; only a biquintile to juno in gemini in 11th

posted August 15, 2014 09:05 AM            

My faithfulness profile

ASC in Cap
Saturn on DSC, sextile Sun and IC, trine MC

Mars in Libra 8th (conjunct Pluto) - not a very faithful placement, but lover of fairness but it trines Hestia/Ulysses and sextile Fides

Vesta near MC (5) in Scorpio 9th. This makes someone committed in general, but mostly to a cause/dream/life philosophy.
Vesta square Moon/Lilith, trine Jupiter/Juno and Saturn, semisextile Mercury exact.

Fiducia conjunct Vesta (3)

Juno/Jupiter in Pisces 2nd opp Sun/Venus, connected to angles and Saturn

Penelope conjunct Mercury (5th/8th ruler - pretty faithful when in love) in Libra/8th. Sextile NN/POF and sextile Moon exact. It enhances my fixed Moon. Squares Saturn. Trines Lilith. The Lilith trine shows this Penelope needs a constant flow of passion/challenge/truth to stay in lol

Odysseus in Taurus 4th trines Mars. A faithful Mars, after all.

Hestia conjunct Ulysses and Eros exact, in Gem 4th, part of my Venus Cross (opposite Neptune conjunct Fides exact - another marker for being faithful to a dream and the beautiful part of life, enhances Neptune) squares Venus and my Pisces stellium.

Quite faithful, but rather picky too

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posted August 15, 2014 09:13 AM            

And woe the man who dares to stop your creativity and passions Reasons: Moon sq lilith and Vesta near mc and Odysseus trine mars (wants to have a good sex life and who could blame you for that? ) and all that stuff of your venus cross

posted August 15, 2014 09:15 AM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Vesta in Taurus in 10 th
Juno in Gemini in 11th
Fides in Aqua 7th -> trines Juno and widely squares Vesta

Hestia in Cancer in 1st conjuncts my Sun

Fiducia on 6th house cusp in Sag conjuncts Neptune in Sag in the 5th

Odysseus and Ulysseus in Libra in 4th conjunct Pluto and IC

Penelope in Scorpio in 4th does not make any major aspects; only a biquintile to juno in gemini in 11th

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Is Vesta unaspected?

What you have strong is Hestia conjunct Sun, which means you have some strong characteristics associated with Hestia.

Also, Ulysses Odysseus with Pluto on IC I think could enhance your Pluto a lot, give a very Plutonian "core" a rather strong obsessive side. Loyalty is associated with obsession lol with holding onto to an idea/dream/person, just like Odysseus had this obsession about getting home. Being on IC, it may suggest you need to take a journey, just like him, in order to get home (perhaps an inner journey, to find your real home) it also shows a strong longing for being "home". It's quite a strong aspect there, on your IC.

posted August 15, 2014 09:16 AM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Yes, you can be quite faithful if you want and before I read that "a constant flow of passion/challenge/truth to stay" I thought it

And woe the man who dares to stop your creativity and passions Reasons: Moon sq lilith and Vesta near mc and Odysseus trine mars (wants to have a good sex life and who could blame you for that? ) and all that stuff of your venus cross

but if he is good in bed, cares for passion and does not hinder your creativity: Go!

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posted August 15, 2014 09:21 AM            

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Originally posted by LeeLoo2014:
Is Vesta unaspected?

What you have strong is Hestia conjunct Sun, which means you have some strong characteristics associated with Hestia.

Also, Ulysses Odysseus with Pluto on IC I think could enhance your Pluto a lot, give a very Plutonian "core" a rather strong obsessive side. Loyalty is associated with obsession lol with holding onto to an idea/dream/person, just like Odysseus had this obsession about getting home. Being on IC, it may suggest you need to take a journey, just like him, in order to get home (perhaps an inner journey, to find your real home) it also shows a strong longing for being "home". It's quite a strong aspect there, on your IC.

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Vesta makes a wide sextile to my venus in cancer in 12th house and conjuncts chiron

Hmmm...Hestia was a virgin.... I need to read some articles about her

posted August 15, 2014 09:28 AM            

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Originally posted by Enneline:
Vesta makes a wide sextile to my venus in cancer in 12th house and conjuncts chiron

Hmmm...Hestia was a virgin.... I need to read some articles about her

Yes, I am very obsessive. Not only in regard to love. I am can become childish "i want it and I want it NOW" . I always blamed my moon in aries for that

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and you must be right about the Aries Moon

Vesta conjunct Chiron sextile Venus in Cancer? This is nice. After a lot of pain, you can be healed by the "inner fire", by passion and love. Also, art or creativity or anything connected to Venus in cancer must have a healing effect on you.

posted August 15, 2014 09:30 AM            

VESTA conj VX 2°
JUNO conj PLUTO 1°
ODYSSEUS conj SUN 1°
HESTIA conj VENUS 0°
HESTIA opp CHIRON 3°
FIDES opp NEPTUNE 2°
FIDUCIA opp VENUS 1°
FIDUCIA opp HESTIA 2°

On synastry with KD, someone I'm still stuck on for 18 years, and running. Major aspects only.

my MOON squ JUNO 2°
my MOON trine FIDUCIA 1°
my MOON squ PENELOPE 1°
my MERCURY conj ODYSSEUS 0°
my VENUS opp VESTA 4° (DW)
my MARS trine VESTA 1°
my URANUS conj ODYSSEUS 1°
my NEPTUNE squ HESTIA 2°
my PLUTO squ JUNO 3° (DW)
my CHIRON trine PENELOPE 3°
my VX trine VESTA 1°
my JUNO conj PLUTO 0° (DW)
my JUNO squ JUNO 2°
my JUNO trine FIDUCIA 3°
my VESTA opp VENUS 2° (DW)
my VESTA conj JUPITER 3°
my VESTA trine CHIRON 3°
my VESTA trine VESTA 0°
my FIDES opp NEPTUNE 2°
my FIDES trine PLUTO 2°
my FIDES trine FIDUCIA 0°
my FIDUCIA trine JUPITER 0°
my FIDUCIA conj CHIRON 0°
my FIDUCIA conj VESTA 2°
my PENELOPE opp SATURN 0°
my PENELOPE trine URANUS 2°
my PENELOPE trine ODYSSEUS 1°
my HESTIA trine VENUS 2°
my HESTIA opp CHIRON 2°
my ULYSSES squ NN/SN 1°
my ULYSSES squ FIDES 0°
my ODYSSEUS squ VENUS 0°
my ODYSSEUS squ JUPITER 0°
my ODYSSEUS opp VX 2°