posted June 06, 2015 03:00 PM            

I agree that it's basic primal instinct for men (and women) to seek out suitable "mates" for procreation. As has been mentioned the wide hips/big breasts theory is an obvious one, although it's actually more about the waist/hips ratio that makes a woman more "desirable" to a lot of men. Similarly women instinctively seek out strong, often tall, protective men. I think with women it's more complicated though. Look at, for example, Christie Brinkley and Billy Joel. She towered above him and was drop dead gorgeous, whereas he was short, not particularly attractive but no doubt made up for it in other ways - talent, probably his personality. (I'm not going to say she was a gold digger because she was financially successful in her own right as a model). I think women are turned on by the mind as much as a man's physical appeal. I know I am. I've dated male models in my early-20's and a few guys who could easily model. But some of them had the personality/intelligence of a peanut. Ultimately looks are just the packaging, it's what's inside that keeps the fires burning!

One of my old boyfriends from years ago (we remain friends) told me recently that his current girlfriend of 7 years, as attractive as she is, is not really satisfying him on an emotional level, and freely admits that it was probably "shallow" of him to have picked her in the first place. But boys will be boys!

Women who are in their fertile years ebb and flow in their "horniness" depending on where they are in their monthly cycle. Mid-cycle that's usually when they're feeling their horniest and subconsciously send out those signals to men, so it's natural that men are going to find fertile women more irresistable than a post-menopausal woman. One the other hand, I hear a lot about older women who are having the time of their lives sexually because they no longer have to worry about getting pregnant.

You know what, it's swings and roundabouts really. But I do feel it's all down to the personality of a person. Guys hit on me still I think because I have a youthful spirit and certain joie de vivre, not because I'm supermodel thin (which I'm certainly not!) or have the perfect shape. But I also scare a lot of the superficial men away now because I don't bother trying to be sweet to them or pander to their ego. Actually as you get older you care less about what other people think of you, well I do.

posted June 06, 2015 05:04 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Odette,
He obviously meant the desire to bang a girl (physical attraction) is almost always what makes a guy interested in getting to know her. Physical attraction is the catalyst.And yes, a guy can want to bang a girl and care about her and respect her as a person at the same time contrary to what some women on this forum may think. Girls aren't much different. I have met girls through mutual friends that shared some of my interests and I probably could have had a friendship/connection with them but they shut me out and didn't want to get to know me on a deeper level? Why? Because they didn't find me attractive. But they were hanging on my good looking friend's (the guy all the girls in the room wanted to bang while completely ignoring the rest of us guys) every word. There's a myth that women don't value looks as much as men and usually develop attraction for a guy after getting to know him (which is basically how you describe demisexuality) but that's not been my experience at all. If that was the case why am I constantly shut out or ignored by women from the get go and never get a chance to even show my personality while my conventionally good looking friend has women eating out of his hands immediately? That's one of the reasons I doubt your sincerity when you say you are demisexual.

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posted June 07, 2015 02:59 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
BansheeQueen,
So you fully agree that its natural for women to prefer strong and tall men but reject the idea that its natural for men to like younger women and for women to like older men? You think society engineers this? Double Standard much?...That's how I know you are a feminist. Your philosophy is double standards are OK as long as they favor women. But the movement is totally about equality right?

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I just don't think it's really natural to prefer older men. Because I never have and not a lot of women really want an older guy unless he's like a sugar daddy or somthing. So yes, I think society engineers it. While men preferring younger women does have to do with looks and wanting an attractive mate, women preferring older men does not have anything to do with anything biological. Like there is so reason for women to want an older man because younger people are in general better at being like top sexual machine or whatever is the reason for primal attraction. Both men and women.

posted June 07, 2015 03:06 AM            

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Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz:
Blonde hair and blue eyes are subjective and speculation/opinion. Wide hips for giving birth and large breasts for infant feeding are straightforward facts.

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Not all men are like that and they aren't liars! You're just jaded dude.

