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Topic: Question for the 20-something ladies out there?
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aquaguy91
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From: Wankety Wankerson
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posted June 13, 2015 03:55 PM
  
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Originally posted by bansheequeen:
Not really. Most western women I think are bombarded since childhood they need to have small bodies. Of course it doesn't really seem like men care ..
The problem is you think thin = no curves. Thin women have curves too. Curvy is a word that has been hijacked by overweight women to make themselves feel superior to women that are thin and attractive. It's not about fat vs thin.. It's about women having a pre-disposition to store fat in certain areas (Boobs,hips,and butts). Skinny women also have the same pre-disposition. They have the curvy shape too, usually, but just less fat. Fat women obviously have more "curves" but that's only because they have more fat and its going to those areas mentioned earlier.
Guys,on the other hand, tend to store all of their fat in their bellies. Most fat guys don't have curves unless they get exceptionally fat.
So yes, thin girls typically have curves and are more conventionally attractive than fat women that have more prominent curves as a result of more body fat in those areas. There's a girl that works at a restaurant I frequent and she is thin,very attractive, and yes has nice hips,a nice butt,and Boobs. I asked her what her secret was and she told me she is gluten intolerant and is on a special organic diet.
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aquaguy91
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From: Wankety Wankerson
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posted June 13, 2015 04:15 PM
Jo B,
What's interesting is I'm over 190 cm tall and have "the golden ratio" according to some bodybuilding material I've read. That means I have very wide shoulders/upper body and narrow hips. Face wise, i'm no Brad Pitt but I'm not Quasi Modo either. And I can't get women to give me the time of day. lolIP: Logged |
hannaramaa
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posted June 13, 2015 05:16 PM
This thread is REALLY entertaining, and especially this:[quote=bansheequeen]We're not like crafting some kind of weird power agenda in our heads. if you don't like a guy, bye bye guy. Simple.[/quote] LOL! IP: Logged |
mercuranian
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posted June 13, 2015 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by hannaramaa:
This thread is REALLY entertaining, and especially this:[quote=bansheequeen][b]We're not like crafting some kind of weird power agenda in our heads. if you don't like a guy, bye bye guy. Simple.
LOL![/B][/QUOTE] yes. this. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted June 13, 2015 08:15 PM
AG - Are you fit and muscly?
The people you often mention, on dating sites and so on... who are very focused on appearance - are on the lookout for a 6-pack (not just *height* or *golden ratio* or *a pretty face*)IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: Wankety Wankerson
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posted June 13, 2015 09:29 PM
I'm in pretty good shape now but no I don't have a six pack. But the women on dating sites aint exactly perfect either and most of them have kids already.Plus women, as a general rule, look alot better in their pictures than they do in real life. It's the opposite with me. I look alot beter in real life than I do in pictures. But most of the women on dating sites haven't been able to find that out.  what a shameIP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted June 13, 2015 09:42 PM
Odette,
I'm glad you brought up the 6 pack thing tho. Why? Because 90% of the women on dating sites say they don't respond to guys with shirtless pics. Guess what? You pretty much have to be shirtless to show off a 6 pack. So women are looking for guys they are outright claiming to reject? How much sense does that make?  IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted June 13, 2015 11:46 PM
Well... Ok...
This is just my honest advice to you AG, because I'm being realistic.If you *want* a lot of female attention, you want to be popular with a variety of women - and you want things to be easier for you in the dating scene.... the easiest (and quickest) way to make that happen, is to work out. You're young. You're healthy. You're tall.
If you work out - I am positive in a few months, you'll be in perfect shape and you'll get a whole lot of attention.
Good fashion sense would likewise be a plus! Average looking people (who are not necessarily "in shape") DO date and have relationships *all* the time... Because, actually - a great majority of people are average looking - and have average fitness levels.
