posted November 17, 2010 06:41 PM            

ETA: Bush's was Mexico.

posted November 17, 2010 06:47 PM              

i don't have any trek with the illuminati stuff and i haven't mentioned them at all...though i have checked it out have you???...cos there is plenty of fact in those researches. to me it's irrelevant if they are blood sucking aliens or just plain humans who are so far removed from the rest of us that THEY DON"T EVEN CONSIDER OUR BEST INTERESTS" - they see it as "looking at the bigger picture". in the long run, they think, it will be best for everyone if they take care of business.

my point was WE have a ruling class and i repeat it's naive to think it isn't so. you may have edited your remark but you came across as personally believing the elementary school history lessons we all were fed. sorry if you think i came in too blunt but i find you to be INTENTIONALLY trying to diss me...and THAT is your problem darling.

posted November 17, 2010 06:56 PM            

The second you razzle-dazzle me with amazing secrets of the world, I'll be sure to give you credit.

Otherwise, you've done nothing more that parrot what other people have said for decades.

Again, whether or not you see me as naive and, what was it... oh, yeah, "insecure"... doesn't matter. I don't need to agree with you, or anyone for that matter...

I believe in the constitution of this country, and the premise of belief that all men are created equal, under God... if that's naive, so be it.

It seems to me that "The British Tea Group" here on Lindaland must maintain some sort of ownership over America, with streams of unvalidated information...

posted November 17, 2010 07:00 PM            

you called it the

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posted November 17, 2010 07:06 PM            

I think it's offensive to believe that aristocrats have more political influence over our country than the voters.

I don't know how ANYONE in America would be comfortable with knowing that.

In saying that, I know fully that it's possible that one of these conspiracy theories could be true... regardless of which one, I think they all lead to the same unfortunate outcome.

posted November 17, 2010 07:06 PM              

#2 i have been living thru those decades. i don't need to parrot anyone. you keep saying how wonderful and free we are and how unique our founding documents are, they are based on the british documents of same function. that doesn't mean anyone with power follows them - have you noticed strict adherence to the constitution in our halls of power? a contract is only as good as the intentions of those signing it...and those constrained by it too.

#3 i happen to agree with you that we all have inalienable rights as humans but not because the declaration of independence or constitution gave them to us. they are still there, but unless people realize we DO have an aristocracy right here in the USA, that we do NOT have the kind of government we are TRAINED to believe as kids, that freedom isn't worth much is it?

#4 lara is not asserting british superiority but acknowledging differences and therefore when you take offense at her doing that, you betray insecurity. just observing.

posted November 17, 2010 07:20 PM            

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posted November 17, 2010 07:22 PM              

i felt PS statement was naive. i feel it is naive to think our politics are not riddled with inside-gaming by the ruling class. reading history and watching it happen only corroborates that point of view.

englishmen can pull themselves up by their bootstraps too. that doesn't make them nobles. anyone read GONE WITH THE WIND? breeding is important to the upper classes. and certain things are "NOT DONE" in "polite" society. as a child i had a friend whose mother was a member of an "important" southern family. she was discouraged from hanging with me because my father MADE his money. nouveau riche, "people like that", etc. this is in america.

i don't have any love or reverence for the aristocracy OR the rothschilds. nor am i fooled that any old folk can study hard and get into the white house - unless it serves the "higher" purpose of those already running the game.

posted November 17, 2010 07:25 PM            

What we DO know ...

Earth = 1 + Chiron
Fire = 2
Water = 3
Air = 5

A lot of Air in her chart, more if she has Libra Asc (or Aquarius, or Gemini).

Sun in Capricorn
Moon in Cancer
Mercury in Aquarius
Venus in Aquarius
Mars in Libra
Jupiter in Scorpio
Saturn in Libra
Neptune in Sag
Uranus in Sag
Pluto in Libra
Node in Cancer

posted November 17, 2010 07:29 PM            

"I think it's offensive to believe that aristocrats have more political influence over our country than the voters."

Why is it offensive to believe it? I am more offended that it exists to an extent lol
We The People is a noble idea but look at the pageantry in the presidential races...the Bushes, Clintons, the Kennedies... How can it be denied that these don't have tremendous pull?

"I don't know how ANYONE in America would be comfortable with knowing that."

There are a lot of people who are uncomfortable knowing that. I think there is a lot which is kept from us. The media here is a joke. Everything is becoming more and more polarized. There's a lot we don't know.

"In saying that, I know fully that it's possible that one of these conspiracy theories could be true... regardless of which one, I think they all lead to the same unfortunate outcome."

What would that outcome be? I actually think one of the biggest problems with the US is that people are very security conscious and easily spooked and can't handle change very well. To me this makes us an easy target for fear-mongering. Aristrocracy is the least of our problems IMO, We The People are the ones who are always very hellbent on setting up a president who we adore and expect him to
MAKE EVERYTHING BETTER NOW, regardless of the past or everything else which is going on. In my eyes, the US people treat their presidents very much like royalty, with all that projection and expectation.

