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posted November 23, 2008 09:59 PM         

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ROFL - that made me LOL! And, of course, DDL would be playing the role of all the angels. And perfectly too.

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I know! God, if and when i meet that man i think that i'll go into cardiac arrest. Just too much beauty in one living, breathing being.

I'll scare him.

Do you view anyone that way?

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posted November 23, 2008 10:03 PM         

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So how do you get to know each other if you don't spend time together? Is it like this: you meet and it's instant - and absolutely mutual - and then the rest is just part of the course of unveiling mentally what you know to be true emotionally and spiritually - and even in that unveiling - it's now what you know about yourself that you reveal - but each other - so in effect you hold the keys to the soul of each other and then offer than to one another. You see him and he sees you and you then go about spending your lives showing those parts of each other to each other?

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No. I mean friends first. Aquaintances. Meet when amongst other people. But then the other people dissolve. Fade. Wither away. Blur. Spend time together that way. One-on-one, even if others are present. The connection is instant, but the longing builds. Then the momentum speeds up, and something causes a confession and then... just BE together. No question in either person's mind whether you know each other well enough. No, "Well can i come up to your apartment? Can i kiss you goodnight?" That's all B.S. I want to cut that out. Cut through the surface junk and get down to the meaningful.

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posted November 23, 2008 10:05 PM         

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Question - if you meet - then why can't you be together from the on-set - why do you have to be separated and then come together later?

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Being together without knowing someone would be like dating... you're still in the process. You're still uncertain. Unless, of course, there is that INSTANT bond.

What's your perfect date?

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posted November 23, 2008 10:07 PM         

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I find affection in possession. You find affection in inside jokes.

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I think you find security in possession.

I think that I find security in just the fact that the person is with me because I'm not forcing them to be there, they're there by their own will.

I think that one does come down to age or experience, rather than personality - well, both.

Someone like Jon Stewart would suit me. Because of the things he would say would just make me roar with laughter.

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posted November 23, 2008 10:13 PM         

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I think you find security in possession.

I think that I find security in just the fact that the person is with me because I'm not forcing them to be there, they're there by their own will.

I think that one does come down to age or experience, rather than personality - well, both.

Someone like Jon Stewart would suit me. Because of the things he would say would just make me roar with laughter.

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I find comfort in possession. Evidence of desire. Evidence of an emotional connection your partner is fearful of losing.

Perhaps that is because i'm young and naive and whatnot.

When i think of possession, i don't think of holding anyone against there will. I think of a quiet jealousy that stems from losing someone you love.

You find love in laughter because it's full fo good feelings. There's nothing nasty or hurtful about laughter. It signifies harmony. Compatability.

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posted November 23, 2008 10:14 PM         

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I know! God, if and when i meet that man i think that i'll go into cardiac arrest. Just too much beauty in one living, breathing being.

I'll scare him.

Do you view anyone that way?

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I don't know. I don't think I view anyone as being that beautiful. Maybe Christian. Where with RDJ I'm very aware that we're similar, with Christian there is this heightened awareness that he's man and I'm woman. I think Gerard Butler would make me nervous. I know I would be really nervous if I ever got the chance to meet George Lucas. He'd un-nerve me. I don't know. If I think of anyone else, I'll let you know.

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posted November 23, 2008 10:18 PM         

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Perfect date.

I think I pretty much said it before. Walking together talking - through the city at night - I love the city at night with all the lights - and just talking - stopping here and there - very spontaneous. I love tall buildings so an elevator ride to a roof top, maybe with a little spontaneous picnic or something like that - but essentially just the two of us talking, sharing ideas and laughing a whole lot. I like to learn everything about people so the more interesting life and perceptions would be good - make good conversation - there's nothing like it. Throw in a game or ten of pool and some video games and it's a great night. Maybe some ice cream along the way. Ten-pin bowling, a helicopter ride. Just don't be boring.

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posted November 23, 2008 10:19 PM         

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But i don't think i feel that way because i'm a fan. I don't view him in an idol/fan way. It's more of a person thing. I think he's beautiful as he is, not just as an actor.

Gerard Butler?? Really?!!?!? How would he make you nervous though, PA?

George Lucas- yes you've said this before. Huge fan??? Groupie even???

RDJ, yes, i see you more on an even playing field. Peers. Equal. Not that imbalance of putting-on-pedastal.

Christian, well... that's a wee bit different!

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posted November 23, 2008 10:27 PM         

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I find something really loving in laughter.

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posted November 23, 2008 10:31 PM         

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I find comfort in possession. Evidence of desire. Evidence of an emotional connection your partner is fearful of losing.

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I understand that. Totally. That their desire is the evidence of their absolute love for you and only you, and forever. That's one very big guarantee.

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posted November 23, 2008 10:42 PM         

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But i don't think i feel that way because i'm a fan. I don't view him in an idol/fan way. It's more of a person thing. I think he's beautiful as he is, not just as an actor.

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Yeah - I get that. It's everything about him. More than an actor - as a human being, and as a man. He has that affect upon you.

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Gerard Butler?? Really?!!?!? How would he make you nervous though, PA?

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I wouldn't know what to say to him. I don't think we'd have anything to talk about and that would be uncomfortable for me. Awkward.

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George Lucas- yes you've said this before. Huge fan??? Groupie even???

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A big big fan. I really admire and respect him. Enormously.

