posted June 16, 2015 07:23 AM            

Unbelievable.

a) I don't, nor have I ever stood up for everything AG says. I don't think there is one other person on LL who would come up with something like this. I have absolutely no idea whatsoever where you got this from.

b) I have honest to God not seen AG randomly attack people, unless he was already attacked and patronised by them.
I simply have not. You're welcome to link to any threads where you were attacked.

c) I'm not at all afraid of AG. Why in the world would I be afraid of AG? What a peculiar thing to say.
I'm not "babying". I'm behaving the way I would towards anyone in similar circumstances (with a similar life story) - male or female. Gender is irrelevant to me.

d) I'm absolutely not harsher on AC than AG. AG is guilty himself of replying in a rude manner. And they both continued hurling insults at each other.
I asked both of them to please stop.
All I said is that I haven't seen AG behave this way, unprovoked.

posted June 16, 2015 07:26 AM            

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Originally posted by teasel:
This, and "go take a midol" are disrespectful, and not just to the woman you're trying to insult.

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It is disrespectful! Indeed!

And so were many things AC said to him beforehand.

posted June 16, 2015 07:29 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
So let me get this straight.....
I give my honest unfiltered opinions on trends I'm seeing in women's behavior as far as dating goes and I'm a hateful bigot? Yet people like you are being nice , trying to help,and wish me the best when you repeatedly attack my character for just speaking my mind? Now, notice how I didn't respond to your nasty insults with anger. But I'm the angry and hateful one.

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Always the victim huh ag?

Did you notice how you brought my name up in this thread for no reason, trying to trash me, and yet i ignored you?
http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/231769-4.html

Who's the drama queen now? Notice how I didnt respond to all that? That severe attack of character....

Who's the "hateful bigot" now? Get off your high horse. I found it extremely odd that you would write such hateful words thinking I'd never see them. Aren't you doing exactly what you accuse people here of doing? I found it extremely odd that you wrote such nasty things about me when you don't even know me. I know you thought since i hadn't posted here in 5 months i probably wouldn't see it, but i did.

Why all the hate? Especaily towards someone who has never attacked you in that way before?

I'm glad i ran across that thread. I'm sorry you feel so strongly about me - someone you know nothing about. I can't take "followers" seriously and that's all you seem to be right now.

"Repeatedly attack your character"... Dude. I haven't posted here in 5 months. That's why i was so surprised that when i did - and posted to some friends here, i saw you come up and try to attack me so badly.

Do you even know me?

Like, wtf?

posted June 16, 2015 07:35 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:

I'm not really sure where all of this came from T. And I'm not young. I'm 29.
Please try not to insult or attack my character in future posts - as I don't think I've ever done this towards you.
If you disagree with me, that's cool. No worries.
But the tone of your post is pretty darn aggressive and unnecessary!

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Well, i guess you haven't been paying attention.

You can read the link above. I don't come here to mess with people. But the more i think about what was posted there, the more i think something needs to be said.

See, because if i don't then there's people like you who accuse me of being the instigator.

When that is not the case.

posted June 16, 2015 07:48 AM            

I'm surprised by the way you replied to me. Were you previously annoyed with me over something else?
Or am I misinterpreting your posts to be angrier than they actually are?

posted June 16, 2015 08:00 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
Banshee - I've expressed many of the same views to AG that many posters here have expressed regarding women, relationships, sex, feminism, sexism and so on.
Yet... He has not personally attacked me, offended me or made me feel hated for simply disagreeing with him.
He understands my pov and he understands I don't agree with his views - but he doesn't take this personally. He's still nice and friendly towards me.
The only times I've seen him react in a rude or hateful manner - were times when someone else already called him names or instigated.

You can disagree with someone, without instigating them and making things personal. AG's perspective on women, romance and life - can be debated here without personal attacks on AG.

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The bottom line is, a lot of women here (me included) are offended by his misogyny. We take it personally and see it as instigation.

Honestly if he was speaking of race instead of gender he would have been banned for his comments.

posted June 16, 2015 08:06 AM            

There's far more single men in this country than single women. And single women still b*tch about not being able to find a man. So here in the U.S you have tons of single thirsty men that will jump on any woman they can get and this gives the women huge egos. Even the unattractive ones think they are supermodels.

Women only see the alpha males.

Most women views on men are flawed. Why? Because they only see the top tier men.