But wide hips and big breasts has a cutoff point right? And men aren't just attracted to big breasts and hips if the rest of her is fat now are they? Nope. She still needs to be thin. And of course Im sure you'll tell me the biological reason for that. I think it's society. why do you think we even care about secondary sex characteristics, it's society. If we were purely animal then people would be having sex while in heat no matter what, as long as the girls got a vag and the guys got a dick. Because thats how animals so it, the less masculine or feminine animals would all still get laid if they were as densely populated as people were. The whole reason we find secondary sex characteristics sexual attractive is because of our mental capacity for abstraction and because of our human society.

posted June 07, 2015 03:07 AM            

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
I just don't think it's really natural to prefer older men. Because I never have and not a lot of women really want an older guy unless he's like a sugar daddy or somthing. So yes, I think society engineers it. While men preferring younger women does have to do with looks and wanting an attractive mate, women preferring older men does not have anything to do with anything biological. Like there is so reason for women to want an older man because younger people are in general better at being like top sexual machine or whatever is the reason for primal attraction. Both men and women.

So basically, saying women prefer older men because it's biological is a load of bull.

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posted June 07, 2015 03:09 AM            

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Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz:
Feminism and the male equivalent group aren't solving any problems, just creating more. When the whole mantra of your agenda is "our gender is superior" it defeats the whole purpose of equality. You can't fight fire with fire.

All we have is nature and the truth.

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posted June 07, 2015 03:13 AM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
It's probably because you come off as angry and obsessed with all this and it's seeping into your interactions with women.. I'm just taking a wild guess here

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Aquaguy, women are put off by you because of your colored minded attitude towards women and... Well.... Hate towards women. Yeah. You hate women. Seriously, can you even describe your ideal woman? And don't let your political belts about feminism bleed into it and if it does, you aren't looking for. Woman you're looking for someone that embodies the opposite of what you believe is wrong about society. Tall order.

posted June 07, 2015 04:09 AM            

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Originally posted by Selenite:
It's probably because you come off as angry and obsessed with all this and it's seeping into your interactions with women.. I'm just taking a wild guess here

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posted June 07, 2015 04:22 AM            

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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
And MGTOW's aren't hypocrites? They go on and on about child custody laws and how they favour women, how marriage these days is too much of a risk, how falling in love is too much of a gamble, and if a man gets left by his wife you fully sympathize with him. No matter WHAT his motives were for choosing the wife (i.e. he wanted a trophy).

But if a woman falls in love with a man and he turns out after a few or several years to be a cheater or abusive and CAUSES her to have to leave him, it's, "Oh well, you CHOSE him so I don't have any sympathy for you. You should've known better."
I suppose MGTOW/MRA hypocrites think love is only a gamble for the man and women are just expected to be psychic or responsible for the man in the relationship's behaviour.

Newsflash: Love is a risk for EVERYONE and we ALL need to cognizant of the right reasons for choosing our partners beyond blind attraction to height, wealth, waistlines, youth, etc.

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posted June 07, 2015 08:00 AM            

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
I just don't think it's really natural to prefer older men. Because I never have and not a lot of women really want an older guy unless he's like a sugar daddy or somthing. So yes, I think society engineers it. While men preferring younger women does have to do with looks and wanting an attractive mate, women preferring older men does not have anything to do with anything biological. Like there is so reason for women to want an older man because younger people are in general better at being like top sexual machine or whatever is the reason for primal attraction. Both men and women.

So basically, saying women prefer older men because it's biological is a load of bull.

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Hmmm. I disagree actually. I had a boyfriend who was 30 when I was 22 and another who was 41 when I was 30 (plus a few others). I never looked at them and thought about the age difference and they were certainly biologically as desireable as any younger man I went out with. In both cases they were in the music biz and were young at heart, very talented, and funny.