The fact that you think this doesn't happen... or that most hetero women "date up" so to speak, while the poor little average-looking Joes can't get a date - is a figment of your imagination imo. Also - Whether or not people are attracted to particular traits due to biology or conditioning is always up for debate! But never mind all that ^! I don't want to debate that, because I think it's important for you to think less on these issues - and actually take *action* to improve your life. The point is... if you really want to have a crowd of possibilities at your feet - and *several* women expressing interest - you do have to look after your physical body and be in the best health and best shape possible! This is just the reality of the situation, since a great majority of people are sexual (as opposed to asexual) so they would prefer a partner who was physically attractive. ^ That's not to say that 90% of these people don't eventually settle for partners who are not model material anyway (as I was saying earlier).
However, we are not talking about specific people who may like your personality and eventually desire a relationship with you.
Waiting for this to come along ^ would require more patience and optimism on your part  What would be easier for you (knowing you!) is to cast a wide net and catch multiple hetero women - so that you can later make your choice (for an LTR) based on their personality.
Think: "The Bachelor"- type setup. This just seems to me like the most straightfoward solution to your emotional problems ^
It would also improve your well being and self-esteem to work out more (and look your absolute best!). So either way - it's a good thing! IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted June 14, 2015 12:07 AM
Odette,
I do work out. And I never said the average guy doesn't ever have any luck.I have said the average guy has very limited options and usually have to settle to get any action. You can say I'm imagining things if you want but I know what I see. I have been to enough parties and stuff to know how it works. The majority of the women always gravitate towards a small minority of guys and ignore the rest and the rest of the guys are talking amongst themselves or clamoring for the attention of the remaining girls. Female hypergamy is very real. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: Wankety Wankerson
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posted June 14, 2015 12:07 AM
Odette,
I do work out. And I never said the average guy doesn't ever have any luck.I have said the average guy has very limited options and usually have to settle to get any action. You can say I'm imagining things if you want but I know what I see. I have been to enough parties and stuff to know how it works. The majority of the women always gravitate towards a small minority of guys and ignore the rest and the rest of the guys are talking amongst themselves or clamoring for the attention of the remaining girls. Female hypergamy is very real. IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted June 14, 2015 12:13 AM
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Because 90% of the women on dating sites say they don't respond to guys with shirtless pics. Guess what? You pretty much have to be shirtless to show off a 6 pack.
^^ I have a solution for this too.
Get an interesting/artistic and meaningful tattoo!
That way you’ll have a reason to pose naked to show off your tat (and talk about the meaning behind it).
So you won’t seem attention seeking… “Lookit me and my hot 6 pack” lol IP: Logged |
Odette
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posted June 14, 2015 12:20 AM
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I have said the average guy has very limited options and usually have to settle to get any action
Ok, let's say I agree with you. Either way, to increase your options then - you would need to become better than average.
Luckily - you are 1'90 and young (so your metabolism should be fine) - so you are in a perfect position (and perfect time in your life) to transform into a very physically attractive version of yourself. IP: Logged |
MoonWitch
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From: The Beach
Registered: Apr 2009
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posted June 14, 2015 12:21 AM
The more I read how women are in aqua guy's posts, the more I realize I must not be a woman. Or perhaps I'm an alien which I suppose isn't so surprising. I mean, I have a vagina, but his insistence about how women are, what they think, how they feel and what they look for in men is so foreign to me. I've really tried to understand it from an open frame of mind, honestly. I've had horrible experiences with men in the past but I certainly don't think all men are that way. There are wonderful men out there and wonderful women. There are horrible men and horrible women. It's just.... People are flawed. I suppose it all makes me sad. I want people to be happy. IP: Logged |
bansheequeen
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From: Beachville, USA
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posted June 14, 2015 12:45 AM