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RDJ, yes, i see you more on an even playing field. Peers. Equal. Not that imbalance of putting-on-pedastal.

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That's where Gerard would be awkward. He has this in your face sexuality about him. I thik that would throw me off balance because if I was to say something funny, he's the kind of person that would be up for the play - where I'm only a play with words - he's more, I think. I don't feel any sparks with him. The energy feels flat there - even genuinely combative. It would be very uncomfortable.

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Christian, well... that's a wee bit different!

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It would take a lot of energy and time to uncover Christian. Not possible during a quick meeting. There's a lifetime of work there. And I think he's hard hard work. He seems very very moody.

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posted November 23, 2008 10:44 PM         

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I have to go - time to get the kids from school. Thanks for the chat. As always. Only touching the surface, though, we are. Would love to go deeper with you. I think probably at the core we're very similar, similar desires.

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posted November 24, 2008 02:33 AM         

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Loving your Christian analysis. Let's have a picture to go with it.

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posted November 24, 2008 02:35 AM         

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Apparently my mother gave out a boyfriend warning along the same lines.

Some people are easy to live with, some aren't. I don't think I have the makings of an easy girlfriend, I wouldn't recommend it in general.

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posted November 24, 2008 03:52 AM         

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Do you consider yourself moody? Do you feel you relate to Christian? Or is it purely a physical attraction? I always think for you he has the whole "phwoar" factor.

I can just imagine him withdrawing into himself for hours and not speaking for days and I think that would be difficult to live with. Kind of having to be on egg shells some of the time. And that's just difficult and awkward. Not the makings of a happy environment. Provides for lack of communication.

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posted November 24, 2008 04:29 AM         

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I identify with his Plutonic/Scorpionic nature. We know he has a strong Sun/Pluto connection even if we are guessing at his Ascendant.

He probably has a brooding side. Do I? Yes, though most of the time I am quite perky with the odd snappy moment.

It's not really a 'phwoar' thing, though I wouldn't say no. It's more a 'I get you somehow' thing.

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posted November 24, 2008 04:35 AM         

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I want to get off my chest my irritation with comments on the astro-forum. I don't think it is ethical to take a cursory look at a chart and make sweeping statements about someone's marriage.

Particulary if you aren't an expert at either marriage or astrology.

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posted November 24, 2008 05:22 AM         

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Actually, you've handled yourself very well in that thread with some vital astrological points. But for the gossipmongers it won't be enough to sway because they will have made up their mind already by the title of the thread. The rest is in finding the "evidence" in the charts.

You have to question the intentions behind this thread. It's been sitting there all day without any replies. Then SS posted that first reply and I hoped it would just fade away.

Yes, well, the Astro forum is filled with people with no experience offering plenty of advice on love and relationships. As we've said before, no one wants practical advice. Or even, as it seems, sound astrological analysis. I think a lot of people just want to confirm what they have pre-determined they want to. Just throw in the word Saturn and some misrepresentations or alternative interpretations. It's not that hard to do. The moment I read "malefic", etc, I switch off. I think some placements are definitely more ideal or easier than others but I hate the whole idea of doom behind them. You make the most of what you've got. It's the same for everyone.

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posted November 24, 2008 06:34 AM         

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Well there's a little bit more now less tactful, because I think it is irresponsible to be handing out prejudiced advice that could harm people.

blue moon in mod mode.

No-one will take any notice of course, maybe argue I don't know what I'm talking about.

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posted November 24, 2008 06:36 AM         

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Precisely. And I think if I had genuine concerns like that and wanted to make a post to get some ideas from peoples' experiences with this, especially for signs, etc, I would post it in a different forum asking questions rather than posting charts. I really question the intention by the poster of that thread. I didn't like it the moment I read it this morning. Just something doesn't sit right with me about that, at all.

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posted November 24, 2008 06:43 AM         

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But if people want to post something and have someone leap up to confirm what they have decided, they will always find someone.

It's not great astrology, though.

It needs some AIR.

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posted November 24, 2008 06:48 AM         

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Everyone has some bias that is going to slip into their astrological work. But some imparitiality is necessary. It's not O.K to just leap up and say ~ yes, you're right, hang him high! It says so because Saturn is up Uranus!

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posted November 24, 2008 06:52 AM         

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jane quotes from your superb novel on the 'read a book and quote from it' thread.

Last have a picture from it to perk me up:

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posted November 24, 2008 06:55 AM         

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Well, that's it - they will always garner the support they desire. It's in the way the thread is stated. It's not impartial to begin with. And people being the supportive things they think they want to be will tell their fellow astrology lover that they are indeed correct to suspect because Saturn is up Uranus. It's the nature of the beast. Hang the man and find real evidence later. No matter what, he's guilty. And she now has the astro proof to present to her friend. However, what you said was right - practical. When the friend's ready - if ever - be there for her. But you can't force that. If she does it will backfire. The messenger will indeed get shot. Imagine too if she is wrong and he's not - and is genuinely working overtime to support his family because there is another baby on the way and as sole provider (I'm assuming), he'd be feeling the pressure. The messenger will surely be shot. If he's actually cheating, her friend will confront it when she is ready. She's got a baby inside of her and another in her arms, and that's a lot - enough - to deal with for now. And if she chooses to let it go - that's her choice and business too.

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posted November 24, 2008 07:21 AM         

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Marriages can hit problems if nosey-parkers interfere and start off rumours that aren't true.

Look at Othello and Desdemona.

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