The Chad Thundercocks of the world can usually be found in college fraternities and are tall, muscular,conventionally handsome, and dress in expensive clothes and drive nice cars paid for by their parents. Personality wise they are extremely arrogant to the point of narcissism and are loud and extroverted. These guys also enjoy tons of popularity/high social status. Basically they are the epitome of what modern women see as the alpha male.

The average guy will just throw himself at any woman here because he is desperate. It's kind of like someone who is starving being willing to eat food out of the garbage can, that's how bad it is here.

And that's why women here always come into discussions about prostitution with emotional arguments against it like yours. They don't want American men to have that option because they would lose some of their power and wouldn't have as many thirsty male orbiters worshipping the ground they walk on in the hopes that they might get laid.

I get positive reactions from women because they like my accent. Like I said women are obsessed with that kind of crap because its a novelty to them.

I can't even go to a store or order food at a restaurant without having women commenting on my accent. Women are obsessed with that sh*t.

And yes women in the U.S are frigid unless the guy is top tier in terms of looks,money,status,or provides novelty. If a guy fits one of those categories women become easy. The reason for the first 3 are obvious but the novelty thing is worth explaining. You see women here have special snowflake syndrome. They all believe that they are special and terribly interesting and are too good for the average local guy that lives an average lifestyle even if the woman is average in every since of the word herself. So that's where the appeal for the guy with the different accent come in. Such guys have built-in value because they are different and provide novelty. Thus the special snowflake women feel such men are worthy partners. Just think about it.... If a woman in the U.S dates guy with a different accent she'll stand out and get noticed.

Women are very vain creatures and thrive off attention. I mean we are talking about a nation of women that actively compete with each other to get the most Facebook likes. lol

The majority of the women always gravitate towards a small minority of guys and ignore the rest and the rest of the guys are talking amongst themselves or clamoring for the attention of the remaining girls. Female hypergamy is very real.

There's a myth that women don't value looks as much as men and usually develop attraction for a guy after getting to know him (which is basically how you describe demisexuality) but that's not been my experience at all.

See this just confirms what I already knew. Women don't listen.

Guys are more socially forgiving than women

How do you explain the decent average guys that are being rejected by average women? Who are too busy banging the best looking guys and bad boys in hopes that they will commit to them instead of one of the other women in their harem. Right... That doesn't happen does it?

Do you think I'm going to be confident when women ignore me at best and are rude and hateful towards me at worst? Because this is exactly what happens when I try to talk to women 99% of the time. But it's my fault right?

At this point you are just being an argumenative (expletive). Go take a midol or something.

I don't really have positive experiences with women to speak of. The only truly positive relationship I had with a woman was my grandma and she died back in 2004.

Why do you keep putting words in my mouth? I never said I couldn't feel empathy for any woman. Just women I don't like

posted June 16, 2015 08:07 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:

I'm surprised by the way you replied to me. Were you previously annoyed with me over something else?
Or am I misinterpreting your posts to be angrier than they actually are?

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No, not angry. Just basically slightly annoyed with your ass-k*ssing of ag over the past few years. Maybe not even annoyed - i just don't get it. You seem to baby him.

It's really weird to me. I feel like you would speak your mind to anyone else, but don't do it with him. Even when he makes a rude reply back to a comment of yours.....

Hey that's your thing i guess. It just doesn't make sense to me. You take it really easy on him...

posted June 16, 2015 08:16 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
No,
I've explained this over and over. I do not disagree with that statement. I have an issue with how statements like that contradict what women on this forum keep telling me. When I bring up how women frequently choose jerks it's "he tricked me! He seemed so nice in the beginning!" But when it comes to me women are rejecting me because I'm bitter towards women and they sense it. You can't have it both ways.... That's what I have been saying for years. Women are either psychic or they aren't. If they can't sense a jerks true nature under his friendly exterior they cannot detect my bitter/cynicism under my friendly exterior either. Saying "women are rejecting you because you are bitter" is just a cop out that makes as much sense as me telling a woman that is angry about being cheated on that her man cheated on her because she is bitter.

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The larger issue is, what's the point of having a sweet facade and bitterness underneath? Why not aim for consistency throughout yourself?

It's NOT hard to detect your bitterness. In fact, when women get to know you and see your lack of female friends on FB, that will be a red alarm. When you start projecting sarcasm and mockery on them, instead of giving them the benefit of the doubt, when they are actually trying to be nice, they will start to look for reasons why you are doing that.