Oh my god. So much. Lol.Aqua guy, it really just sounds like yo me that you HATE women for being individuals. If they would all do what you want, life would be perfect, but these damn rascally women had to have minds of their own, and have their own wants and needs. You don't value women At all,you think women Re trash, and you are getting mad at women for not valuing men either. If a man treats a women like he values her and cherishes her, she isnt gonna bathe in his blood because she is a special snowflake, she's gonna appreciate it and return his love. And yeah, everyone actually is a special snowflake, and every single person is right in thinking so, and everyone should feel that way. No one should feel like they are average, the same as anyone else, just another loser. I never said thin means no curves. I'm just saying larger women have bigger goods, since you guys were talki about how bigger goods are superior. Also.... Simply having broad shoulders and small hips doesn't make a guy attractive.. Or masculine. maybe women aren't psychos that are assessing a mans masculinity with body ratios. I mean, I've never met a woman that talked about a man like this like you guys are talking about a woman's ratios and biology and whatnot lol. Yeah. Just work out, no really. Any average looking guy can be attractive to a larger number of women if he just works out. I know you hate everything that comes out of my typing hands. I'm sure you have the entire alphabet at this point because I used it to write my wicked woman thoughts... But seriously, stop hating the world, stop thinking you're so ****** in his world, because you actually have it better than most people. You were born in the western world, you're not starving, you didn't grow up as a child soldier, you weren't sold into sex slavery. And you're tall, and seriously.... If you just work out, all those women that ignored you will be all over you. Then you can step over their bodies while you search for your golden ratio. So. You win in the end. IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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posted June 14, 2015 01:00 AM
See this just confirms what I already knew. Women don't listen. Lol you keep telling me I should work out and I already said I do.IP: Logged |
bansheequeen
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posted June 14, 2015 01:16 AM
Lemme rephrase. Get a crazy muscular body. Do more than maintenance working out.IP: Logged |
mercuranian
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posted June 14, 2015 01:19 AM
 i see it's become another one of "those" threads... IP: Logged |
Selenite
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Registered: Aug 2013
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posted June 14, 2015 01:30 AM
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Originally posted by MoonWitch:
The more I read how women are in aqua guy's posts, the more I realize I must not be a woman. Or perhaps I'm an alien which I suppose isn't so surprising. I mean, I have a vagina, but his insistence about how women are, what they think, how they feel and what they look for in men is so foreign to me. I've really tried to understand it from an open frame of mind, honestly. I've had horrible experiences with men in the past but I certainly don't think all men are that way. There are wonderful men out there and wonderful women. There are horrible men and horrible women. It's just.... People are flawed. I suppose it all makes me sad. I want people to be happy.
Yes Same. (My friend jokingly informed me that I was a Lyran, and I'm just gonne go with that.) These conversations are always so interesting. Confusing, but interesting.
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MoonWitch
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posted June 14, 2015 01:54 AM
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Originally posted by Selenite:
Yes Same. (My friend jokingly informed me that I was a Lyran, and I'm just gonne go with that.) These conversations are always so interesting. Confusing, but interesting.
Ahhhh yes they are interesting! I feel like I am watching an ant farm and tapping on the glass trying to tell them they can get out if they want but they keep going round and round just concentrating on their own little tunnels as if there isn't an enormous Universe just waiting to be discovered millimeters away. IP: Logged |
Selenite
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posted June 14, 2015 03:14 AM
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Originally posted by MoonWitch:
Ahhhh yes they are interesting! I feel like I am watching an ant farm and tapping on the glass trying to tell them they can get out if they want but they keep going round and round just concentrating on their own little tunnels as if there isn't an enormous Universe just waiting to be discovered millimeters away.
I feel like I have a bunch of opinions that I would like to articulate, but I am trapped in my own tunnel, in general, and unable to fully participate. As a 20-something lady, all of my relationships and flings have been with people from all walks (and not necessarily because of quantity..  ).
