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Topic: Upcoming birthday and a hope for a better year.
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Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 24006 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 14, 2010 12:00 PM
Moon`square /oppositionSaturn Moon square or opposition Saturn When Moon is in hard aspect to Saturn in the natal chart, natives need to learn to trust others more. Fear keeps them from fully enjoying personal relationships, and fear is behind the occasional rigidity that they express. When they let themselves receive nurture or care from others, an inner voice cautions them that it might not be sincere, long-lasting, or enough! There can be some reluctance about becoming a parent, but once taken on, these people don't take their responsibility lightly. Emotional reticence is the main theme of these aspects. Many people with this aspect had a lot of conditions placed on the love they received in early childhood. They tend to expect the same later in life. With hard Saturn aspects, individuals are often plagued with doubts, not only about the self but about what to expect from life itself. The problem is that expecting difficulties or negative situations creates an aura around them that perpetuates the problem. They must work hard at positive thinking and expecting more from life. Ironically, many people with hard Saturn aspects can be quite sarcastic, skeptical, and rigid in manner. This is essentially a defense mechanism designed to protect themselves from harshness in the world. It is extremely likely that they feel neglected because they perceive it in the first place, and later expect it, to be the case. There's a vicious circle going on here that can only be broken when the patterns created by negative conditioning are broken. Adjusting one's perceptions and expectations is the key to breaking out of these negative patterns. Otherwise, natives of hard Moon-Saturn aspects will live life feeling left out--attracting circumstances that perpetuate a feeling of deep unhappiness and dissatisfaction. ------------------ The most beautiful things in the world can't be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. Helen Keller IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 24006 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 14, 2010 12:07 PM
My summary(plus intuition) so far,is that he needs to come to you. He has a lot of intrapersonal barriers holding him back. Within him is fear of rejection(Saturn in the 12th), fear of anything ever working out, fear of hoping for anything to ever work out(all Saturn in the 12th)Then, he has Sun /Uranus in hard aspect which is an extreme individuality aspect i.e."I want to do my own thing and no one can tell me otherwise " lol He has Mars in the 8th which makes going after something in a direct way, hard for him. He has moon/mars in hard aspect.Again, this makes his emotions and his drive fight each other. He has Moon/Pluto in hard aspect which makes a real fear of vulnerability maybe from being hurt in childhood by his mother. He has a Cancer moon(like I do). This is a warm ,sensitive moon which hates rejection with a passion. So far, those are some of the reasons WHY I think he may be running away. What do you think, Rajin? ------------------ The most beautiful things in the world can't be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. Helen Keller IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 24006 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 14, 2010 12:10 PM
This is Sun conjunct Jupiter I am trying to answer the question"Why is he running. I don't want to forget the good things that make him worth running after Sun conjunct Jupiter Unless Saturn is also involved with this aspect, individuals with Sun conjunct Jupiter in their natal charts are enthusiastic and optimistic. They truly expect the best—from themselves, from others, and from life. They prefer to see the good in the world.
Their confidence in everything turning out all right can also get them into some trouble. Over-indulgence in food or drink, gambling, shopping�whatever their pleasure�is a high possibility, simply because these people can be procrastinators and put too much faith in life "fixing" things on its own. They might eat just for the sake of eating, indulge in expensive items temporarily forgetting the reality of the bill arriving the following month, and so forth. It can be hard for them to save money. The truth is, many times it seems like these people have a guardian angel who sweeps in and saves their behinds, sometimes at the very last minute. They tend to "get away with" more than most people. But inevitably they'll face some consequences for their excesses, such as an expanding waistline or growing debt. Although not especially competitive, Sun conjunct Jupiter individuals have a cheerful outlook and tend to accomplish quite a bit. They are quite resourceful. They generally are able to win over others, as theirs is a nature that is willing to help out others rather than argue with them. They come across as fair, big-hearted, and sincere. Generous with their time and money, these people are easy to like. Because they tend to over-estimate their capabilities, they can promise more than they can deliver. Some people with this aspect can be self-righteous and moralistic. Others express the teaching side of Jupiter. Still others are prone to exaggeration, although their stories are so interesting that people tend to overlook it. Although largely positive and optimistic, Sun-Jupiter people are not immune to depression. Although short-lived, their downs can be dramatic, simply because they are unprepared for these times. ------------------ The most beautiful things in the world can't be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. Helen Keller IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 24006 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 14, 2010 12:26 PM