One doesn't have to be psychic to see what you are "hiding."

posted June 16, 2015 08:18 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Faith,
Let me ask you something and answer honestly. If I was a woman and said the same things about men that I say about women would you get all worked up and call it misandry? If you were being honest you would say no. So why is it hateful and sexist to comment on women? It's a double standard.

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I WOULD!!!!

posted June 16, 2015 08:19 AM            

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Originally posted by T:
No, not angry. Just basically slightly annoyed with your ass-k*ssing of ag over the past few years. Maybe not even annoyed - i just don't get it. You seem to baby him.

It's really weird to me. I feel like you would speak your mind to anyone else, but don't do it with him. Even when he makes a rude reply back to a comment of yours.....

Hey that's your thing i guess. It just doesn't make sense to me. You take it really easy on him...

He'd probably do better with some more truthful advice.

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posted June 16, 2015 08:23 AM            

You know I actually love men?

I have been raped, groped, punched, molested...I have had the full gamut of bad experiences with men....

But did you know, I love men?

It never occurred to me to be a man-hater and it never will.

What's the point of harboring hate when love and peace feel so much better?

posted June 16, 2015 08:29 AM            

Going to walk to the corner donut shop and get a breakfast sandwich and coffee. It's one of the best places to get breakfast in town and it's a hop, skip and a jump away from my apartment. Lucky me. Will try to reply again later.

posted June 16, 2015 09:02 AM            

When I was young, on a few occasions, I kissed my girl friends. We were just pretending a boy/girl situation and had no boys on hand...but over time those memories accumulated some shame. I was raised a strict Catholic and being gay was Wrong.

Even though I had gay friends for a while, I was still so uncomfortable with myself that I was "ripe" for conversion to a religious ideology that shamed gays, because I was ashamed of the gay within myself. And I took it one step further and was willing to cut off half the population, the gay-loving liberals, from my sympathies (more or less...you would have to have known me at the time, to understand. I would always be polite to people even though I harbored divisive ideologies.)

I also remember falling hook, line, and sinker for the war rhetoric after 9-11. I think it's because I was already looking at the world through "us versus them" glasses. I was comfortable with good guys versus bad guys, moral versus immoral, deserving versus undeserving. It was very dichotomous thinking and rather stupid, actually.

It would take too long to explain how I snapped out of it, came to deeply regret my previous opinions, throw out my old journals, and let myself accept pretty much everyone as they are.

The point is, I do think that whenever anyone is bigoted or investing a lot of energy in "us versus them" politics, what they are really dealing with is "me versus me."

Aquaguy, in your case, not to play doctor or get too into this, you might find it healing to consider how YOU embody these traits you dislike in women...how *you* are the finicky one, the one who is holding out for the "whole package," how you really don't want to settle. Maybe you are upset with yourself because you feel like you are not up to your own standards, but you project that snobbery on women. You seem to reject yourself before they do.

posted June 16, 2015 09:08 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
Faith,
I don't buy it.

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Of course not. Much safer to trust your own twisted assumptions than let someone else be who they are.

Much safer to spread gossip than link to the thread you are talking about and let me examine and have my fair say.

I've rolled my eyes about "men!" before, because gender differences are real, and I get frustrated with some typical male behaviors, but there is no bitterness, hate, or need to consult a man-hating forum 20 times a day to consort with other man-haters.

posted June 16, 2015 09:12 AM            

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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
If there's one positive thing that has come out of all of these heated discussions over the years it's the fact that it's made me re-think my political views. I have always identified as a liberal democrat but now i'm becoming more and more conservative in my views. Why you ask? Because I'm starting to see what conservatives are talking about when they criticize liberals. Liberals hate free speech! This forum has helped me open my eyes to that fact. Liberals want to silence anyone who has opposing views and i'm very much a believer in free speech so I cant be onboard with liberals anymore.

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Take this with a sense of humor, I'm not calling you an a$$hole.

posted June 16, 2015 09:30 AM            

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Originally posted by Odette:
It is disrespectful! Indeed!

And so were many things AC said to him beforehand.

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My sister said things like that to me, when she was trying to upset me. The addition of, "take a hormone pill" due to my age, was interesting considering she's only twenty months younger.

posted June 16, 2015 09:38 AM            

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Originally posted by T:
Okay now i'm annoyed. I just lost a long post. lol I think it was a cut out in my wifi connection.

Going to walk to the corner donut shop and get a breakfast sandwich and coffee. It's one of the best places to get breakfast in town and it's a hop, skip and a jump away from my apartment. Lucky me. Will try to reply again later.

btw. good morning Faith.

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