Each of those people came from out of the blue and had a pretty significant impact on my life. They were all individuals, and I believe we met in order to learn something from each other. I didn't chose anyone based on a formula, no matter which way you look at it - they just happened. I don't think love can be rationalized, calculated, or controlled in any way in real life. I have been there trying to define it and conquer it, and it never (not once!) worked out for me until I let go and just lived. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted June 14, 2015 07:31 AM
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Originally posted by Jo B:
I skimmed a lot of these posts, sorry.I just think we're predisposed to find attractive a certain type or have certain criteria, usually to complement our own bodies (not even getting on to the personality issue here). Eg, I am attracted to men with broad shoulders. If a man has narrow shoulders I usually dismiss them as a prospective long-term mate. That might sound shallow but it is what it is. I'm quite broad-shouldered myself (for a gal) and I don't really want to date a wimpy looking guy because it would make me feel too masculine or dominant. Similarly I like men taller than me (I'm 175cm). I'm sure men have similar attractances. The thing about being attracted to women with large hips to waist ratio (and possibly bust to waist) is obvious. Child-bearing hips, a relatively narrow waist which suggests she's not likely to suffer from heart disease or other illnesses later in life (ie, she's fit), and the breasts from the fact that that is what makes us women different from men. Lots of men like to play with them too, or maybe it goes down deeper subconsciously and it's the maternal thing that they are attracted to. I don't know. Some men prefer small breasts on women. Everyone is different. Some men love tall women, others prefer shorter ones because it makes them feel more masculine. You can't help what you like, and you can't criticise a whole gender for THEIR likes either. It's human nature.
While I don't fully agree with everything stated here, I do think that sometimes it's not even subconscious, sometimes it is very conscious. People want genetic balance for ther offspring and I think it even carries over for childfree people like me. For instance, I was born with a pretty ugly jawline, it's way too broad for a woman, and probably as a result I've always been more attracted to men with long, oval faces than to men with square jaws. Again it's that promise of genetic balance. My hefty friend I described earlier justified his preference for waifs to me by saying his family has too many fat genes and the only way his kids have a shot is if he marries a skinny woman.
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Aquacheeka
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posted June 14, 2015 07:41 AM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
See this just confirms what I already knew. Women don't listen. Lol you keep telling me I should work out and I already said I do.
I actually wonder why you think working out or just existing, really, entitles you to a woman. Sorry, you're not entitled to a woman just because you're a nonviolent guy who works out. If you yourself don't think you are special than why should I as a woman think you are special enough to go out with? Dating someone necessarily involves isolating that which makes someone indistinguishable from the rest and committing yourself to that person for those unique traits and the opportunity for growth that can come as a result of your interaction with that person.
Also, are men also "special snowflakes" if they have an attraction to exoticism in women? Because we had a man in this thread confess an attraction to women with exotic features. I guess only men are entitled to find novelty attractive. Women with any sort of preferences are just being spoiled. Btw, I prefer my own accent and while I wouldn't call it having an aversion to foreigners, I definitely have overwhelmingly dated my own Canadian-born men. The only foreign accent I find remotely attractive is Aussie and that's because it's so subtle I can actually still understand them. Many British dialects and especially cockney and Welsh are way too harsh for me. And don't even get me started on southern accents and how ugly they are to me. I just picture some rodeo cowboy on food stamps with a white hood exiting a trailer. So much for "universal appeal." I don't know any women who find Southern accents attractive. IP: Logged |
Aquacheeka
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posted June 14, 2015 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by aquaguy91:
See this just confirms what I already knew. Women don't listen. Lol you keep telling me I should work out and I already said I do.
It is possible to work out and still be fat.
Fat people usually have to settle for fat people or face long periods of celibacy. That's life.
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Odette
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posted June 14, 2015 08:17 AM
Aquacheeka - I understand that you're getting frustrated about AG's views... but in these last two posts you're being too blunt in a way that could be genuinely hurtful.I'm sorry I brought up -working out- now. I didn't want people to attack him over this. Nvm IP: Logged |
aquaguy91
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From: Wankety Wankerson
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posted June 14, 2015 08:21 AM
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Originally posted by Aquacheeka:
It is possible to work out and still be fat.Fat people usually have to settle for fat people or face long periods of celibacy. That's life.
Talk about the sky calling the grass blue. I am over 6'3 and weigh 215 now. I have lost 25 pounds since December. How much do you weigh? IP: Logged |
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