Interesting on Voids (I have no earth. It is interesting how they say no earth can be the most practical people.Hmmmm----not sure about that lol ) No Fire - Interpretation Fri, November 26, 2010 - 4:49 PM The absence of an element usually means you over-compensate for the things symbolized by that element. People without earth signs are usually overly practical people, and many have great material success to compensate for the lack of earth. (Neither Donald Trump or Bill Gates have any earth signs in their charts.) People who lack air usually are very strong intellectually. People without fire are usually the feistiest people you're ever going to meet. As for lack of ambition--well, Aristotle Onassis didn't have any fire in his chart and he did pretty well. My chart is all fire-and-air, very little earth, and no water. Yet if anybody is going to go to pieces emotionally over something, it will be me.I do think that if you lack an element you should try to surround yourself with it, if possible. People lacking fire ought to have a fire place, or at least use lighted candles. My paternal grandparents lacked two elements in each of their charts. Grandpa lacked air and water, yet he was the smartest man I ever knew. Grandma lacked fire and water, yet she was extroverted, outgoing and bold. Elemental voids are not always what they seem. ------------------ The most beautiful things in the world can't be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. Helen Keller IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 24006 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 14, 2010 12:29 PM
Interesting Info about Voids Re: No Fire - Interpretation Sat, November 27, 2010 - 8:51 AM I think the absence of an element means you have no way to integrate it into your chart, and frequently "don't know when to quit" in matters related to the element. People lacking water (including myself) tend to cling to emotions whether they are appropriate or not. I'm the one who won't give up on a lost cause, even with the facts staring me in the face, because I'm emotionally attached either to the person or to the idea or to the situation. I've had many situations in my life, where, once over, I'd have people say, "I'm surprised you put up with it for as long as you did." I don't know whether that relates to other elemental voids: Earth sign voids may not know when to stop acquiring, or amassing; fire sign voids may spend their lives "willing to march into hell for a heavenly cause." Air sign voids may never feel they're smart enough, may put undue emphasis on intelligence, may overwhelm themselves with information. (Though, having a heavy concentration of air signs in my own chart, I do that too.) Elemental voids can't always be treated as absolutes because eventually your planets progress into the elements not represented in the birth chart. I spent 30 years with a progressed Cancer Sun, and as soon as that moved into Leo, I got a progressed Cancer Ascendant, which I will have 'til I die. So the elemental voids can become easier to assimilate ------------------ The most beautiful things in the world can't be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. Helen Keller IP: Logged |
rajin Knowflake Posts: 485 From: Registered: Jul 2009
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posted December 14, 2010 12:52 PM
Hey Ami, You are right in thinking that he probably has a fear of rejection. He tries to reject people first so he never gets rejected, you get what I mean right?It's like he is making mental notes of pros and cons of people. How should I make him come to me? I don't know what I may do that will make him reject me. what does our synastry say? Can we get together happily? Thanks hon for your insights, it does explain him to me more clearly.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 24006 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 14, 2010 01:50 PM
Dear Rajin I have to do the charts step by step way in order to feel it out. I am new is prolly why but first I want to look at HIS natal before you and his chart(synastry). How can I know how you both will be together if I can't get a feel for him ,particularly with his "running" That is my plan for it cuz he is running for SOME reason. I think he likes you a lot. ------------------ The most beautiful things in the world can't be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. Helen Keller IP: Logged |
rajin Knowflake Posts: 485 From: Registered: Jul 2009
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posted December 14, 2010 02:32 PM
Thanks Ami, Take your time, no hurry. I too would like to understand him better and any clues into his psyche would be great. Have a great day, girl.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 24006 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 14, 2010 02:39 PM
Well, an LL member with Saturn in the 12th would kind of give up BEFORE the relationship began . She kind of had the attitude,"It will all turn out badly ,anyway, so why try?" I think this self defeating thinking is classic of Saturn in the 12. I need to check it out again but I think I am right I think that IF you can figure him out more, you can figure a way to move closer to him and vice--versa  ------------------ The most beautiful things in the world can't be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. Helen Keller IP: Logged |
rajin Knowflake Posts: 485 From: Registered: Jul 2009
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posted December 14, 2010 03:02 PM
Thanks Ami, You do give me hope and that is a big thing for me. God bless you, honey.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 24006 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 14, 2010 03:05 PM
Thank you, Rajin You Blessed ME greatly with that and it was at JUST the right moment that I needed lifting up  ------------------ The most beautiful things in the world can't be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. Helen Keller IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 24006 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 15, 2010 07:20 AM
Love is beautiful, Rajin, and thank you for that little piece of love  ------------------ The most beautiful things in the world can't be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. Helen Keller IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 24006 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 15, 2010 07:41 AM
Dear Rajin I am just starting to look at the degrees and aspects in his chart so I can round my picture of him out. He has Pisces NN in the 10th house. Has he had a hard time with his career or a hard time fitting in to society in some way? The NN in Pisces means he needs to reach his warm fuzzy, deep feeling and his spiritual nature. This may be a clue to him,also. He is not comfortable in the Pisces world.His life goal is to become such. When you described his actions, I thought "Pisces". ------------------ The most beautiful things in the world can't be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. Helen Keller IP: Logged |