However, I'm 50 now and couldn't date someone a lot older than me, say 60 plus, unless they fulfilled certain conditions: were physically healthy of mind and body, solvent, were not stuck in their ways and I was physically attracted to them. I'm not really even into men my own age (with the odd exception), sorry to say.

But between the 20-50 age range, I'd say a lot of women like men considerably older than themselves if they tick all the right boxes.

posted June 07, 2015 08:26 AM            

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Actually I'm very nice and friendly with almost everyone I meet in real life and I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. So are women psychic? Because that's what alot of women keep implying. Funny thing is these same women contradict themselves when I bring up the jerks and bad boys they seem to love. They say " I didn't like his jerky behavior. I didn't know he was a jerk! he seemed so nice in the beginning!" See that? Women admit they don't sense the a**hole under the nice exterior of the guys they date. So how is it that they fall for jerks every single time and never learn their lesson but supposedly they can sense my cynicism towards female nature? Are women psychic or not? If they can't sense the ******* 's nature under the superficially nice exterior they can't sense my cynicism. You can't have it both ways.... Unless you want to admit that women are also picking up on the jerks true nature but choose to ignore their intuition and date them anyways. If that was the case it would prove that women are incredibly biased in all the wrong ways. No matter how you choose to spin this it would not reflect well upon women. What do I think? I don't believe any of this is true. I think all the people that say I'm single because of my attitude are just grasping at straws and failing at it.

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Your posts are sexist. After reading SP history, they have been posted here for several years. It goes beyond avoiding certain topics or threads, they are everywhere, in all gender related threads and not only.

Sexism is extremism, fascism, it's the same as listening to Hitler giving a speech over and over again. Sexism is a form of harassment.

You're constantly telling an entire gender, half of the globe's population, that there's something wrong with them.

It is you who needs to change your input here, and not the others learning to swallow it.

Is it because you believe public forums are for venting and filled with people who can't defend themselves?

Why don't you compile your posts and give a public speech with them, see what happens?

The problem is that you seem like a nice and very smart guy, with lots of interesting ideas to share; sexism doesn't suit you. And being a smart guy, you know you can't tell the world, daily, for years, that there's something wrong with them.

posted June 07, 2015 09:55 AM            

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
Not all men are like that and they aren't liars! You're just jaded dude.

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I'm not just talking about men, it goes both ways. If you don't think I'm right, then why don't you go flirt with an ugly old man?

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
But wide hips and big breasts has a cutoff point right? And men aren't just attracted to big breasts and hips if the rest of her is fat now are they? Nope. She still needs to be thin. And of course Im sure you'll tell me the biological reason for that. I think it's society. why do you think we even care about secondary sex characteristics, it's society. If we were purely animal then people would be having sex while in heat no matter what, as long as the girls got a vag and the guys got a dick. Because thats how animals so it, the less masculine or feminine animals would all still get laid if they were as densely populated as people were. The whole reason we find secondary sex characteristics sexual attractive is because of our mental capacity for abstraction and because of our human society.

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Well yea, generally, people who are fit are healthier and less likely to have a heart attack. Or die from any other disease attributed to being fat. Animal instinct wants a partner who is gonna survive. And people are having sex a lot and all the time, why do you think the world is overpopulated?

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
So quit trying to make scientific reason for liking what you like. It doesn't really matter, you are proving anything.

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Actually, I couldn't care less about a woman's breast size. Sure, some luscious ******* are pretty hot. But I'm more of an ass man. The fact that wide hips make child birth easier is not even debatable. Take a look at statistics in the hospital. The majority of women who underwent a C-section had narrow hips and couldn't pass the infant's head through. It's not even science really, it's common sense. Bigger breasts carry more lactiferous ducts that are responsible for producing milk, ensuring baby is fed.

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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
Stop trying to fit nature into your sexist agenda. Science isn't truth, it's a speculation assumed to have enough evidence to support it. And feminism isn't about cutting off men's balls, it's about trying to show that women arent simply baby machines/**** dolls.

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Name one thing I've said that is sexist.