"Otherwise, the smallest hint of arrogance and superiority towards others is offensive to me... and, I refuse to have a nice conversation with someone who insults me at the gate, but, that's just me!"

posted November 17, 2010 07:36 PM              

another board i visit occasionally has a local dimwit who challenges every foreigner on their english and grammar as if they were erring due to stupidity. thus completely ignoring the content of the foreigner's post. it happens all over the web.

however you with your "British Tea Party" phrase-coining and repetition, are actually being much more arrogant than anyone here was toward you. again, sorry if you don't like me calling your earlier statement naive but EVEN YOU THOUGHT better of it.

posted November 17, 2010 07:49 PM            

I'm really into international history/politics & have read/researched tons on the subject. Infact, I'm working on screenplays regarding some of the issues.

I agree with Lara, even though she might come off abrasive & most dont want to hear it....

CHINA OWNS AMERICA, for MANY reasons. One (yes only ONE of tons) of the most obvious being the fact during Bill Clinton's presidency, he secretly sold America's biggest ports to China (why?). It's out in the open now, but how many Americans know?? or care about politics to know whomever controls your ports, controls you. Does your average American even bother to ask why he did it?? what's the motive?...and YET, why is Hilary Clinton (who's in on it too), always campaigning against/bashing China to the media?? (why?) Why are they always bringing up Tibet?? what's the true motive??
Your average American doesnt even know or understand CENTURIES of history between China/Tibet...but is so quick to jump on the Free Tibet bandwagon cuz the US MEDIA tells them to (why?). Notice the media only reports history going back 50-100 years at most? (WHY?)
OK forget China...how many Americans can even explain to you in full detail the war on Terrorism? Most think it just started yesterday (9-11)...sorry but it goes back at least a century.
Why is Columbia so screwed up by drug trafficking?? (why?)...that's right, thanks to America.
What about, "lil brother Canada?" In few (or under) decades America will be begging Canada for......(why?)
How did China escape the terrible fate America enforced upon the middle east/columbia/rest of the world? They shut their doors to the world until 1975, ironically Communism saved China.

My point is, Americans know nothing about the world. They're only obsessed with Hollywood, celebrities & dumb reality shows like "Jersey Shore."
Just knowing current political issues isnt even enough, because HISTORY is politics. Americans are only into their own politics at most. Problem with that, the World nowadays runs as a global village. Each country affects the other, unlike 150 years ago. Not only that, American media is VERY biased & controlled...it's like "democratic-communism." Actually same with Japanese Media, which is why Japan's going down along with America in the same sinking boat. Doesnt anyone think it's strange & ridiculous people will only vote when celebs/media is telling them who to vote for? Not slamming Obama, cuz frankly it wouldnt even matter who won the presidency (why?). When kids are educated on Jersey Shore/Paris Hilton & then being told by them who to vote for,...you've got problems of epic proportions.

Now briefly back to their super controlled, biased media like CNN. If you've ever lived anywhere in the commonwealth, you'll definitely notice it. Even meaningless things like the Olympics...you'll notice American networks "mostly," only broadcast their own country's athletes, whereas in other countries, they broadcast every other country's athletes too. Based on this simple example...This is why (if you travel a lot), you'll notice your "average joe," in the Commonwealth knows much more about the world than your average American.

This is why I'm a religious follower of MSNBC, CNN, BBC, CTV, Israeli, Japanese, Chinese news. I like to be informed from every angle possible & then pick out what I think is biased.

Sadly, America has nobody to blame but itself (and WHY?!). So many Q's/why's and yet most dont care to find out. WHY? because your average American is born into having the mentality they're invincible & rule the world as if it's 50-100 years ago....
You live in the past, you get stuck in the past. Once again, controlling instead of re-structuring.

I do agree with one thing,...Jews own Hollywood. =)

posted November 17, 2010 07:56 PM            

BUT THAT IS NOT WHAT LARA WAS SAYING. AT ALL. Lara is saying that THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND (Her Majesty, Elizabeth II) owns America. Not financially.

And does your average Brit or Canadian or French person know anything about Chinese history either?? Ignorance is not just an American problem. Just like RACISM is not just an American problem.

And I consider myself a well informed American, thanks.

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posted November 17, 2010 07:59 PM              

i didn't know that about the american ports...but i do know that clinton WENT ALONG and signed us into the free trade agreement that makes our immigration solutions difficult to say the LEAST.

and the way the power elite operate hasn't changed much in centuries. makes you wonder about those "mad" rulers...were they really? or were they just reacting to a crazy situation there was no way out of?

ALL COUNTRIES WHO SEEK TO EXPAND INTO IMPERIALISM EVENTUALLY OVERSTRETCH THEMSELVES AND FALL PREY TO THOSE WHO RESENT THAT OVERREACH...

anyway back to kate and william...

i find diana's engagement ring to be a gift of many meanings. i wonder how much william knows? does he believe his mother died accidentally?

if you were in his shoes and knew otherwise, what would you do? personally, i would feel a little worried to be wearing the ring of someone who died in such questionable circumstances. i hope kate gets through with her head and heart intact. playing with royalty is not all that much fun!