rajin Knowflake Posts: 485 From: Registered: Jul 2009
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posted December 15, 2010 07:41 AM
Hey Ami, Thanks for being my friend. Just a quick update on him, still communicates by text but is still not broaching the topic of our future. Said that he would talk about our realtionship but he has work issues and has surgery scheduled on him for next week. Says he wants to get these things out of the way. do you think he is just dragging things for the simple reason that he does not want to be in the realtionship? I am confused.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 24006 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 15, 2010 07:44 AM
That would make his SN in Virgo.He IS comfortable with service. He could DO things for you but not share his deepest feelings with you. This fact will help you ,I think,in knowing how to approach him. He has Sun trine ASC. He is a pleasing person and has strength of ego,too,in a nice ,not an aggressive "in your face" way. He has Jupiter conjunct ,too, as I said, which makes him a pleasing person to be around. Does he struggle with weight? I am just curious about the Jupiter conj Sun with this lol ------------------ The most beautiful things in the world can't be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. Helen Keller IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 24006 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 15, 2010 07:46 AM
I left out one of the most important things LOL He is a Libra sun. This is part of our answer.Libra is one of the worst signs for commitment. They will go back and forth a million times before they commit. They are scared to death of it,I think. ------------------ The most beautiful things in the world can't be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. Helen Keller IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 24006 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 15, 2010 07:57 AM
He has Uranus conjunct mercury. He must have a really quick,inventive mind ,prolly quirky ,too. Does he? He does not like to be boxed in,mentally.He likes to figure things out his own way. He has Pluto conj,Mercury( 7 deg). He has a powerful mind. So his mind is quirky and powerful. I bet he is a super interesting guy.
He has Venus in Virgo.My best friend(guy) has this. *I* do not like it in a guy, personally. They want too much "perfection" in a woman for moi. They are very sensitive to nuances in taste ,smell etc. To me, Venus in Virgo is too "prissy" for me but that is just me LOL So, he wants a woman to be "womanly" in her expression----a lady,refined,dignified,you could say, not coarse etc. ------------------ The most beautiful things in the world can't be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. Helen Keller IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 24006 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 15, 2010 07:58 AM
He has a packed 5th house. I am gonna come back and do that,later  ------------------ The most beautiful things in the world can't be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. Helen Keller IP: Logged |
rajin Knowflake Posts: 485 From: Registered: Jul 2009
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posted December 15, 2010 10:53 AM
He does not struggle with weight but has health issues all the time, He broke his ankle, had pneumonia, now has hernia. He is tall and athletic. Yea, he is like a stubborn mule, he moves at his own pace can't be forced to do anything. He has to figure out things in his head first and he takes his sweet time figuring out and that drives me mad.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 24006 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 15, 2010 11:08 AM
OK, Rajin I feel he is interested but cannot ,in ANY universe, be pushed. I feel you can go somewhere with him. For right now, I would try to understand him as much as you can. My doing his chart and then your synastry will help. Cease and desist ALL demands on him, though  ------------------ The most beautiful things in the world can't be seen or even touched. They must be felt with the heart. Helen Keller IP: Logged |
rajin Knowflake Posts: 485 From: Registered: Jul 2009
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posted December 15, 2010 01:13 PM
Does anything in my chart show my impatience? He is so laidback and I am so impatient. If I set my mind to do something I go after it , not subtle moves just all cylinders firing and this forced patience just does not sit well with me. Speaks volumes of how much i love him that i am willing to wait for him to make up his mind.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 24006 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 15, 2010 01:21 PM
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rajin Knowflake Posts: 485 From: Registered: Jul 2009
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posted December 15, 2010 03:18 PM
Thanks Ami, I try not to be impatient but sometimes feel that he is a blockhead not to see what I feel for him. I keep wondering why he is so out of touch with his feelings. He wants me, but does not want me. I will try not to push him, I want him forever. We have pretty strong NN aspects in our synastry, that may explain why we are not able to let go.IP: Logged |
Ami Anne Moderator Posts: 24006 From: Pluto/house next to NickiG Registered: Sep 2010
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posted December 15, 2010 04:02 PM
Dear Rajin The next thing I do is look at your chart,fast , and at the synastry cuz I know you are dying for that and I am bad to go so slowly  PS LOL--of course
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rajin Knowflake Posts: 485 From: Registered: Jul 2009
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posted December 15, 2010 04:30 PM
No, No, Mon Amie, It is a big favor that you do to me to look at the charts in such depth. I can't think of anything that you do as bad, you are the best. Do it as and when you can. Thanks again, I owe you.IP: Logged |