And saying that science isn't truth is a bold statement. Look all around you. Look at all the technology you're using and how comfortable your life is. Look at today's life expectancies compared to 100 years ago. Look at the amazing survival stories of sick children and breakthroughs that weren't possible 20 years ago. Science isn't real? The world around you says otherwise.

And yes, women aren't just here to be solely baby machines and sex dolls. They can have lives and careers just like any other guy, blah blah blah. But simply, women can give birth and men can't, right? Your mom is a woman? Also, women can't give birth without a man knocking her up. So the sex is necessary. Just thought I had to spell that out since you're all anti-science and all.

posted June 07, 2015 10:45 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Jo B,
I see what you are saying but you didn't understand the point I'm trying to make. My point is it's easy to look at a guy like me and say "oh, you are bitter and that's why women don't like you". T

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Well I certainly never said that.

When it comes to dating/romance unfortunately life can suck. I've often got the guy I wanted but I just as often haven't. You just have to shrug it off. Possibly you come across as not interested because you seem to have a fairly cool, maybe even intellectual approach? I dunno, I've never met you. Have you ever thought it that way though? Women need signals that a guy is interested.

There is someone for everyone.

posted June 07, 2015 12:19 PM            

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Originally posted by Jo B:
Well I certainly never said that.

When it comes to dating/romance unfortunately life can suck. I've often got the guy I wanted but I just as often haven't. You just have to shrug it off. Possibly you come across as not interested because you seem to have a fairly cool, maybe even intellectual approach? I dunno, I've never met you. Have you ever thought it that way though? Women need signals that a guy is interested.

There is someone for everyone.

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posted June 07, 2015 10:31 PM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Jo B,
Oh! You got a kick out of Chad Thundercock? That is pretty funny isn't it? Just to let you know Chad Thundercock is something you will see if you go into the manosphere. Chad Thundercock is a term some guys use to describe the embodiment of the type of guys young women find attractive. The Chad Thundercocks of the world can usually be found in college fraternities and are tall, muscular,conventionally handsome, and dress in expensive clothes and drive nice cars paid for by their parents. Personality wise they are extremely arrogant to the point of narcissism and are loud and extroverted. These guys also enjoy tons of popularity/high social status. Basically they are the epitome of what modern women see as the alpha male. That is Chad Thundercock in a nutshell.

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posted June 07, 2015 10:35 PM            

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Originally posted by Jo B:
Hmmm. I disagree actually. I had a boyfriend who was 30 when I was 22 and another who was 41 when I was 30 (plus a few others). I never looked at them and thought about the age difference and they were certainly biologically as desireable as any younger man I went out with. In both cases they were in the music biz and were young at heart, very talented, and funny.

However, I'm 50 now and couldn't date someone a lot older than me, say 60 plus, unless they fulfilled certain conditions: were physically healthy of mind and body, solvent, were not stuck in their ways and I was physically attracted to them. I'm not really even into men my own age (with the odd exception), sorry to say.

But between the 20-50 age range, I'd say a lot of women like men considerably older than themselves if they tick all the right boxes.

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posted June 07, 2015 10:41 PM            

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Originally posted by CosmiqPhuz:
Name one thing I've said that is sexist.

And saying that science isn't truth is a bold statement. Look all around you. Look at all the technology you're using and how comfortable your life is. Look at today's life expectancies compared to 100 years ago. Look at the amazing survival stories of sick children and breakthroughs that weren't possible 20 years ago. Science isn't real? The world around you says otherwise.

And yes, women aren't just here to be solely baby machines and sex dolls. They can have lives and careers just like any other guy, blah blah blah. But simply, women can give birth and men can't, right? Your mom is a woman? Also, women can't give birth without a man knocking her up. So the sex is necessary. Just thought I had to spell that out since you're all anti-science and all.

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posted June 07, 2015 10:45 PM            

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Bigger breasts carry more lactiferous ducts that are responsible for producing milk, ensuring baby is fed.

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